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Posted to dev@drat.apache.org by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> on 2020/07/27 16:49:39 UTC
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
To be honest, there is enough emails and consensus – more than many projects
that we Attic’ed in the 5 years I spent as a member of the Board. I wanted to
capture the things up for discussion. I’m not asking to clone the repository. I’m
asking for infra to transfer it back to my ownership as that’s where it came from.
The 3 other PMC members have replied in the affirmative to that. So I wanted
to capture that decision.
I think it’s fine.
Chris
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:45 AM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
I am concerned about adding the repo disposition to the vote, just
because it does not match the standard resolution. Presumably you can
clone the repository under the normal ALv2 licensing and continue work
on it regardless.
On 7/27/2020 9:38 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
Sure.
Thus far, I count +1s expressed during various threads from
Karanjeet Singh
Phil Ottlinger
Tyler Palsulich
Chris Mattmann
The VOTE can remain open through this week for at least 72 hours.
I’ll tally the results if there are any more at the end of the week and
declare the result in a [RESULT] threat.
If anyone wants to declare further opinions, please use below:
[ ] +1 move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github
[ ] +0 Don’t care
[ ] -1 don’t move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github because…
Thanks,
Chris Mattmann
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Would the PMC like to do a formal [VOTE] thread?
On 7/23/2020 4:57 AM, P. Ottlinger wrote:
Am 22.07.20 um 19:00 schrieb Chris Mattmann:
+1 to move to the Attic.
+1
Also as I mentioned, if the Board approves that, I would like to work
with infra to transfer
the repo back to github.com/chrismattmann.
+1
Cheers,
Phil
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
I’ll just clone the repo and continue development from there in chrismattmann/drat where it began.
Sorry for any confusion. I just wanted to maintain the history. The one sucky part is that I will lose the small amount
of stars/watchers etc but that’s fine.
Thanks,
Chris
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:22 PM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
The basic problem is that I don't understand the difference between what
you want and a clone. When I examine my clones of OpenOffice, I can see
the logs and changes going back to when it was a podling in 2011. I
don't want to be in the position of trying to explain to the board
something I do not understand myself.
On 7/27/2020 3:06 PM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
Roy already mentioned that it was something he was amenable to. I would
request a transfer of the repo so I could keep the history and so forth since
I did the original transfer of the repo to Apache from my person GitHub. It’s
not an absolutely necessity but in the vein of good will and Apache, if the
RAT PMC is in the affirmative to Attic the project and transfer the repo back
to me and it would otherwise just be in the Attic, I do not see why I need to
attend the Board meeting for this.
Chris
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 2:32 PM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Is that infra transfer a normal operation?
Maybe you should attend the board meeting so you can present this yourself.
On 7/27/2020 9:49 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
To be honest, there is enough emails and consensus – more than many projects
that we Attic’ed in the 5 years I spent as a member of the Board. I wanted to
capture the things up for discussion. I’m not asking to clone the repository. I’m
asking for infra to transfer it back to my ownership as that’s where it came from.
The 3 other PMC members have replied in the affirmative to that. So I wanted
to capture that decision.
I think it’s fine.
Chris
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:45 AM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
I am concerned about adding the repo disposition to the vote, just
because it does not match the standard resolution. Presumably you can
clone the repository under the normal ALv2 licensing and continue work
on it regardless.
On 7/27/2020 9:38 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
Sure.
Thus far, I count +1s expressed during various threads from
Karanjeet Singh
Phil Ottlinger
Tyler Palsulich
Chris Mattmann
The VOTE can remain open through this week for at least 72 hours.
I’ll tally the results if there are any more at the end of the week and
declare the result in a [RESULT] threat.
If anyone wants to declare further opinions, please use below:
[ ] +1 move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github
[ ] +0 Don’t care
[ ] -1 don’t move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github because…
Thanks,
Chris Mattmann
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Would the PMC like to do a formal [VOTE] thread?
On 7/23/2020 4:57 AM, P. Ottlinger wrote:
Am 22.07.20 um 19:00 schrieb Chris Mattmann:
+1 to move to the Attic.
+1
Also as I mentioned, if the Board approves that, I would like to work
with infra to transfer
the repo back to github.com/chrismattmann.
+1
Cheers,
Phil
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
The basic problem is that I don't understand the difference between what
you want and a clone. When I examine my clones of OpenOffice, I can see
the logs and changes going back to when it was a podling in 2011. I
don't want to be in the position of trying to explain to the board
something I do not understand myself.
On 7/27/2020 3:06 PM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> Roy already mentioned that it was something he was amenable to. I would
> request a transfer of the repo so I could keep the history and so forth since
> I did the original transfer of the repo to Apache from my person GitHub. It’s
> not an absolutely necessity but in the vein of good will and Apache, if the
> RAT PMC is in the affirmative to Attic the project and transfer the repo back
> to me and it would otherwise just be in the Attic, I do not see why I need to
> attend the Board meeting for this.
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> Chris
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> From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 2:32 PM
> To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
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> Is that infra transfer a normal operation?
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> Maybe you should attend the board meeting so you can present this yourself.
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> On 7/27/2020 9:49 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
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> To be honest, there is enough emails and consensus – more than many projects
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> that we Attic’ed in the 5 years I spent as a member of the Board. I wanted to
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> capture the things up for discussion. I’m not asking to clone the repository. I’m
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> asking for infra to transfer it back to my ownership as that’s where it came from.
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> The 3 other PMC members have replied in the affirmative to that. So I wanted
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> to capture that decision.
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> I think it’s fine.
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> Chris
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> From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
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> Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
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> Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:45 AM
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> To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
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> I am concerned about adding the repo disposition to the vote, just
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> because it does not match the standard resolution. Presumably you can
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> clone the repository under the normal ALv2 licensing and continue work
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> on it regardless.
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> On 7/27/2020 9:38 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
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> Thus far, I count +1s expressed during various threads from
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> Karanjeet Singh
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> Phil Ottlinger
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> Tyler Palsulich
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> Chris Mattmann
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> The VOTE can remain open through this week for at least 72 hours.
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> I’ll tally the results if there are any more at the end of the week and
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> declare the result in a [RESULT] threat.
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>
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> If anyone wants to declare further opinions, please use below:
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> [ ] +1 move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github
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> [ ] +0 Don’t care
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> [ ] -1 don’t move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github because…
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> Thanks,
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> From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
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> Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
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> Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM
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> To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
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> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
I think all we need to do to close out the action item is put the
"Terminate DRAT" resolution in the August agenda.
On 7/27/2020 3:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
>> On Jul 27, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Roy already mentioned that it was something he was amenable to. I would
>> request a transfer of the repo so I could keep the history and so forth since
>> I did the original transfer of the repo to Apache from my person GitHub. It’s
>> not an absolutely necessity but in the vein of good will and Apache, if the
>> RAT PMC is in the affirmative to Attic the project and transfer the repo back
>> to me and it would otherwise just be in the Attic, I do not see why I need to
>> attend the Board meeting for this.
>
> I am confused by the meaning of "transfer the repo". The repo is
> just a version control data store -- that isn't "transferring"
> anywhere, since it will remain in Attic.
>
> But you are welcome to fork some copy of the repo from Apache or
> Github, or merge anything the project created into you own repo,
> and then continue from there.
>
> To be clear, Apache won't decide to transfer the DRAT name,
> because that would be giving public property to a member.
> What we do is abandon the mark, and trademark law says
> we are not allowed to control use of an abandoned name.
> Furthermore, the project is already on record as approving
> your continued use of the name, which is binding on the ASF
> even if we eventually get taken over by Evil Corp.
>
> So, have fun, but we don't need to put anything unusual in
> the board resolution.
>
> ....Roy
>
>
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Perfect that works for me thanks Roy!
Chris
From: "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 3:28 PM
To: Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>
Cc: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
On Jul 27, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
Roy already mentioned that it was something he was amenable to. I would
request a transfer of the repo so I could keep the history and so forth since
I did the original transfer of the repo to Apache from my person GitHub. It’s
not an absolutely necessity but in the vein of good will and Apache, if the
RAT PMC is in the affirmative to Attic the project and transfer the repo back
to me and it would otherwise just be in the Attic, I do not see why I need to
attend the Board meeting for this.
I am confused by the meaning of "transfer the repo". The repo is
just a version control data store -- that isn't "transferring"
anywhere, since it will remain in Attic.
But you are welcome to fork some copy of the repo from Apache or
Github, or merge anything the project created into you own repo,
and then continue from there.
To be clear, Apache won't decide to transfer the DRAT name,
because that would be giving public property to a member.
What we do is abandon the mark, and trademark law says
we are not allowed to control use of an abandoned name.
Furthermore, the project is already on record as approving
your continued use of the name, which is binding on the ASF
even if we eventually get taken over by Evil Corp.
So, have fun, but we don't need to put anything unusual in
the board resolution.
....Roy
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by "Roy T. Fielding" <fi...@gbiv.com>.
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Roy already mentioned that it was something he was amenable to. I would
> request a transfer of the repo so I could keep the history and so forth since
> I did the original transfer of the repo to Apache from my person GitHub. It’s
> not an absolutely necessity but in the vein of good will and Apache, if the
> RAT PMC is in the affirmative to Attic the project and transfer the repo back
> to me and it would otherwise just be in the Attic, I do not see why I need to
> attend the Board meeting for this.
I am confused by the meaning of "transfer the repo". The repo is
just a version control data store -- that isn't "transferring"
anywhere, since it will remain in Attic.
But you are welcome to fork some copy of the repo from Apache or
Github, or merge anything the project created into you own repo,
and then continue from there.
To be clear, Apache won't decide to transfer the DRAT name,
because that would be giving public property to a member.
What we do is abandon the mark, and trademark law says
we are not allowed to control use of an abandoned name.
Furthermore, the project is already on record as approving
your continued use of the name, which is binding on the ASF
even if we eventually get taken over by Evil Corp.
So, have fun, but we don't need to put anything unusual in
the board resolution.
....Roy
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by Chris Mattmann <ma...@apache.org>.
Roy already mentioned that it was something he was amenable to. I would
request a transfer of the repo so I could keep the history and so forth since
I did the original transfer of the repo to Apache from my person GitHub. It’s
not an absolutely necessity but in the vein of good will and Apache, if the
RAT PMC is in the affirmative to Attic the project and transfer the repo back
to me and it would otherwise just be in the Attic, I do not see why I need to
attend the Board meeting for this.
Chris
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 2:32 PM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Is that infra transfer a normal operation?
Maybe you should attend the board meeting so you can present this yourself.
On 7/27/2020 9:49 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
To be honest, there is enough emails and consensus – more than many projects
that we Attic’ed in the 5 years I spent as a member of the Board. I wanted to
capture the things up for discussion. I’m not asking to clone the repository. I’m
asking for infra to transfer it back to my ownership as that’s where it came from.
The 3 other PMC members have replied in the affirmative to that. So I wanted
to capture that decision.
I think it’s fine.
Chris
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:45 AM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
I am concerned about adding the repo disposition to the vote, just
because it does not match the standard resolution. Presumably you can
clone the repository under the normal ALv2 licensing and continue work
on it regardless.
On 7/27/2020 9:38 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
Sure.
Thus far, I count +1s expressed during various threads from
Karanjeet Singh
Phil Ottlinger
Tyler Palsulich
Chris Mattmann
The VOTE can remain open through this week for at least 72 hours.
I’ll tally the results if there are any more at the end of the week and
declare the result in a [RESULT] threat.
If anyone wants to declare further opinions, please use below:
[ ] +1 move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github
[ ] +0 Don’t care
[ ] -1 don’t move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github because…
Thanks,
Chris Mattmann
From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM
To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Would the PMC like to do a formal [VOTE] thread?
On 7/23/2020 4:57 AM, P. Ottlinger wrote:
Am 22.07.20 um 19:00 schrieb Chris Mattmann:
+1 to move to the Attic.
+1
Also as I mentioned, if the Board approves that, I would like to work
with infra to transfer
the repo back to github.com/chrismattmann.
+1
Cheers,
Phil
Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
Posted by Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>.
Is that infra transfer a normal operation?
Maybe you should attend the board meeting so you can present this yourself.
On 7/27/2020 9:49 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
> To be honest, there is enough emails and consensus – more than many projects
> that we Attic’ed in the 5 years I spent as a member of the Board. I wanted to
> capture the things up for discussion. I’m not asking to clone the repository. I’m
> asking for infra to transfer it back to my ownership as that’s where it came from.
>
> The 3 other PMC members have replied in the affirmative to that. So I wanted
> to capture that decision.
>
>
>
> I think it’s fine.
>
>
>
> Chris
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> From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
> Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:45 AM
> To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [VOTE] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
>
>
>
> I am concerned about adding the repo disposition to the vote, just
>
> because it does not match the standard resolution. Presumably you can
>
> clone the repository under the normal ALv2 licensing and continue work
>
> on it regardless.
>
>
>
> On 7/27/2020 9:38 AM, Chris Mattmann wrote:
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> Sure.
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> Thus far, I count +1s expressed during various threads from
>
>
>
>
>
> Karanjeet Singh
>
>
>
> Phil Ottlinger
>
>
>
> Tyler Palsulich
>
>
>
> Chris Mattmann
>
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>
>
>
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> The VOTE can remain open through this week for at least 72 hours.
>
> I’ll tally the results if there are any more at the end of the week and
>
> declare the result in a [RESULT] threat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If anyone wants to declare further opinions, please use below:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [ ] +1 move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github
>
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> [ ] +0 Don’t care
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> [ ] -1 don’t move DRAT to the Attic and allow the repo to transfer back to Chris Mattmann’s Github because…
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> Thanks,
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> Chris Mattmann
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> From: Patricia Shanahan <pa...@acm.org>
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> Reply-To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
>
> Date: Monday, July 27, 2020 at 9:36 AM
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> To: "dev@drat.apache.org" <de...@drat.apache.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Proposal to move DRAT to the Attic
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> Would the PMC like to do a formal [VOTE] thread?
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> On 7/23/2020 4:57 AM, P. Ottlinger wrote:
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> Am 22.07.20 um 19:00 schrieb Chris Mattmann:
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> +1 to move to the Attic.
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> +1
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> Also as I mentioned, if the Board approves that, I would like to work
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> the repo back to github.com/chrismattmann.
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> +1
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> Cheers,
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> Phil
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