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Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Hi People,
Has anyone really experienced in using SOAP attachments.
I have a few queries for him/her:
1) When I add attachments to my SOAP message, documents are attached as
reference or the whole content of the document is added in the SOAP
messsage (attached as value)?
2) If attached as value, what should be the considerable size of the
attachment?
3) If the documents are attached as reference, how to download or upload
them? What about their serialization, security?
4) What are the disadvantages of using Attachments?
5) Can attachments be used for download and upload of documents?
6) It would be great, if anyone can give me some links to read about
attachments with sample code? I am not looking out for SOAP attachment
specification link :-).
7) Which version of Axis is best for Attachments?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
Start here
http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-mtom/
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From: "Rathore, Amit Singh (STSD)" <ra...@hp.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Hi People,
Has anyone really experienced in using SOAP attachments.
I have a few queries for him/her:
1) When I add attachments to my SOAP message, documents are attached as
reference or the whole content of the document is added in the SOAP
messsage (attached as value)?
2) If attached as value, what should be the considerable size of the
attachment?
3) If the documents are attached as reference, how to download or upload
them? What about their serialization, security?
4) What are the disadvantages of using Attachments?
5) Can attachments be used for download and upload of documents?
6) It would be great, if anyone can give me some links to read about
attachments with sample code? I am not looking out for SOAP attachment
specification link :-).
7) Which version of Axis is best for Attachments?
Thanks in advance.
--
Amit Singh Rathore
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Re: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
Dan-
Out of band attachments had no security with DIME
Ditto on suggestion to upgrade to MTOM
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From: "Anne Thomas Manes" <at...@gmail.com>
To: <ax...@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
> Upgrade to MTOM.
>
> On 7/25/06, Daniel Beland <dc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> I also have a question on the subject. I already have some web servicesAttach
>> using DIME attachments as described in the Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
>>
>> Everything is working, except that we cannot know based on the WSDL that my
>> operation is expecting an attachment. Is there a standard way of specifying
>> that we require 1-n attachments and the format? Or we have to rely on
>> documentation and hoping the developer will read it properly?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/23/06, Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Amit,
>> >
>> > On 7/23/06, Rathore, Amit Singh (STSD) <ra...@hp.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi People,
>> > > Has anyone really experienced in using SOAP attachments.
>> > >
>> > > I have a few queries for him/her:
>> > > 1) When I add attachments to my SOAP message, documents are attached as
>> > > reference or the whole content of the document is added in the SOAP
>> > > messsage (attached as value)?
>> >
>> > "Attachment" implies attach by value. If you reference a file, you
>> > don't need to use an attachment. You simply include a URL as an
>> > element in your message.
>> >
>> > Typically, an "attachment" refers to binary data. It's inefficient to
>> > encode binary data in an XML document. It's more appropriate to send
>> > the binary data in a separate package (e.g., a separate MIME part in a
>> > MIME multipart/related message).
>> >
>> > To date, there are three mechanisms used to pass binary data:
>> >
>> > SOAP with Attachments (SwA) -- where the binary data is completely
>> > separate from the data model of the SOAP message (the message InfoSet)
>> > using MIME packaging.
>> >
>> > WS-Attachments -- where the binary data is completely separate from
>> > the SOAP message InfoSet using DIME packaging.
>> >
>> > MTOM -- where the binary data is part of the SOAP message Infoset, but
>> > it is packaged on the wire into a separate MIME part.
>> >
>> > The original Java WS APIs (SAAJ, JAX-RPC, and JAXM) require SwA. ebXML
>> > requires SwA. Unfortunately, Microsoft .NET WSE and WCF (aka "Indigo)
>> > do not support SwA. They supports WS-Attachments. Axis1 supports both
>> > SwA and WS-Attachments.
>> >
>> > MTOM is rapidly becoming the new standard for sending binary data.
>> > Originally designed for SOAP 1.2, a new spec also defines how to use
>> > MTOM with SOAP 1.1. JAX-WS requires support for MTOM. .NET WSE 3.0 and
>> > WCF both support MTOM. Axis2 supports MTOM.
>> >
>> > > 2) If attached as value, what should be the considerable size of the
>> > > attachment?
>> >
>> > You should always consider the size of the binary data you want to
>> > send. All three binary data packaging systems support streaming, so
>> > theoretically, you should be able to send any size file -- but reailty
>> > is often different from theory. Many SOAP engines impose a limit on
>> > binary data size. For extremely large files, it might be more
>> > appropriate to pass the data by reference.
>> >
>> > > 3) If the documents are attached as reference, how to download or upload
>> > > them? What about their serialization, security?
>> >
>> > When attached by reference that data transfer is handled out-of-band
>> > -- using FTP or a similar appropriate protocol.
>> >
>> > > 4) What are the disadvantages of using Attachments?
>> >
>> > Interoperability is still a serious issue.
>> >
>> > > 5) Can attachments be used for download and upload of documents?
>> >
>> > Attachments should be used to exchange binary data.
>> >
>> > > 6) It would be great, if anyone can give me some links to read about
>> > > attachments with sample code? I am not looking out for SOAP attachment
>> > > specification link :-).
>> >
>> > See
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/axis-user@xml.apache.org/msg08732/Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
>> >
>> > > 7) Which version of Axis is best for Attachments?
>> >
>> > For SwA and WS-Attachments, use Axis1.
>> > For MTOM, use Axis2.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance.
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Amit Singh Rathore
>> > >
>> > >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > >
>> > >
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Re: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com>.
Upgrade to MTOM.
On 7/25/06, Daniel Beland <dc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I also have a question on the subject. I already have some web services
> using DIME attachments as described in the Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
>
> Everything is working, except that we cannot know based on the WSDL that my
> operation is expecting an attachment. Is there a standard way of specifying
> that we require 1-n attachments and the format? Or we have to rely on
> documentation and hoping the developer will read it properly?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
>
>
>
> On 7/23/06, Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Amit,
> >
> > On 7/23/06, Rathore, Amit Singh (STSD) <ra...@hp.com> wrote:
> > > Hi People,
> > > Has anyone really experienced in using SOAP attachments.
> > >
> > > I have a few queries for him/her:
> > > 1) When I add attachments to my SOAP message, documents are attached as
> > > reference or the whole content of the document is added in the SOAP
> > > messsage (attached as value)?
> >
> > "Attachment" implies attach by value. If you reference a file, you
> > don't need to use an attachment. You simply include a URL as an
> > element in your message.
> >
> > Typically, an "attachment" refers to binary data. It's inefficient to
> > encode binary data in an XML document. It's more appropriate to send
> > the binary data in a separate package (e.g., a separate MIME part in a
> > MIME multipart/related message).
> >
> > To date, there are three mechanisms used to pass binary data:
> >
> > SOAP with Attachments (SwA) -- where the binary data is completely
> > separate from the data model of the SOAP message (the message InfoSet)
> > using MIME packaging.
> >
> > WS-Attachments -- where the binary data is completely separate from
> > the SOAP message InfoSet using DIME packaging.
> >
> > MTOM -- where the binary data is part of the SOAP message Infoset, but
> > it is packaged on the wire into a separate MIME part.
> >
> > The original Java WS APIs (SAAJ, JAX-RPC, and JAXM) require SwA. ebXML
> > requires SwA. Unfortunately, Microsoft .NET WSE and WCF (aka "Indigo)
> > do not support SwA. They supports WS-Attachments. Axis1 supports both
> > SwA and WS-Attachments.
> >
> > MTOM is rapidly becoming the new standard for sending binary data.
> > Originally designed for SOAP 1.2, a new spec also defines how to use
> > MTOM with SOAP 1.1. JAX-WS requires support for MTOM. .NET WSE 3.0 and
> > WCF both support MTOM. Axis2 supports MTOM.
> >
> > > 2) If attached as value, what should be the considerable size of the
> > > attachment?
> >
> > You should always consider the size of the binary data you want to
> > send. All three binary data packaging systems support streaming, so
> > theoretically, you should be able to send any size file -- but reailty
> > is often different from theory. Many SOAP engines impose a limit on
> > binary data size. For extremely large files, it might be more
> > appropriate to pass the data by reference.
> >
> > > 3) If the documents are attached as reference, how to download or upload
> > > them? What about their serialization, security?
> >
> > When attached by reference that data transfer is handled out-of-band
> > -- using FTP or a similar appropriate protocol.
> >
> > > 4) What are the disadvantages of using Attachments?
> >
> > Interoperability is still a serious issue.
> >
> > > 5) Can attachments be used for download and upload of documents?
> >
> > Attachments should be used to exchange binary data.
> >
> > > 6) It would be great, if anyone can give me some links to read about
> > > attachments with sample code? I am not looking out for SOAP attachment
> > > specification link :-).
> >
> > See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/axis-user@xml.apache.org/msg08732/Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
> >
> > > 7) Which version of Axis is best for Attachments?
> >
> > For SwA and WS-Attachments, use Axis1.
> > For MTOM, use Axis2.
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Amit Singh Rathore
> > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Posted by Daniel Beland <dc...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I also have a question on the subject. I already have some web services
using DIME attachments as described in the Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
Everything is working, except that we cannot know based on the WSDL that my
operation is expecting an attachment. Is there a standard way of specifying
that we require 1-n attachments and the format? Or we have to rely on
documentation and hoping the developer will read it properly?
Thanks,
Daniel
On 7/23/06, Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Amit,
>
> On 7/23/06, Rathore, Amit Singh (STSD) <ra...@hp.com> wrote:
> > Hi People,
> > Has anyone really experienced in using SOAP attachments.
> >
> > I have a few queries for him/her:
> > 1) When I add attachments to my SOAP message, documents are attached as
> > reference or the whole content of the document is added in the SOAP
> > messsage (attached as value)?
>
> "Attachment" implies attach by value. If you reference a file, you
> don't need to use an attachment. You simply include a URL as an
> element in your message.
>
> Typically, an "attachment" refers to binary data. It's inefficient to
> encode binary data in an XML document. It's more appropriate to send
> the binary data in a separate package (e.g., a separate MIME part in a
> MIME multipart/related message).
>
> To date, there are three mechanisms used to pass binary data:
>
> SOAP with Attachments (SwA) -- where the binary data is completely
> separate from the data model of the SOAP message (the message InfoSet)
> using MIME packaging.
>
> WS-Attachments -- where the binary data is completely separate from
> the SOAP message InfoSet using DIME packaging.
>
> MTOM -- where the binary data is part of the SOAP message Infoset, but
> it is packaged on the wire into a separate MIME part.
>
> The original Java WS APIs (SAAJ, JAX-RPC, and JAXM) require SwA. ebXML
> requires SwA. Unfortunately, Microsoft .NET WSE and WCF (aka "Indigo)
> do not support SwA. They supports WS-Attachments. Axis1 supports both
> SwA and WS-Attachments.
>
> MTOM is rapidly becoming the new standard for sending binary data.
> Originally designed for SOAP 1.2, a new spec also defines how to use
> MTOM with SOAP 1.1. JAX-WS requires support for MTOM. .NET WSE 3.0 and
> WCF both support MTOM. Axis2 supports MTOM.
>
> > 2) If attached as value, what should be the considerable size of the
> > attachment?
>
> You should always consider the size of the binary data you want to
> send. All three binary data packaging systems support streaming, so
> theoretically, you should be able to send any size file -- but reailty
> is often different from theory. Many SOAP engines impose a limit on
> binary data size. For extremely large files, it might be more
> appropriate to pass the data by reference.
>
> > 3) If the documents are attached as reference, how to download or upload
> > them? What about their serialization, security?
>
> When attached by reference that data transfer is handled out-of-band
> -- using FTP or a similar appropriate protocol.
>
> > 4) What are the disadvantages of using Attachments?
>
> Interoperability is still a serious issue.
>
> > 5) Can attachments be used for download and upload of documents?
>
> Attachments should be used to exchange binary data.
>
> > 6) It would be great, if anyone can give me some links to read about
> > attachments with sample code? I am not looking out for SOAP attachment
> > specification link :-).
>
> See
> http://www.mail-archive.com/axis-user@xml.apache.org/msg08732/Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
>
> > 7) Which version of Axis is best for Attachments?
>
> For SwA and WS-Attachments, use Axis1.
> For MTOM, use Axis2.
>
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > --
> > Amit Singh Rathore
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: axis-user-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: axis-user-help@ws.apache.org
> >
> >
>
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Re: Attachments Expert - Queries for you
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <at...@gmail.com>.
Amit,
On 7/23/06, Rathore, Amit Singh (STSD) <ra...@hp.com> wrote:
> Hi People,
> Has anyone really experienced in using SOAP attachments.
>
> I have a few queries for him/her:
> 1) When I add attachments to my SOAP message, documents are attached as
> reference or the whole content of the document is added in the SOAP
> messsage (attached as value)?
"Attachment" implies attach by value. If you reference a file, you
don't need to use an attachment. You simply include a URL as an
element in your message.
Typically, an "attachment" refers to binary data. It's inefficient to
encode binary data in an XML document. It's more appropriate to send
the binary data in a separate package (e.g., a separate MIME part in a
MIME multipart/related message).
To date, there are three mechanisms used to pass binary data:
SOAP with Attachments (SwA) -- where the binary data is completely
separate from the data model of the SOAP message (the message InfoSet)
using MIME packaging.
WS-Attachments -- where the binary data is completely separate from
the SOAP message InfoSet using DIME packaging.
MTOM -- where the binary data is part of the SOAP message Infoset, but
it is packaged on the wire into a separate MIME part.
The original Java WS APIs (SAAJ, JAX-RPC, and JAXM) require SwA. ebXML
requires SwA. Unfortunately, Microsoft .NET WSE and WCF (aka "Indigo)
do not support SwA. They supports WS-Attachments. Axis1 supports both
SwA and WS-Attachments.
MTOM is rapidly becoming the new standard for sending binary data.
Originally designed for SOAP 1.2, a new spec also defines how to use
MTOM with SOAP 1.1. JAX-WS requires support for MTOM. .NET WSE 3.0 and
WCF both support MTOM. Axis2 supports MTOM.
> 2) If attached as value, what should be the considerable size of the
> attachment?
You should always consider the size of the binary data you want to
send. All three binary data packaging systems support streaming, so
theoretically, you should be able to send any size file -- but reailty
is often different from theory. Many SOAP engines impose a limit on
binary data size. For extremely large files, it might be more
appropriate to pass the data by reference.
> 3) If the documents are attached as reference, how to download or upload
> them? What about their serialization, security?
When attached by reference that data transfer is handled out-of-band
-- using FTP or a similar appropriate protocol.
> 4) What are the disadvantages of using Attachments?
Interoperability is still a serious issue.
> 5) Can attachments be used for download and upload of documents?
Attachments should be used to exchange binary data.
> 6) It would be great, if anyone can give me some links to read about
> attachments with sample code? I am not looking out for SOAP attachment
> specification link :-).
See http://www.mail-archive.com/axis-user@xml.apache.org/msg08732/Fear_of_Attachments.pdf
> 7) Which version of Axis is best for Attachments?
For SwA and WS-Attachments, use Axis1.
For MTOM, use Axis2.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> --
> Amit Singh Rathore
>
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