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Posted to dev@activemq.apache.org by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> on 2018/03/16 02:29:32 UTC
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
great first example.
https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
Bruce
On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
> Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the issue.
>
> I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of the
> Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the following URL:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
> oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
>>>
>>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
>>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
>>>
>>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a brief
>>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
>>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account (thanks)
>>>
>>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
>>>
>>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If not
>>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export now in
>>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a large bulk
>>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up when
>>> trying to use modified.
>>> >>
>>> >> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due to a
>>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it looks much
>>> >>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid tables.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan Kulp
>>> provided?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bruce
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>>> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash scripted.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others to see.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Mike
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the others
>>> should
>>> >>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more comprehensive
>>> than
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories. We
>>> should
>>> >>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours as the
>>> new
>>> >>>>> master branch.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page content in
>>> >>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate or
>>> >>>> similar. I
>>> >>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all the
>>> “wrapper”
>>> >>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
>>> navigation
>>> >>>> or
>>> >>>>>> header/footer, etc…
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data from
>>> >>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage format
>>> >>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is between the
>>> >>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
>>> structured
>>> >>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…), but not
>>> >>>> really in
>>> >>>>>> final HTML form either.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the above
>>> might be a
>>> >>>>>> better starting point.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Dan
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just what I
>>> grabbed
>>> >>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive, it's
>>> good
>>> >>>>>> enough
>>> >>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure out
>>> why the
>>> >>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
>>> propagate to
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>> Github web UI.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
>>> dkulp@apache.org>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Dan
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not have
>>> >>>>>>>>> permissions
>>> >>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
>>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the HTML
>>> from
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be pushed
>>> directly
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull request
>>> but
>>> >>>>>> Github
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> does
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo. i.e.
>>> >>>> git://
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly to
>>> the ASF
>>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I tried
>>> to
>>> >>>> push
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
>>> >>>> permissions.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I guess I
>>> could
>>> >>>> ask
>>> >>>>>>>>> ASF
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this single
>>> >>>> reply.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML from
>>> >>>> Confluence,
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the images in
>>> a git
>>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML, especially
>>> the
>>> >>>> HTML
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exported
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could use
>>> Jekyll +
>>> >>>>>>>>> SAAS
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
>>> produced a
>>> >>>>>> mockup
>>> >>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example (because
>>> it
>>> >>>>>> already
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> makes
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me that we
>>> >>>> should
>>> >>>>>>>>> take
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full, new
>>> export of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup, you
>>> should
>>> >>>>>>>>> really
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is automagically
>>> >>>> exported
>>> >>>>>>>>> from
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we see at
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it using
>>> >>>>>> text2html
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would require a
>>> lot of
>>> >>>>>>>>> hand
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are 1600+
>>> pages
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTML
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only about
>>> 950
>>> >>>> HTML
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
>>> converter
>>> >>>> built
>>> >>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> top
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the HTML
>>> from
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works based
>>> on the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML is
>>> >>>>>> automagically
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
>>> >>>> NullPointerException
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> from
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is due to
>>> the
>>> >>>>>> CDATA
>>> >>>>>>>>> in
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is suggesting
>>> that the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with this
>>> >>>> suggestion
>>> >>>>>> is
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on the
>>> >>>> right-hand
>>> >>>>>>>>> side
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that removing
>>> the
>>> >>>>>> current
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> site
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something that
>>> cannot
>>> >>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
>>> leave users
>>> >>>>>> who
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
>>> problem to
>>> >>>>>>>>> solve
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF Infra
>>> is
>>> >>>>>> willing
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
>>> investigated
>>> >>>>>>>>> when
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> we
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First, we
>>> need to
>>> >>>>>> decide
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described above in
>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>> preceding
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
>>> >>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for all
>>> the
>>> >>>> pages.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> But
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around when
>>> Bruce
>>> >>>>>>>>> pushes
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to start
>>> doing
>>> >>>> css
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that far
>>> off.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not all
>>> just to
>>> >>>>>> try
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
>>> >>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems like a big
>>> >>>> task, I
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
>>> issues.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a nice
>>> landing
>>> >>>>>> page
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site together, and
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
>>> thought that
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier than
>>> >>>>>> converting
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
>>> thought .md
>>> >>>>>> would
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>> >>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>> >>>>>>>>> );'
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>> >>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>> >>>> "YC;VT*"
>>> >>>>>>>>> );'
>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> >>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>>> >>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>> >>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>> >>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>> "YC;VT*"
>>> >>>> );'
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> --
>>> >>>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> >>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>>> >>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> perl -e 'print
>>> >>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>> );'
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> perl -e 'print
>>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>>> );'
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>> >>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>
>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>
>
>
>
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>
--
perl -e 'print
unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Posted by Arthur Naseef <ar...@amlinv.com>.
Yes, I understand.
Hope my feedback is constructive. If there are specifics on which feedback would by more helpful, please don’t hesitate to let me know.
FYI - just saying the following in an attempt to clarify my point-of-view, not critizing... the goals of this effort are vague for me. All I can think of is to “modernize” the site - whatever that really means.
Art
Sent from my iPhone
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Did you read what I said in my email?
>
>> Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
> great first example.
>
> Nothing is complete. He is giving us an early preview.
>
> Bruce
>
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Arthur Naseef <ar...@amlinv.com> wrote:
>>
>> I pulled down Michael's git repo and browsed it. Here are my initial
>> impressions:
>>
>> The Good
>> * The look-and-feel is a little cleaner than the existing site
>> * I see a lot of promise with this new layout.
>>
>> The Bad
>> * While I believe it is expected at this point, I feel it needs to be said
>> -- a lot of formatting is lacking
>> * Over time, for ongoing users, I believe the technical reference pages
>> (e.g. the failover transport page) are most useful; the lack of formatting
>> there makes them hard to consume
>> * It is hard to find several pages - although I suspect not much harder
>> than the current site, except that google finds the pages quickly (e.g.
>> searching on "failover activemq" brings up this link right away - for me at
>> least - http://activemq.apache.org/failover-transport-reference.html)
>>
>> So overall, I would say it currently looks like a good, early start at the
>> effort. Nothing showing up that is an obvious concern to the effort.
>>
>> With that said, it would greatly help to have a small representative set of
>> pages that get closer to a final state in order to respond to that. For
>> example, once the failover transport reference is formatted, then it will
>> be easier to gauge how easy it is to find important information on that
>> page.
>>
>> Art
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:52 AM, Martyn Taylor <mt...@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Bruce, All
>>>
>>> We organised a webex discussion on the dev list[1] where we discussed
>>> Michael's proposal and created a bunch of JIRA[2] that we think are
>> needed
>>> in order to move forward with the proposal. Unfortunately only a handful
>>> of people attended. There is concern that a lot of work will be put into
>>> building a new site based on Michael's proposal only for it to get -1 at
>>> the last minute. For this reason, can I suggest that people take some
>> time
>>> to look into what has been done already by checking out the git repo as
>>> Bruce suggested, or we schedule another webex session where Michael can
>>> talk about his proposal. We can then take a vote as to whether or not
>> this
>>> is an approach we want to move forward with and what the requirements are
>>> to go live.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> [1] http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Website-Discussion-
>>> td4737173.html
>>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-6912
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together.
>> It's a
>>>> great first example.
>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
>>>>
>>>> Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
>>>> gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
>>>>
>>>> Bruce
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
>>>>> Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the
>> issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of
>> the
>>>>> Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the
>> following
>>>> URL:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
>>>>> oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <
>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
>>>>>>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a
>> brief
>>>>>>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
>>>>>>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account
>>> (thanks)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If
>>> not
>>>>>>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export
>> now
>>>> in
>>>>>>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a
>> large
>>>> bulk
>>>>>>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up
>>>> when
>>>>>>> trying to use modified.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due
>> to a
>>>>>>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it
>> looks
>>>> much
>>>>>>>>>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid
>>>> tables.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan
>> Kulp
>>>>>>> provided?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash
>>> scripted.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others
>> to
>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <
>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the
>>>> others
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more
>>>> comprehensive
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories.
>> We
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours
>> as
>>>> the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> master branch.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <
>>> dkulp@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page
>>> content
>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate
>> or
>>>>>>>>>>> similar. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all
>> the
>>>>>>> “wrapper”
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
>>>>>>> navigation
>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> header/footer, etc…
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data
>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage
>> format
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is
>> between
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
>>>>>>> structured
>>>>>>>>>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…),
>> but
>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> really in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> final HTML form either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the
>> above
>>>>>>> might be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better starting point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just
>>> what I
>>>>>>> grabbed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive,
>>> it's
>>>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure
>>> out
>>>>>>> why the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
>>>>>>> propagate to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Github web UI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not
>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permissions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
>>>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the
>>>> HTML
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be
>> pushed
>>>>>>> directly
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull
>>>> request
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo.
>>>> i.e.
>>>>>>>>>>> git://
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly
>>> to
>>>>>>> the ASF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I
>>>> tried
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> push
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
>>>>>>>>>>> permissions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I
>> guess
>>> I
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this
>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>> reply.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML
>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the
>> images
>>>> in
>>>>>>> a git
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML,
>>> especially
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> HTML
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could
>>> use
>>>>>>> Jekyll +
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SAAS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
>>>>>>> produced a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mockup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example
>>>> (because
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me
>>> that
>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full,
>> new
>>>>>>> export of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup,
>>> you
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is
>>> automagically
>>>>>>>>>>> exported
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we
>> see
>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it
>>>> using
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text2html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would
>>> require
>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are
>>>> 1600+
>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTML
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only
>>>> about
>>>>>>> 950
>>>>>>>>>>> HTML
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
>>>>>>> converter
>>>>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the
>>> HTML
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works
>>> based
>>>>>>> on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML
>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> automagically
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
>>>>>>>>>>> NullPointerException
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is
>> due
>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> CDATA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is
>>> suggesting
>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with
>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> suggestion
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> right-hand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that
>>> removing
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> site
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something
>>> that
>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
>>>>>>> leave users
>>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
>>>>>>> problem to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF
>>>> Infra
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
>>>>>>> investigated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First,
>> we
>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described
>> above
>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preceding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for
>>> all
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> pages.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around
>>>> when
>>>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to
>>> start
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>> css
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that
>> far
>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not
>>> all
>>>>>>> just to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems
>> like a
>>>> big
>>>>>>>>>>> task, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
>>>>>>> issues.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a
>> nice
>>>>>>> landing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site
>> together,
>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
>>>>>>> thought that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier
>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
>>>>>>> thought .md
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>>>>>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>>>> "YC;VT*"
>>>>>>> );'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>>>>>
>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> perl -e 'print
>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> );'
>>>>
>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
Did you read what I said in my email?
> Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
great first example.
Nothing is complete. He is giving us an early preview.
Bruce
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Arthur Naseef <ar...@amlinv.com> wrote:
> I pulled down Michael's git repo and browsed it. Here are my initial
> impressions:
>
> The Good
> * The look-and-feel is a little cleaner than the existing site
> * I see a lot of promise with this new layout.
>
> The Bad
> * While I believe it is expected at this point, I feel it needs to be said
> -- a lot of formatting is lacking
> * Over time, for ongoing users, I believe the technical reference pages
> (e.g. the failover transport page) are most useful; the lack of formatting
> there makes them hard to consume
> * It is hard to find several pages - although I suspect not much harder
> than the current site, except that google finds the pages quickly (e.g.
> searching on "failover activemq" brings up this link right away - for me at
> least - http://activemq.apache.org/failover-transport-reference.html)
>
> So overall, I would say it currently looks like a good, early start at the
> effort. Nothing showing up that is an obvious concern to the effort.
>
> With that said, it would greatly help to have a small representative set of
> pages that get closer to a final state in order to respond to that. For
> example, once the failover transport reference is formatted, then it will
> be easier to gauge how easy it is to find important information on that
> page.
>
> Art
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:52 AM, Martyn Taylor <mt...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> > Bruce, All
> >
> > We organised a webex discussion on the dev list[1] where we discussed
> > Michael's proposal and created a bunch of JIRA[2] that we think are
> needed
> > in order to move forward with the proposal. Unfortunately only a handful
> > of people attended. There is concern that a lot of work will be put into
> > building a new site based on Michael's proposal only for it to get -1 at
> > the last minute. For this reason, can I suggest that people take some
> time
> > to look into what has been done already by checking out the git repo as
> > Bruce suggested, or we schedule another webex session where Michael can
> > talk about his proposal. We can then take a vote as to whether or not
> this
> > is an approach we want to move forward with and what the requirements are
> > to go live.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > [1] http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Website-Discussion-
> > td4737173.html
> > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-6912
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together.
> It's a
> > > great first example.
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
> > >
> > > Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
> > > gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
> > > > Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the
> issue.
> > > >
> > > > I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of
> the
> > > > Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the
> following
> > > URL:
> > > >
> > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
> > > > oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > Bruce
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <
> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> +1
> > > >>
> > > >> Bruce
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> > > >> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Hi All,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
> > > >>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a
> brief
> > > >>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
> > > >>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account
> > (thanks)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If
> > not
> > > >>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Cheers
> > > >>> Mike
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
> > > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export
> now
> > > in
> > > >>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a
> large
> > > bulk
> > > >>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
> > > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up
> > > when
> > > >>> trying to use modified.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due
> to a
> > > >>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it
> looks
> > > much
> > > >>> >>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid
> > > tables.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan
> Kulp
> > > >>> provided?
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> > > >>> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash
> > scripted.
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others
> to
> > > see.
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>> Mike
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <
> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > >
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the
> > > others
> > > >>> should
> > > >>> >>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more
> > > comprehensive
> > > >>> than
> > > >>> >>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories.
> We
> > > >>> should
> > > >>> >>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours
> as
> > > the
> > > >>> new
> > > >>> >>>>> master branch.
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> > dkulp@apache.org>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page
> > content
> > > in
> > > >>> >>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate
> or
> > > >>> >>>> similar. I
> > > >>> >>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all
> the
> > > >>> “wrapper”
> > > >>> >>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
> > > >>> navigation
> > > >>> >>>> or
> > > >>> >>>>>> header/footer, etc…
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data
> from
> > > >>> >>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage
> format
> > > >>> >>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is
> between
> > > the
> > > >>> >>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
> > > >>> structured
> > > >>> >>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…),
> but
> > > not
> > > >>> >>>> really in
> > > >>> >>>>>> final HTML form either.
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the
> above
> > > >>> might be a
> > > >>> >>>>>> better starting point.
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> Dan
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just
> > what I
> > > >>> grabbed
> > > >>> >>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive,
> > it's
> > > >>> good
> > > >>> >>>>>> enough
> > > >>> >>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure
> > out
> > > >>> why the
> > > >>> >>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
> > > >>> propagate to
> > > >>> >>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> Github web UI.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> > > >>> dkulp@apache.org>
> > > >>> >>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> Dan
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not
> > > have
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> permissions
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> > > >>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
> > > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the
> > > HTML
> > > >>> from
> > > >>> >>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be
> pushed
> > > >>> directly
> > > >>> >>>> to
> > > >>> >>>>>> a
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull
> > > request
> > > >>> but
> > > >>> >>>>>> Github
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> does
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo.
> > > i.e.
> > > >>> >>>> git://
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly
> > to
> > > >>> the ASF
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I
> > > tried
> > > >>> to
> > > >>> >>>> push
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
> > > >>> >>>> permissions.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I
> guess
> > I
> > > >>> could
> > > >>> >>>> ask
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> ASF
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this
> > > single
> > > >>> >>>> reply.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML
> from
> > > >>> >>>> Confluence,
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the
> images
> > > in
> > > >>> a git
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML,
> > especially
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>>> HTML
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exported
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could
> > use
> > > >>> Jekyll +
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> SAAS
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
> > > >>> produced a
> > > >>> >>>>>> mockup
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> of
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example
> > > (because
> > > >>> it
> > > >>> >>>>>> already
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> makes
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me
> > that
> > > we
> > > >>> >>>> should
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> take
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full,
> new
> > > >>> export of
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup,
> > you
> > > >>> should
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> really
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is
> > automagically
> > > >>> >>>> exported
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> from
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we
> see
> > at
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it
> > > using
> > > >>> >>>>>> text2html
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would
> > require
> > > a
> > > >>> lot of
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> hand
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are
> > > 1600+
> > > >>> pages
> > > >>> >>>> of
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTML
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only
> > > about
> > > >>> 950
> > > >>> >>>> HTML
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> pages
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
> > > >>> converter
> > > >>> >>>> built
> > > >>> >>>>>> on
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> top
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the
> > HTML
> > > >>> from
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works
> > based
> > > >>> on the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML
> is
> > > >>> >>>>>> automagically
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
> > > >>> >>>> NullPointerException
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> from
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is
> due
> > > to
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>> CDATA
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> in
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is
> > suggesting
> > > >>> that the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with
> this
> > > >>> >>>> suggestion
> > > >>> >>>>>> is
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on
> the
> > > >>> >>>> right-hand
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> side
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that
> > removing
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>> current
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> site
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something
> > that
> > > >>> cannot
> > > >>> >>>> be
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
> > > >>> leave users
> > > >>> >>>>>> who
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
> > > >>> problem to
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> solve
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF
> > > Infra
> > > >>> is
> > > >>> >>>>>> willing
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
> > > >>> investigated
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> when
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First,
> we
> > > >>> need to
> > > >>> >>>>>> decide
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described
> above
> > in
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> preceding
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> > > >>> >>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for
> > all
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> >>>> pages.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around
> > > when
> > > >>> Bruce
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> pushes
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to
> > start
> > > >>> doing
> > > >>> >>>> css
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that
> far
> > > >>> off.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not
> > all
> > > >>> just to
> > > >>> >>>>>> try
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems
> like a
> > > big
> > > >>> >>>> task, I
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
> > > >>> issues.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a
> nice
> > > >>> landing
> > > >>> >>>>>> page
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site
> together,
> > > and
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
> > > >>> thought that
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier
> > than
> > > >>> >>>>>> converting
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
> > > >>> thought .md
> > > >>> >>>>>> would
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > >>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > > >>> >>>>>> "YC;VT*"
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > > >>> >>>> "YC;VT*"
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > > >>> >>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > > >>> "YC;VT*"
> > > >>> >>>> );'
> > > >>> >>>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> > > >>> >>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > > >>> >>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> --
> > > >>> >>>>> perl -e 'print
> > > >>> >>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > > "YC;VT*"
> > > >>> );'
> > > >>> >>>>>
> > > >>> >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>> >>>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> --
> > > >>> >>> perl -e 'print
> > > >>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > > "YC;VT*"
> > > >>> );'
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >>> >>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > >> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > > >>
> > > >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > >> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > > >
> > > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > perl -e 'print
> > > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
> > >
> > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >
> >
>
--
perl -e 'print
unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Posted by Arthur Naseef <ar...@amlinv.com>.
I pulled down Michael's git repo and browsed it. Here are my initial
impressions:
The Good
* The look-and-feel is a little cleaner than the existing site
* I see a lot of promise with this new layout.
The Bad
* While I believe it is expected at this point, I feel it needs to be said
-- a lot of formatting is lacking
* Over time, for ongoing users, I believe the technical reference pages
(e.g. the failover transport page) are most useful; the lack of formatting
there makes them hard to consume
* It is hard to find several pages - although I suspect not much harder
than the current site, except that google finds the pages quickly (e.g.
searching on "failover activemq" brings up this link right away - for me at
least - http://activemq.apache.org/failover-transport-reference.html)
So overall, I would say it currently looks like a good, early start at the
effort. Nothing showing up that is an obvious concern to the effort.
With that said, it would greatly help to have a small representative set of
pages that get closer to a final state in order to respond to that. For
example, once the failover transport reference is formatted, then it will
be easier to gauge how easy it is to find important information on that
page.
Art
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:52 AM, Martyn Taylor <mt...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Bruce, All
>
> We organised a webex discussion on the dev list[1] where we discussed
> Michael's proposal and created a bunch of JIRA[2] that we think are needed
> in order to move forward with the proposal. Unfortunately only a handful
> of people attended. There is concern that a lot of work will be put into
> building a new site based on Michael's proposal only for it to get -1 at
> the last minute. For this reason, can I suggest that people take some time
> to look into what has been done already by checking out the git repo as
> Bruce suggested, or we schedule another webex session where Michael can
> talk about his proposal. We can then take a vote as to whether or not this
> is an approach we want to move forward with and what the requirements are
> to go live.
>
> Thanks
>
> [1] http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Website-Discussion-
> td4737173.html
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-6912
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
> > great first example.
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
> >
> > Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
> > gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
> > > Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the issue.
> > >
> > > I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of the
> > > Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the following
> > URL:
> > >
> > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
> > > oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >> Bruce
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> > >> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
> > >>>
> > >>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
> > >>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a brief
> > >>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
> > >>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account
> (thanks)
> > >>>
> > >>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If
> not
> > >>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>> Mike
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> > On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
> > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export now
> > in
> > >>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a large
> > bulk
> > >>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
> > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up
> > when
> > >>> trying to use modified.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due to a
> > >>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it looks
> > much
> > >>> >>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid
> > tables.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan Kulp
> > >>> provided?
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> > >>> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash
> scripted.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others to
> > see.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Mike
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the
> > others
> > >>> should
> > >>> >>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more
> > comprehensive
> > >>> than
> > >>> >>>> the
> > >>> >>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories. We
> > >>> should
> > >>> >>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours as
> > the
> > >>> new
> > >>> >>>>> master branch.
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> dkulp@apache.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page
> content
> > in
> > >>> >>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate or
> > >>> >>>> similar. I
> > >>> >>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all the
> > >>> “wrapper”
> > >>> >>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
> > >>> navigation
> > >>> >>>> or
> > >>> >>>>>> header/footer, etc…
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data from
> > >>> >>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage format
> > >>> >>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is between
> > the
> > >>> >>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
> > >>> structured
> > >>> >>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…), but
> > not
> > >>> >>>> really in
> > >>> >>>>>> final HTML form either.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the above
> > >>> might be a
> > >>> >>>>>> better starting point.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> Dan
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just
> what I
> > >>> grabbed
> > >>> >>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive,
> it's
> > >>> good
> > >>> >>>>>> enough
> > >>> >>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure
> out
> > >>> why the
> > >>> >>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
> > >>> propagate to
> > >>> >>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Github web UI.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> > >>> dkulp@apache.org>
> > >>> >>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Dan
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not
> > have
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> permissions
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> > >>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the
> > HTML
> > >>> from
> > >>> >>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be pushed
> > >>> directly
> > >>> >>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>> a
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull
> > request
> > >>> but
> > >>> >>>>>> Github
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> does
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo.
> > i.e.
> > >>> >>>> git://
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly
> to
> > >>> the ASF
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I
> > tried
> > >>> to
> > >>> >>>> push
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
> > >>> >>>> permissions.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I guess
> I
> > >>> could
> > >>> >>>> ask
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> ASF
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this
> > single
> > >>> >>>> reply.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML from
> > >>> >>>> Confluence,
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the images
> > in
> > >>> a git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML,
> especially
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>> HTML
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exported
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could
> use
> > >>> Jekyll +
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> SAAS
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
> > >>> produced a
> > >>> >>>>>> mockup
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example
> > (because
> > >>> it
> > >>> >>>>>> already
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> makes
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me
> that
> > we
> > >>> >>>> should
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> take
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full, new
> > >>> export of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup,
> you
> > >>> should
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> really
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is
> automagically
> > >>> >>>> exported
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> from
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we see
> at
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it
> > using
> > >>> >>>>>> text2html
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would
> require
> > a
> > >>> lot of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> hand
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are
> > 1600+
> > >>> pages
> > >>> >>>> of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTML
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only
> > about
> > >>> 950
> > >>> >>>> HTML
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> pages
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
> > >>> converter
> > >>> >>>> built
> > >>> >>>>>> on
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> top
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the
> HTML
> > >>> from
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works
> based
> > >>> on the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML is
> > >>> >>>>>> automagically
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
> > >>> >>>> NullPointerException
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> from
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is due
> > to
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>>>> CDATA
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> in
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is
> suggesting
> > >>> that the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with this
> > >>> >>>> suggestion
> > >>> >>>>>> is
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on the
> > >>> >>>> right-hand
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> side
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that
> removing
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>>>> current
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> site
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something
> that
> > >>> cannot
> > >>> >>>> be
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
> > >>> leave users
> > >>> >>>>>> who
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
> > >>> problem to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> solve
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF
> > Infra
> > >>> is
> > >>> >>>>>> willing
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
> > >>> investigated
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> when
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First, we
> > >>> need to
> > >>> >>>>>> decide
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described above
> in
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> preceding
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> > >>> >>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for
> all
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>> pages.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around
> > when
> > >>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> pushes
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to
> start
> > >>> doing
> > >>> >>>> css
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that far
> > >>> off.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not
> all
> > >>> just to
> > >>> >>>>>> try
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems like a
> > big
> > >>> >>>> task, I
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
> > >>> issues.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a nice
> > >>> landing
> > >>> >>>>>> page
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site together,
> > and
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
> > >>> thought that
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier
> than
> > >>> >>>>>> converting
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
> > >>> thought .md
> > >>> >>>>>> would
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > >>> >>>>>> "YC;VT*"
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > >>> >>>> "YC;VT*"
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >>> >>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > >>> "YC;VT*"
> > >>> >>>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> > >>> >>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > >>> >>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > "YC;VT*"
> > >>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> --
> > >>> >>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > "YC;VT*"
> > >>> );'
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >>
> > >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >
> > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > perl -e 'print
> > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >
> > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >
>
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Posted by Christopher Shannon <ch...@gmail.com>.
The work done so far looks good to me.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry I missed the previous WebEx discuss on this topic. I will do my
> best to attend the next one.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:52 AM, Martyn Taylor <mt...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
>> Bruce, All
>>
>> We organised a webex discussion on the dev list[1] where we discussed
>> Michael's proposal and created a bunch of JIRA[2] that we think are needed
>> in order to move forward with the proposal. Unfortunately only a handful
>> of people attended. There is concern that a lot of work will be put into
>> building a new site based on Michael's proposal only for it to get -1 at
>> the last minute. For this reason, can I suggest that people take some time
>> to look into what has been done already by checking out the git repo as
>> Bruce suggested, or we schedule another webex session where Michael can
>> talk about his proposal. We can then take a vote as to whether or not this
>> is an approach we want to move forward with and what the requirements are
>> to go live.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> [1] http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Website-Discussion-
>> td4737173.html
>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-6912
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
>> > great first example.
>> >
>> > https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
>> >
>> > Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
>> > gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
>> > > Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the issue.
>> > >
>> > > I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of the
>> > > Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the following
>> > URL:
>> > >
>> > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
>> > > oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
>> > >
>> > > Bruce
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> +1
>> > >>
>> > >> Bruce
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>> > >> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> Hi All,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
>> > >>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a brief
>> > >>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
>> > >>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account
>> (thanks)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If
>> not
>> > >>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Cheers
>> > >>> Mike
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
>> > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export now
>> > in
>> > >>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a large
>> > bulk
>> > >>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
>> > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up
>> > when
>> > >>> trying to use modified.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due to a
>> > >>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>> >>
>> > >>> >>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it looks
>> > much
>> > >>> >>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid
>> > tables.
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan Kulp
>> > >>> provided?
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
>> > >>> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash
>> scripted.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others to
>> > see.
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> Mike
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>> >
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the
>> > others
>> > >>> should
>> > >>> >>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more
>> > comprehensive
>> > >>> than
>> > >>> >>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories. We
>> > >>> should
>> > >>> >>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours as
>> > the
>> > >>> new
>> > >>> >>>>> master branch.
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <
>> dkulp@apache.org>
>> > >>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page
>> content
>> > in
>> > >>> >>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate or
>> > >>> >>>> similar. I
>> > >>> >>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all the
>> > >>> “wrapper”
>> > >>> >>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
>> > >>> navigation
>> > >>> >>>> or
>> > >>> >>>>>> header/footer, etc…
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data from
>> > >>> >>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage format
>> > >>> >>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is between
>> > the
>> > >>> >>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
>> > >>> structured
>> > >>> >>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…), but
>> > not
>> > >>> >>>> really in
>> > >>> >>>>>> final HTML form either.
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the above
>> > >>> might be a
>> > >>> >>>>>> better starting point.
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> Dan
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just
>> what I
>> > >>> grabbed
>> > >>> >>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive,
>> it's
>> > >>> good
>> > >>> >>>>>> enough
>> > >>> >>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure
>> out
>> > >>> why the
>> > >>> >>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
>> > >>> propagate to
>> > >>> >>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Github web UI.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
>> > >>> dkulp@apache.org>
>> > >>> >>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Dan
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not
>> > have
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> permissions
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
>> > >>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
>> > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the
>> > HTML
>> > >>> from
>> > >>> >>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be pushed
>> > >>> directly
>> > >>> >>>> to
>> > >>> >>>>>> a
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull
>> > request
>> > >>> but
>> > >>> >>>>>> Github
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> does
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo.
>> > i.e.
>> > >>> >>>> git://
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly
>> to
>> > >>> the ASF
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I
>> > tried
>> > >>> to
>> > >>> >>>> push
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
>> > >>> >>>> permissions.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I guess
>> I
>> > >>> could
>> > >>> >>>> ask
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> ASF
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
>> > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this
>> > single
>> > >>> >>>> reply.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML from
>> > >>> >>>> Confluence,
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the images
>> > in
>> > >>> a git
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML,
>> especially
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> >>>> HTML
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exported
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could
>> use
>> > >>> Jekyll +
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> SAAS
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
>> > >>> produced a
>> > >>> >>>>>> mockup
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example
>> > (because
>> > >>> it
>> > >>> >>>>>> already
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> makes
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me
>> that
>> > we
>> > >>> >>>> should
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> take
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full, new
>> > >>> export of
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup,
>> you
>> > >>> should
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> really
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is
>> automagically
>> > >>> >>>> exported
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> from
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we see
>> at
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it
>> > using
>> > >>> >>>>>> text2html
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would
>> require
>> > a
>> > >>> lot of
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> hand
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are
>> > 1600+
>> > >>> pages
>> > >>> >>>> of
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTML
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only
>> > about
>> > >>> 950
>> > >>> >>>> HTML
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> pages
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
>> > >>> converter
>> > >>> >>>> built
>> > >>> >>>>>> on
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> top
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the
>> HTML
>> > >>> from
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works
>> based
>> > >>> on the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML is
>> > >>> >>>>>> automagically
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
>> > >>> >>>> NullPointerException
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> from
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is due
>> > to
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>> CDATA
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> in
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is
>> suggesting
>> > >>> that the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with this
>> > >>> >>>> suggestion
>> > >>> >>>>>> is
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on the
>> > >>> >>>> right-hand
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> side
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that
>> removing
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>> current
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> site
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something
>> that
>> > >>> cannot
>> > >>> >>>> be
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
>> > >>> leave users
>> > >>> >>>>>> who
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
>> > >>> problem to
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> solve
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF
>> > Infra
>> > >>> is
>> > >>> >>>>>> willing
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
>> > >>> investigated
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> when
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> we
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First, we
>> > >>> need to
>> > >>> >>>>>> decide
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described above
>> in
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> preceding
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
>> > >>> >>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for
>> all
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> >>>> pages.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around
>> > when
>> > >>> Bruce
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> pushes
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to
>> start
>> > >>> doing
>> > >>> >>>> css
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that far
>> > >>> off.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not
>> all
>> > >>> just to
>> > >>> >>>>>> try
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems like a
>> > big
>> > >>> >>>> task, I
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
>> > >>> issues.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a nice
>> > >>> landing
>> > >>> >>>>>> page
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site together,
>> > and
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
>> > >>> thought that
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier
>> than
>> > >>> >>>>>> converting
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
>> > >>> thought .md
>> > >>> >>>>>> would
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> > >>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>> > >>> >>>>>> "YC;VT*"
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>> > >>> >>>> "YC;VT*"
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>> >>>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>>> perl -e 'print
>> > >>> >>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>> > >>> "YC;VT*"
>> > >>> >>>> );'
>> > >>> >>>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>>> Daniel Kulp
>> > >>> >>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
>> > >>> >>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> --
>> > >>> >>>>> perl -e 'print
>> > >>> >>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>> > "YC;VT*"
>> > >>> );'
>> > >>> >>>>>
>> > >>> >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>> >>>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> --
>> > >>> >>> perl -e 'print
>> > >>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
>> > "YC;VT*"
>> > >>> );'
>> > >>> >>>
>> > >>> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >>> >>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> > >> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>> > >>
>> > >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > >> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
>> > > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>> > >
>> > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > perl -e 'print
>> > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>> >
>> > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
>> > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>> >
>>
>
>
>
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Posted by Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>.
I'm sorry I missed the previous WebEx discuss on this topic. I will do my
best to attend the next one.
Bruce
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:52 AM, Martyn Taylor <mt...@redhat.com> wrote:
> Bruce, All
>
> We organised a webex discussion on the dev list[1] where we discussed
> Michael's proposal and created a bunch of JIRA[2] that we think are needed
> in order to move forward with the proposal. Unfortunately only a handful
> of people attended. There is concern that a lot of work will be put into
> building a new site based on Michael's proposal only for it to get -1 at
> the last minute. For this reason, can I suggest that people take some time
> to look into what has been done already by checking out the git repo as
> Bruce suggested, or we schedule another webex session where Michael can
> talk about his proposal. We can then take a vote as to whether or not this
> is an approach we want to move forward with and what the requirements are
> to go live.
>
> Thanks
>
> [1] http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Website-Discussion-
> td4737173.html
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-6912
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
> > great first example.
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
> >
> > Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
> > gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
> > > Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the issue.
> > >
> > > I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of the
> > > Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the following
> > URL:
> > >
> > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
> > > oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> +1
> > >>
> > >> Bruce
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> > >> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi All,
> > >>>
> > >>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
> > >>>
> > >>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
> > >>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
> > >>>
> > >>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a brief
> > >>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
> > >>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account
> (thanks)
> > >>>
> > >>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If
> not
> > >>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>> Mike
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> > >>> > On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
> > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export now
> > in
> > >>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a large
> > bulk
> > >>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >
> > >>> >> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
> > >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up
> > when
> > >>> trying to use modified.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due to a
> > >>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it looks
> > much
> > >>> >>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid
> > tables.
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan Kulp
> > >>> provided?
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> > >>> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash
> scripted.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others to
> > see.
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Mike
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the
> > others
> > >>> should
> > >>> >>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more
> > comprehensive
> > >>> than
> > >>> >>>> the
> > >>> >>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories. We
> > >>> should
> > >>> >>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours as
> > the
> > >>> new
> > >>> >>>>> master branch.
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> dkulp@apache.org>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page
> content
> > in
> > >>> >>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate or
> > >>> >>>> similar. I
> > >>> >>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all the
> > >>> “wrapper”
> > >>> >>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
> > >>> navigation
> > >>> >>>> or
> > >>> >>>>>> header/footer, etc…
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data from
> > >>> >>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage format
> > >>> >>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is between
> > the
> > >>> >>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
> > >>> structured
> > >>> >>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…), but
> > not
> > >>> >>>> really in
> > >>> >>>>>> final HTML form either.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the above
> > >>> might be a
> > >>> >>>>>> better starting point.
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> Dan
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just
> what I
> > >>> grabbed
> > >>> >>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive,
> it's
> > >>> good
> > >>> >>>>>> enough
> > >>> >>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure
> out
> > >>> why the
> > >>> >>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
> > >>> propagate to
> > >>> >>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Github web UI.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> > >>> dkulp@apache.org>
> > >>> >>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Dan
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not
> > have
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> permissions
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> > >>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the
> > HTML
> > >>> from
> > >>> >>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be pushed
> > >>> directly
> > >>> >>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>> a
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull
> > request
> > >>> but
> > >>> >>>>>> Github
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> does
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo.
> > i.e.
> > >>> >>>> git://
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly
> to
> > >>> the ASF
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I
> > tried
> > >>> to
> > >>> >>>> push
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
> > >>> >>>> permissions.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I guess
> I
> > >>> could
> > >>> >>>> ask
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> ASF
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> > >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this
> > single
> > >>> >>>> reply.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML from
> > >>> >>>> Confluence,
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the images
> > in
> > >>> a git
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML,
> especially
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>> HTML
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exported
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could
> use
> > >>> Jekyll +
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> SAAS
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
> > >>> produced a
> > >>> >>>>>> mockup
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example
> > (because
> > >>> it
> > >>> >>>>>> already
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> makes
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me
> that
> > we
> > >>> >>>> should
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> take
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full, new
> > >>> export of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup,
> you
> > >>> should
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> really
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is
> automagically
> > >>> >>>> exported
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> from
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we see
> at
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it
> > using
> > >>> >>>>>> text2html
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would
> require
> > a
> > >>> lot of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> hand
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are
> > 1600+
> > >>> pages
> > >>> >>>> of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTML
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only
> > about
> > >>> 950
> > >>> >>>> HTML
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> pages
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
> > >>> converter
> > >>> >>>> built
> > >>> >>>>>> on
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> top
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the
> HTML
> > >>> from
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works
> based
> > >>> on the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML is
> > >>> >>>>>> automagically
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
> > >>> >>>> NullPointerException
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> from
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is due
> > to
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>>>> CDATA
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> in
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is
> suggesting
> > >>> that the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with this
> > >>> >>>> suggestion
> > >>> >>>>>> is
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on the
> > >>> >>>> right-hand
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> side
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that
> removing
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>>>> current
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> site
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something
> that
> > >>> cannot
> > >>> >>>> be
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
> > >>> leave users
> > >>> >>>>>> who
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
> > >>> problem to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> solve
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF
> > Infra
> > >>> is
> > >>> >>>>>> willing
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
> > >>> investigated
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> when
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First, we
> > >>> need to
> > >>> >>>>>> decide
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described above
> in
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> preceding
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> > >>> >>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for
> all
> > >>> the
> > >>> >>>> pages.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around
> > when
> > >>> Bruce
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> pushes
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to
> start
> > >>> doing
> > >>> >>>> css
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that far
> > >>> off.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not
> all
> > >>> just to
> > >>> >>>>>> try
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems like a
> > big
> > >>> >>>> task, I
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
> > >>> issues.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a nice
> > >>> landing
> > >>> >>>>>> page
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site together,
> > and
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
> > >>> thought that
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier
> than
> > >>> >>>>>> converting
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
> > >>> thought .md
> > >>> >>>>>> would
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > >>> >>>>>> "YC;VT*"
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > >>> >>>> "YC;VT*"
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > >>> >>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >>> >>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > >>> "YC;VT*"
> > >>> >>>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> > >>> >>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> > >>> >>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> --
> > >>> >>>>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > "YC;VT*"
> > >>> );'
> > >>> >>>>>
> > >>> >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>> >>>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> --
> > >>> >>> perl -e 'print
> > >>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> > "YC;VT*"
> > >>> );'
> > >>> >>>
> > >>> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >>> >>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > >> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >>
> > >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > >> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> > >
> > > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > perl -e 'print
> > unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >
> > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >
>
--
perl -e 'print
unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
Re: Thoughts on refactoring the ActiveMQ website
Posted by Martyn Taylor <mt...@redhat.com>.
Bruce, All
We organised a webex discussion on the dev list[1] where we discussed
Michael's proposal and created a bunch of JIRA[2] that we think are needed
in order to move forward with the proposal. Unfortunately only a handful
of people attended. There is concern that a lot of work will be put into
building a new site based on Michael's proposal only for it to get -1 at
the last minute. For this reason, can I suggest that people take some time
to look into what has been done already by checking out the git repo as
Bruce suggested, or we schedule another webex session where Michael can
talk about his proposal. We can then take a vote as to whether or not this
is an approach we want to move forward with and what the requirements are
to go live.
Thanks
[1] http://activemq.2283324.n4.nabble.com/Website-Discussion-td4737173.html
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-6912
On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 2:29 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Everyone should take a look at the gitbook that Mike put together. It's a
> great first example.
>
> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web/pull/3
>
> Please take 10 minutes to clone the repo, switch to the branch, install
> gitbook, run gitbook and peruse the docs.
>
> Bruce
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry about the long delays in getting the official export from
> > Confluence, but it took this long to get some resolution on the issue.
> >
> > I now have a full HTML export from Confluence with the exception of the
> > Navigation page. You can grab the zip file of the HTML at the following
> URL:
> >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qoTC9KMw8oIzGWwBW1X-
> > oDtZxt8mFZlX/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:06 AM, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> >> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> It’s been a bit quiet on the front of this effort.
> >>>
> >>> I’d like to bump this a bit to get some feedback on the current
> >>> examples, and try agree a plan going forwards and spread the work.
> >>>
> >>> I was speaking with Martyn the other week and we think maybe a brief
> >>> webex to demo what’s been done so far and then discuss.
> >>> Martyn’s offered he can host this using his bluejeans account (thanks)
> >>>
> >>> We are thinking of organising this for the week of 19th Feb.
> >>>
> >>> Any specific people who want to be involved can or cannot make? If not
> >>> I’ll sync up with Martyn to agree and then post a time and date.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> > On 20 Dec 2017, at 01:26, Michael André Pearce <
> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > Just FYI have sent a PR with a link to my branch of this export now
> in
> >>> a GitBook form still needs a lot of TLC but have tried to get a large
> bulk
> >>> done. To provide some skeleton for 5.x documents.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >
> >>> >> On 18 Dec 2017, at 20:26, Michael André Pearce <
> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Yeah, unfortunately the tool i found wanted just html it blew up
> when
> >>> trying to use modified.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Like wise there was a couple of pages it couldn’t convert due to a
> >>> css file on import issue but this wasn’t that many.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:15, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Nice job, based on my spot check of a handful of files, it looks
> much
> >>> >>> better. But we will still need to manually fix all the valid
> tables.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Have you had a chance to look at the other branches that Dan Kulp
> >>> provided?
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Bruce
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Michael André Pearce <
> >>> >>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>> I’ve had some luck auto generating MD files.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Needs some cleanup which probably the worst can be bash scripted.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Have sent a PR back to the activemq-web on github for others to
> see.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Mike
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2017, at 16:31, Bruce Snyder <br...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Thanks, Dan. So far I only see the body.storage branch (the
> others
> >>> should
> >>> >>>>> propagate in time). But I see that it's already more
> comprehensive
> >>> than
> >>> >>>> the
> >>> >>>>> HTML that I pushed because it contains all the directories. We
> >>> should
> >>> >>>>> probably wipe out the master branch and choose one of yours as
> the
> >>> new
> >>> >>>>> master branch.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> I hacked the Confluence exporter a bit to grab the page content
> in
> >>> >>>>>> different formats so we can see if one is easier to migrate or
> >>> >>>> similar. I
> >>> >>>>>> just pushed 3 new branches to this repo:
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> body.only - this is basically the same HTML, but with all the
> >>> “wrapper”
> >>> >>>>>> stuff removed. Just the HTML of the body content. So no
> >>> navigation
> >>> >>>> or
> >>> >>>>>> header/footer, etc…
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> body.storage - this is the raw storage format of the data from
> >>> >>>>>> confluence. Things like code snippets are in storage format
> >>> >>>>>> (<structured-macro name=“code” …>), etc.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> body.view - confluence has a “body.view” mode that is between
> the
> >>> >>>>>> “storage” format and not really the exported HTML. The
> >>> structured
> >>> >>>>>> macros are expanded a bit (<script class=“brush: java”…), but
> not
> >>> >>>> really in
> >>> >>>>>> final HTML form either.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Anyway, if interested in converting content, one of the above
> >>> might be a
> >>> >>>>>> better starting point.
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> Dan
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> The HTML is available in the repo now. This HTML is just what I
> >>> grabbed
> >>> >>>>>>> from the public directory. Even if it's not comprehensive, it's
> >>> good
> >>> >>>>>> enough
> >>> >>>>>>> for hacking around to figure out what we'd like to do.
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> In the meantime, I'm still working with ASF Infra to figure out
> >>> why the
> >>> >>>>>>> Confluence export is failing.
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Yep, that is correct, Dan:
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> I pushed my changes to the repo. Now they just need to
> >>> propagate to
> >>> >>>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>> Github web UI.
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Daniel Kulp <
> >>> dkulp@apache.org>
> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> Isn’t the push address supposed to be:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/activemq-web.git
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> Dan
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 13, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> >>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the suggestion, but it looks like I do not
> have
> >>> >>>>>>>>> permissions
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> either. I will contact ASF Infra for assistance.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 2:41 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> >>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Bruce Snyder <
> >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had the following empty git repo created to hold the
> HTML
> >>> from
> >>> >>>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> current website:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/activemq-web
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, I have a conundrum -- content cannot be pushed
> >>> directly
> >>> >>>> to
> >>> >>>>>> a
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Github ASF repo. Content can only be added via pull
> request
> >>> but
> >>> >>>>>> Github
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> does
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not allow a pull request on an empty repo.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Bruce, have you tried pushing directly to the ASF repo.
> i.e.
> >>> >>>> git://
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> git.apache.org/activemq-web.git
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the workflow we currently use, we push directly to
> >>> the ASF
> >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> PRs are really only used for review and discussion. I
> tried
> >>> to
> >>> >>>> push
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> directly this morning but looks like I don't have write
> >>> >>>> permissions.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any ideas on how to get the HTML into the repo? I guess I
> >>> could
> >>> >>>> ask
> >>> >>>>>>>>> ASF
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Infra to push it.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Snyder <
> >>> >>>>>> bruce.snyder@gmail.com
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to address all the questions to me in this
> single
> >>> >>>> reply.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> My original suggestion was that we export the HTML from
> >>> >>>> Confluence,
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> convert to Markdown and put the Markdown and the images
> in
> >>> a git
> >>> >>>>>>>>> repo.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Markdown is much easier to edit than raw HTML, especially
> >>> the
> >>> >>>> HTML
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> exported
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> from Confluence (blech!). The idea was that we could use
> >>> Jekyll +
> >>> >>>>>>>>> SAAS
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> craft a new website. In fact, Michael Andre Pearce
> >>> produced a
> >>> >>>>>> mockup
> >>> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this using the Apache Metro website as an example
> (because
> >>> it
> >>> >>>>>> already
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> makes
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> use of Jekyll + SAAS). It was enough to convince me that
> we
> >>> >>>> should
> >>> >>>>>>>>> take
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> this path, so I started looking into doing a full, new
> >>> export of
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> pages to HTML. If you have not seen Michael's mockup, you
> >>> should
> >>> >>>>>>>>> really
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> take a look.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, I manually grabbed the raw HTML that is automagically
> >>> >>>> exported
> >>> >>>>>>>>> from
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence and is hosting the current site that we see at
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://activemq.apache.org. I did some testing on it
> using
> >>> >>>>>> text2html
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the conversion it does is pretty awful and would require
> a
> >>> lot of
> >>> >>>>>>>>> hand
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to fix it. So, we discussed the point that there are
> 1600+
> >>> pages
> >>> >>>> of
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> HTML
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> manually edit. But I later realized that it was only
> about
> >>> 950
> >>> >>>> HTML
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> pages
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (from what I can tell so far).
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, Dan Kulp found a Confluence HTML to raw HTML
> >>> converter
> >>> >>>> built
> >>> >>>>>> on
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> top
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of PanDoc. So, I have also been trying to export the HTML
> >>> from
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> in order to try out the PanDoc converter (it works based
> >>> on the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> export function which is different from how the HTML is
> >>> >>>>>> automagically
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> converted). Unfortunately, I am running into a
> >>> >>>> NullPointerException
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> from
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Confluence. ASF Infra is telling me that the NPE is due
> to
> >>> the
> >>> >>>>>> CDATA
> >>> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> search function on the Navigation page and is suggesting
> >>> that the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> solution
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> is to remove the Navigation page. The problem with this
> >>> >>>> suggestion
> >>> >>>>>> is
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it would fundamentally remove all the navigation on the
> >>> >>>> right-hand
> >>> >>>>>>>>> side
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the site -- not what we want.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have also given some thought to the idea that removing
> >>> the
> >>> >>>>>> current
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> site
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will break all links to old site. This is something that
> >>> cannot
> >>> >>>> be
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> overlooked and must be prevented as we do not want to
> >>> leave users
> >>> >>>>>> who
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> bookmarked a page high and dry. This is a fairly easy
> >>> problem to
> >>> >>>>>>>>> solve
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> using some mod_rewrite rules, the question is if ASF
> Infra
> >>> is
> >>> >>>>>> willing
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> allow us to deploy such custom rules. This should be
> >>> investigated
> >>> >>>>>>>>> when
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get to that point, but we are not there yet. First, we
> >>> need to
> >>> >>>>>> decide
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> best path forward based on what I have described above in
> >>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>>> preceding
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraphs.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Martyn Taylor <
> >>> >>>>>> mtaylor@redhat.com>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking there would be a single css file for all
> >>> the
> >>> >>>> pages.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> But
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen the files yet. Let's have a play around
> when
> >>> Bruce
> >>> >>>>>>>>> pushes
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> export.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017 5:30 pm, "Michael André Pearce" <
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.andre.pearce@me.com>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What’s 1600 pages between friends....
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree it will be easier to covert to md than to start
> >>> doing
> >>> >>>> css
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> styles.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s all from a wiki anyhow so it’s can’t be that far
> >>> off.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It be good to get some samples (eg 50 pages) if not all
> >>> just to
> >>> >>>>>> try
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see what it is like.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12 Dec 2017, at 17:04, Clebert Suconic <
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> clebert.suconic@gmail.com>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exporting to MD and creating a gitbook seems like a
> big
> >>> >>>> task, I
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suspect
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool we use will cause a bunch of styling/content
> >>> issues.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least initially, how about we just create a nice
> >>> landing
> >>> >>>>>> page
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brings the ActiveMQ site and Artemis site together,
> and
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> refresh/align
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existing content with some CSS?
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was just looking for the minimal effort task. I
> >>> thought that
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting these pages into a doc would be easier than
> >>> >>>>>> converting
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to another .css...
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if the conversion needed to be done anyways... I
> >>> thought .md
> >>> >>>>>> would
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easier and having a better final presentation.
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> >>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> >>> >>>>>> "YC;VT*"
> >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> >>> >>>> "YC;VT*"
> >>> >>>>>>>>> );'
> >>> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> >>> >>>>>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> >>> >>>>>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>>> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> >>> >>>>>>>> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>>> perl -e 'print
> >>> >>>>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> >>> "YC;VT*"
> >>> >>>> );'
> >>> >>>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>>>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>> --
> >>> >>>>>> Daniel Kulp
> >>> >>>>>> dkulp@apache.org - http://dankulp.com/blog
> >>> >>>>>> Talend Community Coder - http://coders.talend.com
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> --
> >>> >>>>> perl -e 'print
> >>> >>>>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> "YC;VT*"
> >>> );'
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>>>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> --
> >>> >>> perl -e 'print
> >>> >>> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\
> "YC;VT*"
> >>> );'
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >>> >>> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >>> >>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> >> 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >>
> >> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> >> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&
> > 5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
> >
> > ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> > Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
> >
>
>
>
> --
> perl -e 'print
> unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*" );'
>
> ActiveMQ in Action: http://bit.ly/2je6cQ
> Blog: http://bsnyder.org/ <http://bruceblog.org/>
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/brucesnyder
>