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Posted to docs@httpd.apache.org by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> on 2007/08/09 13:24:15 UTC
Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Ok,
First of all I am not on your case, but I was concerned that this would
lead to a flame war on the wiki again through the edit comments. The
reason I removed the links is because your last account was banned and
deleted.
However, let me apologise for jumping the gun this morning, I was rather
hoping to prevent either others doing what I had done, but in a rather
more inflammatory way, or to prevent a flame war. It would seem that
the inverse has happened.
So if you want to re-add your links, I will happily revert my change, so
other people within the docs community, and/or the HTTPD community as a
whole can decide whether to allow or not allow those links. Because if
I recall correctly the consensus was that parts of the material on
AskApache.com was misleading or confusing at best. I am unsure if time
may have changed those opinions, but I am happy to see what happens.
I have CC'd this mail to the docs@ mailing list so that a decision can
be reached, hopefully with everyones best interests intact.
We would be very happy for you ton contribute to the wiki, but you have
to accept that these will be reviewed by your peers, and may well be
edited. Your htaccess material in the past has not conformed to what is
considered to be best practice methods and if they are published on the
wiki they may well be altered.
Regards,
Tony
Webmaster wrote:
> Its a new user page for my new user. I believe I am following the policies
> and guidelines to the letter. And the meta tag stuff was just me reading
> about the wiki software and testing stuff out. Obviously you are aware that
> userpages are NOT indexed by search engines.. view the source code.
>
> I just realized this morning that my AskApache username was deleted and my
> old userpage deleted. So I viewed the history and copied the code, created
> a new user (I plan on contributing to the wiki minus external links), and
> got myself up and running.
>
> Seriously man why are you on my case? Its a user page and search engines
> don't even look at it. I added a link to my blog and my forum on my user
> page, just like everyone else. Edit my page and I'm taking it to the head
> honchos to put a stop to this childishness before you cause another
> flamewar.
>
> I'm just trying to contribute to the wiki and its my userpage with links to
> my homepages for crying out loud.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:pctony@apache.org]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:11 AM
>> To: webmaster@askapache.com
>> Subject: Your HTTPD wiki page
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am just sending you an email to tell you that I plan to
>> edit your home page.
>>
>> You have created a new page, and added links to your site,
>> and the htaccesslite site again. We expressly asked you not
>> to add those again last time.
>>
>> I will also remove the meta type tags you have added that
>> would appear to be aimed at being getting your name higher
>> rankings in search crawls.
>>
>> If you have any issues then please either email me, or email
>> the docs@httpd.apache.org mailing list. We are the people
>> who maintain the wiki, and last time asked you not to use these links.
>>
>> Your last homepage was deleted after your account was banned.
>> It would appear that you are either trying to get around
>> that ban, or did not see our last emails to you, where we
>> asked you to not use them.
>>
>>
>> --Tony
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@apache.org>.
We do not allow anyone to use the Apache name in a way that might
lead to confusion of consumers (i.e., directly associating with
our project, as opposed to any of the other uses of the Apache name).
As such, I will delete any wiki account name containing "Apache" and
any link to an outside site that is trying to associate itself with
our projects by using the Apache name without prior written permission.
That fact is independent of any other discussion about whether a
specific individual can edit our wiki.
....Roy T. Fielding (speaking with hat of V.P., Apache HTTP Server)
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Nóirín Plunkett <no...@apache.org>.
> That was the plan, First I wanted to create a user page for myself so that
> there wouldn't be any confusion as to who MrApache was. I still would like
> to know where it says we aren't allowed to link to our homepages on our
> userpages. Anyway so just a couple hours after I created my mrapache user
> page it was jumped all over and erased. MY plan was to just start quietly
> contributing to the wiki and never post external links to any site ever.
Being fair to Vincent, you haven't got the best track record in this
community. He made a mistake jumping on you so quickly, but it's an
understandable mistake. He's apologised for it, now let's move on.
> The point is apache is open source and open to all, and wiki's were made so
> that many people could collaborate. It doesn't have to be 100% perfect the
> first time every time, thats why there are editing/reverting/history/etc..
> features..
Apache *is* open source - but our community, and contributions, are a
meritocracy. You do good work under supervision, and build up trust,
before you're allowed just throw in your 2c without having someone
else check it over first.
You lost our trust a while back - by using a WikiName that could be
misleading, and by posting links to content we felt wasn't great, in a
way that we couldn't alter/improve the content.
Joshua asked you to do a couple of things - http://url.ie/520
If you're really interested in collaborating, please can you start with those?
If you've already mailed the list with a summary of the wiki
guidelines, and confirmation that you understand and will abide by
them, please just point us to the relevant mail in the mail archives.
I know you've changed your userID, but your new one doesn't actually
address the issue raised (you also neglected to let us know in advance
what userID you were planning on using) - so it would be helpful to
building trust and community if you could do as Joshua has asked.
The Apache Software Foundation is built on community before code - so
if you're not willing to work with our community, it doesn't matter if
your technical contributions are absolutely world class, you don't
earn merit here.
Looking forward to a positive response,
Noirin
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Webmaster wrote:
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vincent Bray [mailto:noodlet@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:18 AM
>> To: Webmaster
>> Cc: Francois Gingras; docs@httpd.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
>>
>> If you'd made an attempt to provide some useful information
>> on our wiki this time rather than ignoring guidelines by
>> reverting the deletion of your link farm I might have reacted
>> differently.
>
>
> That was the plan, First I wanted to create a user page for myself so that
> there wouldn't be any confusion as to who MrApache was.
As you read from Roy, you won't be MrApache, AskApache, or ApacheGod.
Nor will anyone else, please don't feel singled out.
Secondly; create a user page for yourself after you have added sufficient
content and contribution -to- the wiki. Otherwise, it's self promotion.
That's essentially why others have found your wiki-abuse so intollerable.
> I still would like to know where it says we aren't allowed to link to
> our homepages on our userpages.
The wiki exists for the PROJECT's benefit. Not for yours. Find another
platform for self promotion.
Since the registrants of askapache.com (yourself) did not obtain permission
to misuse the Apache mark, no link to that domain will be permitted, nor
one click removed.
Register helpredcross.com and you will be treated similarly by another
organization. Once again, this isn't personal, just generically offensive.
> Anyway so just a couple hours after I created my mrapache user
> page it was jumped all over and erased. MY plan was to just start quietly
> contributing to the wiki and never post external links to any site ever.
Well, you posted one on your first commit. Problem solved, the community
at docs@ who will review your contributions and give you leave to post them
to the wiki will also determine when you have enough merit to add a userpage.
> The point is apache is open source and open to all, and wiki's were made so
> that many people could collaborate. It doesn't have to be 100% perfect the
> first time every time, thats why there are editing/reverting/history/etc..
> features..
Right, as long as you respect when the moderators edit/revert. When they
do so, you don't undo a moderator's edits, or you lose your karma.
You have a horrible track record in that respect, and you aren't winning
friends by abusing wiki editing privileges. This is *not* the public's
wiki, it is the Apache httpd Project's wiki. Participate *with* the
project (this list) or depart already.
Bill
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RE: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Webmaster <we...@askapache.com>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Bray [mailto:noodlet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 6:18 AM
> To: Webmaster
> Cc: Francois Gingras; docs@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
>
> If you'd made an attempt to provide some useful information
> on our wiki this time rather than ignoring guidelines by
> reverting the deletion of your link farm I might have reacted
> differently.
That was the plan, First I wanted to create a user page for myself so that
there wouldn't be any confusion as to who MrApache was. I still would like
to know where it says we aren't allowed to link to our homepages on our
userpages. Anyway so just a couple hours after I created my mrapache user
page it was jumped all over and erased. MY plan was to just start quietly
contributing to the wiki and never post external links to any site ever.
The point is apache is open source and open to all, and wiki's were made so
that many people could collaborate. It doesn't have to be 100% perfect the
first time every time, thats why there are editing/reverting/history/etc..
features..
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Vincent Bray <no...@gmail.com>.
On 13/08/07, Webmaster <we...@askapache.com> wrote:
> noodl,
>
> Your comments (below) and edits to my userpages
> (http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/AskApache
> http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/MrApache)
> are pointedly innappropriate and frankly very mean-spirited! I thought that
Yes, I regret the tone of that email I sent you in private.
> we were allowed to link to our homepages (http://www.askapache.com
> http://www.htaccesselite.com) on our user pages, as I notice most
> contributors do. I want to and am allowed to contribute to the httpd wiki
> and I have something to contribute. Besides your suggestion that I leave
> forever as I'm not wanted, do you or anyone else have a suggestion as to how
> I can participate on the wiki?
There you go again, not understanding the meaning of 'banned'.
It is very clear that your only interest in our wiki is increasing
traffic to your own site. The fact is that your site is dedicated to
making money through spurious 'SEO' practices. You have been banned
from wikipedia, here, and have caused a fuss on your own service
provider's wiki (DreamHost) by attempting further self-promotion.
If you'd made an attempt to provide some useful information on our
wiki this time rather than ignoring guidelines by reverting the
deletion of your link farm I might have reacted differently.
So I'll repeat what I said in private. I don't think you should be
allowed to make edits to our wiki. If you really have something useful
to add, then please post it to this list first for consideration.
--
noodl
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RE: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Webmaster <we...@askapache.com>.
noodl,
Your comments (below) and edits to my userpages (
<http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/AskApache>
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/AskApache
<http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/MrApache>
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/MrApache) are pointedly innappropriate and
frankly very mean-spirited! I thought that we were allowed to link to our
homepages ( <http://www.askapache.com/> http://www.askapache.com
<http://www.htaccesselite.com/> http://www.htaccesselite.com) on our user
pages, as I notice most contributors do. I want to and am allowed to
contribute to the httpd wiki and I have something to contribute. Besides
your suggestion that I leave forever as I'm not wanted, do you or anyone
else have a suggestion as to how I can participate on the wiki?
-AskApache
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vincent Bray [ <ma...@gmail.com> mailto:noodlet@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:39 AM
> To: webmaster@askapache.com
> Subject: Your persistent wiki edits
>
> Hi,
>
> What part of being banned don't you understand? We (the httpd-docs
> contributors) have wasted enough time on you already. I
> deleted your askapache personal page, precisely because you
> were banned, and because it contains links to your site which
> is in violation of the apache name, and contains largely
> spurious information.
>
> I would ask you kindly not to make any more edits to the
> wiki, but you won't listen, which is partly why you're not welcome.
>
> --
> noodl
_____
From: Francois Gingras [mailto:francois.gingras@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 9:13 AM
To: docs@httpd.apache.org
Cc: Webmaster
Subject: Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
First off, I do agree that introducing a variety of content on the wiki is a
great advantage to the end users and administrators that will visit it.
However, some content, as pointed out by Tony, is highly misleading at
times. This AskApache fellow proved it numerous times, especially with the
overuse of htaccess over editing the configuration files directly. The goal
of this exercise is perhaps to extract the most useful tips outlined at
askapache.com or any other resources, and summarise them on the wiki. Also,
peer reviews go a long way here, especially with all the talent that looks
at this list.
I'm not totally opposed to linking to external sites in articles, albeit it
does distract the reader in some way. An article should be concise and
self-contained, ideally.
In that light, I agree that we should perhaps give askapache/mrapache
another chance, and let him try to provide useful content to the wiki.
On 8/9/07, Todd Conley <tc...@gmail.com> wrote:
AFAIK the wiki, as I've seen and used it, is a collection of articles,
contributed by various folks, and generally contains everything you'd need
to find on the subject, right there in the wiki article. Does anyone link to
other sites with articles/advertisements? What's the policy on this?
obivously the official links are going to apache websites, and i'm sure that
there are revenue generating features on some of those links, or portions of
those sites. Can we create a user-contributed link section where it's clear
that pages linked (and SUMMARIZED) on the wiki are just that.... links that
you can choose to use however you want? There is some helpful stuff at
askapache, and I've never visited it before, so I'm not partial to it by any
means. it would be nice to have a repository of all "resources" out there
for apache, from enthusiasts, experts, and even beginners that are just
making their first tutorials based on their experiences with apache.
-Todd
On 8/9/07, Tony Stevenson <pctony@apache.org > wrote:
Ok,
First of all I am not on your case, but I was concerned that this would
lead to a flame war on the wiki again through the edit comments. The
reason I removed the links is because your last account was banned and
deleted.
However, let me apologise for jumping the gun this morning, I was rather
hoping to prevent either others doing what I had done, but in a rather
more inflammatory way, or to prevent a flame war. It would seem that
the inverse has happened.
So if you want to re-add your links, I will happily revert my change, so
other people within the docs community, and/or the HTTPD community as a
whole can decide whether to allow or not allow those links. Because if
I recall correctly the consensus was that parts of the material on
AskApache.com was misleading or confusing at best. I am unsure if time
may have changed those opinions, but I am happy to see what happens.
I have CC'd this mail to the docs@ mailing list so that a decision can
be reached, hopefully with everyones best interests intact.
We would be very happy for you ton contribute to the wiki, but you have
to accept that these will be reviewed by your peers, and may well be
edited. Your htaccess material in the past has not conformed to what is
considered to be best practice methods and if they are published on the
wiki they may well be altered.
Regards,
Tony
Webmaster wrote:
> Its a new user page for my new user. I believe I am following the
policies
> and guidelines to the letter. And the meta tag stuff was just me reading
> about the wiki software and testing stuff out. Obviously you are aware
that
> userpages are NOT indexed by search engines.. view the source code.
>
> I just realized this morning that my AskApache username was deleted and my
> old userpage deleted. So I viewed the history and copied the code,
created
> a new user (I plan on contributing to the wiki minus external links), and
> got myself up and running.
>
> Seriously man why are you on my case? Its a user page and search engines
> don't even look at it. I added a link to my blog and my forum on my user
> page, just like everyone else. Edit my page and I'm taking it to the
head
> honchos to put a stop to this childishness before you cause another
> flamewar.
>
> I'm just trying to contribute to the wiki and its my userpage with links
to
> my homepages for crying out loud.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:pctony@apache.org
<ma...@apache.org> ]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:11 AM
>> To: webmaster@askapache.com
>> Subject: Your HTTPD wiki page
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am just sending you an email to tell you that I plan to
>> edit your home page.
>>
>> You have created a new page, and added links to your site,
>> and the htaccesslite site again. We expressly asked you not
>> to add those again last time.
>>
>> I will also remove the meta type tags you have added that
>> would appear to be aimed at being getting your name higher
>> rankings in search crawls.
>>
>> If you have any issues then please either email me, or email
>> the docs@httpd.apache.org mailing list. We are the people
>> who maintain the wiki, and last time asked you not to use these links.
>>
>> Your last homepage was deleted after your account was banned.
>> It would appear that you are either trying to get around
>> that ban, or did not see our last emails to you, where we
>> asked you to not use them.
>>
>>
>> --Tony
>
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Francois Gingras <fr...@gmail.com>.
First off, I do agree that introducing a variety of content on the wiki is a
great advantage to the end users and administrators that will visit it.
However, some content, as pointed out by Tony, is highly misleading at
times. This AskApache fellow proved it numerous times, especially with the
overuse of htaccess over editing the configuration files directly. The goal
of this exercise is perhaps to extract the most useful tips outlined at
askapache.com or any other resources, and summarise them on the wiki. Also,
peer reviews go a long way here, especially with all the talent that looks
at this list.
I'm not totally opposed to linking to external sites in articles, albeit it
does distract the reader in some way. An article should be concise and
self-contained, ideally.
In that light, I agree that we should perhaps give askapache/mrapache
another chance, and let him try to provide useful content to the wiki.
On 8/9/07, Todd Conley <tc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> AFAIK the wiki, as I've seen and used it, is a collection of articles,
> contributed by various folks, and generally contains everything you'd need
> to find on the subject, right there in the wiki article. Does anyone link to
> other sites with articles/advertisements? What's the policy on this?
> obivously the official links are going to apache websites, and i'm sure that
> there are revenue generating features on some of those links, or portions of
> those sites. Can we create a user-contributed link section where it's clear
> that pages linked (and SUMMARIZED) on the wiki are just that.... links that
> you can choose to use however you want? There is some helpful stuff at
> askapache, and I've never visited it before, so I'm not partial to it by any
> means. it would be nice to have a repository of all "resources" out there
> for apache, from enthusiasts, experts, and even beginners that are just
> making their first tutorials based on their experiences with apache.
>
> -Todd
>
>
> On 8/9/07, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ok,
> >
> > First of all I am not on your case, but I was concerned that this would
> > lead to a flame war on the wiki again through the edit comments. The
> > reason I removed the links is because your last account was banned and
> > deleted.
> >
> > However, let me apologise for jumping the gun this morning, I was rather
> > hoping to prevent either others doing what I had done, but in a rather
> > more inflammatory way, or to prevent a flame war. It would seem that
> > the inverse has happened.
> >
> > So if you want to re-add your links, I will happily revert my change, so
> > other people within the docs community, and/or the HTTPD community as a
> > whole can decide whether to allow or not allow those links. Because if
> > I recall correctly the consensus was that parts of the material on
> > AskApache.com was misleading or confusing at best. I am unsure if time
> > may have changed those opinions, but I am happy to see what happens.
> >
> > I have CC'd this mail to the docs@ mailing list so that a decision can
> > be reached, hopefully with everyones best interests intact.
> >
> > We would be very happy for you ton contribute to the wiki, but you have
> > to accept that these will be reviewed by your peers, and may well be
> > edited. Your htaccess material in the past has not conformed to what is
> > considered to be best practice methods and if they are published on the
> > wiki they may well be altered.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Webmaster wrote:
> > > Its a new user page for my new user. I believe I am following the
> > policies
> > > and guidelines to the letter. And the meta tag stuff was just me
> > reading
> > > about the wiki software and testing stuff out. Obviously you are
> > aware that
> > > userpages are NOT indexed by search engines.. view the source code.
> > >
> > > I just realized this morning that my AskApache username was deleted
> > and my
> > > old userpage deleted. So I viewed the history and copied the code,
> > created
> > > a new user (I plan on contributing to the wiki minus external links),
> > and
> > > got myself up and running.
> > >
> > > Seriously man why are you on my case? Its a user page and search
> > engines
> > > don't even look at it. I added a link to my blog and my forum on my
> > user
> > > page, just like everyone else. Edit my page and I'm taking it to the
> > head
> > > honchos to put a stop to this childishness before you cause another
> > > flamewar.
> > >
> > > I'm just trying to contribute to the wiki and its my userpage with
> > links to
> > > my homepages for crying out loud.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:pctony@apache.org]
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:11 AM
> > >> To: webmaster@askapache.com
> > >> Subject: Your HTTPD wiki page
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I am just sending you an email to tell you that I plan to
> > >> edit your home page.
> > >>
> > >> You have created a new page, and added links to your site,
> > >> and the htaccesslite site again. We expressly asked you not
> > >> to add those again last time.
> > >>
> > >> I will also remove the meta type tags you have added that
> > >> would appear to be aimed at being getting your name higher
> > >> rankings in search crawls.
> > >>
> > >> If you have any issues then please either email me, or email
> > >> the docs@httpd.apache.org mailing list. We are the people
> > >> who maintain the wiki, and last time asked you not to use these
> > links.
> > >>
> > >> Your last homepage was deleted after your account was banned.
> > >> It would appear that you are either trying to get around
> > >> that ban, or did not see our last emails to you, where we
> > >> asked you to not use them.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --Tony
> > >
> >
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On Aug 9, 2007, at 10:09, Jorge Schrauwen wrote:
> Taken from http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Contributing
>
> External links are acceptable if they add substantial value, but do
> not link to your own site or otherwise seek private benefits from
> external links.
>
> So I guess thats the policy
The 'add substantial value' thing is intentionally open to
interpretation. We, the documentation team, need to be at liberty to
determine when a particular site offers substantial value, and when
it promotes practices that we believe are a bad idea, are harmful to
security or performance, or are just in opposition to things that we
recommend in the documentation.
For many years, I would contact people who had recommendations on
their website that I considered worst practice - things like "chmod
everything 777", using <Limit GET POST> blocks for authentication,
and the like. After a while I grew weary of this, and hardly ever do
it any more. It's an endless crusade. But we can draw the line at
linking to sites of that kind, and offering implied endorsement of
their recommendations.
I'm far less concerned about the financial gain from these sites,
except when people are adding links to our site for that sole purpose.
--
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where it often substitutes for both.
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Jorge Schrauwen <jo...@gmail.com>.
Taken from http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Contributing
External links are acceptable if they add substantial value, but do not link
to your own site or otherwise seek private benefits from external links.
So I guess thats the policy
On 8/9/07, Todd Conley <tc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> AFAIK the wiki, as I've seen and used it, is a collection of articles,
> contributed by various folks, and generally contains everything you'd need
> to find on the subject, right there in the wiki article. Does anyone link to
> other sites with articles/advertisements? What's the policy on this?
> obivously the official links are going to apache websites, and i'm sure that
> there are revenue generating features on some of those links, or portions of
> those sites. Can we create a user-contributed link section where it's clear
> that pages linked (and SUMMARIZED) on the wiki are just that.... links that
> you can choose to use however you want? There is some helpful stuff at
> askapache, and I've never visited it before, so I'm not partial to it by any
> means. it would be nice to have a repository of all "resources" out there
> for apache, from enthusiasts, experts, and even beginners that are just
> making their first tutorials based on their experiences with apache.
>
> -Todd
>
>
> On 8/9/07, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ok,
> >
> > First of all I am not on your case, but I was concerned that this would
> > lead to a flame war on the wiki again through the edit comments. The
> > reason I removed the links is because your last account was banned and
> > deleted.
> >
> > However, let me apologise for jumping the gun this morning, I was rather
> > hoping to prevent either others doing what I had done, but in a rather
> > more inflammatory way, or to prevent a flame war. It would seem that
> > the inverse has happened.
> >
> > So if you want to re-add your links, I will happily revert my change, so
> > other people within the docs community, and/or the HTTPD community as a
> > whole can decide whether to allow or not allow those links. Because if
> > I recall correctly the consensus was that parts of the material on
> > AskApache.com was misleading or confusing at best. I am unsure if time
> > may have changed those opinions, but I am happy to see what happens.
> >
> > I have CC'd this mail to the docs@ mailing list so that a decision can
> > be reached, hopefully with everyones best interests intact.
> >
> > We would be very happy for you ton contribute to the wiki, but you have
> > to accept that these will be reviewed by your peers, and may well be
> > edited. Your htaccess material in the past has not conformed to what is
> > considered to be best practice methods and if they are published on the
> > wiki they may well be altered.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tony
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Webmaster wrote:
> > > Its a new user page for my new user. I believe I am following the
> > policies
> > > and guidelines to the letter. And the meta tag stuff was just me
> > reading
> > > about the wiki software and testing stuff out. Obviously you are
> > aware that
> > > userpages are NOT indexed by search engines.. view the source code.
> > >
> > > I just realized this morning that my AskApache username was deleted
> > and my
> > > old userpage deleted. So I viewed the history and copied the code,
> > created
> > > a new user (I plan on contributing to the wiki minus external links),
> > and
> > > got myself up and running.
> > >
> > > Seriously man why are you on my case? Its a user page and search
> > engines
> > > don't even look at it. I added a link to my blog and my forum on my
> > user
> > > page, just like everyone else. Edit my page and I'm taking it to the
> > head
> > > honchos to put a stop to this childishness before you cause another
> > > flamewar.
> > >
> > > I'm just trying to contribute to the wiki and its my userpage with
> > links to
> > > my homepages for crying out loud.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:pctony@apache.org]
> > >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:11 AM
> > >> To: webmaster@askapache.com
> > >> Subject: Your HTTPD wiki page
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I am just sending you an email to tell you that I plan to
> > >> edit your home page.
> > >>
> > >> You have created a new page, and added links to your site,
> > >> and the htaccesslite site again. We expressly asked you not
> > >> to add those again last time.
> > >>
> > >> I will also remove the meta type tags you have added that
> > >> would appear to be aimed at being getting your name higher
> > >> rankings in search crawls.
> > >>
> > >> If you have any issues then please either email me, or email
> > >> the docs@httpd.apache.org mailing list. We are the people
> > >> who maintain the wiki, and last time asked you not to use these
> > links.
> > >>
> > >> Your last homepage was deleted after your account was banned.
> > >> It would appear that you are either trying to get around
> > >> that ban, or did not see our last emails to you, where we
> > >> asked you to not use them.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --Tony
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
--
~Jorge
RE: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Vincent de Lau <vi...@delau.nl>.
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: Todd Conley [mailto:tconley@gmail.com]
> Verzonden: donderdag 9 augustus 2007 16:01
> Aan: docs@httpd.apache.org
> CC: Webmaster
> Onderwerp: Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
>
> AFAIK the wiki, as I've seen and used it, is a collection
> of articles, contributed by various folks, and generally
> contains everything you'd need to find on the subject,
> right there in the wiki article. Does anyone link to other
> sites with articles/advertisements? What's the policy on
> this?
Before diving into an already fought discussion...
After the discussion in this thread:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/httpd-docs/200705.mbox/%3C46553713.
9040001@rowe-clan.net%3E
the following policy was posted on the Wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Contributing
Kind regards,
Vincent de Lau
vincent@delau.nl
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Re: Your HTTPD wiki page
Posted by Todd Conley <tc...@gmail.com>.
AFAIK the wiki, as I've seen and used it, is a collection of articles,
contributed by various folks, and generally contains everything you'd need
to find on the subject, right there in the wiki article. Does anyone link to
other sites with articles/advertisements? What's the policy on this?
obivously the official links are going to apache websites, and i'm sure that
there are revenue generating features on some of those links, or portions of
those sites. Can we create a user-contributed link section where it's clear
that pages linked (and SUMMARIZED) on the wiki are just that.... links that
you can choose to use however you want? There is some helpful stuff at
askapache, and I've never visited it before, so I'm not partial to it by any
means. it would be nice to have a repository of all "resources" out there
for apache, from enthusiasts, experts, and even beginners that are just
making their first tutorials based on their experiences with apache.
-Todd
On 8/9/07, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> First of all I am not on your case, but I was concerned that this would
> lead to a flame war on the wiki again through the edit comments. The
> reason I removed the links is because your last account was banned and
> deleted.
>
> However, let me apologise for jumping the gun this morning, I was rather
> hoping to prevent either others doing what I had done, but in a rather
> more inflammatory way, or to prevent a flame war. It would seem that
> the inverse has happened.
>
> So if you want to re-add your links, I will happily revert my change, so
> other people within the docs community, and/or the HTTPD community as a
> whole can decide whether to allow or not allow those links. Because if
> I recall correctly the consensus was that parts of the material on
> AskApache.com was misleading or confusing at best. I am unsure if time
> may have changed those opinions, but I am happy to see what happens.
>
> I have CC'd this mail to the docs@ mailing list so that a decision can
> be reached, hopefully with everyones best interests intact.
>
> We would be very happy for you ton contribute to the wiki, but you have
> to accept that these will be reviewed by your peers, and may well be
> edited. Your htaccess material in the past has not conformed to what is
> considered to be best practice methods and if they are published on the
> wiki they may well be altered.
>
>
> Regards,
> Tony
>
>
>
>
> Webmaster wrote:
> > Its a new user page for my new user. I believe I am following the
> policies
> > and guidelines to the letter. And the meta tag stuff was just me
> reading
> > about the wiki software and testing stuff out. Obviously you are aware
> that
> > userpages are NOT indexed by search engines.. view the source code.
> >
> > I just realized this morning that my AskApache username was deleted and
> my
> > old userpage deleted. So I viewed the history and copied the code,
> created
> > a new user (I plan on contributing to the wiki minus external links),
> and
> > got myself up and running.
> >
> > Seriously man why are you on my case? Its a user page and search
> engines
> > don't even look at it. I added a link to my blog and my forum on my
> user
> > page, just like everyone else. Edit my page and I'm taking it to the
> head
> > honchos to put a stop to this childishness before you cause another
> > flamewar.
> >
> > I'm just trying to contribute to the wiki and its my userpage with links
> to
> > my homepages for crying out loud.
> >
>
>
>
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tony Stevenson [mailto:pctony@apache.org]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 5:11 AM
> >> To: webmaster@askapache.com
> >> Subject: Your HTTPD wiki page
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I am just sending you an email to tell you that I plan to
> >> edit your home page.
> >>
> >> You have created a new page, and added links to your site,
> >> and the htaccesslite site again. We expressly asked you not
> >> to add those again last time.
> >>
> >> I will also remove the meta type tags you have added that
> >> would appear to be aimed at being getting your name higher
> >> rankings in search crawls.
> >>
> >> If you have any issues then please either email me, or email
> >> the docs@httpd.apache.org mailing list. We are the people
> >> who maintain the wiki, and last time asked you not to use these links.
> >>
> >> Your last homepage was deleted after your account was banned.
> >> It would appear that you are either trying to get around
> >> that ban, or did not see our last emails to you, where we
> >> asked you to not use them.
> >>
> >>
> >> --Tony
> >
>
>
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