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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com> on 2016/09/11 10:40:28 UTC
I want to support OO development
Hello Open Office Dev Community,
Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this
activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not
join the list or help.
However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So
I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open
Office.
The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working
on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up
to 8h.
However I have to solve some other topics for this.
I worked for the last 10 Years as a BI specialist consultant with focus
on a language called SAS. I am experienced SQL Scripter.
In my last project I had to take over a simple .net Program because the
originated Programmer could not be further payed.
I wrote once a Java Application in order to give a customer an easy tool
to verify the Outcome of a delivery.
I even had to document a COBOL Programm once.
My Diploma thesis involved a webapp Application written in php and perl
(ver. 5).
I was messing around with python for a while and I am a big fan of Ceylon.
And most important since my study times I now and then mess around with
c++. I am a big fan of Bjarne Stroustrup " A tour of C++" and still
trying to understand Alexandrescu " Modern c++ design"
So I hope no one minds if I try to utilize this knowledge.
I am long time user of Open Office and its derivate Libre Office. So I
am quite proficient with it as a user. (However I have to admit I am
latly useing mostly Microsoft products due business focus.)
I am german nativ speaker, with acceptable english skills. And I have
some crappy hungarian skill. ;)
I even have a "build experience" of Open Office. Back in 2005 (I think)
I was a big fan of Gentoo. I even build Open Office from source code. It
just took me 11h compile time on a Athlon XP System. Which was the
longest compile effort I had to wait for back then. lol! (The credits go
to the awesome Gentoo distribution, my effort was only the patience to
wait that the update finishes.)
Long story short. I know
# a lot of languages badly
# a language that is itself a mess.
# how to development in crappy envoirments.
I value
# maintainability
# necessary documentation
# comments
# smart easy to use code.
I would privatly like to achieve to improve
# build times
# maintainability
This is my 3rd Open Office Project I was involved.
# piArmada I want to produce a follow up version. But I lack the skills,
and it is hard to build skill alone.
# AutoRealm, I supported a redevelopment a little bit. However I did not
feel very comfortable due to my rather low c++ skill.
My suggestiones I send to Dennis are still valid for me. They should
give orientation what I prefer, but I think I am the Noob here, and it
is not my place to decide. Maybe when I have manged to build some
reputation I will bring one or the other topic up.
Reference:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg28377.html
I use Arch Linux on an ASUS Ultrabook which is my devlopment machine,
since it has the best hardware.
I own a macbook air from 2009 and Windows 10 on a desktop system.
So I suggest I start with trying to buid OO on the Mac. See how this
goes. I had the impression this could be a quick win for the project and
a good entry point for me.
If someone has a different Idea, I am open for discussion or swap focus.
So Here I am at your service. :-D
I am looking very much to code with you.
All the best.
Peter
Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
On 9/14/2016 12:23 PM, John D'Orazio wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely valuable.
>> That would make it easier to convert initial interest to long term
>> contributions.
>>
>> [...]
>
>
>
> I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for Windows,
>> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guid
>> e_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1. They should be tested by
>> building on a machine that has not previously been used to build OpenOffice.
>>
>
> Thank you Patricia for your contribution to this, it has encouraged me to
> give the building process a shot on my own Windows 10 system. I've made a
> couple of changes to the step-by-step instructions as I followed along and
> ran into a few issues, for example the dmake url was dead and needed to be
> substituted with a working link from sourceforge, and the paths for the
> Windows 7 SDK and DirectX SDK needed to be changed to paths without any
> spaces (the build process was getting blocked by this). Also the necessary
> perl modules hadn't been mentioned so I've added those in also. My build
> has been running for about 5-6 hours now and has not yet finished, at least
> it hasn't terminated with any errors so far! If it does terminate
> successfully then I'll add "Windows 10" alongside Windows 7 and Windows 8.1
> in the step-by-step guide.
Thanks. That sort of continuous improvement is just what the build
instructions need.
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Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by John D'Orazio <jo...@cappellaniauniroma3.org>.
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
>
> In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely valuable.
> That would make it easier to convert initial interest to long term
> contributions.
>
> [...]
I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for Windows,
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guid
> e_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1. They should be tested by
> building on a machine that has not previously been used to build OpenOffice.
>
Thank you Patricia for your contribution to this, it has encouraged me to
give the building process a shot on my own Windows 10 system. I've made a
couple of changes to the step-by-step instructions as I followed along and
ran into a few issues, for example the dmake url was dead and needed to be
substituted with a working link from sourceforge, and the paths for the
Windows 7 SDK and DirectX SDK needed to be changed to paths without any
spaces (the build process was getting blocked by this). Also the necessary
perl modules hadn't been mentioned so I've added those in also. My build
has been running for about 5-6 hours now and has not yet finished, at least
it hasn't terminated with any errors so far! If it does terminate
successfully then I'll add "Windows 10" alongside Windows 7 and Windows 8.1
in the step-by-step guide.
--
John R. D'Orazio
Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com>.
sure. One step after another.
Thanks the welcome :-)
On 11.09.2016 16:49, JZA wrote:
> Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most
> of the actual development time. There are many bugs that have been
> documentated, so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and
> also consult the list for possible outdated documentation. This is one
> of the biggest hurdles to get really into AOO.
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org
> <ma...@acm.org>> wrote:
>
> Welcome aboard!
>
> On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>
> Hello Open Office Dev Community,
>
> Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank
> you for this
> activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and
> therefore can not
> join the list or help.
> However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete
> week now. So
> I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for
> Apache Open
> Office.
> The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am
> still working
> on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to
> move up
> to 8h.
> However I have to solve some other topics for this.
>
>
> Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.
>
> ...
>
> Long story short. I know
> # a lot of languages badly
> # a language that is itself a mess.
> # how to development in crappy envoirments.
>
> I value
> # maintainability
> # necessary documentation
> # comments
> # smart easy to use code.
>
> I would privatly like to achieve to improve
> # build times
> # maintainability
>
>
> In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely
> valuable. That would make it easier to convert initial interest to
> long term contributions.
>
> In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get
> all the changes checked in. After than, the more building and
> testing the better.
>
> I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for
> Windows,
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1
> <https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1>.
> They should be tested by building on a machine that has not
> previously been used to build OpenOffice.
>
> There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without
> requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested
> to see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to
> reproduce it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and
> requesting additional information. If you can reproduce a bug you
> can do as much analysis as you have time for.
>
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[discussion] OO development next steps
Posted by Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com>.
I am sorry for the chaos. I changed the Topic.
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org
<ma...@acm.org>> wrote:
> In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all
> the changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the
> better.
I prepare to be ready to testbuild OO. And I prepare some tests based on
the 4.1.3 marked Issues.
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org
<ma...@acm.org>> wrote:
> There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without
> requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to
> see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to
> reproduce it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting
> additional information. If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much
> analysis as you have time for.
Okay will try to confirm some bugs and start with rated P1 Defects ones.
On 11.09.2016 16:49, JZA wrote:
> Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most
> of the actual development time. There are many bugs that have been
> documentated, so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and
> also consult the list for possible outdated documentation. This is one
> of the biggest hurdles to get really into AOO.
I checked today the Wiki. It was very confusing to me. "Development"
seems to think more on Extending OOo in the sense of an Extension. It is
not so much focusing on OOo Code itself. So I am not sure what you refer
to JZL. Is there any Layer or architectural description on the C++ code
on the Wiki?
All the best
Peter
All the best
Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by JZA <ac...@gmail.com>.
Bare in mind most of AOO is based on C++ code. So this would be most of the
actual development time. There are many bugs that have been documentated,
so before squashing them, you should read the wiki and also consult the
list for possible outdated documentation. This is one of the biggest
hurdles to get really into AOO.
On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 7:36 AM, Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org> wrote:
> Welcome aboard!
>
> On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>
>> Hello Open Office Dev Community,
>>
>> Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this
>> activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not
>> join the list or help.
>> However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So
>> I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open
>> Office.
>> The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working
>> on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up
>> to 8h.
>> However I have to solve some other topics for this.
>>
>
> Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.
>
> ...
>
>> Long story short. I know
>> # a lot of languages badly
>> # a language that is itself a mess.
>> # how to development in crappy envoirments.
>>
>> I value
>> # maintainability
>> # necessary documentation
>> # comments
>> # smart easy to use code.
>>
>> I would privatly like to achieve to improve
>> # build times
>> # maintainability
>>
>
> In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely valuable.
> That would make it easier to convert initial interest to long term
> contributions.
>
> In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all the
> changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the better.
>
> I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for Windows,
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guid
> e_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1. They should be tested by
> building on a machine that has not previously been used to build OpenOffice.
>
> There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without requiring
> immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to see
> if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to reproduce it, the
> bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting additional information.
> If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much analysis as you have time for.
>
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>
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Apache OpenOffice Contributor
9060 55AB FFD2 2F02 0E1A 3409 599C 14FC 9450 D3CF
Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
Welcome aboard!
On 9/11/2016 3:40 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hello Open Office Dev Community,
>
> Dennis E. Hamilton forwarded my message to this list. Thank you for this
> activity. I was in the opinion that I have no time and therefore can not
> join the list or help.
> However OpenOffice devlopment is on my mind for a complete week now. So
> I decided I free up time and will focus on developing for Apache Open
> Office.
> The activity of freeing up time is not that easy, and I am still working
> on it. So for starters I will use 4h per week for OO trying to move up
> to 8h.
> However I have to solve some other topics for this.
Whatever time you can spend will be useful and valued.
...
> Long story short. I know
> # a lot of languages badly
> # a language that is itself a mess.
> # how to development in crappy envoirments.
>
> I value
> # maintainability
> # necessary documentation
> # comments
> # smart easy to use code.
>
> I would privatly like to achieve to improve
> # build times
> # maintainability
In the long term, work on the build system would be extremely valuable.
That would make it easier to convert initial interest to long term
contributions.
In the short term, we are preparing release 4.1.3. We need to get all
the changes checked in. After than, the more building and testing the
better.
I made some changes recently to the step-by-step instructions for
Windows,
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_step#Windows_7.2C_Windows_8.1.
They should be tested by building on a machine that has not previously
been used to build OpenOffice.
There is an ongoing activity that needs good user skills without
requiring immediate programming: Monitoring bug tracking at
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/. Each new bug report needs to be tested to
see if it reproduces. If there is insufficient information to reproduce
it, the bug report needs a comment saying so and requesting additional
information. If you can reproduce a bug you can do as much analysis as
you have time for.
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Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hi Peter,
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:leginee@gmail.com]
> I live near Frankfurt. However I travel a lot. Most often because of
> business.
> Where do you live.
I live near Berlin.
The reason for my question, where you live was to find out if you speak German.
As I read this you're you familiarize into the project, I had (once again) the idea for writing a German-speaking guide for developers.
Can we talk about this via PM?
Or do you like the German-language list (dev-de@openoffice.apache.org) subscribe? Note: This is the list of the local German community, no specific development list.
> I can notify you if I am nearby for a
> Greets&meet. :)
Yes, like, if we find an opportunity.
Maybe I can invite you if the team of PrOOo box (www.prooo-box.org) applies again. I do not know when yet.
Greetings,
Jörg
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Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by Peter Kovacs <le...@gmail.com>.
I live near Frankfurt. However I travel a lot. Most often because of
business.
Where do you live. I can notify you if I am nearby for a Greets&meet. :)
All the Best
Peter
Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> schrieb am Di., 13. Sep. 2016, 08:28:
> Hi Peter,
>
> > From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:leginee@gmail.com]
>
> > Hello Open Office Dev Community,
> > ...
>
>
> welcome to OpenOffice
>
> Where do you live?
>
>
> Greetings,
> Jörg
>
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Re: I want to support OO development
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hi Peter,
> From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:leginee@gmail.com]
> Hello Open Office Dev Community,
> ...
welcome to OpenOffice
Where do you live?
Greetings,
Jörg
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