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"It Worked" -> prefaq

Ken recently changed the "It Worked" page to reference the ASF "prefaq".
It had previously referenced httpd.apache.org, and then all links were
removed because of too many "you stole my porn" emails.

I am fine in general with this decision, but the implementation doesn't
make any sense.  Someone following that link and winding up at the prefaq
will be completely confused.

Solutions:

1. Change the top of the prefaq to make more sense for people following
links to the page.

2. Create a new prefaq specifically for use in the "It Worked" page.

3. Go back to no link on the "It Worked" page.

I think I favour number 3.  There are two classes of people that may be
following the link from the "It Worked" page:

1. Clueless people - People who think that Apache stole their computer, or
whatever.  These people, we really don't want to here from at all.  Many
will not understand any explanation, and it is better if they never find
www.apache.org in the first place.

2. People looking for more info.  These people will be confused, or at
least delayed by the prefaq.  They will find the apache site more quickly
with a search engine.

Neither of these classes benefit from the link to the prefaq, so I think
we should just remove it.

Joshua.


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Re: "It Worked" -> prefaq

Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <li...@rowe-clan.net>.
From: "Joshua Slive" <jo...@slive.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:00 PM


> On Thu, 3 May 2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> > Please go back and read the discussion about this.  AFAICR
> > it was pretty much a consensus that that was the right page.
> >
> > I receive all the mail for apache@apache.org, which is where
> > those clewless ones send, and the preFAQ page is EXACTLY the
> > correct page for 98% of them.
> 
> I admit that I didn't pay enough attention to that discussion. For the
> reasons I said, I don't agree with its outcome, but I don't have a big
> problem with it.  I am also perfectly willing to accept your jugdment on
> the subject.  The big problem is that the top few paragraphs of the prefaq
> make no sense in the context of someone linking from the "it worked" page.
> They specifically assume that you were directed to the page by an email
> message.
> 
> Quick fix: change the top few paragraphs of the prefaq.

Heck, just as long as you start with this sentiment:

"Your divine fate/karmic balance/essential humanity depends upon your reading
this short list of questions and answers.  It undoubtedly answers the question
you are about to email.  Read this first.  If the question is found here, 
that email will be ignored."

"Heck, all your emails are answered by voulenteers.  There is no staff paid
to spend their time answering these questions.  So please let's entertain one
another and email interesting, new questions instead of these old ones."

> If you'd like me to do it, I can take a crack.  But given your experience
> with the email, you are probably more qualified.





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Re: "It Worked" -> prefaq

Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Thu, 3 May 2001, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Please go back and read the discussion about this.  AFAICR
> it was pretty much a consensus that that was the right page.
>
> I receive all the mail for apache@apache.org, which is where
> those clewless ones send, and the preFAQ page is EXACTLY the
> correct page for 98% of them.

I admit that I didn't pay enough attention to that discussion. For the
reasons I said, I don't agree with its outcome, but I don't have a big
problem with it.  I am also perfectly willing to accept your jugdment on
the subject.  The big problem is that the top few paragraphs of the prefaq
make no sense in the context of someone linking from the "it worked" page.
They specifically assume that you were directed to the page by an email
message.

Quick fix: change the top few paragraphs of the prefaq.

If you'd like me to do it, I can take a crack.  But given your experience
with the email, you are probably more qualified.

Joshua.


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Re: "It Worked" -> prefaq

Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> 
> Ken recently changed the "It Worked" page to reference the
> ASF "prefaq".
> It had previously referenced httpd.apache.org, and then all links were
> removed because of too many "you stole my porn" emails.
> 
> I am fine in general with this decision, but the implementation
> doesn't make any sense.  Someone following that link and winding
> up at the prefaq will be completely confused.

Please go back and read the discussion about this.  AFAICR
it was pretty much a consensus that that was the right page.

I receive all the mail for apache@apache.org, which is where
those clewless ones send, and the preFAQ page is EXACTLY the
correct page for 98% of them.
-- 
#ken    P-)}

Ken Coar                    <http://Golux.Com/coar/>
Apache Software Foundation  <http://www.apache.org/>
"Apache Server for Dummies" <http://Apache-Server.Com/>
"Apache Server Unleashed"   <http://ApacheUnleashed.Com/>

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