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Posted to dev@synapse.apache.org by Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> on 2015/07/01 18:11:44 UTC
Re: Time to Call it a Day?
As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
at this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
three patches we will make you a committer.
Deepal
> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>
> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
> years and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like
> to contribute.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ravi
>
> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hiranya911@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more
> feedback.
>
> Thanks,
> Hiranya
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Hiranya Jayathilaka <hiranya911@gmail.com
>> <ma...@gmail.com>>
>> *Subject: **Time to Call it a Day?*
>> *Date: *June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>> *To: *"private@synapse.apache.org
>> <ma...@synapse.apache.org>" <private@synapse.apache.org
>> <ma...@synapse.apache.org>>
>>
>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in
>> Synapse anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over
>> the last few years:
>>
>>
>> * No. of commits in 2015: 2
>> * No. of commits in 2014: 10
>> * Last committer vote: December 2013
>> * Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>
>>
>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
>> project. Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing
>> lists, and our efforts to do a release have been impeded by a
>> number of factors (committers having difficulty finding time,
>> slow release cycles of Axis2 and other dependencies etc.).
>>
>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the
>> door, but despite his best efforts that release is also being
>> delayed due to lack of time and manpower.
>>
>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to
>> close down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you
>> think?
>>
>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great
>> run, and now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the
>> lack of mailing list and development activity, it looks like
>> there's not much interest in these technologies any more. At
>> least not to the point, where new releases are required --
>> existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to
>> solve (SOAP services and enterprise integration), have been well
>> studied, researched and solved over the last 15 years. Many
>> powerful and mature solutions exist (some of which are based on
>> Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem to be any interest
>> towards further developing these core platforms. The industry
>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>
>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at
>> large believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective
>> measures. Some of us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and
>> expedite that release cycle. There's an open invitation from the
>> Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be happy to grant us commit
>> access if any of us are willing to join. Then we need to get the
>> Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about the
>> future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hiranya
>>
>>
>> --
>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>> <http://cs.ucsb.edu/>
>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu <ma...@wso2.com>; Mobile: +1
>> (805) 895-7443 <tel:%2B1%20%28805%29%20895-7443>
>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>> <http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com/>
>
> --
> Hiranya Jayathilaka
> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
> <http://cs.ucsb.edu/>
> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu <ma...@wso2.com>; Mobile: +1
> (805) 895-7443 <tel:%2B1%20%28805%29%20895-7443>
> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
> <http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com/>
>
>
Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Andun Sameera <an...@gmail.com>.
Hi Andreas,
Will look in to this. Are we going to support jdk 1.8 also?
Thanks
Andun
On 2 Jul 2015 02:24, "Andreas Veithen" <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
> help debugging issues identified.
>
> Andreas
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
> >
> > Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse
> projects.
> > Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and
> start
> > working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some
> of
> > the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
> >
> > I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
> > expedite the Axis2 release.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hiranya
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
> at
> >> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
> three
> >> patches we will make you a committer.
> >>
> >> Deepal
> >>
> >> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
> >>
> >> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
> years
> >> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
> >> contribute.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Ravi
> >>
> >> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more
> feedback.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Hiranya
> >>>
> >>> Begin forwarded message:
> >>>
> >>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
> >>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
> >>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
> >>>
> >>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
> >>>
> >>> Hi Folks,
> >>>
> >>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in
> Synapse
> >>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
> >>> years:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
> >>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
> >>> Last committer vote: December 2013
> >>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
> project.
> >>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
> >>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors
> (committers
> >>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
> >>> dependencies etc.).
> >>>
> >>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
> >>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to
> lack of
> >>> time and manpower.
> >>>
> >>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
> >>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
> >>>
> >>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run,
> and
> >>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing
> list
> >>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in
> these
> >>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases
> are
> >>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine
> maintenance
> >>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve
> (SOAP
> >>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied,
> researched and
> >>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
> >>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem
> to be
> >>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The
> industry
> >>> focus has shifted to other matters.
> >>>
> >>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
> >>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures.
> Some of
> >>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release
> cycle.
> >>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will
> be
> >>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then
> we
> >>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking
> about
> >>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
> >>>
> >>> Let me know what you think.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Hiranya
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
> >>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
> >>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
> >>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
> >>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
> >>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
> >>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
> >>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
> >>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hiranya Jayathilaka
> > Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
> > Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
> > E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
> > Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
I think that the primary reason for slowness is here:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/axis/axis2/java/core/trunk/modules/integration/pom.xml?revision=1686544&view=markup#l492
Andreas
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May be we
> can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
>
> Deepal
>>
>> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
>> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
>> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
>> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
>> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
>> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
>> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
>> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
>> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
>> help debugging issues identified.
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse
>>> projects.
>>> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and
>>> start
>>> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some
>>> of
>>> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>>>
>>> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
>>> expedite the Axis2 release.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hiranya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
>>>> at
>>>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
>>>> three
>>>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>>>
>>>> Deepal
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>>>
>>>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
>>>> years
>>>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>>>> contribute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ravi
>>>>
>>>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in
>>>>> Synapse
>>>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>>>> years:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors
>>>>> (committers
>>>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack
>>>>> of
>>>>> time and manpower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run,
>>>>> and
>>>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in
>>>>> these
>>>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases
>>>>> are
>>>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine
>>>>> maintenance
>>>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve
>>>>> (SOAP
>>>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied,
>>>>> researched and
>>>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem
>>>>> to be
>>>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The
>>>>> industry
>>>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures.
>>>>> Some of
>>>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release
>>>>> cycle.
>>>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will
>>>>> be
>>>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then
>>>>> we
>>>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>
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RE: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
faster buildtimes and reduce your wall-time performance I would suggest building/running JDK 1.8.0_40
i dont know the Microsoft solution for making builds faster
Maybe there is a internal Microsoft OS for devs that allows configurable options for max-heap or stack
since Deepal works for them maybe you can look into this Deepal?
Martin
______________________________________________
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:37:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Time to Call it a Day?
From: asankanbd@gmail.com
To: dev@synapse.apache.org
CC: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
Hi Deepal,
I will look into this.
Thanks,
Asanka
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May be we can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
Deepal
There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
help debugging issues identified.
Andreas
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
<hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse projects.
Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and start
working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some of
the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
expedite the Axis2 release.
Thanks,
Hiranya
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute at
this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around three
patches we will make you a committer.
Deepal
Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so years
and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
contribute.
Thanks,
Ravi
On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
Thanks,
Hiranya
Begin forwarded message:
From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
[THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
Hi Folks,
It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in Synapse
anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
years:
No. of commits in 2015: 2
No. of commits in 2014: 10
Last committer vote: December 2013
Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source project.
Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors (committers
having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
dependencies etc.).
Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack of
time and manpower.
Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run, and
now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing list
and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in these
technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases are
required -- existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve (SOAP
services and enterprise integration), have been well studied, researched and
solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
(some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem to be
any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The industry
focus has shifted to other matters.
However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures. Some of
us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release cycle.
There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be
happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then we
need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about
the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Hiranya
--
Hiranya Jayathilaka
Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
--
Hiranya Jayathilaka
Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
--
Hiranya Jayathilaka
Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
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RE: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
for faster build-times and reduce wall-time I would suggest upgrading base JDK to JDK 1.8.0_40-b26
I dont know if Microsoft has a internal environment/shell for devs which allows configurable heap/stack options?
Since Deepal works for them can you look into configurable heap/stack options for Microsoft ?
Thanks,
Martin
______________________________________________
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:37:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Time to Call it a Day?
From: asankanbd@gmail.com
To: dev@synapse.apache.org
CC: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
Hi Deepal,
I will look into this.
Thanks,
Asanka
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May be we can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
Deepal
There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
help debugging issues identified.
Andreas
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
<hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse projects.
Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and start
working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some of
the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
expedite the Axis2 release.
Thanks,
Hiranya
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute at
this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around three
patches we will make you a committer.
Deepal
Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so years
and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
contribute.
Thanks,
Ravi
On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
Thanks,
Hiranya
Begin forwarded message:
From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
[THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
Hi Folks,
It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in Synapse
anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
years:
No. of commits in 2015: 2
No. of commits in 2014: 10
Last committer vote: December 2013
Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source project.
Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors (committers
having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
dependencies etc.).
Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack of
time and manpower.
Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run, and
now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing list
and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in these
technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases are
required -- existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve (SOAP
services and enterprise integration), have been well studied, researched and
solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
(some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem to be
any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The industry
focus has shifted to other matters.
However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures. Some of
us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release cycle.
There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be
happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then we
need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about
the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
Let me know what you think.
Thanks,
Hiranya
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Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Asanka Dissanayake <as...@gmail.com>.
Hi Deepal,
I will look into this.
Thanks,
Asanka
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May be
> we can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
>
> Deepal
>
> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
>> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
>> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
>> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
>> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
>> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
>> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
>> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
>> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
>> help debugging issues identified.
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse
>>> projects.
>>> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and
>>> start
>>> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some
>>> of
>>> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>>>
>>> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
>>> expedite the Axis2 release.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hiranya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
>>>> at
>>>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
>>>> three
>>>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>>>
>>>> Deepal
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>>>
>>>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
>>>> years
>>>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>>>> contribute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ravi
>>>>
>>>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in
>>>>> Synapse
>>>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>>>> years:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors
>>>>> (committers
>>>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to
>>>>> lack of
>>>>> time and manpower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run,
>>>>> and
>>>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in
>>>>> these
>>>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases
>>>>> are
>>>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine
>>>>> maintenance
>>>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve
>>>>> (SOAP
>>>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied,
>>>>> researched and
>>>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem
>>>>> to be
>>>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The
>>>>> industry
>>>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures.
>>>>> Some of
>>>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release
>>>>> cycle.
>>>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will
>>>>> be
>>>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then
>>>>> we
>>>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Asanka Dissanayake <as...@gmail.com>.
Hi Deepal,
I will look into this.
Thanks,
Asanka
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:29 PM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May be
> we can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
>
> Deepal
>
> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
>> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
>> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
>> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
>> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
>> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
>> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
>> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
>> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
>> help debugging issues identified.
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse
>>> projects.
>>> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and
>>> start
>>> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some
>>> of
>>> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>>>
>>> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
>>> expedite the Axis2 release.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hiranya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
>>>> at
>>>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
>>>> three
>>>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>>>
>>>> Deepal
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>>>
>>>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
>>>> years
>>>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>>>> contribute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ravi
>>>>
>>>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in
>>>>> Synapse
>>>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>>>> years:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors
>>>>> (committers
>>>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to
>>>>> lack of
>>>>> time and manpower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run,
>>>>> and
>>>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in
>>>>> these
>>>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases
>>>>> are
>>>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine
>>>>> maintenance
>>>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve
>>>>> (SOAP
>>>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied,
>>>>> researched and
>>>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem
>>>>> to be
>>>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The
>>>>> industry
>>>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures.
>>>>> Some of
>>>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release
>>>>> cycle.
>>>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will
>>>>> be
>>>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then
>>>>> we
>>>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
I think that the primary reason for slowness is here:
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/axis/axis2/java/core/trunk/modules/integration/pom.xml?revision=1686544&view=markup#l492
Andreas
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May be we
> can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
>
> Deepal
>>
>> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
>> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
>> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
>> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
>> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
>> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
>> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
>> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
>> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
>> help debugging issues identified.
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>>>
>>> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse
>>> projects.
>>> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and
>>> start
>>> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some
>>> of
>>> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>>>
>>> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
>>> expedite the Axis2 release.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hiranya
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
>>>> at
>>>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
>>>> three
>>>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>>>
>>>> Deepal
>>>>
>>>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>>>
>>>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
>>>> years
>>>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>>>> contribute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Ravi
>>>>
>>>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in
>>>>> Synapse
>>>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>>>> years:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors
>>>>> (committers
>>>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack
>>>>> of
>>>>> time and manpower.
>>>>>
>>>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run,
>>>>> and
>>>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in
>>>>> these
>>>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases
>>>>> are
>>>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine
>>>>> maintenance
>>>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve
>>>>> (SOAP
>>>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied,
>>>>> researched and
>>>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem
>>>>> to be
>>>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The
>>>>> industry
>>>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures.
>>>>> Some of
>>>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release
>>>>> cycle.
>>>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will
>>>>> be
>>>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then
>>>>> we
>>>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking
>>>>> about
>>>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hiranya
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>.
Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May
be we can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
Deepal
> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
> help debugging issues identified.
>
> Andreas
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse projects.
>> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and start
>> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some of
>> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>>
>> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
>> expedite the Axis2 release.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hiranya
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute at
>>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around three
>>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>>
>>> Deepal
>>>
>>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>>
>>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so years
>>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>>> contribute.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ravi
>>>
>>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Hiranya
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in Synapse
>>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>>> years:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source project.
>>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors (committers
>>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack of
>>>> time and manpower.
>>>>
>>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run, and
>>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing list
>>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in these
>>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases are
>>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
>>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve (SOAP
>>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied, researched and
>>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem to be
>>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The industry
>>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>>
>>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures. Some of
>>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release cycle.
>>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be
>>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then we
>>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about
>>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Hiranya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com>.
Another big item would be to reduce time it takes for Axis2 build. May
be we can move some modules out or find a better way to build.
Deepal
> There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
> recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
> on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
> on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
> problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
> version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
> have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
> one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
> would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
> help debugging issues identified.
>
> Andreas
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
> <hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>>
>> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse projects.
>> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and start
>> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some of
>> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>>
>> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
>> expedite the Axis2 release.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hiranya
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute at
>>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around three
>>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>>
>>> Deepal
>>>
>>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>>
>>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so years
>>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>>> contribute.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ravi
>>>
>>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Hiranya
>>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>>
>>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>>
>>>> Hi Folks,
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in Synapse
>>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>>> years:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source project.
>>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors (committers
>>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack of
>>>> time and manpower.
>>>>
>>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run, and
>>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing list
>>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in these
>>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases are
>>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
>>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve (SOAP
>>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied, researched and
>>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem to be
>>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The industry
>>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>>
>>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures. Some of
>>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release cycle.
>>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be
>>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then we
>>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about
>>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Hiranya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
There is another area where help would be welcome. I did some work
recently to make the build succeed on Java 7, and I know that it works
on Mac OS X (because I use that OS) and Linux (because the build works
on Jenkins). On the other hand, Deepal reported that he had/has
problems building on Windows. A build having platform (and Java
version) dependent issues is obviously bad. Personally, I no longer
have access to Windows machines (and I'm not really motivated to get
one running in the cloud somewhere...). So one useful contribution
would be to test the build on various platforms and Java versions and
help debugging issues identified.
Andreas
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:50 PM, Hiranya Jayathilaka
<hi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
>
> Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse projects.
> Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't and start
> working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point out some of
> the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
>
> I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
> expedite the Axis2 release.
>
> Thanks,
> Hiranya
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute at
>> this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around three
>> patches we will make you a committer.
>>
>> Deepal
>>
>> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>>
>> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so years
>> and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
>> contribute.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ravi
>>
>> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Hiranya
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Time to Call it a Day?
>>> Date: June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>>> To: "private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>>
>>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>>
>>> Hi Folks,
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in Synapse
>>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>>> years:
>>>
>>>
>>> No. of commits in 2015: 2
>>> No. of commits in 2014: 10
>>> Last committer vote: December 2013
>>> Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>>
>>>
>>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source project.
>>> Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists, and our
>>> efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors (committers
>>> having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2 and other
>>> dependencies etc.).
>>>
>>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack of
>>> time and manpower.
>>>
>>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>>
>>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run, and
>>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing list
>>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in these
>>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases are
>>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
>>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve (SOAP
>>> services and enterprise integration), have been well studied, researched and
>>> solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature solutions exist
>>> (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there doesn't seem to be
>>> any interest towards further developing these core platforms. The industry
>>> focus has shifted to other matters.
>>>
>>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures. Some of
>>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release cycle.
>>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be
>>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then we
>>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about
>>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>>
>>> Let me know what you think.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Hiranya
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
>>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Hiranya Jayathilaka
> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
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Re: Time to Call it a Day?
Posted by Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>.
Andun, Ravi and Asanka,
Thank you very much for your show of support for Axis2 and Synapse
projects. Please subscribe to the Axis2 mailing list if you already haven't
and start working on some issues. I'm sure Deepal would be happy to point
out some of the most important ones that need fixing immediately.
I will also try to find some time over the next couple of weeks and help
expedite the Axis2 release.
Thanks,
Hiranya
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Deepal jayasinghe <de...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I mentioned in one of the previous email, the best way to contribute
> at this point is pick few JIRAs and send patches. Once you send around
> three patches we will make you a committer.
>
> Deepal
>
> Hi Hiranya/Deepal,
>
> I've also been working with synapse and axis2 in the past two or so
> years and have some familiarity with the code base so I too would like to
> contribute.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ravi
>
> On 28 June 2015 at 11:06, Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm opening this up for dev@ in the hope of getting some more feedback.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hiranya
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From: *Hiranya Jayathilaka <hi...@gmail.com>
>> *Subject: **Time to Call it a Day?*
>> *Date: *June 10, 2015 12:08:33 AM PDT
>> *To: *"private@synapse.apache.org" <pr...@synapse.apache.org>
>>
>> [THIS AN INITIAL REQUEST FOR COMMENTS ONLY. NOT A VOTE.]
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>>
>> It doesn't look like there's any active development happening in Synapse
>> anymore. Here's a quick run down of our track record over the last few
>> years:
>>
>>
>> - No. of commits in 2015: 2
>> - No. of commits in 2014: 10
>> - Last committer vote: December 2013
>> - Last release: January 2012 (v2.1)
>>
>>
>> Needless to say these are not the signs of a healthy open source
>> project. Additionally, we have very little traffic on our mailing lists,
>> and our efforts to do a release have been impeded by a number of factors
>> (committers having difficulty finding time, slow release cycles of Axis2
>> and other dependencies etc.).
>>
>> Deepal is trying really hard to get an Axis2 release out the door, but
>> despite his best efforts that release is also being delayed due to lack of
>> time and manpower.
>>
>> Given this status, I'm beginning to wonder whether it's time to close
>> down the shop, and move the project into Attic. What do you think?
>>
>> In my PERSONAL opinion, both Axis2 and Synapse have had a great run, and
>> now it's time for them to gracefully retire. From the lack of mailing list
>> and development activity, it looks like there's not much interest in these
>> technologies any more. At least not to the point, where new releases are
>> required -- existing users might still need patches and routine maintenance
>> to already released code. The problems these projects attempt to solve
>> (SOAP services and enterprise integration), have been well studied,
>> researched and solved over the last 15 years. Many powerful and mature
>> solutions exist (some of which are based on Axis2 and Synapse), but there
>> doesn't seem to be any interest towards further developing these core
>> platforms. The industry focus has shifted to other matters.
>>
>> However, that's just my personal view point. If the community at large
>> believes otherwise, then we need to take a few corrective measures. Some of
>> us need to join the Axis2 release effort, and expedite that release cycle.
>> There's an open invitation from the Axis2 PMC, and I'm sure they will be
>> happy to grant us commit access if any of us are willing to join. Then we
>> need to get the Synapse release process underway, and start thinking about
>> the future development prospects for the Synapse project.
>>
>> Let me know what you think.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Hiranya
>>
>> --
>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu <hi...@wso2.com>; Mobile: +1 (805)
>> 895-7443 <%2B1%20%28805%29%20895-7443>
>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> Hiranya Jayathilaka
>> Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
>> Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
>> E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu <hi...@wso2.com>; Mobile: +1 (805)
>> 895-7443
>> Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>
>
--
Hiranya Jayathilaka
Mayhem Lab/RACE Lab;
Dept. of Computer Science, UCSB; http://cs.ucsb.edu
E-mail: hiranya@cs.ucsb.edu <hi...@wso2.com>; Mobile: +1 (805) 895-7443
Blog: http://techfeast-hiranya.blogspot.com