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Posted to user@ofbiz.apache.org by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net> on 2010/08/26 09:49:27 UTC
Re:Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or Seed
(production data). for that mater can you show me a app that initializes
the db structure, as ofbiz does?
as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup
component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or
demo. it should lead you through the technical setup.
see
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide
Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852
so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the
Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db.
however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize the
new DB.
Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server.
feel free to contribute.
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Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM:
> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using
> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file.
>
> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only
> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can
> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no
> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in
> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib
> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build
> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some
> time soon and work on it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raj
>
>
>
> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided.
>> and they do a startofbiz
>> what will happen?
>> lots of errors and support as now.
>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data.
>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production.
>>
>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find.
>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started
>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs.
>>
>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every
>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ.
>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of
>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from
>> new users on how to setup.
>>
>> why you could even write another book about it.
>> (smiles)
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM:
>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>
>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the other ASF
>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most
>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first
>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF
>>> website.
>>>
>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current
>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and
>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason you
>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official release.
>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the
>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with
>>>>>>> the jar
>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what that
>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the
>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time.
>>>>>>> Then, one
>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold -
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already
>>>>>>> packaged
>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of
>>>>>>> events,
>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure to how
>>>>>>> things are done here, would think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds
>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip)
>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code
>>>>>>>> minus all
>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the
>>>>>>>> branch and
>>>>>>>> nigthly builds.
>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn.
>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded.
>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu:
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way
>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is
>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The jar
>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6
>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build
>>>>>>>>> process as
>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create
>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build
>>>>>>>>> instructions,
>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code (Release
>>>>>>>>> 9.04)"
>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day
>>>>>>>>> since the
>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out
>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the
>>>>>>>>> builds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It created a
>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and
>>>>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message.
>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program
>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java"
>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M
>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx
>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04
>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's
>>>>>>>>>> not found.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded zip
>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please help.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
Regards
Scott
On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is, and should be used for?
>> If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
>>
>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with...
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>> Hi BJ
>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site.
>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
thanks.
just a note.
./ works on windows was well
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/19/2010 5:30 AM:
=========================
BJ Freeman
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
> Done
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>> no Idea on chrome problem
>> from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold,
>> make larger font or something to bring focus to
>> ./ant run-install
>> on the right side.
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM:
>>> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK
>>> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
>>> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for
>>> now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> Done,
>>>>
>>>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I
>>>> have changed and added some minor things
>>>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache
>>>> system
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be
>>>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they
>>>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent
>>>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many
>>>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from
>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a
>>>>>>>> clear explanation of what it
>>>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could
>>>>>>>> provide the text...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's
>>>>>>>> see with what he will come with...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with
>>>>>>>>>> the release zip.
>>>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
>>>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the
>>>>>>>>>>> download, decide
>>>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> easier for
>>>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible
>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new
>>>>>>>>>>> here!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
thanks for the link
I will submit a patch, since you as busy as i am.
:D
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/16/2010 2:38 PM:
> Yes, I will try to take care of that...
>
> BTW anyone willing to help can get it from
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/site and make a patch in a Jira...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>> no Idea on chrome problem
>> from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold,
>> make larger font or something to bring focus to
>> ./ant run-install
>> on the right side.
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM:
>>> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK
>>> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
>>> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for
>>> now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> Done,
>>>>
>>>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I
>>>> have changed and added some minor things
>>>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache
>>>> system
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be
>>>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they
>>>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent
>>>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many
>>>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from
>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a
>>>>>>>> clear explanation of what it
>>>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could
>>>>>>>> provide the text...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's
>>>>>>>> see with what he will come with...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with
>>>>>>>>>> the release zip.
>>>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
>>>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the
>>>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the
>>>>>>>>>>> download, decide
>>>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> easier for
>>>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible
>>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new
>>>>>>>>>>> here!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Done
Jacques
From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
> no Idea on chrome problem
> from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, make larger font or something to bring focus to
> ./ant run-install
> on the right side.
>
> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM:
>> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK
>> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
>> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for
>> now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> Done,
>>>
>>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I
>>> have changed and added some minor things
>>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache
>>> system
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be
>>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they
>>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent
>>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many
>>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from
>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a
>>>>>>> clear explanation of what it
>>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could
>>>>>>> provide the text...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's
>>>>>>> see with what he will come with...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with
>>>>>>>>> the release zip.
>>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
>>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the
>>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the
>>>>>>>>>> download, decide
>>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> easier for
>>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible
>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new
>>>>>>>>>> here!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Yes, I will try to take care of that...
BTW anyone willing to help can get it from http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/ofbiz/site and make a patch in a Jira...
Thanks
Jacques
From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
> no Idea on chrome problem
> from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold, make larger font or something to bring focus to
> ./ant run-install
> on the right side.
>
> Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM:
>> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK
>> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
>> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for
>> now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> Done,
>>>
>>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I
>>> have changed and added some minor things
>>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache
>>> system
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be
>>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they
>>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent
>>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many
>>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from
>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a
>>>>>>> clear explanation of what it
>>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could
>>>>>>> provide the text...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's
>>>>>>> see with what he will come with...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with
>>>>>>>>> the release zip.
>>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
>>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the
>>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the
>>>>>>>>>> download, decide
>>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> easier for
>>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible
>>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new
>>>>>>>>>> here!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
no Idea on chrome problem
from a human perspective think it would help to highlight, make bold,
make larger font or something to bring focus to
./ant run-install
on the right side.
Jacques Le Roux sent the following on 9/15/2010 12:09 AM:
> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK
> in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for
> now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> Done,
>>
>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I
>> have changed and added some minor things
>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache
>> system
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be
>>> happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And they
>>> lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent
>>> beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had many
>>> children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from
>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a
>>>>>> clear explanation of what it
>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could
>>>>>> provide the text...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's
>>>>>> see with what he will come with...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with
>>>>>>>> the release zip.
>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
>>>>>>>> availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the
>>>>>>>> equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the
>>>>>>>>> download, decide
>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>> easier for
>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible
>>>>>>>>> problems
>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new
>>>>>>>>> here!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Done,
>
> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I have changed and added some minor things
> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache system
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for
>> "And they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily
>> and had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it
>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
>>>>>
>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with...
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I fixed the Chrome/WebKit issue. I left wrong ending tags
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Oops, not sure why, it's all broken in Chrome and of course Safari (OK in FF, IE8 and Opera) any ideas?
> I only tried locally (ie file:///D:/workspace/website/download.html) for now, so maybe it's not a real problem?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> Done,
>>
>> Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I have changed and added some minor things
>> It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache system
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for
>>> "And they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily
>>> and had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> Scott Gray wrote:
>>>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it
>>>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
>>>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your
>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>>>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Done,
Ruth I have applied almost all your changes but the h1 tittle and I have changed and added some minor things
It will take half an hour to be automatically uploaded by the Apache system
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for
> "And they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and
> had many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
>
> Jacques
>
> Scott Gray wrote:
>> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>
>>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it
>>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
>>>>
>>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with...
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>>> Hi BJ
>>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
>>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site.
>>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Maybe more explanations, provided by Ruth, and then everybody will be happy again for a long time (without kids: in French for "And
they lived happily ever after" we say "ils vécurent heureux et eurent beaucoup d'enfants" which means "they lived happily and had
many children", the marvellous time of Failry tales...)
Jacques
Scott Gray wrote:
> It's already there, underneath the 4.0 download:
>> You can also get nightly builds from the {link}snapshots{link} page.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 27/08/2010, at 8:12 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>
>> Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it
>>> is, and should be used for? If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
>>>
>>> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with...
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>>>> Hi BJ
>>>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>>>> Thanks for all your help.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
>>>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to.
>>>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site.
>>>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>>>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Sure. I'd be happy to do that.
Regards,
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html
> to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is, and should
> be used for?
> If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
>
> Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see
> with what he will come with...
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
>> Hi BJ
>> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
>> Thanks for all your help.
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the
>>> release zip.
>>> the release zip never had jar files.
>>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still
>>> availible and I gave you a link to.
>>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent
>>> 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site.
>>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download,
>>>> decide
>>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>>
>>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the
>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would
>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site.
>>>>>>>> IMHO, no
>>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not
>>>>>>>>> just as
>>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>>>> Mind you
>>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration
>>>>>>>>>> of how
>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong,
>>>>>>>>>> well, for a
>>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for
>>>>>>>>>> inexperienced
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have
>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe
>>>>>>>>>>>> once a
>>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the
>>>>>>>>>>>> binary
>>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort
>>>>>>>>>>>>> required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> really a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would much
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Maybe w e could have a link from http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html to nightly builds with a clear explanation of what it is,
and should be used for?
If we agree on that, maybe Ruth could provide the text...
Also It seems Raj wants to improve the startofbiz files... Let's see with what he will come with...
Jacques
From: "Ruth Hoffman" <rh...@aesolves.com>
> Hi BJ
> What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
> Thanks for all your help.
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the release zip.
>> the release zip never had jar files.
>> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible and I gave you a link to.
>> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site.
>> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>>> Hi BJ:
>>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>>
>>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi BJ
What I suggest is that we just call this a "draw" and move on.
Thanks for all your help.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
> You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the
> release zip.
> the release zip never had jar files.
> what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible
> and I gave you a link to.
> what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent
> 9.04 release and allow people to download from your site.
> then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
>
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
>> Hi BJ:
>> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
>> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
>> changes. Nothing new in that.
>>
>> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
>> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
>> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
>> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>>> how do you propose they do that?
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the
>>>>>> official
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page
>>>>>> (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>>> that is:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site.
>>>>>> IMHO, no
>>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>>> perspective:
>>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not
>>>>>>> just as
>>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>>>> Mind you
>>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the
>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of
>>>>>>>> Tomcat or
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or
>>>>>>>> whatever the
>>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well,
>>>>>>>> for a
>>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have
>>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug
>>>>>>>>>> fixes. And
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe
>>>>>>>>>> once a
>>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the
>>>>>>>>>> binary
>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional
>>>>>>>>>> version of
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required
>>>>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would
>>>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for
>>>>>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
You are still confusing nightly builds of the branch 9.04 with the
release zip.
the release zip never had jar files.
what you call release were the nightly builds that are still availible
and I gave you a link to.
what I suggest is you download the nightly build for the equivalent 9.04
release and allow people to download from your site.
then if fits all your criteria that you set out previously.
=========================
BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 12:12 PM:
> Hi BJ:
> Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
> what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
> changes. Nothing new in that.
>
> All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
> those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
> that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
> distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
>> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
>> how do you propose they do that?
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>>> Hi BJ:
>>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>>> that is:
>>>>>
>>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>>> perspective:
>>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>>> a release.
>>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>>> functional
>>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>>> involved
>>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>>> building
>>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi BJ:
Just the way it has always been done. You evaluate the download, decide
what changes you'd like to make, and then set about making those
changes. Nothing new in that.
All I'm suggesting is the we make the evaluation of OFBiz easier for
those who are new to the project by minimizing the possible problems
that may arise when getting started. Note, this was how OFBiz was
distributed as recently as 4 months ago. There is nothing new here!
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
> so someone download the file like you say it should be.
> then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
> how do you propose they do that?
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
>> Hi BJ:
>> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>
>>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>> that is:
>>>>
>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in
>>>> perspective:
>>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>>> development/source code site.]
>>>>
>>>> Prettty simple.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>>> a release.
>>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>>> functional
>>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>>> these
>>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user
>>>>>> attempts to
>>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is
>>>>>> involved
>>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and
>>>>>> building
>>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality,
>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I
>>>>>>>> thought
>>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an
>>>>>>>> official
>>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago.
>>>>>>>> Then,
>>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly
>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database
>>>>>>>>> upgrade
>>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
so someone download the file like you say it should be.
then they decide to know use ofbiz in production.
how do you propose they do that?
=========================
BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:01 AM:
> Hi BJ:
> Sorry, I don't understand your question.
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>>> Hi BJ:
>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>> that is:
>>>
>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>
>>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in perspective:
>>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>>> development/source code site.]
>>>
>>> Prettty simple.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>>> a release.
>>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>>> functional
>>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>>> the
>>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>>> these
>>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user attempts to
>>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong with the
>>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is involved
>>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and building
>>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>>> another
>>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I
>>>>>>> miss
>>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>>> many an
>>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>>> course,
>>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
>>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
>>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
>>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi BJ:
Sorry, I don't understand your question.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
>
> and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
>> Hi BJ:
>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>> that is:
>>
>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>
>> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
>> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
>> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in perspective:
>> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
>> development/source code site.]
>>
>> Prettty simple.
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>>> a release.
>>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>>> the demo is running in derby.
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully
>>>> functional
>>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or
>>>> the
>>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how
>>>> these
>>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user attempts to
>>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong with the
>>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>>
>>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is involved
>>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and building
>>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced
>>>> OFBiz
>>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to
>>>> another
>>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2cents.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in
>>>>>> order to
>>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I
>>>>>> miss
>>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
>>>>>> recent
>>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
>>>>>> many an
>>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
>>>>>> course,
>>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
>>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary
>>>>>> jar
>>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
>>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
>>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a
>>>>>>> must.
>>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
and what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz?
=========================
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Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
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Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 10:19 AM:
> Hi BJ:
> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz that is:
>
> Pre-built (all jar files included)
> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
> currently distributed database - which is Derby
> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>
> I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
> new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
> understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in perspective:
> You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
> development/source code site.]
>
> Prettty simple.
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
>> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
>> a release.
>> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
>> the demo is running in derby.
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>>> Hi BJ:
>>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully functional
>>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or the
>>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how these
>>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user attempts to
>>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong with the
>>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>>
>>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is involved
>>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and building
>>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced OFBiz
>>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to another
>>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>>
>>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>>
>>> Just my 2cents.
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>>
>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>>> Hi All:
>>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in order to
>>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I
>>>>> miss
>>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the recent
>>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement many an
>>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of course,
>>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
>>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>>> from
>>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>>> quarter.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary jar
>>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
>>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
>>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>>> even the
>>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
>>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>>> fixed
>>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
+1
=========================
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Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
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Adrian Crum sent the following on 8/26/2010 11:03 AM:
> On 8/26/2010 10:56 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> Hi Adrian:
>> Funny you should mention that. I've often thought of doing this...but I
>> don't have the resources right now. Maybe some day...
>
> And that is where the speeding train of idealism crashes into the brick
> wall of reality.
>
>> Regards
>> Ruth Hoffman
>>
>> Adrian Crum wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2010 10:19 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>>> that is:
>>>>
>>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>>
>>> That sounds like a valuable service that someone like yourself could
>>> provide.
>>>
>>> -Adrian
>>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
On 8/26/2010 10:56 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hi Adrian:
> Funny you should mention that. I've often thought of doing this...but I
> don't have the resources right now. Maybe some day...
And that is where the speeding train of idealism crashes into the brick
wall of reality.
> Regards
> Ruth Hoffman
>
> Adrian Crum wrote:
>> On 8/26/2010 10:19 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>>> Hi BJ:
>>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>>> that is:
>>>
>>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>>
>> That sounds like a valuable service that someone like yourself could
>> provide.
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi Adrian:
Funny you should mention that. I've often thought of doing this...but I
don't have the resources right now. Maybe some day...
Regards
Ruth Hoffman
Adrian Crum wrote:
> On 8/26/2010 10:19 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
>> Hi BJ:
>> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
>> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
>> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz
>> that is:
>>
>> Pre-built (all jar files included)
>> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
>> currently distributed database - which is Derby
>> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
>> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
>> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
>
> That sounds like a valuable service that someone like yourself could
> provide.
>
> -Adrian
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
On 8/26/2010 10:19 AM, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
> Hi BJ:
> My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
> Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
> provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz that is:
>
> Pre-built (all jar files included)
> Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
> currently distributed database - which is Derby
> And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
> included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
> participate and provide JIRA posts.)
That sounds like a valuable service that someone like yourself could
provide.
-Adrian
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi BJ:
My suggestion - as I have said many times before - is for the official
Apache OFBiz download page (http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html) to
provide a link to download of a "stable released" version of OFBiz that is:
Pre-built (all jar files included)
Has the seed, demo and all other available data loaded into the
currently distributed database - which is Derby
And the name of this file should have the SVN version number
included in it. (This is just in case someone like me would like to
participate and provide JIRA posts.)
I'm not concerned with developer's site or the snapshot site. IMHO, no
new user should ever be downloading from these sites unless they
understand upfront how all this works. [To keep this all in perspective:
You don't see the Tomcat people pointing new users to the
development/source code site.]
Prettty simple.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
> for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a
> nightly build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as
> a release.
> what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
> the demo is running in derby.
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
>> Hi BJ:
>> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
>> Release that is on the official download page should be fully functional
>> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or the
>> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how these
>> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user attempts to
>> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
>> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong with the
>> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>>
>> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is involved
>> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and building
>> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
>> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced OFBiz
>> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to another
>> project or simply downloading it again.
>>
>> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
>> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>>
>> Just my 2cents.
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>>
>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> did you mean Demo data.
>>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>>
>>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in order to
>>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I
>>>> miss
>>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the recent
>>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement many an
>>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of course,
>>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
>>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And
>>>> from
>>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>>> quarter.
>>>>
>>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary jar
>>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of
>>>> OFBiz
>>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
>>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
>>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here.
>>>>> OFBiz
>>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and
>>>>> even the
>>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
>>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be
>>>>> fixed
>>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>>
>>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much
>>>>> rather
>>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
for the sake of discussion lets say you have the equivalent of a nightly
build for the release, which btw you can get now, not just as a release.
what do you propose for those that decide to make use ofbiz? Mind you
the demo is running in derby.
=========================
BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:40 AM:
> Hi BJ:
> Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
> Release that is on the official download page should be fully functional
> out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or the
> Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how these
> work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user attempts to
> install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
> startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong with the
> download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
>
> In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is involved
> and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and building
> jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
> seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced OFBiz
> users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to another
> project or simply downloading it again.
>
> Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
> certainly a big deal to potential new users.
>
> Just my 2cents.
> Regards,
> Ruth
>
> BJ Freeman wrote:
>> did you mean Demo data.
>> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>
>>
>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>>> Hi All:
>>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>>
>>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in order to
>>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I miss
>>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the recent
>>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement many an
>>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of course,
>>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>>> developers working on the same code.
>>>
>>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
>>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And from
>>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>>> quarter.
>>>
>>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary jar
>>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of OFBiz
>>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
>>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
>>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ruth
>>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. OFBiz
>>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and even the
>>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
>>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be fixed
>>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>>
>>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much rather
>>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>>
>>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi BJ:
Sorry, my mistake. Yes, I meant seed and demo data. IMHO, the OFBiz
Release that is on the official download page should be fully functional
out-of-the-box. For example, if you download a version of Tomcat or the
Apache web server, you get a fully functional demonstration of how these
work out-of-the-box. The value in this is that if the user attempts to
install Tomcat and does not get the index.html page (or whatever the
startup page is these days) then they know something is wrong with the
download and/or with the unpacking of the code.
In the OFBiz case, because is at least one additional step is involved
and at least 2 more variables are thrown in the mix: Java and building
jar files & loading demo data - if something goes wrong, well, for a
seasoned user such as yourself, no big deal. But for inexperienced OFBiz
users, it may mean the difference between giving up and going to another
project or simply downloading it again.
Maybe no big deal to the developers who frequent this list. But
certainly a big deal to potential new users.
Just my 2cents.
Regards,
Ruth
BJ Freeman wrote:
> did you mean Demo data.
> with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>
>
> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
>> Hi All:
>> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>>
>> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in order to
>> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I miss
>> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the recent
>> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement many an
>> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of course,
>> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
>> developers working on the same code.
>>
>> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
>> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And from
>> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a
>> quarter.
>>
>> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary jar
>> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of OFBiz
>> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
>> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
>> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ruth
>> Matt Warnock wrote:
>>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. OFBiz
>>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and even the
>>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
>>> And that means recompiling the code.
>>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be fixed
>>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>>
>>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much rather
>>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>>
>>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
did you mean Demo data.
with seed data alone you can not even login to ofbiz.
=========================
BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/26/2010 9:04 AM:
> Hi All:
> I respectfully beg to differ here:
>
> There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in order to
> implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I miss
> the SVN version information that is no longer available in the recent
> "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement many an
> OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of course,
> I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have multiple
> developers working on the same code.
>
> Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
> once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And from
> past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a quarter.
>
> This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary jar
> files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of OFBiz
> - one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
> Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
> someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
>
> Regards,
> Ruth
> Matt Warnock wrote:
>> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. OFBiz
>> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and even the
>> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
>> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
>> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
>> And that means recompiling the code.
>> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be fixed
>> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>>
>> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much rather
>> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
>> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>>
>> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Ruth Hoffman <rh...@aesolves.com>.
Hi All:
I respectfully beg to differ here:
There is no reason for a small business to have to use SVN in order to
implement OFBiz. While it is nice to have that functionality, and I
miss the SVN version information that is no longer available in the
recent "releases" from the download site, I've successfully implement
many an OFBiz application without ever using the SVN functionality. Of
course, I'm just one developer - SVN really shines when you have
multiple developers working on the same code.
Secondly, why would the compiled binary always be updated? I thought
once a "Release" was released, the only updates are bug fixes. And from
past conversations on this list, those only happen - maybe once a quarter.
This is not rocket science. The proposal to re-instate the binary jar
files and install the seed-data for a fully functional version of OFBiz
- one that runs out-of-the-box, is what was available as an official
Apache OFBiz Release and download as recently as 4 months ago. Then,
someone decided (ok Adrian, say what you must) to change this.
Regards,
Ruth
Matt Warnock wrote:
> I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. OFBiz
> is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and even the
> branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
> download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
> updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
> And that means recompiling the code.
>
> As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be fixed
> so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
>
> As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much rather
> see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
> issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
>
> Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Matt Warnock <mw...@ridgecrestherbals.com>.
I have to agree with Scott, there is no big effort required here. OFBiz
is a development platform, it is constantly being updated, and even the
branches are getting new fixes constantly. It is inefficient to
download a "compiled binary distribution" which is constantly being
updated, so learning to use SVN, even for branches, is really a must.
And that means recompiling the code.
As someone pointed out earlier, the instructions just need to be fixed
so that new user expectations are appropriately managed.
As to the effort of creating a binary distribution, I would much rather
see that same effort spent on solving the in-place database upgrade
issues that have been discussed here for some time, for example.
Those bit me on the butt this week. :-)
--
Matt Warnock <mw...@ridgecrestherbals.com>
RidgeCrest Herbals, Inc.
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 16:20 +0530, Raj Saini wrote:
> I don't think any problem with it as a developer. However, a binary only
> release should not have build time tool chain. For binary only release,
> there will not be a build.xml and no ant.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raj
>
> On 26/08/10 15:57, Scott Gray wrote:
> > ant run-install
> > could someone explain to me what is so difficult about the command that we need to look at big efforts to fix something that isn't broken?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Scott
> >
> > On 26/08/2010, at 9:07 PM, Raj Saini wrote:
> >
> >
> >> There are plenty of applications around now a days. Technologies like JPA, Hibernate allows creation of tables on the fly. Take example of Liferay Portal Server and it gives you a portal configured with demo data.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Raj
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26/08/10 13:19, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >>
> >>> can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or Seed (production data). for that mater can you show me a app that initializes the db structure, as ofbiz does?
> >>>
> >>> as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or demo. it should lead you through the technical setup.
> >>> see
> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide
> >>>
> >>> Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs.
> >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852
> >>>
> >>> so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db.
> >>> however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize the new DB.
> >>> Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server.
> >>>
> >>> feel free to contribute.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> =========================
> >>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> >>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> >>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> >>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
> >>>
> >>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
> >>> Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using
> >>>> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file.
> >>>>
> >>>> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only
> >>>> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can
> >>>> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no
> >>>> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in
> >>>> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib
> >>>> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build
> >>>> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some
> >>>> time soon and work on it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Raj
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided.
> >>>>> and they do a startofbiz
> >>>>> what will happen?
> >>>>> lots of errors and support as now.
> >>>>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data.
> >>>>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find.
> >>>>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started
> >>>>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every
> >>>>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ.
> >>>>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of
> >>>>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from
> >>>>> new users on how to setup.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> why you could even write another book about it.
> >>>>> (smiles)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =========================
> >>>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> >>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> >>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> >>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> >>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Jacques,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the other ASF
> >>>>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most
> >>>>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first
> >>>>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF
> >>>>>> website.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current
> >>>>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and
> >>>>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Ruth
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jacques
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux"<ja...@les7arts.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jacques
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<bj...@free-man.net>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason you
> >>>>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official release.
> >>>>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I
> >>>>>>>>> support.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the
> >>>>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with
> >>>>>>>>>> the jar
> >>>>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what that
> >>>>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the
> >>>>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time.
> >>>>>>>>>> Then, one
> >>>>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold -
> >>>>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already
> >>>>>>>>>> packaged
> >>>>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of
> >>>>>>>>>> events,
> >>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure to how
> >>>>>>>>>> things are done here, would think.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>> Ruth
> >>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip)
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 .
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code
> >>>>>>>>>>> minus all
> >>>>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate
> >>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the
> >>>>>>>>>>> branch and
> >>>>>>>>>>> nigthly builds.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn.
> >>>>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded.
> >>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
> >>>>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> =========================
> >>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way
> >>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The jar
> >>>>>>>>>>>> file
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6
> >>>>>>>>>>>> months
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build
> >>>>>>>>>>>> process as
> >>>>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create
> >>>>>>>>>>>> all the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build
> >>>>>>>>>>>> instructions,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code (Release
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04)"
> >>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day
> >>>>>>>>>>>> since the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out
> >>>>>>>>>>>> by the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> builds.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It created a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> directory
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> executed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not found.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded zip
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Raj Saini <ra...@gmail.com>.
I don't think any problem with it as a developer. However, a binary only
release should not have build time tool chain. For binary only release,
there will not be a build.xml and no ant.
Thanks,
Raj
On 26/08/10 15:57, Scott Gray wrote:
> ant run-install
> could someone explain to me what is so difficult about the command that we need to look at big efforts to fix something that isn't broken?
>
> Thanks
> Scott
>
> On 26/08/2010, at 9:07 PM, Raj Saini wrote:
>
>
>> There are plenty of applications around now a days. Technologies like JPA, Hibernate allows creation of tables on the fly. Take example of Liferay Portal Server and it gives you a portal configured with demo data.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Raj
>>
>>
>> On 26/08/10 13:19, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or Seed (production data). for that mater can you show me a app that initializes the db structure, as ofbiz does?
>>>
>>> as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or demo. it should lead you through the technical setup.
>>> see
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide
>>>
>>> Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs.
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852
>>>
>>> so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db.
>>> however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize the new DB.
>>> Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server.
>>>
>>> feel free to contribute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation<http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>> Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using
>>>> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file.
>>>>
>>>> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only
>>>> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can
>>>> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no
>>>> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in
>>>> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib
>>>> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build
>>>> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some
>>>> time soon and work on it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Raj
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided.
>>>>> and they do a startofbiz
>>>>> what will happen?
>>>>> lots of errors and support as now.
>>>>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data.
>>>>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production.
>>>>>
>>>>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find.
>>>>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started
>>>>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every
>>>>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ.
>>>>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of
>>>>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from
>>>>> new users on how to setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> why you could even write another book about it.
>>>>> (smiles)
>>>>>
>>>>> =========================
>>>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>
>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the other ASF
>>>>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most
>>>>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first
>>>>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF
>>>>>> website.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current
>>>>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and
>>>>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux"<ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman"<bj...@free-man.net>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason you
>>>>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official release.
>>>>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I
>>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the
>>>>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with
>>>>>>>>>> the jar
>>>>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what that
>>>>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the
>>>>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time.
>>>>>>>>>> Then, one
>>>>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold -
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already
>>>>>>>>>> packaged
>>>>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of
>>>>>>>>>> events,
>>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure to how
>>>>>>>>>> things are done here, would think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds
>>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip)
>>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code
>>>>>>>>>>> minus all
>>>>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the
>>>>>>>>>>> branch and
>>>>>>>>>>> nigthly builds.
>>>>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn.
>>>>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded.
>>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
>>>>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman<http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com<http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way
>>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is
>>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The jar
>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6
>>>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build
>>>>>>>>>>>> process as
>>>>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create
>>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build
>>>>>>>>>>>> instructions,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code (Release
>>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04)"
>>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day
>>>>>>>>>>>> since the
>>>>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out
>>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the
>>>>>>>>>>>> builds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It created a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not found.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded zip
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
ant run-install
could someone explain to me what is so difficult about the command that we need to look at big efforts to fix something that isn't broken?
Thanks
Scott
On 26/08/2010, at 9:07 PM, Raj Saini wrote:
> There are plenty of applications around now a days. Technologies like JPA, Hibernate allows creation of tables on the fly. Take example of Liferay Portal Server and it gives you a portal configured with demo data.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raj
>
>
> On 26/08/10 13:19, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or Seed (production data). for that mater can you show me a app that initializes the db structure, as ofbiz does?
>>
>> as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or demo. it should lead you through the technical setup.
>> see
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide
>>
>> Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs.
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852
>>
>> so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db.
>> however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize the new DB.
>> Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server.
>>
>> feel free to contribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>> Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM:
>>
>>
>>> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using
>>> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file.
>>>
>>> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only
>>> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can
>>> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no
>>> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in
>>> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib
>>> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build
>>> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some
>>> time soon and work on it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Raj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided.
>>>> and they do a startofbiz
>>>> what will happen?
>>>> lots of errors and support as now.
>>>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data.
>>>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production.
>>>>
>>>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find.
>>>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started
>>>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs.
>>>>
>>>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every
>>>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ.
>>>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of
>>>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from
>>>> new users on how to setup.
>>>>
>>>> why you could even write another book about it.
>>>> (smiles)
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM:
>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the other ASF
>>>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most
>>>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first
>>>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF
>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current
>>>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and
>>>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>>>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason you
>>>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official release.
>>>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the
>>>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with
>>>>>>>>> the jar
>>>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what that
>>>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the
>>>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time.
>>>>>>>>> Then, one
>>>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold -
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already
>>>>>>>>> packaged
>>>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of
>>>>>>>>> events,
>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure to how
>>>>>>>>> things are done here, would think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds
>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip)
>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code
>>>>>>>>>> minus all
>>>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the
>>>>>>>>>> branch and
>>>>>>>>>> nigthly builds.
>>>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn.
>>>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded.
>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
>>>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is
>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The jar
>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6
>>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build
>>>>>>>>>>> process as
>>>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create
>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build
>>>>>>>>>>> instructions,
>>>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code (Release
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04)"
>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day
>>>>>>>>>>> since the
>>>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out
>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the
>>>>>>>>>>> builds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It created a
>>>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and
>>>>>>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message.
>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program
>>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java"
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not found.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded zip
>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by BJ Freeman <bj...@free-man.net>.
The focal point of the thread was when someone, not knowledgeable,
downloads ofbiz how much should they know before using it.
currently the Demo allows someone to run obiz to see how it works,
however derby is not a production db and the db needs to be changed.
creating tables on the fly is not the issue, since that is a standard
Database function. Also Hibernate uses only one database. Ofbiz uses
something similar to JPA so that is not the issue.
It is determining which database use, then installing the proper data
Production (seed and ext). So the default db (derby) can be used for
Demo data.
However if you use mysql, postgres or any of the others that requires
setup of the entityengine.xml.
If you running in ofbiz under a setup program this requires a restart of
ofbiz.
At this point in ofbiz development, the Build.xml provides the ability
to generate this, after manually setting up the entityengine.xml
The added step that is not present in ofbiz for setup is to transfer the
setup that has been generated so far in derby to the new database that
had been initialize.
So one question is for Releases do we want to have them as demos.
if yes it is a no brainier to compile and load the datga like is done
for the nightly builds.
However when you switch to production requires a lot of configuration.
Though ofbiz has developed a framework for setup, it is far from doing
all that is necessary.
Having a binary only though is a different story. the Only compiled
executable code that makes the jars, is java. However the minilang is
interpreted on the fly and can not be removed as well as the FTL
template for Widgets.
=========================
BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
Raj Saini sent the following on 8/26/2010 2:07 AM:
> There are plenty of applications around now a days. Technologies like
> JPA, Hibernate allows creation of tables on the fly. Take example of
> Liferay Portal Server and it gives you a portal configured with demo data.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raj
>
>
> On 26/08/10 13:19, BJ Freeman wrote:
>> can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or
>> Seed (production data). for that mater can you show me a app that
>> initializes the db structure, as ofbiz does?
>>
>> as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup
>> component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or
>> demo. it should lead you through the technical setup.
>> see
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide
>>
>>
>> Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs.
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852
>>
>> so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the
>> Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db.
>> however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize
>> the new DB.
>> Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server.
>>
>> feel free to contribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> =========================
>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>
>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>> Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM:
>>
>>
>>> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using
>>> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file.
>>>
>>> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only
>>> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can
>>> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no
>>> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in
>>> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib
>>> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build
>>> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some
>>> time soon and work on it.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Raj
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided.
>>>> and they do a startofbiz
>>>> what will happen?
>>>> lots of errors and support as now.
>>>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data.
>>>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production.
>>>>
>>>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find.
>>>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started
>>>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs.
>>>>
>>>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every
>>>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ.
>>>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of
>>>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from
>>>> new users on how to setup.
>>>>
>>>> why you could even write another book about it.
>>>> (smiles)
>>>>
>>>> =========================
>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>
>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM:
>>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>>
>>>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the
>>>>> other ASF
>>>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most
>>>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first
>>>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF
>>>>> website.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current
>>>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and
>>>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>>>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official
>>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM:
>>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the
>>>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with
>>>>>>>>> the jar
>>>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the
>>>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time.
>>>>>>>>> Then, one
>>>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold -
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already
>>>>>>>>> packaged
>>>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of
>>>>>>>>> events,
>>>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure
>>>>>>>>> to how
>>>>>>>>> things are done here, would think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds
>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip)
>>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 .
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code
>>>>>>>>>> minus all
>>>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the
>>>>>>>>>> branch and
>>>>>>>>>> nigthly builds.
>>>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn.
>>>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded.
>>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
>>>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu:
>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way
>>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is
>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The
>>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6
>>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build
>>>>>>>>>>> process as
>>>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create
>>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build
>>>>>>>>>>> instructions,
>>>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code
>>>>>>>>>>> (Release
>>>>>>>>>>> 9.04)"
>>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day
>>>>>>>>>>> since the
>>>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out
>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the
>>>>>>>>>>> builds.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> created a
>>>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and
>>>>>>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message.
>>>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program
>>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java"
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx
>>>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> not found.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>>> zip
>>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Setup of ofbiz, was Unable to find ofbiz.jar file
Posted by Raj Saini <ra...@gmail.com>.
There are plenty of applications around now a days. Technologies like
JPA, Hibernate allows creation of tables on the fly. Take example of
Liferay Portal Server and it gives you a portal configured with demo data.
Thanks,
Raj
On 26/08/10 13:19, BJ Freeman wrote:
> can you name me a project that has the option to load demo data or
> Seed (production data). for that mater can you show me a app that
> initializes the db structure, as ofbiz does?
>
> as far a ant, the effort should be to move installation into the Setup
> component, with screens to ask you which setup you want, production or
> demo. it should lead you through the technical setup.
> see
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/Apache+OFBiz+Technical+Production+Setup+Guide
>
>
> Then you have the setup for the type of business one runs.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-3852
>
> so first you use derby to do initial setup then after you setup the
> Entityengine.xml the setup to that stage is transferred to the new db.
> however ofbiz would, first, need to do a cold reboot and initialize
> the new DB.
> Oh yes this setup is usually running on a remote server.
>
> feel free to contribute.
>
>
>
> =========================
> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>
> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
> Raj Saini sent the following on 8/25/2010 8:28 PM:
>
>
>> Should it not be possible to load the demo or seed data without using
>> Ant? It think it is possible using startofbiz.sh or startofbiz.bat file.
>>
>> Most of the other Apache project provides a binary only and source only
>> releases. And this reduces the size of the tar balls and people can
>> download what suite them better. Problem with OFBiz is there is a no
>> binary only distribution as compiled code stays within the source in
>> build folder. Ideally, all compiled jars should be moved out to lib
>> after building the jars. This should be possible by tweaking the build
>> scripts. I have this in my mind for long and hopefully, I will get some
>> time soon and work on it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Raj
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26/08/10 04:15, BJ Freeman wrote:
>>> lets assume for a moment that the jar files are provided.
>>> and they do a startofbiz
>>> what will happen?
>>> lots of errors and support as now.
>>> Ok lets assume we also install the demo data.
>>> now we are ask how to remove the demo data and install for production.
>>>
>>> ofbiz is not the standard App you find.
>>> In my opinion, the way it is setup up the basic question like started
>>> this thread, can be answered by pointing people to the correct docs.
>>>
>>> Until there is sufficient documentation to take someone through every
>>> single step with diagram and screen shots, as wall as a end-user FAQ.
>>> we will have support questins. Oh wait Microsoft spends thousand of
>>> Dollars to do this for Word yet everyday they get support calls from
>>> new users on how to setup.
>>>
>>> why you could even write another book about it.
>>> (smiles)
>>>
>>> =========================
>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>
>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>
>>>
>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 1:23 PM:
>>>> Hi Jacques,
>>>>
>>>> Now that you've brought up the topic, I wonder why most of the
>>>> other ASF
>>>> projects provide jar files with their distributions? In fact, most
>>>> others provide jar (or other binary) files as the primary and first
>>>> download link that you find when navigating to the project's ASF
>>>> website.
>>>>
>>>> Just curious as to how someone here came up with the current
>>>> interpretation of the ASF rules on releases and then went ahead and
>>>> organized the "official" download page as it stands today.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ruth
>>>>
>>>> Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>>> To be more clear, it's induced by ASF rules on releases
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>>> Thanks for your support BJ!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: "BJ Freeman" <bj...@free-man.net>
>>>>>>> the reason the nightly builds were hidden is for the very reason
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> express, they are for testing and debugging not for official
>>>>>>> release.
>>>>>>> I gave you the link to them. I use them for the demo-trunk that I
>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 9:57 AM:
>>>>>>>> Hi BJ:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps, but as recently as 4 months ago - one could go to the
>>>>>>>> "official" download page and get a build already packaged with
>>>>>>>> the jar
>>>>>>>> files and the seed data loaded. (Personally, I don't care what
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> build was called. It existed and was easy to find by following the
>>>>>>>> download links). I wrote extensively about it for some time.
>>>>>>>> Then, one
>>>>>>>> day, I went to the "official" download site and lo-and-behold -
>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>> had changed. Too bad because the fact that stuff was already
>>>>>>>> packaged
>>>>>>>> and ready to go was a great selling point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All I can say is that if I was a little surprised at the turn of
>>>>>>>> events,
>>>>>>>> I can only imagine what potential users without much exposure
>>>>>>>> to how
>>>>>>>> things are done here, would think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyhow, it doesn't really matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Ruth
>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ruth I think your confusing the Nightly builds
>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> with the Final Release(apache-ofbiz-09.04.zip)
>>>>>>>>> http://ofbiz.apache.org/download.html#release-09.04 .
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the Final release has not changed it format. it is the code
>>>>>>>>> minus all
>>>>>>>>> the svn tags for versioning. it also has a check sum to validate
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> downloaded the full zip file.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> up till the final release of 9.04(zip) there were only the
>>>>>>>>> branch and
>>>>>>>>> nigthly builds.
>>>>>>>>> The Branch is source code only and access via the svn.
>>>>>>>>> the nightly builds are compiled and have the demo data loaded.
>>>>>>>>> http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
>>>>>>>>> as you can see you can pick dates of nightly builds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =========================
>>>>>>>>> BJ Freeman <http://bjfreeman.elance.com>
>>>>>>>>> Strategic Power Office with Supplier Automation
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.businessesnetwork.com/automation/viewforum.php?f=52>
>>>>>>>>> Specialtymarket.com <http://www.specialtymarket.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Systems Integrator-- Glad to Assist
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chat Y! messenger: bjfr33man
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman sent the following on 8/25/2010 7:58 AM:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Laxmiraghu:
>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, the project recently decided to change the way
>>>>>>>>>> OFBiz is
>>>>>>>>>> distributed. And, they pretty much forgot to tell anyone. The
>>>>>>>>>> jar
>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>> is no longer part of the distribution as it was as recently as 6
>>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>>> ago. You MUST now build OFBiz prior to startup. The build
>>>>>>>>>> process as
>>>>>>>>>> described in various locations around the community will create
>>>>>>>>>> all the
>>>>>>>>>> necessary jar files.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For more information on this including very simple build
>>>>>>>>>> instructions,
>>>>>>>>>> you may download my free document "How To Get OFBiz Code
>>>>>>>>>> (Release
>>>>>>>>>> 9.04)"
>>>>>>>>>> at http://www.myofbiz.com/cms01
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTW, inclusion of the necessary jar files could change any day
>>>>>>>>>> since the
>>>>>>>>>> decision to do such things appear to be arbitrarily arrived out
>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>> project commiters or whoever is responsible for setting up the
>>>>>>>>>> builds.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good luck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ruth Hoffman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> laxmiraghu wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Recently i downloaded ofbiz 9.04 version for windows.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I installed mysql and java 6 and set the JAVA_HOME variable.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I unpacked the ofbiz downloaded zip file to C drive. It
>>>>>>>>>>> created a
>>>>>>>>>>> directory
>>>>>>>>>>> 'apache-ofbiz-09.04'.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As per the documentation, i went to the above directory and
>>>>>>>>>>> executed
>>>>>>>>>>> 'startofbiz.bat' command.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But it gave the following error message.
>>>>>>>>>>> C:\apache-ofbiz-09.04>"C:\Program
>>>>>>>>>>> Files\Java\jdk1.6.0_21\bin\java"
>>>>>>>>>>> -Xms128M
>>>>>>>>>>> -Xmx
>>>>>>>>>>> 512M -jar ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to access jarfile ofbiz.jar
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's unable to find ofbiz.jar file.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also searched for ofbiz.jar file in entire apache-ofbiz-09.04
>>>>>>>>>>> folder. It's
>>>>>>>>>>> not found.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where can i find that file? Hope it's part of the downloaded
>>>>>>>>>>> zip
>>>>>>>>>>> file.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please help.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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