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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Jasper Potts <Ja...@jasperpotts.com> on 2001/06/08 12:35:07 UTC
Using the Apache Licence
I am starting a new open source project and would like to use the apache
licence for two reasons: the ability to use the code in commercial projects
and in the hope that one day it may get accepted as a Jakarta project. I
have a couple of questions as to how to apply the licence:
Does the full licence have to be included at the top of each file or can it
be included in the distribution with a smaller include at the top, like GPL?
/***************************************************************************
******
*
* xxxxx
*
* Copyright (C) xxxxxxxx
*
* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
* modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
* as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
* of the License, or any later version.
*
* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
* but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
* MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
* GNU General Public License for more details.
*
* You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
* along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
* Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307,
USA.
*
****************************************************************************
*****/
Also can/how do you use you own copyright with that apache licence. All
examples I have looked at are copyright "Apache Software Foundation"? Is it
frowned upon to want to retain the copyright?
Is the header below OK ????
/***************************************************************************
******
*
* @project name@
*
* Copyright (C) 2001 Jasper Potts
*
* This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
* modify it under the terms of the Apache Software License
* as published by the Apache Software Foundation; either version 1.1
* of the License, or any later version.
*
* This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
* but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
* MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
* Apache Software License for more details.
*
* You should have received a copy of the Apache Software License
* along with this program; if not, it can be obtained from
* http://www.apache.org/.
*
****************************************************************************
*****/
Many Thanks
Jasper Potts
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
At 11:35 AM 6/8/01 +0100, Jasper Potts wrote:
>I am starting a new open source project and would like to use the apache
>licence for two reasons: the ability to use the code in commercial projects
>and in the hope that one day it may get accepted as a Jakarta project. I
>have a couple of questions as to how to apply the licence:
>
>Does the full licence have to be included at the top of each file or can it
>be included in the distribution with a smaller include at the top, like GPL?
Both are equally binding, however only a few projects that I know of use
the short form are Avalon+James+Cocoon so YMMV.
>Also can/how do you use you own copyright with that apache licence. All
>examples I have looked at are copyright "Apache Software Foundation"?
As far I am aware the license itself is not copyrighted so you can simply
modify it to suit your needs.
>Is it frowned upon to want to retain the copyright?
If it is not an Apache project then you should keep copyright.
Cheers,
Pete
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by giacomo <gi...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Pier P. Fumagalli wrote:
> Yeeeeaahhhh... That's where it was :) Yep, zap it :)
Slowly. I have not heared from licensing@apache.org that this will be
illegal yet (or have I missed it?).
Giacomo
>
> Pier
>
> Michel Lehon at Michel.Lehon@Outwares.com wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just saw this message hop through Tomcat-Dev...
> > A quick look at the brand new Beta 1 of Cocoon2 show lots of files with this
> > "short" "illegal" license.
> > These might be the "souvenir" of Pier :).
> >
> > Michel.
> >
> > PS: I did not check anything besides C2.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, 08 June, 2001 23:21
> >> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Using the Apache Licence
> >>
> >>
> >> on 6/8/01 10:56 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You're on the licensing list, and know better than me, but I remember
> >>> committing something with headers like
> >>>
> >>> /***********************************************************************
> >>> * (C) xxxx,xxxx The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. *
> >>> * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
> >>> * This software is distributed under the terms of the Apache Software *
> >>> * License version x.x a copy of which can be found in the LICENSE.txt *
> >>> * file included in this distribution. *
> >>> ***********************************************************************/
> >>>
> >>> Should I go back and change it?
> >>>
> >>> Pier
> >>
> >> Yes. That license is not legally approved, it is something you made up.
> >>
> >> If it was legally approved, you would have seen it available on
> >> the Jakarta
> >> website or on the main Apache.org site.
> >>
> >> Legal stuff sucks.
> >>
> >> -jon
> >>
> >> --
> >> "Open source is not available to commercial companies."
> >> -Steve Balmer, CEO Microsoft
> >> <http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html>
> >>
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Yeeeeaahhhh... That's where it was :) Yep, zap it :)
Pier
Michel Lehon at Michel.Lehon@Outwares.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just saw this message hop through Tomcat-Dev...
> A quick look at the brand new Beta 1 of Cocoon2 show lots of files with this
> "short" "illegal" license.
> These might be the "souvenir" of Pier :).
>
> Michel.
>
> PS: I did not check anything besides C2.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 08 June, 2001 23:21
>> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Using the Apache Licence
>>
>>
>> on 6/8/01 10:56 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
>>
>>> You're on the licensing list, and know better than me, but I remember
>>> committing something with headers like
>>>
>>> /***********************************************************************
>>> * (C) xxxx,xxxx The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. *
>>> * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
>>> * This software is distributed under the terms of the Apache Software *
>>> * License version x.x a copy of which can be found in the LICENSE.txt *
>>> * file included in this distribution. *
>>> ***********************************************************************/
>>>
>>> Should I go back and change it?
>>>
>>> Pier
>>
>> Yes. That license is not legally approved, it is something you made up.
>>
>> If it was legally approved, you would have seen it available on
>> the Jakarta
>> website or on the main Apache.org site.
>>
>> Legal stuff sucks.
>>
>> -jon
>>
>> --
>> "Open source is not available to commercial companies."
>> -Steve Balmer, CEO Microsoft
>> <http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html>
>>
>>
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RE: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by Michel Lehon <Mi...@Outwares.com>.
Hi,
I just saw this message hop through Tomcat-Dev...
A quick look at the brand new Beta 1 of Cocoon2 show lots of files with this
"short" "illegal" license.
These might be the "souvenir" of Pier :).
Michel.
PS: I did not check anything besides C2.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
> Sent: Friday, 08 June, 2001 23:21
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Using the Apache Licence
>
>
> on 6/8/01 10:56 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
>
> > You're on the licensing list, and know better than me, but I remember
> > committing something with headers like
> >
> > /***********************************************************************
> > * (C) xxxx,xxxx The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. *
> > * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
> > * This software is distributed under the terms of the Apache Software *
> > * License version x.x a copy of which can be found in the LICENSE.txt *
> > * file included in this distribution. *
> > ***********************************************************************/
> >
> > Should I go back and change it?
> >
> > Pier
>
> Yes. That license is not legally approved, it is something you made up.
>
> If it was legally approved, you would have seen it available on
> the Jakarta
> website or on the main Apache.org site.
>
> Legal stuff sucks.
>
> -jon
>
> --
> "Open source is not available to commercial companies."
> -Steve Balmer, CEO Microsoft
> <http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html>
>
>
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Jon Stevens at jon@latchkey.com wrote:
> on 6/8/01 10:56 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
>
>> You're on the licensing list, and know better than me, but I remember
>> committing something with headers like
>>
>> /***********************************************************************
>> * (C) xxxx,xxxx The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. *
>> * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
>> * This software is distributed under the terms of the Apache Software *
>> * License version x.x a copy of which can be found in the LICENSE.txt *
>> * file included in this distribution. *
>> ***********************************************************************/
>>
>> Should I go back and change it?
>>
>> Pier
>
> Yes. That license is not legally approved, it is something you made up.
>
> If it was legally approved, you would have seen it available on the Jakarta
> website or on the main Apache.org site.
>
> Legal stuff sucks.
Gone checking some files :) :) :) Thanks...
Pier
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 6/8/01 10:56 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
> You're on the licensing list, and know better than me, but I remember
> committing something with headers like
>
> /***********************************************************************
> * (C) xxxx,xxxx The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. *
> * ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
> * This software is distributed under the terms of the Apache Software *
> * License version x.x a copy of which can be found in the LICENSE.txt *
> * file included in this distribution. *
> ***********************************************************************/
>
> Should I go back and change it?
>
> Pier
Yes. That license is not legally approved, it is something you made up.
If it was legally approved, you would have seen it available on the Jakarta
website or on the main Apache.org site.
Legal stuff sucks.
-jon
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-Steve Balmer, CEO Microsoft
<http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html>
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Jon Stevens at jon@latchkey.com wrote:
> on 6/8/01 6:52 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
>
>> Jasper Potts at Jasper@jasperpotts.com wrote:
>>
>>> I am starting a new open source project and would like to use the apache
>>> licence for two reasons: the ability to use the code in commercial projects
>>> and in the hope that one day it may get accepted as a Jakarta project. I
>>> have a couple of questions as to how to apply the licence:
>>>
>>> Does the full licence have to be included at the top of each file or can it
>>> be included in the distribution with a smaller include at the top, like GPL?
>>
>> Some of us quote it entirely, some of us use the small quote, it really
>> depends. Usually we quote it entirely, but that can be changed easily if
>> wanted..
>>
>> Pier
>
> The full quoted license is currently the only way to do it "officially" by
> the ASF and have it be legal.
>
> Having a shorter license for people to use in source files is part of the
> requirements for the next license revision.
You're on the licensing list, and know better than me, but I remember
committing something with headers like
/***********************************************************************
* (C) xxxx,xxxx The Apache Software Foundation. All rights reserved. *
* ------------------------------------------------------------------- *
* This software is distributed under the terms of the Apache Software *
* License version x.x a copy of which can be found in the LICENSE.txt *
* file included in this distribution. *
***********************************************************************/
Should I go back and change it?
Pier
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 6/8/01 6:52 AM, "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org> wrote:
> Jasper Potts at Jasper@jasperpotts.com wrote:
>
>> I am starting a new open source project and would like to use the apache
>> licence for two reasons: the ability to use the code in commercial projects
>> and in the hope that one day it may get accepted as a Jakarta project. I
>> have a couple of questions as to how to apply the licence:
>>
>> Does the full licence have to be included at the top of each file or can it
>> be included in the distribution with a smaller include at the top, like GPL?
>
> Some of us quote it entirely, some of us use the small quote, it really
> depends. Usually we quote it entirely, but that can be changed easily if
> wanted..
>
> Pier
The full quoted license is currently the only way to do it "officially" by
the ASF and have it be legal.
Having a shorter license for people to use in source files is part of the
requirements for the next license revision.
-jon
--
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-Steve Balmer, CEO Microsoft
<http://www.suntimes.com/output/tech/cst-fin-micro01.html>
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Re: Using the Apache Licence
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>.
Jasper Potts at Jasper@jasperpotts.com wrote:
> I am starting a new open source project and would like to use the apache
> licence for two reasons: the ability to use the code in commercial projects
> and in the hope that one day it may get accepted as a Jakarta project. I
> have a couple of questions as to how to apply the licence:
>
> Does the full licence have to be included at the top of each file or can it
> be included in the distribution with a smaller include at the top, like GPL?
Some of us quote it entirely, some of us use the small quote, it really
depends. Usually we quote it entirely, but that can be changed easily if
wanted..
Pier
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