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Posted to dev@tomee.apache.org by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> on 2007/12/08 15:35:37 UTC
Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Hi,
I had a EJB3 presentation on a Poznan University yesterday. I had done
it with Glassfish as it's nicely integrated with NetBeans IDE 6 which
provides features for Java EE development beyond those I could find in
Eclipse (I'm not talking about RAD7.5 though that's around the
corner). I'm alone missing tools for openejb I could use for ejb3
development. The Geronimo plugin for NetBeans I'm working on takes
ages to be finished even for a basic use cases.
I wonder what people use for their EJB3 developments. I keep thinking
about a m2 plugin for developing ejb3 and running unit tests without
much trouble. I can't say what exactly I have in my mind as it's just
an idea I had for a long time. I miss a tool, but can't say exactly
what it should be. I like the way the jetty-maven-plugin works where I
could run a webapp on jetty with just mvn jetty:run or similar. I wish
I could have something similar for openejb3, but can't figure out how
it should work. Should openejb (or the plugin itself) provide a http
connector that would allow people execute tests? NetBeans/Glassfish
have a nice interface for web services testing when ejb3 annotated
with @WebService can be deployed to Glassfish and a special URL points
to the Tester web application that allows to execute @WebMethod's.
Can anyone point me into a right direction? What pieces I miss to
finish the puzzle? I seem puzzled.
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jason Dillon <ja...@planet57.com>.
Did you notice that when the space overview mode (ie. F8) that the display is realtime, shows video playing on a space.... :-)
--jason
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:13:33
To:dev@openejb.apache.org
Subject: Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Yeah Desktop Manager was awesome...until I got Leopard...then I use
Spaces ;-) (Same thing more or less)
Jeff
Alexander Saint Croix wrote:
> You're very welcome.
>
> Another GREAT way to transition on the fly between different views, and
> probably the one I recommend the most, is to use the OS X desktop manager
> software, which is another third party app. I got around to testing iShowU
> and the desktop manager in concert earlier, and made a little demo of the
> results:
>
> https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6990
>
> It works very well--so you can set up different views / programs on
> different desktop panels. Terminal on one, Web server on the other, IDE on
> the third, iPhoto in the fourth, etc. Then in your demo you can just swap
> back and forth between them like they're 'camera 1', 'camera 2', etc.
>
> Hokay, back to my entity bean mappings, fellows.
> --
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 4:54 PM, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Wow...very creative and impressive. I never would have thought about
>> doing a seamless move between iPhoto and IntelliJ...very cool. Now that
>> I think about it...using this with Spaces and doing a transition between
>> the two could be ultra cool.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing how you did this...its always neat to learn new tricks.
>>
>> Jeff
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Yeah Desktop Manager was awesome...until I got Leopard...then I use
Spaces ;-) (Same thing more or less)
Jeff
Alexander Saint Croix wrote:
> You're very welcome.
>
> Another GREAT way to transition on the fly between different views, and
> probably the one I recommend the most, is to use the OS X desktop manager
> software, which is another third party app. I got around to testing iShowU
> and the desktop manager in concert earlier, and made a little demo of the
> results:
>
> https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6990
>
> It works very well--so you can set up different views / programs on
> different desktop panels. Terminal on one, Web server on the other, IDE on
> the third, iPhoto in the fourth, etc. Then in your demo you can just swap
> back and forth between them like they're 'camera 1', 'camera 2', etc.
>
> Hokay, back to my entity bean mappings, fellows.
> --
> Alex
>
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 4:54 PM, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Wow...very creative and impressive. I never would have thought about
>> doing a seamless move between iPhoto and IntelliJ...very cool. Now that
>> I think about it...using this with Spaces and doing a transition between
>> the two could be ultra cool.
>>
>> Thanks for sharing how you did this...its always neat to learn new tricks.
>>
>> Jeff
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Alexander Saint Croix <sa...@gmail.com>.
You're very welcome.
Another GREAT way to transition on the fly between different views, and
probably the one I recommend the most, is to use the OS X desktop manager
software, which is another third party app. I got around to testing iShowU
and the desktop manager in concert earlier, and made a little demo of the
results:
https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6990
It works very well--so you can set up different views / programs on
different desktop panels. Terminal on one, Web server on the other, IDE on
the third, iPhoto in the fourth, etc. Then in your demo you can just swap
back and forth between them like they're 'camera 1', 'camera 2', etc.
Hokay, back to my entity bean mappings, fellows.
--
Alex
On Dec 14, 2007 4:54 PM, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Wow...very creative and impressive. I never would have thought about
> doing a seamless move between iPhoto and IntelliJ...very cool. Now that
> I think about it...using this with Spaces and doing a transition between
> the two could be ultra cool.
>
> Thanks for sharing how you did this...its always neat to learn new tricks.
>
> Jeff
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Oh yeah...forgot to add...
For Video compression I have had great luck with Sorenson Squeeze. Also
Handbrake does a pretty nice job of compressing things down as well.
Jeff
Alexander Saint Croix wrote:
> I didn't build this--thankfully. I just bought it from iShowU for $20.
>
> It's just desktop/screencast recording software. And the sound of me typing
> was actually me typing, and it got added realtime to the video. When I hit
> the "finish" button, it stopped recording and left the quicktime movie on my
> desktop, ready to go. No editing required. The audio comes in off of the
> laptop microphone, but you could route sound through an external mic if you
> prefer that. The smooth transition was from iPhoto to IntelliJ IDEA and I
> did it by minimizing the iPhoto window as you normally would. IntelliJ was
> behind it (I set up each before I turned on the screen recorder). I also
> tested making a recording and swapping back and forth between the OSX
> desktop manager windows, and it recorded exactly like it should have done,
> so you could set up different programs on different desktops and just swap
> back and forth between them.
>
> The video was obviously off of the MBP's iSight cam. So, if you have a
> MacBook, you need zero extra hardware to get started.
>
> I bought a compression program called "Stomp" along with iShowU and tried it
> out, but it seems a bit crashy so don't recommend it for compression at this
> time. Hopefully this helps Dain & David with their Doco efforts.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Alex
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 1:35 PM, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Look into Snapz Pro...that was made for what you want to do. Although
>> what Alexander built was pretty cool. I'd like to know how he swapped
>> from a face shot to the iShowU so smoothly and how the mouse clicks got
>> dubbed in. Pretty cool stuff.
>>
>> Jeff
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Wow...very creative and impressive. I never would have thought about
doing a seamless move between iPhoto and IntelliJ...very cool. Now that
I think about it...using this with Spaces and doing a transition between
the two could be ultra cool.
Thanks for sharing how you did this...its always neat to learn new tricks.
Jeff
Alexander Saint Croix wrote:
> I didn't build this--thankfully. I just bought it from iShowU for $20.
>
> It's just desktop/screencast recording software. And the sound of me typing
> was actually me typing, and it got added realtime to the video. When I hit
> the "finish" button, it stopped recording and left the quicktime movie on my
> desktop, ready to go. No editing required. The audio comes in off of the
> laptop microphone, but you could route sound through an external mic if you
> prefer that. The smooth transition was from iPhoto to IntelliJ IDEA and I
> did it by minimizing the iPhoto window as you normally would. IntelliJ was
> behind it (I set up each before I turned on the screen recorder). I also
> tested making a recording and swapping back and forth between the OSX
> desktop manager windows, and it recorded exactly like it should have done,
> so you could set up different programs on different desktops and just swap
> back and forth between them.
>
> The video was obviously off of the MBP's iSight cam. So, if you have a
> MacBook, you need zero extra hardware to get started.
>
> I bought a compression program called "Stomp" along with iShowU and tried it
> out, but it seems a bit crashy so don't recommend it for compression at this
> time. Hopefully this helps Dain & David with their Doco efforts.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Alex
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2007 1:35 PM, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Look into Snapz Pro...that was made for what you want to do. Although
>> what Alexander built was pretty cool. I'd like to know how he swapped
>> from a face shot to the iShowU so smoothly and how the mouse clicks got
>> dubbed in. Pretty cool stuff.
>>
>> Jeff
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Alexander Saint Croix <sa...@gmail.com>.
I didn't build this--thankfully. I just bought it from iShowU for $20.
It's just desktop/screencast recording software. And the sound of me typing
was actually me typing, and it got added realtime to the video. When I hit
the "finish" button, it stopped recording and left the quicktime movie on my
desktop, ready to go. No editing required. The audio comes in off of the
laptop microphone, but you could route sound through an external mic if you
prefer that. The smooth transition was from iPhoto to IntelliJ IDEA and I
did it by minimizing the iPhoto window as you normally would. IntelliJ was
behind it (I set up each before I turned on the screen recorder). I also
tested making a recording and swapping back and forth between the OSX
desktop manager windows, and it recorded exactly like it should have done,
so you could set up different programs on different desktops and just swap
back and forth between them.
The video was obviously off of the MBP's iSight cam. So, if you have a
MacBook, you need zero extra hardware to get started.
I bought a compression program called "Stomp" along with iShowU and tried it
out, but it seems a bit crashy so don't recommend it for compression at this
time. Hopefully this helps Dain & David with their Doco efforts.
Cheers,
--
Alex
On Dec 14, 2007 1:35 PM, Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org> wrote:
> Look into Snapz Pro...that was made for what you want to do. Although
> what Alexander built was pretty cool. I'd like to know how he swapped
> from a face shot to the iShowU so smoothly and how the mouse clicks got
> dubbed in. Pretty cool stuff.
>
> Jeff
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jeff Genender <jg...@apache.org>.
Look into Snapz Pro...that was made for what you want to do. Although
what Alexander built was pretty cool. I'd like to know how he swapped
from a face shot to the iShowU so smoothly and how the mouse clicks got
dubbed in. Pretty cool stuff.
Jeff
Dain Sundstrom wrote:
> Wow that is sweet!
>
> The hard part for me is capturing the video. After that, I can use
> something like iMovie to create the final content and VisualHub to
> compress to multiple formats.
>
> -dain
>
> On Dec 14, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Alexander Saint Croix wrote:
>
>> Jacek,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback. :-)
>>
>> One problem with AV content is directing and production. It does take a
>> long time to get the hang of being clear, concise, and especially when
>> talking about software, specific. So, let's hope lots of people don't
>> start
>> sending you guys their problems via screencasts. The second problem
>> is that
>> most people (myself included) don't bother to write up transcripts. Our
>> MediaMill platform in the College of Liberal Arts has transcription
>> metadata
>> built in, so I could conceivably spend the extra ten minutes after
>> producing
>> a short video like these to correctly mark up the text.
>>
>> That said, I spoke with some of the guys on the OpenJPA list and got a
>> great
>> response on how to resolve my OneToMany mapping problem. I did a second,
>> hopefully more understandable, screencast of the solution so that I could
>> get some more content and more opportunity to test different delivery /
>> compression codecs. Here's the recommended solution to my bidirectional
>> OneToMany question:
>>
>> Flash8 (640x480): https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6965
>> Flash8 (480x360): https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6967
>> iPod (large):
>> https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/download.php?file=6966.m4v
>>
>> It took me a few minutes to make the video, less than a minute to
>> upload the
>> raw content to our MediaMill server, a couple of minutes to enter some
>> metadata for the video (name, description, copyright, etc) and then I
>> selected which derivative formats I wanted to produce. At that point
>> I was
>> free to leave and make tea. After about 30 minutes, all three were
>> compressed and online for the public. Since production takes place at
>> our
>> compression farm, I didn't have to expend resources on my local
>> computer to
>> do the heavy work.
>>
>> The Flash8 codecs compress remarkably quickly--less than five minutes for
>> both of them. The iPod codec took FOREVER to do its work. I don't
>> know how
>> useful this sort of doco would be on an iPod, but people might love it.
>>
>> I think I could help you guys roll out a lot of content--short pieces
>> like
>> the one above to promote OpenEJB. For my own part, I'm in the process of
>> producing a series of articles on Container Driven Testing on an ATOM
>> stack
>> (Apache Tomcat, OpenEJB, MySQL). These videos will serve as
>> "value-added"
>> content throughout the articles.
>>
>> Another observation is that prior to compression, the videos are in .MOV
>> format, and should be editable via QuickTime. So long uncomfortable
>> pauses
>> and the like can be wiped, soundtracks can be added, etc. A final
>> observation is that the iShowU recorder cuts off the last three-five
>> seconds
>> of input, so give yourself a nice long pause before terminating the
>> recording when you're using it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Alexander Saint Croix
>>
>>
>> I don't see any problems with the video. It's fine for me (I'm no
>>> speaking about its content per se, which is about mapping and the word
>>> mapping was mentioned so many times that I heard only mapping - I
>>> don't think it's because it was about gardening but the compression
>>> software had a bug in itself and changed all 'flowers' to 'mapping'
>>> ;-))
>>>
>>> Jacek
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jacek Laskowski
>>> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>>>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
Wow that is sweet!
The hard part for me is capturing the video. After that, I can use
something like iMovie to create the final content and VisualHub to
compress to multiple formats.
-dain
On Dec 14, 2007, at 7:56 AM, Alexander Saint Croix wrote:
> Jacek,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. :-)
>
> One problem with AV content is directing and production. It does
> take a
> long time to get the hang of being clear, concise, and especially when
> talking about software, specific. So, let's hope lots of people
> don't start
> sending you guys their problems via screencasts. The second
> problem is that
> most people (myself included) don't bother to write up
> transcripts. Our
> MediaMill platform in the College of Liberal Arts has transcription
> metadata
> built in, so I could conceivably spend the extra ten minutes after
> producing
> a short video like these to correctly mark up the text.
>
> That said, I spoke with some of the guys on the OpenJPA list and
> got a great
> response on how to resolve my OneToMany mapping problem. I did a
> second,
> hopefully more understandable, screencast of the solution so that I
> could
> get some more content and more opportunity to test different
> delivery /
> compression codecs. Here's the recommended solution to my
> bidirectional
> OneToMany question:
>
> Flash8 (640x480): https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6965
> Flash8 (480x360): https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6967
> iPod (large):
> https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/download.php?file=6966.m4v
>
> It took me a few minutes to make the video, less than a minute to
> upload the
> raw content to our MediaMill server, a couple of minutes to enter some
> metadata for the video (name, description, copyright, etc) and then I
> selected which derivative formats I wanted to produce. At that
> point I was
> free to leave and make tea. After about 30 minutes, all three were
> compressed and online for the public. Since production takes place
> at our
> compression farm, I didn't have to expend resources on my local
> computer to
> do the heavy work.
>
> The Flash8 codecs compress remarkably quickly--less than five
> minutes for
> both of them. The iPod codec took FOREVER to do its work. I don't
> know how
> useful this sort of doco would be on an iPod, but people might love
> it.
>
> I think I could help you guys roll out a lot of content--short
> pieces like
> the one above to promote OpenEJB. For my own part, I'm in the
> process of
> producing a series of articles on Container Driven Testing on an
> ATOM stack
> (Apache Tomcat, OpenEJB, MySQL). These videos will serve as "value-
> added"
> content throughout the articles.
>
> Another observation is that prior to compression, the videos are
> in .MOV
> format, and should be editable via QuickTime. So long
> uncomfortable pauses
> and the like can be wiped, soundtracks can be added, etc. A final
> observation is that the iShowU recorder cuts off the last three-
> five seconds
> of input, so give yourself a nice long pause before terminating the
> recording when you're using it.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Alexander Saint Croix
>
>
> I don't see any problems with the video. It's fine for me (I'm no
>> speaking about its content per se, which is about mapping and the
>> word
>> mapping was mentioned so many times that I heard only mapping - I
>> don't think it's because it was about gardening but the compression
>> software had a bug in itself and changed all 'flowers' to 'mapping'
>> ;-))
>>
>> Jacek
>>
>> --
>> Jacek Laskowski
>> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Alexander Saint Croix <sa...@gmail.com>.
Jacek,
Thanks for the feedback. :-)
One problem with AV content is directing and production. It does take a
long time to get the hang of being clear, concise, and especially when
talking about software, specific. So, let's hope lots of people don't start
sending you guys their problems via screencasts. The second problem is that
most people (myself included) don't bother to write up transcripts. Our
MediaMill platform in the College of Liberal Arts has transcription metadata
built in, so I could conceivably spend the extra ten minutes after producing
a short video like these to correctly mark up the text.
That said, I spoke with some of the guys on the OpenJPA list and got a great
response on how to resolve my OneToMany mapping problem. I did a second,
hopefully more understandable, screencast of the solution so that I could
get some more content and more opportunity to test different delivery /
compression codecs. Here's the recommended solution to my bidirectional
OneToMany question:
Flash8 (640x480): https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6965
Flash8 (480x360): https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6967
iPod (large):
https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/download.php?file=6966.m4v
It took me a few minutes to make the video, less than a minute to upload the
raw content to our MediaMill server, a couple of minutes to enter some
metadata for the video (name, description, copyright, etc) and then I
selected which derivative formats I wanted to produce. At that point I was
free to leave and make tea. After about 30 minutes, all three were
compressed and online for the public. Since production takes place at our
compression farm, I didn't have to expend resources on my local computer to
do the heavy work.
The Flash8 codecs compress remarkably quickly--less than five minutes for
both of them. The iPod codec took FOREVER to do its work. I don't know how
useful this sort of doco would be on an iPod, but people might love it.
I think I could help you guys roll out a lot of content--short pieces like
the one above to promote OpenEJB. For my own part, I'm in the process of
producing a series of articles on Container Driven Testing on an ATOM stack
(Apache Tomcat, OpenEJB, MySQL). These videos will serve as "value-added"
content throughout the articles.
Another observation is that prior to compression, the videos are in .MOV
format, and should be editable via QuickTime. So long uncomfortable pauses
and the like can be wiped, soundtracks can be added, etc. A final
observation is that the iShowU recorder cuts off the last three-five seconds
of input, so give yourself a nice long pause before terminating the
recording when you're using it.
Cheers,
--
Alexander Saint Croix
I don't see any problems with the video. It's fine for me (I'm no
> speaking about its content per se, which is about mapping and the word
> mapping was mentioned so many times that I heard only mapping - I
> don't think it's because it was about gardening but the compression
> software had a bug in itself and changed all 'flowers' to 'mapping'
> ;-))
>
> Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On Dec 14, 2007 5:34 AM, Alexander Saint Croix
<sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That said, the problem I discuss in the video is a real one. You should all
> be able to see it and judge the quality.
I don't see any problems with the video. It's fine for me (I'm no
speaking about its content per se, which is about mapping and the word
mapping was mentioned so many times that I heard only mapping - I
don't think it's because it was about gardening but the compression
software had a bug in itself and changed all 'flowers' to 'mapping'
;-))
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Alexander Saint Croix <sa...@gmail.com>.
Okay, scratch that last post. I did some digging among our video research
divisions and came up with iShowU, which is remarkably better for recording,
simple and inexpensive. The compression program that I purchased alongside
it, Stomp, is not great. I can't get it to run through an entire
compression cycle without crashing. Thankfully, I don't need Stomp. The
University of Minnesota has the Media Mill, which is more or less a big
media compression farm. I've posted an example of the compressed screencast
here:
https://mediamill.cla.umn.edu/mediamill/embed/6962
That said, the problem I discuss in the video is a real one. You should all
be able to see it and judge the quality. This is compressed Flash video
stream, but I should be able to do any conceivable format, including iPod
video, without any difficulties. So, if you guys had a decent upload
location, I could easily queue and compress any video documentation you
wanted in just about any format you want. If you've got some compression
software you'd rather use, that'd also be great.
Cheers,
--
Alexander Saint Croix
On Dec 13, 2007 3:26 PM, Alexander Saint Croix <sa...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> There IS a process for screencasting from OS X. It involves a bit of
> futzing, but I think we can figure it out for making screencast demos:
>
> http://ejohn.org/blog/free-screencasts-osx/
>
> HTH,
> --
> Alex
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2007 1:08 AM, Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 13, 2007 12:44 AM, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> > > My plan it to make a video of it with help from my fried Alex. It
> > > was a very short talk and I only had 6 slides including a Title and
> > > End Note slide. Any way, here are the 4 real slides as text:
> >
> > They're an excellent way to create a documentation on "Why we should
> > care about OpenEJB?" or...an article.
> >
> > Jacek
> >
> > --
> > Jacek Laskowski
> > http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
> >
>
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Alexander Saint Croix <sa...@gmail.com>.
There IS a process for screencasting from OS X. It involves a bit of
futzing, but I think we can figure it out for making screencast demos:
http://ejohn.org/blog/free-screencasts-osx/
HTH,
--
Alex
On Dec 13, 2007 1:08 AM, Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 2007 12:44 AM, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> > My plan it to make a video of it with help from my fried Alex. It
> > was a very short talk and I only had 6 slides including a Title and
> > End Note slide. Any way, here are the 4 real slides as text:
>
> They're an excellent way to create a documentation on "Why we should
> care about OpenEJB?" or...an article.
>
> Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
>
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On Dec 13, 2007 12:44 AM, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> My plan it to make a video of it with help from my fried Alex. It
> was a very short talk and I only had 6 slides including a Title and
> End Note slide. Any way, here are the 4 real slides as text:
They're an excellent way to create a documentation on "Why we should
care about OpenEJB?" or...an article.
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
My plan it to make a video of it with help from my fried Alex. It
was a very short talk and I only had 6 slides including a Title and
End Note slide. Any way, here are the 4 real slides as text:
Vision
Bring JEE services to Tomcat instead of burying Tomcat in a JEE
server
Goals
Leverage existing knowledge
Tomcat users shouldn’t have to learn anything new
Add to Tomcat; don’t break stuff
All existing tools, scripts, add-ons should just work
Must take no effort to test-drive
How Does It Work?
Add JEE libraries to Tomcat class loader
Add OpenEJB listener to Tomcat
Process web apps for JEE services
Load Web Services and EJBs
Update JNDI tree
Reuse
Use the Tomcat deployment system
Use the Tomcat security system
Use the Tomcat class loader
Use the Tomcat JNDI implementation
Use the Tomcat shell scripts
Use the Tomcat directory structure
-dain
On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:46 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2007 12:09 AM, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
>
>> I gave a demo of using out-of-the-box intellij to develop an app with
>> Servlets+JPA+WS+EJB at ApacheCon. The demo took about 10 minutes :D
>
> Do you have slides I could take a look at?
>
> Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On Dec 12, 2007 12:09 AM, Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com> wrote:
> I gave a demo of using out-of-the-box intellij to develop an app with
> Servlets+JPA+WS+EJB at ApacheCon. The demo took about 10 minutes :D
Do you have slides I could take a look at?
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Dain Sundstrom <da...@iq80.com>.
If you are using Tomcat+OpenEJB, you can use the Tomcat plugin built
into every IDE to develop JEE application!
I gave a demo of using out-of-the-box intellij to develop an app with
Servlets+JPA+WS+EJB at ApacheCon. The demo took about 10 minutes :D
-dain
On Dec 9, 2007, at 3:12 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> On Dec 8, 2007 10:44 PM, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand what you mean about IDE tools beyond running
>> applications
>> that extend into assisting in writing the code itself. We have that
>> tool Jonathan is working on that will take an ejb 2.1 app or lower
>> and
>> add the required annotations to your source code so that you won't
>> need the xml anymore -- a reverse XDoclet. No one else is doing
>> anything like that and when they see it they'll all rush to copy it.
>
> That's one of the reason such a plugin might be very helpful. You
> could run mvn openejb:telcodx (the word 'xdoclet' reversed) and have
> it done.
>
>> I don't understand what you mean by "a m2 plugin for developing ejb3
>> and running unit tests without much trouble." Unit testing EJBs
>> in an
>> embedded EJB container that runs without much trouble is our claim to
>> fame. We've been doing it since EJB 1.1 and do it so well we don't
>> need tools. There's a whole directory of examples that run in m2 or
>> ant with no plugin at all. Running the same tests from your IDE is
>> just as easy and can be done with the same setup. Meaning you don't
>> need an OpenEJB-Maven plugin to run the unit tests in your build and
>> another OpenEJB-Netbeans plugin to run the same unit test in your
>> IDE.
>
> I've been thinking about it today and I must admit you helped me a lot
> to figure out what I was after. You mentioned that out junit tests do
> all the nifty stuff right away at no cost. Just add appropriate
> setUp() to your tests and you're ready to go. That's the point.
> There're teams where introducing new tools are *not* an option. What I
> figured out is to let people execute openejb with their m2 ejb/ear
> projects right from a project with no changes at all (so others in the
> team don't complain it could break a project). So, no openejb code
> (even the initial context factory in setUp) and running mvn
> openejb:validate would run validation of a ejb project or mvn
> openejb:run that would execute openejb with the ejbs. Is it available
> now? I don't think so.
>
> Jacek
>
> --
> Jacek Laskowski
> http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by Jacek Laskowski <ja...@laskowski.net.pl>.
On Dec 8, 2007 10:44 PM, David Blevins <da...@visi.com> wrote:
> I understand what you mean about IDE tools beyond running applications
> that extend into assisting in writing the code itself. We have that
> tool Jonathan is working on that will take an ejb 2.1 app or lower and
> add the required annotations to your source code so that you won't
> need the xml anymore -- a reverse XDoclet. No one else is doing
> anything like that and when they see it they'll all rush to copy it.
That's one of the reason such a plugin might be very helpful. You
could run mvn openejb:telcodx (the word 'xdoclet' reversed) and have
it done.
> I don't understand what you mean by "a m2 plugin for developing ejb3
> and running unit tests without much trouble." Unit testing EJBs in an
> embedded EJB container that runs without much trouble is our claim to
> fame. We've been doing it since EJB 1.1 and do it so well we don't
> need tools. There's a whole directory of examples that run in m2 or
> ant with no plugin at all. Running the same tests from your IDE is
> just as easy and can be done with the same setup. Meaning you don't
> need an OpenEJB-Maven plugin to run the unit tests in your build and
> another OpenEJB-Netbeans plugin to run the same unit test in your IDE.
I've been thinking about it today and I must admit you helped me a lot
to figure out what I was after. You mentioned that out junit tests do
all the nifty stuff right away at no cost. Just add appropriate
setUp() to your tests and you're ready to go. That's the point.
There're teams where introducing new tools are *not* an option. What I
figured out is to let people execute openejb with their m2 ejb/ear
projects right from a project with no changes at all (so others in the
team don't complain it could break a project). So, no openejb code
(even the initial context factory in setUp) and running mvn
openejb:validate would run validation of a ejb project or mvn
openejb:run that would execute openejb with the ejbs. Is it available
now? I don't think so.
Jacek
--
Jacek Laskowski
http://www.JacekLaskowski.pl
Re: Thoughts on EJB3 tools OpenEJB integrate with
Posted by David Blevins <da...@visi.com>.
On Dec 8, 2007, at 6:35 AM, Jacek Laskowski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I had a EJB3 presentation on a Poznan University yesterday. I had done
> it with Glassfish as it's nicely integrated with NetBeans IDE 6 which
> provides features for Java EE development beyond those I could find in
> Eclipse (I'm not talking about RAD7.5 though that's around the
> corner). I'm alone missing tools for openejb I could use for ejb3
> development. The Geronimo plugin for NetBeans I'm working on takes
> ages to be finished even for a basic use cases.
>
> I wonder what people use for their EJB3 developments. I keep thinking
> about a m2 plugin for developing ejb3 and running unit tests without
> much trouble. I can't say what exactly I have in my mind as it's just
> an idea I had for a long time. I miss a tool, but can't say exactly
> what it should be. I like the way the jetty-maven-plugin works where I
> could run a webapp on jetty with just mvn jetty:run or similar. I wish
> I could have something similar for openejb3, but can't figure out how
> it should work. Should openejb (or the plugin itself) provide a http
> connector that would allow people execute tests? NetBeans/Glassfish
> have a nice interface for web services testing when ejb3 annotated
> with @WebService can be deployed to Glassfish and a special URL points
> to the Tester web application that allows to execute @WebMethod's.
>
> Can anyone point me into a right direction? What pieces I miss to
> finish the puzzle? I seem puzzled.
:)
I understand what you mean about IDE tools beyond running applications
that extend into assisting in writing the code itself. We have that
tool Jonathan is working on that will take an ejb 2.1 app or lower and
add the required annotations to your source code so that you won't
need the xml anymore -- a reverse XDoclet. No one else is doing
anything like that and when they see it they'll all rush to copy it.
I don't understand what you mean by "a m2 plugin for developing ejb3
and running unit tests without much trouble." Unit testing EJBs in an
embedded EJB container that runs without much trouble is our claim to
fame. We've been doing it since EJB 1.1 and do it so well we don't
need tools. There's a whole directory of examples that run in m2 or
ant with no plugin at all. Running the same tests from your IDE is
just as easy and can be done with the same setup. Meaning you don't
need an OpenEJB-Maven plugin to run the unit tests in your build and
another OpenEJB-Netbeans plugin to run the same unit test in your IDE.
You can develop an EJB3 application the exact same way you would
develop a normal application, without any tools at all. Write a
couple lines in your IDE, run your unit test. Rinse and repeat. No
need to click start/stop buttons, deploy/undeploy buttons or
anything. Just write code, run test, write code, run test, etc. etc..
Regarding testing WebServices, the same approach can be used. You can
boot the http server and webservices support in your test case as
well. Though that sounds "heavy" it's not. Here's an example of that:
http://openejb.apache.org/embedded-and-remotable.html
We do so much out of the box and hassle-free that other guys need
tools to do. The fact that they need tools isn't something to brag
about but something to be embarrassed about. EJB3 was designed to be
a tool-free API and with OpenEJB3 it truly is.
We even support other vendors' deployment descriptors, like Glassfish,
so the pleasure of truly simple EJB3 development isn't restricted to
people who use OpenEJB in production.
-David