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Posted to dev@drill.apache.org by Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com> on 2012/09/04 20:14:06 UTC
Apache Drill design meeting
We have scheduled a meeting on 9/13 at 4pm PT:
http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Apache-Drill-User-Group/events/80792492/
Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
We are planning to enable remote participation for those who are not local.
I would appreciate any suggestions on what technology to use (eg, WebEx,
USTREAM + dial-in bridge).
Thanks,
Tomer
--
Tomer Shiran
Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Does anybody have any experience with what sort of audio capture we should
use? Is a cheap lavalier mike OK?
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 9:37 AM, LeslieWang <wq...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm from Cisco, and can set up WebEx meeting easily. So please let me know
> if needed.
> BRLeslie
>
> > Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 02:53:59 +0800
> > From: rdmurugan@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Re: Apache Drill design meeting
> > To: drill-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > Hi Tomer,
> >
> > As Nishant mentioned, webex + dial-in would work well.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Durai
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Nishanth Vepachedu <ni...@gmail.com>
> > To: drill-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 2:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: Apache Drill design meeting
> >
> > Tomer,
> > I would quite like remote participation option for all of us non-Bay area
> > members. WebEx + dial in conf call would work quite well I guess. Great
> to
> > see this moving quick.
> >
> > -Nishanth
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > We have scheduled a meeting on 9/13 at 4pm PT:
> > >
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Apache-Drill-User-Group/events/80792492/
> > >
> > > Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
> > >
> > > We are planning to enable remote participation for those who are not
> local.
> > > I would appreciate any suggestions on what technology to use (eg,
> WebEx,
> > > USTREAM + dial-in bridge).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tomer
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tomer Shiran
> > > Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657
> > >
>
RE: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by LeslieWang <wq...@hotmail.com>.
I'm from Cisco, and can set up WebEx meeting easily. So please let me know if needed.
BRLeslie
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 02:53:59 +0800
> From: rdmurugan@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: Apache Drill design meeting
> To: drill-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> Hi Tomer,
>
> As Nishant mentioned, webex + dial-in would work well.
>
> Thanks
> Durai
>
> ________________________________
> From: Nishanth Vepachedu <ni...@gmail.com>
> To: drill-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Apache Drill design meeting
>
> Tomer,
> I would quite like remote participation option for all of us non-Bay area
> members. WebEx + dial in conf call would work quite well I guess. Great to
> see this moving quick.
>
> -Nishanth
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com> wrote:
>
> > We have scheduled a meeting on 9/13 at 4pm PT:
> > http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Apache-Drill-User-Group/events/80792492/
> >
> > Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
> >
> > We are planning to enable remote participation for those who are not local.
> > I would appreciate any suggestions on what technology to use (eg, WebEx,
> > USTREAM + dial-in bridge).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tomer
> >
> > --
> > Tomer Shiran
> > Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657
> >
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Durai Murugan <rd...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Tomer,
As Nishant mentioned, webex + dial-in would work well.
Thanks
Durai
________________________________
From: Nishanth Vepachedu <ni...@gmail.com>
To: drill-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Tomer,
I would quite like remote participation option for all of us non-Bay area
members. WebEx + dial in conf call would work quite well I guess. Great to
see this moving quick.
-Nishanth
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com> wrote:
> We have scheduled a meeting on 9/13 at 4pm PT:
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Apache-Drill-User-Group/events/80792492/
>
> Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
>
> We are planning to enable remote participation for those who are not local.
> I would appreciate any suggestions on what technology to use (eg, WebEx,
> USTREAM + dial-in bridge).
>
> Thanks,
> Tomer
>
> --
> Tomer Shiran
> Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657
>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Nishanth Vepachedu <ni...@gmail.com>.
Tomer,
I would quite like remote participation option for all of us non-Bay area
members. WebEx + dial in conf call would work quite well I guess. Great to
see this moving quick.
-Nishanth
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com> wrote:
> We have scheduled a meeting on 9/13 at 4pm PT:
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Apache-Drill-User-Group/events/80792492/
>
> Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
>
> We are planning to enable remote participation for those who are not local.
> I would appreciate any suggestions on what technology to use (eg, WebEx,
> USTREAM + dial-in bridge).
>
> Thanks,
> Tomer
>
> --
> Tomer Shiran
> Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657
>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:59 AM, Bernd Fondermann <bernd.fondermann@gmail.com
> wrote:
> <snip>...re-iterations that non-ML comm is useful...</snip>
>
> I fully agree, did I suggest something different?
>
Yes. I think you did.
Perhaps you should make your suggestions more explicit.
> > So Bernd, to put it concretely, what do you talk about at ApacheCon when
> > you go?
>
> Everything technical and non-technical. And sometimes about design
> decisions, too.
>
So there you go.
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 7:32 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hackathons for Apache projects are nothing new.
>
> Hbase has had several. Zookeeper has had several.
These are grown-up projects, not a new Incubator podling with no code
in the repo.
Now, the first steps need to be taken, and they should best be done in the open.
The code and the SW design are is not the hard parts. The hard part
are to find a modus operandi within Apache boundaries.
> Other modes of communication are also commonly used. Hbase has ongoing
> discussions on IRC. Lucene does as well. Mahout does as well.
>
> Pretty much all of these discussions are then reported for further
> discussion on the mailing list (if they have any merit). None of this
> detracts from the fact that these communities finds these alternative
> styles of meeting very useful.
<snip>...re-iterations that non-ML comm is useful...</snip>
I fully agree, did I suggest something different?
> So Bernd, to put it concretely, what do you talk about at ApacheCon when
> you go?
Everything technical and non-technical. And sometimes about design
decisions, too.
Bernd
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Bernd Fondermann <
> bernd.fondermann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > I think a mix of modalities including face to face talks is very helpful.
>> > It is absolutely true that we have to work hard to avoid
>> disenfranchising
>> > non-local project participants, but I have gained tremendously over the
>> > years from Apache oriented get-togethers.
>>
>> "get-together" sounds differently than "desin meeting".
>>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Hackathons for Apache projects are nothing new.
Hbase has had several. Zookeeper has had several.
Other modes of communication are also commonly used. Hbase has ongoing
discussions on IRC. Lucene does as well. Mahout does as well.
Pretty much all of these discussions are then reported for further
discussion on the mailing list (if they have any merit). None of this
detracts from the fact that these communities finds these alternative
styles of meeting very useful.
The fact is that these meetings *are* very useful. Email is limited as an
interaction medium. Multiple media for interaction are very helpful.
Drawing a picture on the whiteboard is very helpful. Of course, if it
doesn't happen on the list it didn't happen is the motto, but it is still
very useful to have people meet each other, bond and push ideas around.
These same people should then go back to the list for followup discussions.
Calling it a "get-together", "hackathon", "design meeting" or whatever
doesn't change the fact that people will talk about design ideas (just as
they might in a bar or at home if they happen to live with one another or
at work if they work together) and that we who are there in person will do
our best to include remote viewers and listeners. The fact that some
people met face to face also doesn't change the fact that actual decisions
will be made on the mailing list.
So Bernd, to put it concretely, what do you talk about at ApacheCon when
you go?
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Bernd Fondermann <
bernd.fondermann@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think a mix of modalities including face to face talks is very helpful.
> > It is absolutely true that we have to work hard to avoid
> disenfranchising
> > non-local project participants, but I have gained tremendously over the
> > years from Apache oriented get-togethers.
>
> "get-together" sounds differently than "desin meeting".
>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann <
> bernd.fondermann@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
>> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
>>
>
> Of course.
>
>
>> Especially for a new podling (e.g. Incubator project) meetings on IRC
>> or in ConfCalls less than ideal, because you want to grow your
>> contributors.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#communication
>>
>>
> I think a mix of modalities including face to face talks is very helpful.
> It is absolutely true that we have to work hard to avoid disenfranchising
> non-local project participants, but I have gained tremendously over the
> years from Apache oriented get-togethers.
"get-together" sounds differently than "desin meeting".
Bernd
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann <
bernd.fondermann@gmail.com> wrote:
> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
>
Of course.
> Especially for a new podling (e.g. Incubator project) meetings on IRC
> or in ConfCalls less than ideal, because you want to grow your
> contributors.
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#communication
>
>
I think a mix of modalities including face to face talks is very helpful.
It is absolutely true that we have to work hard to avoid disenfranchising
non-local project participants, but I have gained tremendously over the
years from Apache oriented get-togethers. Shoot, I bought the beer at the
first Hadoop user group meeting!
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com>.
We're in agreement.
Also, all slides will be shared online, and we'll try to have the
recordings online as well.
Thanks,
Tomer
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Owen O'Malley <om...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann
> <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
> > are made on the public mailing list (this list).
>
> Big +1
>
> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
> attend.
>
> -- Owen
>
--
Tomer Shiran
Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Dave Beech <db...@apache.org>.
+1 for a London meetup
Cheers,
Dave
On 5 September 2012 08:45, Michael Hausenblas
<mi...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Ted, All,
>
> > How much interest would there be in having another such meeting at the
> > beginning of October in London? I will be in town for Strata and would
> > love to host folks.
>
>
> That would make a lot of sense to me. London is just 1h flight from
> Dublin, so great for me. When and where?
>
> In addition, to grow the group I'd like to establish an All-Ireland Drill
> User Group (it's a small country anyways) so if there are fellow Irish
> people here, please ping me in a PM.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> --
> Michael Hausenblas
> Ireland, Europe
> http://mhausenblas.info/
>
> On 5 Sep 2012, at 00:08, Ted Dunning wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> >
> > I just got back from Europe so I feel your pain.
> >
> > How much interest would there be in having another such meeting at the
> > beginning of October in London? I will be in town for Strata and would
> > love to host folks.
> >
> > Also, same question for New York around Hadoop World. Anybody want to
> have
> > a meeting then as well? That would be before or after October 23-25.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Michael Hausenblas <
> > michael.hausenblas@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> >> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
> attend.
> >>
> >>
> >> Maybe we can utilise our GitHub repo for presentations? Would it be
> >> possible to make these available beforehand?
> >>
> >> Just figured that 4pm Mountain View time is 1am in the morning in the
> >> place I'll be next week so could turn out to be tough for me to stay
> with
> >> you all way through but I'd like to get an idea, comment and provide
> input.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Michael
> >>
> >> --
> >> Michael Hausenblas
> >> Ireland, Europe
> >> http://mhausenblas.info/
> >>
> >> On 4 Sep 2012, at 21:11, Owen O'Malley wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann
> >>> <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
> >>>> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
> >>>
> >>> Big +1
> >>>
> >>> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> >>> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
> >>> attend.
> >>>
> >>> -- Owen
> >>
> >>
>
>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 12:45 AM, Michael Hausenblas <
michael.hausenblas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ted, All,
>
> > How much interest would there be in having another such meeting at the
> > beginning of October in London? I will be in town for Strata and would
> > love to host folks.
>
>
> That would make a lot of sense to me. London is just 1h flight from
> Dublin, so great for me. When and where?
>
Some time around Strata is when I can make it happen. Details still TBD.
If the group is small, a pub might be the right place. If large, then we
might need something more formal (which I am happy to arrange).
>
> In addition, to grow the group I'd like to establish an All-Ireland Drill
> User Group (it's a small country anyways) so if there are fellow Irish
> people here, please ping me in a PM.
There you go. Good on ye.
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Michael Hausenblas <mi...@gmail.com>.
Ted, All,
> How much interest would there be in having another such meeting at the
> beginning of October in London? I will be in town for Strata and would
> love to host folks.
That would make a lot of sense to me. London is just 1h flight from Dublin, so great for me. When and where?
In addition, to grow the group I'd like to establish an All-Ireland Drill User Group (it's a small country anyways) so if there are fellow Irish people here, please ping me in a PM.
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael Hausenblas
Ireland, Europe
http://mhausenblas.info/
On 5 Sep 2012, at 00:08, Ted Dunning wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I just got back from Europe so I feel your pain.
>
> How much interest would there be in having another such meeting at the
> beginning of October in London? I will be in town for Strata and would
> love to host folks.
>
> Also, same question for New York around Hadoop World. Anybody want to have
> a meeting then as well? That would be before or after October 23-25.
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Michael Hausenblas <
> michael.hausenblas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
>> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to attend.
>>
>>
>> Maybe we can utilise our GitHub repo for presentations? Would it be
>> possible to make these available beforehand?
>>
>> Just figured that 4pm Mountain View time is 1am in the morning in the
>> place I'll be next week so could turn out to be tough for me to stay with
>> you all way through but I'd like to get an idea, comment and provide input.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>>
>> --
>> Michael Hausenblas
>> Ireland, Europe
>> http://mhausenblas.info/
>>
>> On 4 Sep 2012, at 21:11, Owen O'Malley wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann
>>> <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
>>>> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
>>>
>>> Big +1
>>>
>>> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
>>> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
>>> attend.
>>>
>>> -- Owen
>>
>>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Michael,
I just got back from Europe so I feel your pain.
How much interest would there be in having another such meeting at the
beginning of October in London? I will be in town for Strata and would
love to host folks.
Also, same question for New York around Hadoop World. Anybody want to have
a meeting then as well? That would be before or after October 23-25.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Michael Hausenblas <
michael.hausenblas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to attend.
>
>
> Maybe we can utilise our GitHub repo for presentations? Would it be
> possible to make these available beforehand?
>
> Just figured that 4pm Mountain View time is 1am in the morning in the
> place I'll be next week so could turn out to be tough for me to stay with
> you all way through but I'd like to get an idea, comment and provide input.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael
>
> --
> Michael Hausenblas
> Ireland, Europe
> http://mhausenblas.info/
>
> On 4 Sep 2012, at 21:11, Owen O'Malley wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann
> > <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
> >> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
> >
> > Big +1
> >
> > Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> > presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
> > attend.
> >
> > -- Owen
>
>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by karthik tunga <ka...@gmail.com>.
I think meeting around the time of Hadoop World is an excellent Idea !!
Cheers,
Karthik
On 4 September 2012 19:11, Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Excellent idea.
>
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Michael Hausenblas <
> michael.hausenblas@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> > presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
> attend.
> >
> >
> > Maybe we can utilise our GitHub repo for presentations? Would it be
> > possible to make these available beforehand?
>
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>.
Excellent idea.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Michael Hausenblas <
michael.hausenblas@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to attend.
>
>
> Maybe we can utilise our GitHub repo for presentations? Would it be
> possible to make these available beforehand?
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Michael Hausenblas <mi...@gmail.com>.
> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to attend.
Maybe we can utilise our GitHub repo for presentations? Would it be possible to make these available beforehand?
Just figured that 4pm Mountain View time is 1am in the morning in the place I'll be next week so could turn out to be tough for me to stay with you all way through but I'd like to get an idea, comment and provide input.
Cheers,
Michael
--
Michael Hausenblas
Ireland, Europe
http://mhausenblas.info/
On 4 Sep 2012, at 21:11, Owen O'Malley wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann
> <be...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
>> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
>
> Big +1
>
> Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
> presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
> attend.
>
> -- Owen
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Owen O'Malley <om...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Bernd Fondermann
<be...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
> are made on the public mailing list (this list).
Big +1
Additionally, it really helps if the slides and notes for such
presentations are put online at apache for people who aren't able to
attend.
-- Owen
Re: Apache Drill design meeting
Posted by Bernd Fondermann <be...@gmail.com>.
For an Apache project it's imperative that all development decisions
are made on the public mailing list (this list).
Especially for a new podling (e.g. Incubator project) meetings on IRC
or in ConfCalls less than ideal, because you want to grow your
contributors.
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#communication
Bernd
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:14 PM, Tomer Shiran <ts...@maprtech.com> wrote:
> We have scheduled a meeting on 9/13 at 4pm PT:
> http://www.meetup.com/Bay-Area-Apache-Drill-User-Group/events/80792492/
>
> Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
>
> We are planning to enable remote participation for those who are not local.
> I would appreciate any suggestions on what technology to use (eg, WebEx,
> USTREAM + dial-in bridge).
>
> Thanks,
> Tomer
>
> --
> Tomer Shiran
> Director of Product Management | MapR Technologies | 650-804-8657