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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Indra Pramana <in...@sg.or.id> on 2013/07/16 05:07:19 UTC
Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Dear all,
It seems that in CloudStack's advanced network zone configuration, we need
to prepare one isolated network VLAN for each guest network for customers.
My concern is that this will severely limit the number of customers we can
have within the zone, since we have a limitation of the number of VLANs we
can create on the switch level. My switch can only support up to 4,096
VLANs maximum.
Is there a way for us to configure shared VLAN for the users' guest
network? Or is it only available on basic network zone configuration?
Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
Cheers.
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by bala sundaram <ba...@gmail.com>.
Hi Alessandro,
Its not a mistake in your configuration. It's a GUI fault, button
missing :p Please use the Api to create shared networks until 4.1.2 is
released. Please file a jira for the case if it isn't already created.
Thank you..
Thanks and Regards,
bala
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Alessandro Ciancaglini <
alessandro.ciancaglini@gmail.com> wrote:
> ops! sorry!
>
> this is the link to the screeshot :
> http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/206/i0wb.png
>
> kind regards,
> Ale
>
>
> 2013/8/23 Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>
>
> > Alessandro,
> >
> > Attachments are stripped on this ML. Could you post it somewhere? Kirk
> > probably got it though, because he was directly sent the message. The
> > rest of the ML may be able to help as well if you share it with the
> > community.
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:41:10PM +0200, Alessandro Ciancaglini wrote:
> > > Hi Kirk,
> > >
> > > find the attacched screenshot... please consider thant I'm still able
> to
> > > create shared network trough API (& cloud monkey), but since in that
> way
> > I
> > > wasn't been able to make my shared network work.... I want to try with
> > GUI.
> > >
> > > But... is really possible? Some setting is missing in my conf?
> > >
> > > kind regards,
> > > Ale
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/8/23 Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > Hi, Are you sure you are in the correct location of the UI? Can you
> > > > upload a screen shot?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Kirk
> > > >
> > > > On 08/22/2013 09:26 AM, alessandro wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <kirkkosinski@
> > ...>wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI
> is
> > > > >>> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks
> > under
> > > > the
> > > > >>> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones
> > (select
> > > > the
> > > > >>> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click
> Add
> > > > guest
> > > > >>> network.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the
> > virtual
> > > > >>> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to
> > set up
> > > > >>> your own router for the VLAN.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Best regards,
> > > > >>> Kirk
> > > > >>>
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't
> > have
> > > > any
> > > > > "Add guest network"
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks a lot
> > > > > alessandro
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Alessandro Ciancaglini <al...@gmail.com>.
ops! sorry!
this is the link to the screeshot :
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/206/i0wb.png
kind regards,
Ale
2013/8/23 Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>
> Alessandro,
>
> Attachments are stripped on this ML. Could you post it somewhere? Kirk
> probably got it though, because he was directly sent the message. The
> rest of the ML may be able to help as well if you share it with the
> community.
>
> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:41:10PM +0200, Alessandro Ciancaglini wrote:
> > Hi Kirk,
> >
> > find the attacched screenshot... please consider thant I'm still able to
> > create shared network trough API (& cloud monkey), but since in that way
> I
> > wasn't been able to make my shared network work.... I want to try with
> GUI.
> >
> > But... is really possible? Some setting is missing in my conf?
> >
> > kind regards,
> > Ale
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/8/23 Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hi, Are you sure you are in the correct location of the UI? Can you
> > > upload a screen shot?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Kirk
> > >
> > > On 08/22/2013 09:26 AM, alessandro wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <kirkkosinski@
> ...>wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
> > > >>> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks
> under
> > > the
> > > >>> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones
> (select
> > > the
> > > >>> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add
> > > guest
> > > >>> network.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the
> virtual
> > > >>> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to
> set up
> > > >>> your own router for the VLAN.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Best regards,
> > > >>> Kirk
> > > >>>
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't
> have
> > > any
> > > > "Add guest network"
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
> > > >
> > > > thanks a lot
> > > > alessandro
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Chip Childers <ch...@sungard.com>.
Alessandro,
Attachments are stripped on this ML. Could you post it somewhere? Kirk
probably got it though, because he was directly sent the message. The
rest of the ML may be able to help as well if you share it with the
community.
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 03:41:10PM +0200, Alessandro Ciancaglini wrote:
> Hi Kirk,
>
> find the attacched screenshot... please consider thant I'm still able to
> create shared network trough API (& cloud monkey), but since in that way I
> wasn't been able to make my shared network work.... I want to try with GUI.
>
> But... is really possible? Some setting is missing in my conf?
>
> kind regards,
> Ale
>
>
>
> 2013/8/23 Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>
>
> > Hi, Are you sure you are in the correct location of the UI? Can you
> > upload a screen shot?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kirk
> >
> > On 08/22/2013 09:26 AM, alessandro wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@...>wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
> > >>> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under
> > the
> > >>> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select
> > the
> > >>> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add
> > guest
> > >>> network.
> > >>>
> > >>> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
> > >>> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
> > >>> your own router for the VLAN.
> > >>>
> > >>> Best regards,
> > >>> Kirk
> > >>>
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't have
> > any
> > > "Add guest network"
> > >
> > > I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
> > >
> > > thanks a lot
> > > alessandro
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> alessandro ciancaglini
> http://www.overweb.it
> Mob +39 348 7012050
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Alessandro Ciancaglini <al...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kirk,
find the attacched screenshot... please consider thant I'm still able to
create shared network trough API (& cloud monkey), but since in that way I
wasn't been able to make my shared network work.... I want to try with GUI.
But... is really possible? Some setting is missing in my conf?
kind regards,
Ale
2013/8/23 Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>
> Hi, Are you sure you are in the correct location of the UI? Can you
> upload a screen shot?
>
> Best regards,
> Kirk
>
> On 08/22/2013 09:26 AM, alessandro wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@...>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
> >>> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under
> the
> >>> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select
> the
> >>> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add
> guest
> >>> network.
> >>>
> >>> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
> >>> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
> >>> your own router for the VLAN.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Kirk
> >>>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't have
> any
> > "Add guest network"
> >
> > I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
> >
> > thanks a lot
> > alessandro
> >
> >
>
--
alessandro ciancaglini
http://www.overweb.it
Mob +39 348 7012050
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Dean Kamali <de...@gmail.com>.
I'm using CS4.1 with advanced zone, and I don't see an option to add guest
network
[image: Inline image 1]
I remember seeing it when I was using 4.0.2
Any idea?
On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:01 AM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi, Are you sure you are in the correct location of the UI? Can you
> upload a screen shot?
>
> Best regards,
> Kirk
>
> On 08/22/2013 09:26 AM, alessandro wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@...>wrote:
> >>
> >>> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
> >>> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under
> the
> >>> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select
> the
> >>> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add
> guest
> >>> network.
> >>>
> >>> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
> >>> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
> >>> your own router for the VLAN.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Kirk
> >>>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't have
> any
> > "Add guest network"
> >
> > I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
> >
> > thanks a lot
> > alessandro
> >
> >
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Are you sure you are in the correct location of the UI? Can you
upload a screen shot?
Best regards,
Kirk
On 08/22/2013 09:26 AM, alessandro wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@...>wrote:
>>
>>> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
>>> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under the
>>> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select the
>>> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add guest
>>> network.
>>>
>>> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
>>> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
>>> your own router for the VLAN.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Kirk
>>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't have any
> "Add guest network"
>
> I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
>
> thanks a lot
> alessandro
>
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by alessandro <al...@gmail.com>.
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@...>wrote:
>
> > Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
> > slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under the
> > Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select the
> > zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add guest
> > network.
> >
> > A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
> > router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
> > your own router for the VLAN.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kirk
> >
Hi,
I found this thread and I think my issue was solved, but... I don't have any
"Add guest network"
I'm sure I'm using advanced zone... could you help me?
thanks a lot
alessandro
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Indra Pramana <in...@sg.or.id>.
Hi Kirk,
Good day to you, and thank you for your e-mail.
Got it, let me try. Thanks for your assistance.
Cheers.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
> slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under the
> Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select the
> zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add guest
> network.
>
> A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
> router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
> your own router for the VLAN.
>
> Best regards,
> Kirk
>
> On 07/15/2013 08:55 PM, Indra Pramana wrote:
> > Hi Kirk,
> >
> > Good day to you, and thank you for your e-mail.
> >
> > Can I used shared VLAN for guest networks in an advanced zone network
> > configuration? I tried to create a new guest network via the Cloudstack
> > GUI under Network > Guest networks > Add guest network but I can't add a
> > shared guest network. Under the "Network Offering" field, only
> > "DefaultIsolatedNetworkOfferingWithSourceNatService" is available to be
> > used, despite having a lot of other types of network offerings under
> > Service Offerings > Network Offerings.
> >
> > Or do I need to switch to basic zone network? I really don't want to
> > lose the features which are only available in advanced zone network,
> > such as virtual router and firewalls, etc.
> >
> > Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kirk Kosinski <kirkkosinski@gmail.com
> > <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, having isolated networks share VLANs would defeat the purpose of
> an
> > isolated network. If the per zone VLAN count is a major concern,
> > consider using shared networks instead. If you definitely want to
> use
> > isolated networks, you can add additional zones since guest networks
> > don't go across zones.
> >
> > Be careful when planning VLAN capacity since your switch or even
> > hypervisors may not be able to handle anywhere close to 4096 VLANs.
> > Some switches can only do 10% of that, and it's even less for some
> > hypervisors (e.g. old XenServer versions, and even the latest "only"
> > supports 800 VLANs). Definitely check with the vendor or docs to
> find
> > the real versus theoretical maximum.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kirk
> >
> > On 07/15/2013 08:07 PM, Indra Pramana wrote:
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > It seems that in CloudStack's advanced network zone configuration,
> > we need
> > > to prepare one isolated network VLAN for each guest network for
> > customers.
> > > My concern is that this will severely limit the number of
> > customers we can
> > > have within the zone, since we have a limitation of the number of
> > VLANs we
> > > can create on the switch level. My switch can only support up to
> 4,096
> > > VLANs maximum.
> > >
> > > Is there a way for us to configure shared VLAN for the users' guest
> > > network? Or is it only available on basic network zone
> configuration?
> > >
> > > Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> >
> >
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>.
Shared networks are *only* available in advanced zones. The UI is
slightly confusing, though. You cannot create shared networks under the
Network tab, rather you need to create them in Infra > Zones (select the
zone) > Physical Network (select it) > Guest > Network > click Add guest
network.
A shared network can be shared by multiple accounts, but the virtual
router for a shared network does not do any routing; you need to set up
your own router for the VLAN.
Best regards,
Kirk
On 07/15/2013 08:55 PM, Indra Pramana wrote:
> Hi Kirk,
>
> Good day to you, and thank you for your e-mail.
>
> Can I used shared VLAN for guest networks in an advanced zone network
> configuration? I tried to create a new guest network via the Cloudstack
> GUI under Network > Guest networks > Add guest network but I can't add a
> shared guest network. Under the "Network Offering" field, only
> "DefaultIsolatedNetworkOfferingWithSourceNatService" is available to be
> used, despite having a lot of other types of network offerings under
> Service Offerings > Network Offerings.
>
> Or do I need to switch to basic zone network? I really don't want to
> lose the features which are only available in advanced zone network,
> such as virtual router and firewalls, etc.
>
> Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kirk Kosinski <kirkkosinski@gmail.com
> <ma...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi, having isolated networks share VLANs would defeat the purpose of an
> isolated network. If the per zone VLAN count is a major concern,
> consider using shared networks instead. If you definitely want to use
> isolated networks, you can add additional zones since guest networks
> don't go across zones.
>
> Be careful when planning VLAN capacity since your switch or even
> hypervisors may not be able to handle anywhere close to 4096 VLANs.
> Some switches can only do 10% of that, and it's even less for some
> hypervisors (e.g. old XenServer versions, and even the latest "only"
> supports 800 VLANs). Definitely check with the vendor or docs to find
> the real versus theoretical maximum.
>
> Best regards,
> Kirk
>
> On 07/15/2013 08:07 PM, Indra Pramana wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It seems that in CloudStack's advanced network zone configuration,
> we need
> > to prepare one isolated network VLAN for each guest network for
> customers.
> > My concern is that this will severely limit the number of
> customers we can
> > have within the zone, since we have a limitation of the number of
> VLANs we
> > can create on the switch level. My switch can only support up to 4,096
> > VLANs maximum.
> >
> > Is there a way for us to configure shared VLAN for the users' guest
> > network? Or is it only available on basic network zone configuration?
> >
> > Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
>
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Indra Pramana <in...@sg.or.id>.
Hi Kirk,
Good day to you, and thank you for your e-mail.
Can I used shared VLAN for guest networks in an advanced zone network
configuration? I tried to create a new guest network via the Cloudstack GUI
under Network > Guest networks > Add guest network but I can't add a shared
guest network. Under the "Network Offering" field, only
"DefaultIsolatedNetworkOfferingWithSourceNatService" is available to be
used, despite having a lot of other types of network offerings under
Service Offerings > Network Offerings.
Or do I need to switch to basic zone network? I really don't want to lose
the features which are only available in advanced zone network, such as
virtual router and firewalls, etc.
Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
Cheers.
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi, having isolated networks share VLANs would defeat the purpose of an
> isolated network. If the per zone VLAN count is a major concern,
> consider using shared networks instead. If you definitely want to use
> isolated networks, you can add additional zones since guest networks
> don't go across zones.
>
> Be careful when planning VLAN capacity since your switch or even
> hypervisors may not be able to handle anywhere close to 4096 VLANs.
> Some switches can only do 10% of that, and it's even less for some
> hypervisors (e.g. old XenServer versions, and even the latest "only"
> supports 800 VLANs). Definitely check with the vendor or docs to find
> the real versus theoretical maximum.
>
> Best regards,
> Kirk
>
> On 07/15/2013 08:07 PM, Indra Pramana wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > It seems that in CloudStack's advanced network zone configuration, we
> need
> > to prepare one isolated network VLAN for each guest network for
> customers.
> > My concern is that this will severely limit the number of customers we
> can
> > have within the zone, since we have a limitation of the number of VLANs
> we
> > can create on the switch level. My switch can only support up to 4,096
> > VLANs maximum.
> >
> > Is there a way for us to configure shared VLAN for the users' guest
> > network? Or is it only available on basic network zone configuration?
> >
> > Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
>
Re: Shared VLAN allocation for guest network on advanced zone?
Posted by Kirk Kosinski <ki...@gmail.com>.
Hi, having isolated networks share VLANs would defeat the purpose of an
isolated network. If the per zone VLAN count is a major concern,
consider using shared networks instead. If you definitely want to use
isolated networks, you can add additional zones since guest networks
don't go across zones.
Be careful when planning VLAN capacity since your switch or even
hypervisors may not be able to handle anywhere close to 4096 VLANs.
Some switches can only do 10% of that, and it's even less for some
hypervisors (e.g. old XenServer versions, and even the latest "only"
supports 800 VLANs). Definitely check with the vendor or docs to find
the real versus theoretical maximum.
Best regards,
Kirk
On 07/15/2013 08:07 PM, Indra Pramana wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> It seems that in CloudStack's advanced network zone configuration, we need
> to prepare one isolated network VLAN for each guest network for customers.
> My concern is that this will severely limit the number of customers we can
> have within the zone, since we have a limitation of the number of VLANs we
> can create on the switch level. My switch can only support up to 4,096
> VLANs maximum.
>
> Is there a way for us to configure shared VLAN for the users' guest
> network? Or is it only available on basic network zone configuration?
>
> Looking forward to your reply, thank you.
>
> Cheers.
>