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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by Richard Liang <ri...@gmail.com> on 2006/03/01 14:07:20 UTC
Sorry for making trouble for vote
Dear Geir,
Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read your
notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
--
Richard Liang
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>.
On 02/03/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> >
> > If somebody sees an iceberg while dancing on the deck of the titanic, I
> > would want the captains to know sooner rather than later ;-)
>
> Now there's a positive thought...
>
> Maybe that will be the 'codename' for our first milestone when we have
> the VM and things clicking...
>
> Apache Harmony "Titanic"
>
> Maybe we can work on a general theme of "Great Maritime Disasters". We
> could have the Edmund Fitzgerald, the Sultana, ....
LOL!
If naming milestones after disasters is a "positive thought", I dread
to think what your "negative thoughts" might be like. ;-)
-Mark.
--
Mark Hindess <ma...@googlemail.com>
IBM Java Technology Centre, UK.
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Richard Liang wrote:
>> Dear Geir,
>>
>> Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read
>> your notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
>
> Richard,
>
> committers make 'binding' votes, but votes from the community are as
> important because they stimulate participation and signal information to
> those steering the ship forward.
>
> If somebody sees an iceberg while dancing on the deck of the titanic, I
> would want the captains to know sooner rather than later ;-)
Now there's a positive thought...
Maybe that will be the 'codename' for our first milestone when we have
the VM and things clicking...
Apache Harmony "Titanic"
Maybe we can work on a general theme of "Great Maritime Disasters". We
could have the Edmund Fitzgerald, the Sultana, ....
geir
>
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Richard Liang wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your encouragement, Stefano. I will try to participate
> as much as possible ;-)
Welcome on board!
And I must remind everybody: this is a volunteer project, even if it has
such important and difficult goals. This means that if you're not having
fun participating, somebody (either you or us) is doing something wrong.
Scratch your own itch, make it do the things *you* care for it,
contribute what you can and don't feel guilty if you can't contribute
what you would want to.
;-)
>
> Richard Liang
> China Software Development Lab, IBM
>
>
>
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>> Richard Liang wrote:
>>> Dear Geir,
>>>
>>> Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read
>>> your notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> committers make 'binding' votes, but votes from the community are as
>> important because they stimulate participation and signal information
>> to those steering the ship forward.
>>
>> If somebody sees an iceberg while dancing on the deck of the titanic,
>> I would want the captains to know sooner rather than later ;-)
>>
>
--
Stefano.
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Richard Liang <ri...@gmail.com>.
Thanks a lot for your encouragement, Stefano. I will try to participate
as much as possible ;-)
Richard Liang
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Richard Liang wrote:
>> Dear Geir,
>>
>> Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read
>> your notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
>
> Richard,
>
> committers make 'binding' votes, but votes from the community are as
> important because they stimulate participation and signal information
> to those steering the ship forward.
>
> If somebody sees an iceberg while dancing on the deck of the titanic,
> I would want the captains to know sooner rather than later ;-)
>
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Richard Liang wrote:
> Dear Geir,
>
> Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read your
> notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
Richard,
committers make 'binding' votes, but votes from the community are as
important because they stimulate participation and signal information to
those steering the ship forward.
If somebody sees an iceberg while dancing on the deck of the titanic, I
would want the captains to know sooner rather than later ;-)
--
Stefano.
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Richard Liang <ri...@gmail.com>.
Thanks a lot, Geir. :-)
Richard Liang
China Software Development Lab, IBM
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> *Absolutely* no trouble!
>
> Everyone is invited, nay *encouraged* to vote, because everyone's
> opinion should be taken into consideration for things like this,
> committer or not.
>
> <hat type="mentor">
>
> Info :
>
> *Legally* speaking, the only votes that count are those of the project
> PMC (Project Management Committee), when graduated from incubator, or
> the Incubator PMC, when in incubator. The goal is to have 100% of the
> committers on the PMC for any project, of course, although that's
> rarely realized for a number of reasons.
>
> That said, if you have the situation where the PMC is going a
> different direction from the committers, or the community at large, it
> better be a very exceptional situation!
>
> The idea of the PMC is not to establish any kind of hierarchy or
> bestow status or magical powers on individuals, but simply organize
> the structure of ASF projects in a way that's aligned with US
> Corporate law in a way that a lawyer and a court would recognize
> (because the ASF is a US non-profit corporation.)
>
> Thus, the membership of the ASF elects a Board of Directors (like
> stockholders appoint a corporate board), and the Board then authorizes
> the creation of Top Level Projects and appoints an individual, the PMC
> Chair, as an ASF corporate officer, to oversee the project's PMC. The
> point is just to have visible and defendable accountability for the
> actions of a project done in the name of the ASF (accepting code,
> adding committers, making releases, etc)
>
> The Harmony PPMC is really like a "provisional" PMC that goes through
> the motions in preparation of being a fully-empowered PMC, but it has
> no legally binding authority. However, the Incubator PMC, in it's
> role of oversight, will simply "rubberstamp" any PPMC decision as long
> as it's sane and proper. The PPMC decision for things like code
> acceptance and releases are done in public, and implicit w/in the
> general vote (which is why we don't call out for a special PPMC-only
> vote...) We learn by doing.
> </hat>
>
> geir
>
> (Also - participation is how people get to become committers, too :)
> Keep participating :))
>
> Richard Liang wrote:
>> Dear Geir,
>>
>> Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read
>> your notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
>>
>
Re: Sorry for making trouble for vote
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
*Absolutely* no trouble!
Everyone is invited, nay *encouraged* to vote, because everyone's
opinion should be taken into consideration for things like this,
committer or not.
<hat type="mentor">
Info :
*Legally* speaking, the only votes that count are those of the project
PMC (Project Management Committee), when graduated from incubator, or
the Incubator PMC, when in incubator. The goal is to have 100% of the
committers on the PMC for any project, of course, although that's rarely
realized for a number of reasons.
That said, if you have the situation where the PMC is going a different
direction from the committers, or the community at large, it better be a
very exceptional situation!
The idea of the PMC is not to establish any kind of hierarchy or bestow
status or magical powers on individuals, but simply organize the
structure of ASF projects in a way that's aligned with US Corporate law
in a way that a lawyer and a court would recognize (because the ASF is a
US non-profit corporation.)
Thus, the membership of the ASF elects a Board of Directors (like
stockholders appoint a corporate board), and the Board then authorizes
the creation of Top Level Projects and appoints an individual, the PMC
Chair, as an ASF corporate officer, to oversee the project's PMC. The
point is just to have visible and defendable accountability for the
actions of a project done in the name of the ASF (accepting code, adding
committers, making releases, etc)
The Harmony PPMC is really like a "provisional" PMC that goes through
the motions in preparation of being a fully-empowered PMC, but it has no
legally binding authority. However, the Incubator PMC, in it's role of
oversight, will simply "rubberstamp" any PPMC decision as long as it's
sane and proper. The PPMC decision for things like code acceptance
and releases are done in public, and implicit w/in the general vote
(which is why we don't call out for a special PPMC-only vote...) We
learn by doing.
</hat>
geir
(Also - participation is how people get to become committers, too :)
Keep participating :))
Richard Liang wrote:
> Dear Geir,
>
> Just realize I'm not a committers after I'm too impertinent to read your
> notes clearly. :-) Sorry again.
>