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Posted to dev@cocoon.apache.org by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org> on 2004/03/05 13:18:08 UTC
From Woody to CocoonForms
In the next few days I want (no promise ;-) to start with renaming Woody
to CocoonForms. First I want to move the _core_ which means that I want
to make one simple example run.
Of course, this renaming has impact on many names and in order to avoid
doing the same thing twice I want to here other opinions on this:
namespaces:
http://apache.org/cocoon/woody/definition/1.0
-->
http://apache.org/cocoon/forms/definition/1.0
packages:
org.apache.cocoon.woody.transformation
-->
org.apache.cocoon.forms.transformation
classnames:
AbstractWoodyAction
-->
AbstractCocoonFormsAction
xconf:
<woody-datatype logger="woody">
-->
<forms-datatype logger="forms">
What do you think?
I don't do the whole transformation at once because I know that I don't
have enough time. So I hope that some others jump in <hint/> ;-)
But this has also a technical impact: the libs (oro,
reporter-expressions) have to move for some time to lib/optional (IIUC).
--
Reinhard
Re: WOODY FREEZE! Was: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org>.
Vadim Gritsenko wrote:
> Reinhard Pötz wrote:
>
>> In the next few days I want (no promise ;-) to start with renaming
>> Woody to CocoonForms. First I want to move the _core_ which means
>> that I want to make one simple example run.
>
>
>
> First of all, let's freeze cocoon woody - so we do not loose any
> patches in the process, and it is easier to operate frozen woody... I
> propose to start WOODY FREEZE tomorrow morning - if you have good
> patches lying on your drive - commit them now :-)
Yes please. I don't start the tranformation before tomorrow afternoon.
>
>
> Before renaming namespaces. This should be a new block:
> woody block --> forms block
yes.
>
>
>> Of course, this renaming has impact on many names and in order to
>> avoid doing the same thing twice I want to here other opinions on this:
>>
>> namespaces:
>> http://apache.org/cocoon/woody/definition/1.0
>> -->
>> http://apache.org/cocoon/forms/definition/1.0
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>> packages:
>> org.apache.cocoon.woody.transformation
>> -->
>> org.apache.cocoon.forms.transformation
>
>
>
> +1
>
>
>> classnames:
>> AbstractWoodyAction
>> -->
>> AbstractCocoonFormsAction
>
>
>
> I suggest AbstractFormsAction. It's already in Cocoon, so no reason to
> mention it.
ok
>
>
>
>> xconf:
>> <woody-datatype logger="woody">
>> -->
>> <forms-datatype logger="forms">
>
thanks Vadim!
--
Reinhard
WOODY FREEZE! Was: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Vadim Gritsenko <va...@reverycodes.com>.
Reinhard Pötz wrote:
> In the next few days I want (no promise ;-) to start with renaming
> Woody to CocoonForms. First I want to move the _core_ which means that
> I want to make one simple example run.
First of all, let's freeze cocoon woody - so we do not loose any patches
in the process, and it is easier to operate frozen woody... I propose to
start WOODY FREEZE tomorrow morning - if you have good patches lying on
your drive - commit them now :-)
Before renaming namespaces. This should be a new block:
woody block --> forms block
> Of course, this renaming has impact on many names and in order to
> avoid doing the same thing twice I want to here other opinions on this:
>
> namespaces:
> http://apache.org/cocoon/woody/definition/1.0
> -->
> http://apache.org/cocoon/forms/definition/1.0
+1
> packages:
> org.apache.cocoon.woody.transformation
> -->
> org.apache.cocoon.forms.transformation
+1
> classnames:
> AbstractWoodyAction
> -->
> AbstractCocoonFormsAction
I suggest AbstractFormsAction. It's already in Cocoon, so no reason to
mention it.
> xconf:
> <woody-datatype logger="woody">
> -->
> <forms-datatype logger="forms">
+1
Vadim
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Le Vendredi, 5 mars 2004, à 14:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Pötz a écrit :
>
>> ...Changing package or class names is the smallest problem if you use
>> Eclipse ;-)
>
>
> sure, but what about docs, samples and people's minds ;-)
>
>>
>>>
>>>> ...I don't do the whole transformation at once because I know that
>>>> I don't have enough time. So I hope that some others jump in
>>>> <hint/> ;-)...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And that's a big problem, the risk of having a half-finished
>>> renaming is big if we aim too high.
>>
>>
>> You could be right, so let's change the procedure:
>>
>> 1. create a new "cforms" block
>> (BTW: I would set up the new block with the name: "cforms")
>> 2. move Java and Xconf files
>> 3. check in into CVS
>> 4. write the stylesheet
>> 5. move the examples
>
>
> +1
> and the idea is to delete the woody block once this works, right?
Yes
--
Reinhard
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le Vendredi, 5 mars 2004, à 14:09 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Pötz a écrit :
> ...Changing package or class names is the smallest problem if you use
> Eclipse ;-)
sure, but what about docs, samples and people's minds ;-)
>
>>
>>> ...I don't do the whole transformation at once because I know that I
>>> don't have enough time. So I hope that some others jump in <hint/>
>>> ;-)...
>>
>>
>> And that's a big problem, the risk of having a half-finished renaming
>> is big if we aim too high.
>
> You could be right, so let's change the procedure:
>
> 1. create a new "cforms" block
> (BTW: I would set up the new block with the name: "cforms")
> 2. move Java and Xconf files
> 3. check in into CVS
> 4. write the stylesheet
> 5. move the examples
+1
and the idea is to delete the woody block once this works, right?
-Bertrand
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org>.
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Le Vendredi, 5 mars 2004, à 13:18 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Pötz a écrit :
>
>> ...
>> namespaces:
>> ....
>> packages:
>> ...
>> classnames:
>> ...
>> xconf:
>> ...
>> What do you think?
>
>
> Quite frankly, I think changing implementation-specific names
> (packages, classes) is not worth the hassle.
>
> I'd change just the namespaces maybe, assuming they *might* be used
> for another implementation besides woody in the future, the block name
> and mostly the documentation.
>
> I don't mind keeping woody as the technical name in some places, IMHO
> the name change disruption is not worth it.
Changing package or class names is the smallest problem if you use
Eclipse ;-)
>
>> ...I don't do the whole transformation at once because I know that I
>> don't have enough time. So I hope that some others jump in <hint/>
>> ;-)...
>
>
> And that's a big problem, the risk of having a half-finished renaming
> is big if we aim too high.
You could be right, so let's change the procedure:
1. create a new "cforms" block
(BTW: I would set up the new block with the name: "cforms")
2. move Java and Xconf files
3. check in into CVS
4. write the stylesheet
5. move the examples
WDYT?
Would be nice if somebody could help me with 4 and 5. Any takers?
--
Reinhard
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Le Vendredi, 5 mars 2004, à 13:18 Europe/Zurich, Reinhard Pötz a écrit :
> ...
> namespaces:
> ....
> packages:
> ...
> classnames:
> ...
> xconf:
> ...
> What do you think?
Quite frankly, I think changing implementation-specific names
(packages, classes) is not worth the hassle.
I'd change just the namespaces maybe, assuming they *might* be used for
another implementation besides woody in the future, the block name and
mostly the documentation.
I don't mind keeping woody as the technical name in some places, IMHO
the name change disruption is not worth it.
> ...I don't do the whole transformation at once because I know that I
> don't have enough time. So I hope that some others jump in <hint/>
> ;-)...
And that's a big problem, the risk of having a half-finished renaming
is big if we aim too high.
-Bertrand
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org>.
Bruno Dumon wrote:
>On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 13:54, Reinhard Pötz wrote:
>
>
>>Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Sounds good to me. +1
>>>
>>>>>From your description, I guess you want to add a new block for
>>>Cocoon Forms in parallel to the Woody one, right?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Yep as it is much work and I'm not sure on all parts if they are
>>_official_ or not.
>>
>>
>
>Hmm, I thought this was just about renaming woody and nothing more?
>
>
Yes, you're right.
As said in the reply to Betrand's question I'll move all sources and
configuration files at once and then check them in as one package. After
this we can start the discussion which parts of Cocoon Forms are
official, what is missing and so on.
Hope this makes my intentions clear for you, doesn't it.
--
Reinhard
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Bruno Dumon <br...@outerthought.org>.
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 13:54, Reinhard Pötz wrote:
> Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>
> >Sounds good to me. +1
> >
> >>From your description, I guess you want to add a new block for
> >Cocoon Forms in parallel to the Woody one, right?
> >
> >
> Yep as it is much work and I'm not sure on all parts if they are
> _official_ or not.
Hmm, I thought this was just about renaming woody and nothing more?
--
Bruno Dumon http://outerthought.org/
Outerthought - Open Source, Java & XML Competence Support Center
bruno@outerthought.org bruno@apache.org
Re: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Reinhard Pötz <re...@apache.org>.
Carsten Ziegeler wrote:
>Sounds good to me. +1
>
>>>From your description, I guess you want to add a new block for
>Cocoon Forms in parallel to the Woody one, right?
>
>
Yep as it is much work and I'm not sure on all parts if they are
_official_ or not.
--
Reinhard
RE: From Woody to CocoonForms
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Sounds good to me. +1
>From your description, I guess you want to add a new block for
Cocoon Forms in parallel to the Woody one, right?
Carsten
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Reinhard Pötz [mailto:reinhard@apache.org]
> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 1:18 PM
> To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
> Subject: From Woody to CocoonForms
>
>
> In the next few days I want (no promise ;-) to start with
> renaming Woody to CocoonForms. First I want to move the
> _core_ which means that I want to make one simple example run.
>
> Of course, this renaming has impact on many names and in
> order to avoid doing the same thing twice I want to here
> other opinions on this:
>
> namespaces:
> http://apache.org/cocoon/woody/definition/1.0
> -->
> http://apache.org/cocoon/forms/definition/1.0
>
> packages:
> org.apache.cocoon.woody.transformation
> -->
> org.apache.cocoon.forms.transformation
>
> classnames:
> AbstractWoodyAction
> -->
> AbstractCocoonFormsAction
>
> xconf:
> <woody-datatype logger="woody">
> -->
> <forms-datatype logger="forms">
>
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> I don't do the whole transformation at once because I know
> that I don't have enough time. So I hope that some others
> jump in <hint/> ;-) But this has also a technical impact: the
> libs (oro,
> reporter-expressions) have to move for some time to
> lib/optional (IIUC).
>
> --
> Reinhard
>
>