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Posted to derby-dev@db.apache.org by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com> on 2011/06/10 17:10:38 UTC
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
I sent a message to the user list two weeks ago but haven't seen any
responses yet. I would like your advice about what the next step is.
Here are some possibilities:
1) Send a follow-up message to the user list, asking for volunteer
plugin builders.
2) Shrug this off as an example of raising an issue too soon. When 10.9
appears without plugins, then the people who are affected will make
themselves known. At that time they can figure out who will build the
plugins and where they will host them.
Thanks,
-Rick
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>.
On 6/10/11 5:55 PM, Dave Brosius wrote:
> Curious, is the intention to have someone push this code base to a
> different source code repository, rather than with derby at Apache? Or
> is this change only a release management issue?
Hi Dave,
This is a release management issue. So far, no-one has suggested
removing any source code from the Derby repository.
Regards,
-Rick
>
>
>
> On 06/10/2011 01:57 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>> On 6/10/11 9:24 AM, Kathey Marsden wrote:
>>> On 6/10/2011 9:06 AM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>>>> I have already sent a message to the user list with that
>>>> information but under the less eye-catching subject line "future of
>>>> the Eclipse plugins". Do you think that I should re-send the
>>>> message with your revised subject line?
>>> I think so and just reiterate that noone has volunteered so far, so
>>> we don't anticipate them being available anywhere unless someone does.
>> Thanks. I'll put off doing this for a couple more days in case other
>> people want to offer advice about how to approach derby-user.
>>>
>>>>> Then when people claim surprise when 10.9 comes out, we will
>>>>> least have that announcement to point to.
>>>>> A blurb on the website might be good too.
>>>> Where do you think that blurb should go. On the top level download
>>>> page?
>>>>
>>> I think that would be good.
>> I have just added a blurb to the top level download page. Hopefully,
>> it will be visible in an hour or so.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Rick
>>>
>>> Thanks for coordinating this. I am not sure how many people pick up
>>> on such warnings, but I do know from past experience that the
>>> surprised and angry ones that don't until it slaps them in the
>>> face, are more understanding after they see the efforts that were
>>> made to warn them.
>>>
>>> We should also include the information in the 10.8.2 release
>>> announcement which will extend beyond the Derby community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Kathey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
Posted by Dave Brosius <db...@apache.org>.
Curious, is the intention to have someone push this code base to a
different source code repository, rather than with derby at Apache? Or
is this change only a release management issue?
On 06/10/2011 01:57 PM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
> On 6/10/11 9:24 AM, Kathey Marsden wrote:
>> On 6/10/2011 9:06 AM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>>> I have already sent a message to the user list with that information
>>> but under the less eye-catching subject line "future of the Eclipse
>>> plugins". Do you think that I should re-send the message with your
>>> revised subject line?
>> I think so and just reiterate that noone has volunteered so far, so
>> we don't anticipate them being available anywhere unless someone does.
> Thanks. I'll put off doing this for a couple more days in case other
> people want to offer advice about how to approach derby-user.
>>
>>>> Then when people claim surprise when 10.9 comes out, we will least
>>>> have that announcement to point to.
>>>> A blurb on the website might be good too.
>>> Where do you think that blurb should go. On the top level download
>>> page?
>>>
>> I think that would be good.
> I have just added a blurb to the top level download page. Hopefully,
> it will be visible in an hour or so.
>
> Thanks,
> -Rick
>>
>> Thanks for coordinating this. I am not sure how many people pick up
>> on such warnings, but I do know from past experience that the
>> surprised and angry ones that don't until it slaps them in the face,
>> are more understanding after they see the efforts that were made to
>> warn them.
>>
>> We should also include the information in the 10.8.2 release
>> announcement which will extend beyond the Derby community.
>>
>>
>> Kathey
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>.
On 6/10/11 9:24 AM, Kathey Marsden wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 9:06 AM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>> I have already sent a message to the user list with that information
>> but under the less eye-catching subject line "future of the Eclipse
>> plugins". Do you think that I should re-send the message with your
>> revised subject line?
> I think so and just reiterate that noone has volunteered so far, so we
> don't anticipate them being available anywhere unless someone does.
Thanks. I'll put off doing this for a couple more days in case other
people want to offer advice about how to approach derby-user.
>
>>> Then when people claim surprise when 10.9 comes out, we will least
>>> have that announcement to point to.
>>> A blurb on the website might be good too.
>> Where do you think that blurb should go. On the top level download page?
>>
> I think that would be good.
I have just added a blurb to the top level download page. Hopefully, it
will be visible in an hour or so.
Thanks,
-Rick
>
> Thanks for coordinating this. I am not sure how many people pick up
> on such warnings, but I do know from past experience that the
> surprised and angry ones that don't until it slaps them in the face,
> are more understanding after they see the efforts that were made to
> warn them.
>
> We should also include the information in the 10.8.2 release
> announcement which will extend beyond the Derby community.
>
>
> Kathey
>
>
>
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 6/10/2011 9:06 AM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
> I have already sent a message to the user list with that information
> but under the less eye-catching subject line "future of the Eclipse
> plugins". Do you think that I should re-send the message with your
> revised subject line?
I think so and just reiterate that noone has volunteered so far, so we
don't anticipate them being available anywhere unless someone does.
>> Then when people claim surprise when 10.9 comes out, we will least
>> have that announcement to point to.
>> A blurb on the website might be good too.
> Where do you think that blurb should go. On the top level download page?
>
I think that would be good.
Thanks for coordinating this. I am not sure how many people pick up on
such warnings, but I do know from past experience that the surprised and
angry ones that don't until it slaps them in the face, are more
understanding after they see the efforts that were made to warn them.
We should also include the information in the 10.8.2 release
announcement which will extend beyond the Derby community.
Kathey
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
Posted by Rick Hillegas <ri...@oracle.com>.
Thanks for the quick response, Kathey. A couple of follow-up questions
inline...
On 6/10/11 8:58 AM, Kathey Marsden wrote:
> On 6/10/2011 8:10 AM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
>> I sent a message to the user list two weeks ago but haven't seen any
>> responses yet. I would like your advice about what the next step is.
>> Here are some possibilities:
>>
>> 1) Send a follow-up message to the user list, asking for volunteer
>> plugin builders.
>>
>> 2) Shrug this off as an example of raising an issue too soon. When
>> 10.9 appears without plugins, then the people who are affected will
>> make themselves known. At that time they can figure out who will
>> build the plugins and where they will host them.
>>
>
> I think a mail to the user list would be good to announce that the
> plugins will not be included in 10.9 and that anyone who wants them
> should make efforts to build and host them. Invite anyone who would
> like to do so to post to derby-dev to get historical information they
> might need for migrating them to a new home. I think some sort of tag
> in the title would be good to catch people's attention, e.g. [NOTICE]
> Eclipse plugins will be removed from Derby.
I have already sent a message to the user list with that information but
under the less eye-catching subject line "future of the Eclipse
plugins". Do you think that I should re-send the message with your
revised subject line?
> Then when people claim surprise when 10.9 comes out, we will least
> have that announcement to point to.
> A blurb on the website might be good too.
Where do you think that blurb should go. On the top level download page?
Thanks,
-Rick
Re: draft of message to derby-user concerning the future of the Eclipse
plugins
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
On 6/10/2011 8:10 AM, Rick Hillegas wrote:
> I sent a message to the user list two weeks ago but haven't seen any
> responses yet. I would like your advice about what the next step is.
> Here are some possibilities:
>
> 1) Send a follow-up message to the user list, asking for volunteer
> plugin builders.
>
> 2) Shrug this off as an example of raising an issue too soon. When
> 10.9 appears without plugins, then the people who are affected will
> make themselves known. At that time they can figure out who will build
> the plugins and where they will host them.
>
I think a mail to the user list would be good to announce that the
plugins will not be included in 10.9 and that anyone who wants them
should make efforts to build and host them. Invite anyone who would
like to do so to post to derby-dev to get historical information they
might need for migrating them to a new home. I think some sort of tag
in the title would be good to catch people's attention, e.g. [NOTICE]
Eclipse plugins will be removed from Derby.
Then when people claim surprise when 10.9 comes out, we will least have
that announcement to point to.
A blurb on the website might be good too.