Re: Why I am opposed to retaining the name Geronimo, and whi I consider this VOTE to be biased.

[Alvin Thompson <al...@thompsonlogic.com>]

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i'm also new to this apache approach to doing things, and quite frankly
i'm amazed anything ever gets done. so much time and effort wasted on
this idiotic discussion on whether Geronimo would like his name used
this way? talk about political correctness run amok! i've got news for
you: IT'S JUST A NAME! GERONIMO'S DEAD; HE DOES NOT CARE WHAT NAME YOU
USE! GET A LIFE AND GET SOME ACTUAL WORK DONE! do not clutter my inbox
with useless drivel like what Geronimo would have wanted.

i'm sure i'm angering people when i say that this discussion is not just
stupid, but moronic. but to be perfectly honest, if you're the type of
person who thinks this topic is important enough to waste all this time
on, i really don't care if i anger you or not, because you probably
don't matter.

i (like everyone, i'm sure) consider myself to be an above-average
programmer. i have my fingerprints on many projects (do a google search
on my name), and i really wanted to help on this one. but i have never,
ever seen a project so utterly without direction (of its rank-and-file
members) as this one.

to the leadership of this project: shame on you! whenever you have
forums degenerate into such a mess, where so much time is wasted over
something so trivial and there is such a profound resistance to anything
but the status quo, it is always because the project lacks clear,
effective, leadership and the members are basically jockeying for
position in the meritocracy.

i am sure you (the leadership) are very talented programmers, but this
is a project of very large scope and you cannot hope to do everything
that needs to be done yourselves. i don't care where you get it from,
but you had better come up with some large-team management skills in a
hurry. this project is young, but it already has become a frozen,
mozilla-like quagmire.

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On Mon, 2003-12-22 at 01:42, Ralph Harnden wrote:
> This group is ridiculous.  I am unsubscribing....
> 
> Greg Wilkins <gr...@mortbay.com> wrote: 
>         
>         Tim Anderson wrote:
>         > If this project can get written permission from Geronimo's
>         descendents
>         > or his custodians, then by all means use the name Geronimo.
>         > If not, find another name.
>         
>         Tim,
>         
>         I don't think permission is needed to reuse a name.
>         
>         There a probably millions of people out there called Jesus.
>         Babies are named all the time after famous people.
>         I know cats called Albert Einstein.
>         David Beckams first child was named after a bridge in new york
>         I'm named after 3 popes and I'm not even catholic.
>         
>         
>         cheers
>         
-- 
Alvin Thompson

Navy: 34
Army: 6

Re: Why I am opposed to retaining the name Geronimo, and whi I consider this VOTE to be biased.

[Rogers Cadenhead <ro...@cadenhead.org>]

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:17:27 -0500, Alvin Thompson wrote:
> i (like everyone, i'm sure) consider myself to be an above-average
> programmer. i have my fingerprints on many projects (do a google
> search on my name), and i really wanted to help on this one. but i 
> have never, ever seen a project so utterly without direction (of its
> rank-and-file members) as this one.

Apologies for extending this discussion further, but your comment 
boggles my mind. Have you checked out the Geronimo code with CVS and 
looked at how much work has been accomplished in the four months since 
the project began? Are you reading the CVS list? As someone else who 
is new to the "Apache way," I'm amazed so much has come together in so 
little time.

It's a shame that all this energy is being expended on the issue of 
the name, but to my thinking that may be a good argument for dumping 
the name Geronimo and moving on. When any number of names would be 
suitable, why buy the grief?
-- 
Rogers Cadenhead, rogers@cadenhead.org on 12/22/2003
Weblog: http://www.cadenhead.org/workbench

P.s. The committers are 15-to-1 in favor of keeping the name Geronimo, 
according to the STATUS file, so this may be resolved soon.