Re: [storm-user] Re: ATTENTION - storm...@googlegroups.com is now deprecated.

[Ted Dunning <te...@gmail.com>]

Yes.  It is a requirement.

The basis of the requiring this is that the mailing lists are an archival
record of how design decisions were made (thus the saying that if it
doesn't happen on the list, it doesn't happen). This record is important
because it documents who contributed what, when and why.  That, in turn, is
important because of the Apache license standards.  In order to protect and
control the archival record, ASF requires that all mailing lists be handled
on Apache hardware.  Similar arguments apply to the master version control
system and to the master copy of all distribution artifacts.

Yes.  It can be a (small) pain.  No, it isn't a big deal to use the Apache
mailing lists.  Just as with the source control systems, there are
alternative interfaces available if you like.

The licensing rigor at Apache is a major factor, however, and rigor can't
be added retrospectively.  Such a requirement for rigor is also not shared
by external hosting services such as Google.  There isn't even a guarantee
that Google groups will be here next year (remember Reader?).

Many Apache products are very high profile and the development history of
some projects has been brought into court cases regarding intellectual
property and there are hints that certain groups have tried to inject
security faults by tampering with the development process (and not the ones
you hear about in the news lately).  If you think about the impact that
httpd, Tomcat, Lucene and Hadoop have, you begin to see why.

The hope is that Storm will join that group of key projects.

Thus the need to switch mailing lists.

Sorry for the inconvenience.






On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Dave Kincaid <ki...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is this a requirement of joining Apache? I find the Google groups MUCH
> easier to use than the Apache ones. In fact, I avoid the Apache groups
> altogether. If there is any way to stay here, I for one would really like
> that better.
>
> Dave
>
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 10:15:21 PM UTC-6, P. Taylor Goetz wrote:
>>
>> The google groups account storm...@googlegroups.com is now officially
>> deprecated in favor of the Apache-hosted user/dev mailing lists.
>>
>> ## Storm Users
>> Storm users should now send messages and subscribe to
>> us...@storm.incubator.apache.com.
>>
>> You can subscribe to this list by sending an email to user-su...@storm.
>> incubator.apache.org. Likewise, you can cancel a subscription by sending
>> an email to user-uns...@storm.incubator.apache.org.
>>
>> You can view the archives of the mailing list here:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-storm-user/
>>
>> ## Storm Developers
>> Storm developers should now send messages and subscribe to
>> us...@storm.incubator.apache.com.
>>
>> You can subscribe to this list by sending an email to
>> dev-su...@storm.incubator.apache.org. Likewise, you can cancel a
>> subscription by sending an email to dev-uns...@storm.incubator.apache.org.
>>
>>
>> You can view the archives of the mailing list here:
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-storm-dev/
>>
>> ## Which list do I send/subscribe to?
>> If you are using a pre-built binary distribution of Storm, then chances
>> are you should send questions, comments, storm-related announcements, etc.
>> to us...@storm.apache.incubator.org.
>>
>> If you are building storm from source, developing new features, or
>> otherwise hacking storm source code, then d...@storm.incubator.apache.orgis more appropriate.
>>
>> ## What will happen with storm...@googlegroups.com?
>> All existing messages will remain archived there, and can be
>> accessed/searched here: https://groups.google.com/
>> forum/#!forum/storm-user
>>
>> New messages sent to storm...@googlegroups.com will either be
>> rejected/bounced or replied to with a message to direct the email to the
>> appropriate Apache-hosted group.
>>
>> - Taylor
>>
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