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[svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user interface.
Author: gstein
Date: Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
New Revision: 9
Modified:
wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
Log:
Edited wiki page through web user interface.
Modified: wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
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--- wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki (original)
+++ wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
@@ -17,4 +17,19 @@
* modifications within `wc_db` should kill the
`pdh->adm_access->entries_all` cache
* watch out for memory balloon of `adm_access->pool`
-_What else?_
\ No newline at end of file
+_What else?_
+
+== Thoughts ==
+
+Transitioning from wc-1 to wc-ng is made very difficult by the fact
+that a ton of code is aware of the "stub" in the parent dirctory
+containing some information subdirectories. Most important is the
+"deleted" flag (not explained here). The separation of state between
+the stub entry in the parent, and the "full" entry in the subdir
+itself is seen throughout the code. Finding a proper abstraction
+for this to ease the transition will be very important.
+
+Another consideration is the "schedule" concept. wc-ng uses very
+different ideas ("presence" is the key state, and then "status" is
+derived from that). These are not one-to-one mappings, so it is
+not a simple code transformation to switch to wc-ng.
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Lieven Govaerts <sv...@mobsol.be>.
Hi Greg,
can these commit mails be sent to svn@s.t.o instead of dev?
thanks,
Lieven
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:40 AM, <co...@google.com> wrote:
> Author: gstein
> Date: Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
> New Revision: 9
>
> Modified:
> wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
>
> Log:
> Edited wiki page through web user interface.
>
> Modified: wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
> ==============================================================================
> --- wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki (original)
> +++ wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
> @@ -17,4 +17,19 @@
> * modifications within `wc_db` should kill the
> `pdh->adm_access->entries_all` cache
> * watch out for memory balloon of `adm_access->pool`
>
> -_What else?_
> \ No newline at end of file
> +_What else?_
> +
> +== Thoughts ==
> +
> +Transitioning from wc-1 to wc-ng is made very difficult by the fact
> +that a ton of code is aware of the "stub" in the parent dirctory
> +containing some information subdirectories. Most important is the
> +"deleted" flag (not explained here). The separation of state between
> +the stub entry in the parent, and the "full" entry in the subdir
> +itself is seen throughout the code. Finding a proper abstraction
> +for this to ease the transition will be very important.
> +
> +Another consideration is the "schedule" concept. wc-ng uses very
> +different ideas ("presence" is the key state, and then "status" is
> +derived from that). These are not one-to-one mappings, so it is
> +not a simple code transformation to switch to wc-ng.
> \ No newline at end of file
>
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Edmund Wong <ed...@belfordhk.com>.
codesite-noreply@google.com wrote:
> Author: gstein
> Date: Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
> New Revision: 9
>
> Modified:
> wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
>
> Log:
> Edited wiki page through web user interface.
Way to go, Greg! It works!
Edmund
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Meta:
> Talking with Hyrum, I skipped sending these commit messages to
> svn@s.t.o per his thinking "that mailing list is for commits to the
> code". I've pointed the edits here (dev@), since I believe the
> messages are part of our developer discussion. Your thoughts are
> welcome.
If you decide to post to svn@, I think the reason it was not working
is because that mailing list will not accept emails unless it comes
from an address associated with a tigris account. I do not think we
would want to change that, so we'd have to get a tigris ID setup for
this email address.
--
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Mark Phippard
http://markphip.blogspot.com/
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Senthil Kumaran S <se...@collab.net>.
Greg Stein wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:24, Lieven Govaerts <sv...@mobsol.be> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Meta:
>>> Talking with Hyrum, I skipped sending these commit messages to
>>> svn@s.t.o per his thinking "that mailing list is for commits to the
>>> code".
>> Hm, why should we restrict the scope of svn@s.t.o to the code repo
>> only? I'd use it for all automated commit emails.
>>
>>> I've pointed the edits here (dev@), since I believe the
>>> messages are part of our developer discussion. Your thoughts are
>>> welcome.
>> Commit messages of our source code can be easily made part of a
>> developer discussion too, by replying and putting svn-dev as target
>> list. Point is that responding to those commit mails is optional,
>> whereas a mail to dev is supposed to start a discussion.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> I'll switch it to svn@s.t.o in a couple days if nobody has further input.
+1 on switching these emails to svn@s.t.o since we already receive commit
related emails there, and I feel these are one such emails, which of course all
devs look at.
--
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http://www.stylesen.org/
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 10:24, Lieven Govaerts <sv...@mobsol.be> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Meta:
>> Talking with Hyrum, I skipped sending these commit messages to
>> svn@s.t.o per his thinking "that mailing list is for commits to the
>> code".
> Hm, why should we restrict the scope of svn@s.t.o to the code repo
> only? I'd use it for all automated commit emails.
>
>> I've pointed the edits here (dev@), since I believe the
>> messages are part of our developer discussion. Your thoughts are
>> welcome.
>
> Commit messages of our source code can be easily made part of a
> developer discussion too, by replying and putting svn-dev as target
> list. Point is that responding to those commit mails is optional,
> whereas a mail to dev is supposed to start a discussion.
Fair enough.
I'll switch it to svn@s.t.o in a couple days if nobody has further input.
Thx,
-g
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Lieven Govaerts <sv...@mobsol.be>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Meta:
> Talking with Hyrum, I skipped sending these commit messages to
> svn@s.t.o per his thinking "that mailing list is for commits to the
> code".
Hm, why should we restrict the scope of svn@s.t.o to the code repo
only? I'd use it for all automated commit emails.
> I've pointed the edits here (dev@), since I believe the
> messages are part of our developer discussion. Your thoughts are
> welcome.
Commit messages of our source code can be easily made part of a
developer discussion too, by replying and putting svn-dev as target
list. Point is that responding to those commit mails is optional,
whereas a mail to dev is supposed to start a discussion.
Anyway, if I'm alone with this pov I'll set up a mail filter.
Lieven
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:30, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Concrete:
>>> I wanted to start a wiki space for coordinating and documenting
>>> various aspects of wc-ng. I'm happy to add any devs to the svnhelp
>>> project to help edit pages.
>>
>> I expect you know this already and just do not care for the other
>> reasons you listed. But when tigris was upgraded last year it added
>> Wiki to the tools available to projects.
>>
>> http://subversion.tigris.org/wiki
>
> Had no idea where it was (since it isn't linked from anywhere). Thx.
The overrides we do to the tigris links hides stuff and breaks other
links like for the discussion moderation. The Subclipse project uses
the default tigris features if you want to see what is available:
http://subclipse.tigris.org/
--
Thanks
Mark Phippard
http://markphip.blogspot.com/
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:30, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Concrete:
>> I wanted to start a wiki space for coordinating and documenting
>> various aspects of wc-ng. I'm happy to add any devs to the svnhelp
>> project to help edit pages.
>
> I expect you know this already and just do not care for the other
> reasons you listed. But when tigris was upgraded last year it added
> Wiki to the tools available to projects.
>
> http://subversion.tigris.org/wiki
Had no idea where it was (since it isn't linked from anywhere). Thx.
And yah... there are a glom of reasons for liking the svnhelp.g.c route...
Cheers,
-g
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:56 AM, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Concrete:
> I wanted to start a wiki space for coordinating and documenting
> various aspects of wc-ng. I'm happy to add any devs to the svnhelp
> project to help edit pages.
I expect you know this already and just do not care for the other
reasons you listed. But when tigris was upgraded last year it added
Wiki to the tools available to projects.
http://subversion.tigris.org/wiki
--
Thanks
Mark Phippard
http://markphip.blogspot.com/
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 14:51, Stefan Sperling <st...@stsp.name> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:56:47AM +0200, Greg Stein wrote:
>> Back-to-meta:
>> I created this project on Google Code to help cordinate the wc-ng
>> effort
>
> Why not just use the mailing list?
Crap gets lost. Mail is good for discussion. Not taking notes or
maintaining a to-do list.
>> but also in the hope of providing a focal point for a
>> user-to-user wiki,
>
> I don't see the point of creating another wiki for users.
> There already is one, and it's not being used much:
> http://www.orcaware.com/svn/wiki/Main_Page
Kinda hard to use a wiki if nobody knows about it (Blair's or the one built in).
>> an awesome user-friendly issue-tracker,
>
> So how will this issue tracker integrate with our tigris.org issue tracker?
> I don't want us to be managing issue numbers in two different namespaces.
I have no idea.
If it was up to me, I'd cut and run like we did with leaving history
behind in CVS. Could also do some kind of data migration, I guess. Or
not use it.
>> and a fab download site.
>
> We could provide more discoverable links on svn.tigris.org/getting.html
> for the latest version of any tigris archives.
Sure. But I'll also point out that a simple script can PUT a download
onto Google Code without filing a ticket, and have that file end up at
a URL such as:
http://svnhelp.googlecode.com/files/subversion-1.6.1.tar.gz2
Statistics, labels, auto-SHA1 sigs, etc, come with that.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
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Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Stefan Sperling <st...@elego.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:56:47AM +0200, Greg Stein wrote:
>> Back-to-meta:
>> I created this project on Google Code to help cordinate the wc-ng
>> effort
>
> Why not just use the mailing list?
>
>> but also in the hope of providing a focal point for a
>> user-to-user wiki,
>
> I don't see the point of creating another wiki for users.
> There already is one, and it's not being used much:
> http://www.orcaware.com/svn/wiki/Main_Page
If Blair does not mind, maybe we should move that content to the Wiki on tigris?
--
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Mark Phippard
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Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Stefan Sperling <st...@elego.de>.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 09:56:47AM +0200, Greg Stein wrote:
> Back-to-meta:
> I created this project on Google Code to help cordinate the wc-ng
> effort
Why not just use the mailing list?
> but also in the hope of providing a focal point for a
> user-to-user wiki,
I don't see the point of creating another wiki for users.
There already is one, and it's not being used much:
http://www.orcaware.com/svn/wiki/Main_Page
> an awesome user-friendly issue-tracker,
So how will this issue tracker integrate with our tigris.org issue tracker?
I don't want us to be managing issue numbers in two different namespaces.
> and a fab download site.
We could provide more discoverable links on svn.tigris.org/getting.html
for the latest version of any tigris archives.
Stefan
Re: [svnhelp commit] r9 - Edited wiki page through web user
interface.
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>.
Meta:
Talking with Hyrum, I skipped sending these commit messages to
svn@s.t.o per his thinking "that mailing list is for commits to the
code". I've pointed the edits here (dev@), since I believe the
messages are part of our developer discussion. Your thoughts are
welcome.
Concrete:
I wanted to start a wiki space for coordinating and documenting
various aspects of wc-ng. I'm happy to add any devs to the svnhelp
project to help edit pages.
Back-to-meta:
I created this project on Google Code to help cordinate the wc-ng
effort, but also in the hope of providing a focal point for a
user-to-user wiki, an awesome user-friendly issue-tracker, and a fab
download site. I can take the project in several directions, based on
community response:
1) "sounds good". action: add people to the project and link to it
from appropriate places.
2) "bleh". action: keep it semi-private for dev efforts and redirect
people away.
3) ???
Thanks,
-g
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 07:40, <co...@google.com> wrote:
> Author: gstein
> Date: Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
> New Revision: 9
>
> Modified:
> wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
>
> Log:
> Edited wiki page through web user interface.
>
> Modified: wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki
> ==============================================================================
> --- wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki (original)
> +++ wiki/DevWCNGSwitch.wiki Wed Apr 22 21:44:07 2009
> @@ -17,4 +17,19 @@
> * modifications within `wc_db` should kill the
> `pdh->adm_access->entries_all` cache
> * watch out for memory balloon of `adm_access->pool`
>
> -_What else?_
> \ No newline at end of file
> +_What else?_
> +
> +== Thoughts ==
> +
> +Transitioning from wc-1 to wc-ng is made very difficult by the fact
> +that a ton of code is aware of the "stub" in the parent dirctory
> +containing some information subdirectories. Most important is the
> +"deleted" flag (not explained here). The separation of state between
> +the stub entry in the parent, and the "full" entry in the subdir
> +itself is seen throughout the code. Finding a proper abstraction
> +for this to ease the transition will be very important.
> +
> +Another consideration is the "schedule" concept. wc-ng uses very
> +different ideas ("presence" is the key state, and then "status" is
> +derived from that). These are not one-to-one mappings, so it is
> +not a simple code transformation to switch to wc-ng.
> \ No newline at end of file
>
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