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Posted to user@livy.apache.org by Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com> on 2021/06/04 05:01:35 UTC

RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire

Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!

I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.

Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?

Thanks,
Renat

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
To: dev@livy.apache.org
Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire

Hi Bikas,

Thanks for bringing this here.

I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.

Regards
JB

> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
> 
> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
> 
>  1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>     *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0
>  2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>     *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0
> 
> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
> 
> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
> 
> Bikas
>

RE: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com>.

Yes, that makes sense.

Thanks,
Renat

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:20 PM
To: user@livy.apache.org
Cc: dev@livy.apache.org; dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Hi,

I think it's more valuable to have messages on the mailing list more than a meeting. The reason is that it's easier to archive and count the activity on the mailing list. So, these numbers could be interesting as argument for graduation.

Regards
JB

> Le 4 juin 2021 à 07:01, Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com> a écrit :
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> 
> I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.
> 
> Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> 
> Thanks,
> Renat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb@nanthrax.net <ma...@nanthrax.net>> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org <ma...@livy.apache.org>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org <ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Hi Bikas,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this here.
> 
> I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
>> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
>> 
>> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
>> 
>> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327660521%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=I3MqK4%2Bq1QUniN5dH0GGQY%2FR1wY5uovqcg%2BsHk6MZoY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327670480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=t59rnMMVtJpk8hYBec720Jw%2FakFFAQ7BAKV%2BMt5rfCI%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327670480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=%2BDcnNzp%2Bn41DJPWpSczDRXMN4JT3VlurX4Y%2BnI%2BYX5E%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327670480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=%2BDcnNzp%2Bn41DJPWpSczDRXMN4JT3VlurX4Y%2BnI%2BYX5E%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> 
>> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
>> 
>> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
>> 
>> Bikas

RE: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com.INVALID>.

Yes, that makes sense.

Thanks,
Renat

-----Original Message-----
From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net> 
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:20 PM
To: user@livy.apache.org
Cc: dev@livy.apache.org; dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Hi,

I think it's more valuable to have messages on the mailing list more than a meeting. The reason is that it's easier to archive and count the activity on the mailing list. So, these numbers could be interesting as argument for graduation.

Regards
JB

> Le 4 juin 2021 à 07:01, Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com> a écrit :
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> 
> I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.
> 
> Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> 
> Thanks,
> Renat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb@nanthrax.net <ma...@nanthrax.net>> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org <ma...@livy.apache.org>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org <ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Hi Bikas,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this here.
> 
> I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
>> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
>> 
>> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
>> 
>> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327660521%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=I3MqK4%2Bq1QUniN5dH0GGQY%2FR1wY5uovqcg%2BsHk6MZoY%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327670480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=t59rnMMVtJpk8hYBec720Jw%2FakFFAQ7BAKV%2BMt5rfCI%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327670480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=%2BDcnNzp%2Bn41DJPWpSczDRXMN4JT3VlurX4Y%2BnI%2BYX5E%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C9db276b1f636474a076508d9271878ba%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583808327670480%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=%2BDcnNzp%2Bn41DJPWpSczDRXMN4JT3VlurX4Y%2BnI%2BYX5E%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> 
>> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
>> 
>> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
>> 
>> Bikas

Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>.

Hi,

I think it’s more valuable to have messages on the mailing list more than a meeting. The reason is that it’s easier to archive and count the activity on the mailing list. So, these numbers could be interesting as argument for graduation.

Regards
JB

> Le 4 juin 2021 à 07:01, Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com> a écrit :
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> 
> I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.
> 
> Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> 
> Thanks,
> Renat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb@nanthrax.net <ma...@nanthrax.net>> 
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org <ma...@livy.apache.org>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org <ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Hi Bikas,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this here.
> 
> I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
>> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
>> 
>> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
>> 
>> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0 <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> 
>> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
>> 
>> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
>> 
>> Bikas

Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org>.

Hi Akshat,

How about taking a stab at the items in this checklist.
https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html

Thanks
Bikas

________________________________
From: Akshat Bordia <ak...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2021 10:32 PM
To: user@livy.apache.org <us...@livy.apache.org>; dev@livy.apache.org <de...@livy.apache.org>; dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org <us...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Hi Bikas,

+1 for graduating the project. I would be willing to help with the graduation checklist and other contributions.

Thanks,
Akshat

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>> wrote:
Hi Bikas,

As always, I’m happy to help.

Regards
JB

> Le 13 juin 2021 à 02:03, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org>> a écrit :
>
> Hi all,
>
> For the project to graduate or continue without retiring it needs 3 PMCs who will be taking care of the project (like regular releases etc.).
> To graduate, it needs a volunteer to complete the tasks required in the graduation checklist - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> Folks willing to volunteer please reply to this thread. Without that I am afraid the project might have to retire or force to be retired by the Incubator.
>
> Thanks
> Bikas
>
> ________________________________
> From: Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com>.INVALID>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:01 PM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org<ma...@livy.apache.org> <de...@livy.apache.org>>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org<ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org> <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org<ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org> <us...@livy.incubator.apache.org>>
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
>
> Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
>
> I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.
>
> Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
>
> Thanks,
> Renat
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org<ma...@livy.apache.org>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org<ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org<ma...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
>
> Hi Bikas,
>
> Thanks for bringing this here.
>
> I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org>> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
>>
>> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
>>
>> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
>>
>> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
>>
>> Bikas
>>
>



--
Regards,
Akshat Bordia
Email id : akshat.bordia31@gmail.com<ma...@gmail.com>

Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Akshat Bordia <ak...@gmail.com>.

Hi Bikas,

+1 for graduating the project. I would be willing to help with the
graduation checklist and other contributions.

Thanks,
Akshat

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:

> Hi Bikas,
>
> As always, I’m happy to help.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> > Le 13 juin 2021 à 02:03, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For the project to graduate or continue without retiring it needs 3 PMCs
> who will be taking care of the project (like regular releases etc.).
> > To graduate, it needs a volunteer to complete the tasks required in the
> graduation checklist - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> > Folks willing to volunteer please reply to this thread. Without that I
> am afraid the project might have to retire or force to be retired by the
> Incubator.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bikas
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com.INVALID>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:01 PM
> > To: dev@livy.apache.org <de...@livy.apache.org>
> > Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>;
> user@livy.incubator.apache.org <us...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> >
> > I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or
> another.
> >
> > Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can
> reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Renat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> > To: dev@livy.apache.org
> > Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> >
> > Hi Bikas,
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this here.
> >
> > I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity
> starting from now.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> >> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial
> design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be
> widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development
> has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative
> stability of the code base.
> >>
> >> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating
> status
> >>
> >> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its
> release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc
> willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to
> complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the
> graduation process.
> >>    *
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by
> the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new
> releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user
> community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21
> will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
> >>    *
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed?
> Should we graduate or retire?
> >>
> >> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the
> graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
> >>
> >> Bikas
> >>
> >
>
>

-- 
Regards,
Akshat Bordia
Email id : akshat.bordia31@gmail.com

Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Akshat Bordia <ak...@gmail.com>.

Hi Bikas,

+1 for graduating the project. I would be willing to help with the
graduation checklist and other contributions.

Thanks,
Akshat

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 10:07 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>
wrote:

> Hi Bikas,
>
> As always, I’m happy to help.
>
> Regards
> JB
>
> > Le 13 juin 2021 à 02:03, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > For the project to graduate or continue without retiring it needs 3 PMCs
> who will be taking care of the project (like regular releases etc.).
> > To graduate, it needs a volunteer to complete the tasks required in the
> graduation checklist - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> >
> > Folks willing to volunteer please reply to this thread. Without that I
> am afraid the project might have to retire or force to be retired by the
> Incubator.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bikas
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com.INVALID>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:01 PM
> > To: dev@livy.apache.org <de...@livy.apache.org>
> > Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>;
> user@livy.incubator.apache.org <us...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> >
> > I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or
> another.
> >
> > Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can
> reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Renat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> > To: dev@livy.apache.org
> > Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> >
> > Hi Bikas,
> >
> > Thanks for bringing this here.
> >
> > I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity
> starting from now.
> >
> > Regards
> > JB
> >
> >> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial
> design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be
> widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development
> has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative
> stability of the code base.
> >>
> >> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating
> status
> >>
> >> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its
> release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc
> willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to
> complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the
> graduation process.
> >>    *
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by
> the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new
> releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user
> community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21
> will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
> >>    *
> https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed?
> Should we graduate or retire?
> >>
> >> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the
> graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
> >>
> >> Bikas
> >>
> >
>
>

-- 
Regards,
Akshat Bordia
Email id : akshat.bordia31@gmail.com

Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>.

Hi Bikas,

As always, I’m happy to help.

Regards
JB

> Le 13 juin 2021 à 02:03, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the project to graduate or continue without retiring it needs 3 PMCs who will be taking care of the project (like regular releases etc.).
> To graduate, it needs a volunteer to complete the tasks required in the graduation checklist - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> 
> Folks willing to volunteer please reply to this thread. Without that I am afraid the project might have to retire or force to be retired by the Incubator.
> 
> Thanks
> Bikas
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com.INVALID>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:01 PM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org <de...@livy.apache.org>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org <us...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> 
> I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.
> 
> Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> 
> Thanks,
> Renat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Hi Bikas,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this here.
> 
> I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
>> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
>> 
>> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
>> 
>> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 
>> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
>> 
>> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
>> 
>> Bikas
>> 
>

Re: [EXTERNAL] Graduate or retire

Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>.

Hi Bikas,

As always, I’m happy to help.

Regards
JB

> Le 13 juin 2021 à 02:03, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the project to graduate or continue without retiring it needs 3 PMCs who will be taking care of the project (like regular releases etc.).
> To graduate, it needs a volunteer to complete the tasks required in the graduation checklist - https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> 
> Folks willing to volunteer please reply to this thread. Without that I am afraid the project might have to retire or force to be retired by the Incubator.
> 
> Thanks
> Bikas
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Renat Bekbolatov <re...@microsoft.com.INVALID>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:01 PM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org <de...@livy.apache.org>
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org <de...@livy.incubator.apache.org>; user@livy.incubator.apache.org <us...@livy.incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Thanks for bringing this up Bikas!
> 
> I agree with JB - in my opinion, this project must graduate, one way or another.
> 
> Maybe we could organize a meeting with any contributors that we can reach and discuss how we can make this happen?
> 
> Thanks,
> Renat
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Baptiste Onofre <jb...@nanthrax.net>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 9:26 AM
> To: dev@livy.apache.org
> Cc: dev@livy.incubator.apache.org; user@livy.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Graduate or retire
> 
> Hi Bikas,
> 
> Thanks for bringing this here.
> 
> I would push for graduation, but only if we see community activity starting from now.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
>> Le 3 juin 2021 à 18:22, Bikas Saha <bi...@apache.org> a écrit :
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Apache Livy is a successful project that has met many of its initial design goals to provide interactive access to spark jobs. It appears to be widely used by many organizations and users. However, project development has been inactive due to lack of demand for new features and relative stability of the code base.
>> 
>> At this point there are 2 options for the project given its incubating status
>> 
>> 1.  Graduate - The project has been following the Apache way in its release process and community. It can graduate as long as there are 3 pmc willing to continue to manage the project. Also, volunteers are needed to complete the graduation checklist and help move the project through the graduation process.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fgraduation.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qWskl1tWyOOrfekmRgmf%2FqZ5VfEhVQmy0gBATV%2FiMck%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 2.  Retire - The project will be retired and no longer be supported by the ASF development process. Its website will be deleted and generally new releases would not be available. The biggest drawback of this for the user community is that security patches like the recent CVE release in Feb 21 will not be made available. That can be a blocker for many organizations.
>>    *   https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator.apache.org%2Fguides%2Fretirement.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crebekbol%40microsoft.com%7C6b6a4d5a20d84e25178708d926ac48ef%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637583343689586933%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Fk%2BDZHPKVn0ZAxJXozWtFaK2lT7zU67JzHjcxqwZ94s%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 
>> What does the community think about this situation and how to proceed? Should we graduate or retire?
>> 
>> When supporting graduation, please indicate willingness to drive the graduation process and subsequently participate in the project pmc.
>> 
>> Bikas
>> 
>