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RE: Tapestry Presentations
I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati Java
Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
To: Tapestry development
Subject: Tapestry Presentations
I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
on 20 May.
It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
the audience currently use
Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
ideas + content :)
I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
Unit Testing) from his own
repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
(ab)use them?
Is anyone aware of others?
Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips - gotchas?
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
Not bad ... Stuart Halloway has been working on a similar thing, that
allows him to build presentations around a code base with minimal
effort.
On 5/2/06, James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com> wrote:
> I wrote a nice tapestry framework which helps me create presentations
> easily. I like "eatin' my own dog food." Here's an example presentation
> that I put together for my "Java Persistence API" presentation:
>
> http://www.carmanconsulting.com/website/presentations/persistence/Home.html
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Motola [mailto:smotola@thelabllc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:35 PM
> To: Tapestry development; James Carman
> Cc: 'Tapestry development'
> Subject: RE: Tapestry Presentations
>
> Make that another. ;)
>
> After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
> nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
> http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) +
> other
> resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote
> more
> developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It
> would
> be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such
> as
> Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
>
> Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would
> be
> great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
> wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
>
>
> Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>
> > I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati
> Java
> > Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> > To: Tapestry development
> > Subject: Tapestry Presentations
> >
> > I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> > on 20 May.
> >
> > It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> > the audience currently use
> > Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
> >
> > Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> > ideas + content :)
> > I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> > Unit Testing) from his own
> > repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> > (ab)use them?
> > Is anyone aware of others?
> >
> > Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips -
> gotchas?
> >
> >
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Warner Onstine <sw...@warneronstine.com>.
Excellent, let me know when you've got that checked in (I assume
it'll be in the Trails source tree).
-warner
On May 13, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Chris Nelson wrote:
> I would second that. I'm in the process of building a
> Trails archetype as we move to Maven2, so anyone is
> welcome to use that as a starting point once I do.
> Anyone out there have a lot of archetype builing
> experience to share?
>
> --- Warner Onstine <sw...@warneronstine.com> wrote:
>
>> This is something I've started to think about now
>> that I've started
>> to use Maven 2. This sounds like it would be a good
>> addition to the
>> Tapestry JavaForge project.
>>
>> -warner
>>
>> On May 13, 2006, at 9:39 AM, David Solis wrote:
>>
>>> What about a maven archetype?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> D.
>>>
>>> On 5/2/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Another great idea!
>>>>
>>>> We've also given some "lip service" to having an
>> archive of skeleton
>>>> applications that people can use as a the basis
>> for building full
>>>> applications. Perhaps building a JUG library
>> around those would be
>>>> useful? Of course, intros to Tapestry are
>> usually individual pages,
>>>> rather than complete database-driven
>> applications.
>>>>
>>>> On 5/2/06, Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> Make that another. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry
>> JUG Pack'. That
>>>> will include a
>>>>> nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
>>>>> http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/
>>>> CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
>>>>> resources to give a JUG presenter an easy
>> package to work with
>>>> and promote more
>>>>> developers to feel comfortable doing
>> presentations at their
>>>> local JUG. It would
>>>>> be great to have it translated too, I know a
>> lot of
>>>> international folk (such as
>>>>> Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized
>> docs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas,
>> 'curriculum' and
>>>> collaborations would be
>>>>> great. We can also package a 'why tapestry'
>> whitepaper everyone
>>>> has been
>>>>> wanting to present to their tech managers / biz
>> folk.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting James Carman
>> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be interested too. I'm planning on
>> giving a talk to the
>>>> Cincinnati Java
>>>>>> Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon,
>> too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Andreas Andreou
>> [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
>>>>>> To: Tapestry development
>>>>>> Subject: Tapestry Presentations
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll be presenting Tapestry to our
>> JavaUserGroup here in
>>>> Athens, Greece
>>>>>> on 20 May.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will mostly contain introductory material,
>> since very few
>>>> people from
>>>>>> the audience currently use
>>>>>> Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, i'm currently looking for other
>> presentations - in
>>>> order to grab
>>>>>> ideas + content :)
>>>>>> I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry
>> - Tapestry
>>>> Components -
>>>>>> Unit Testing) from his own
>>>>>> repository (
>> http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it
>>>> ok if i
>>>>>> (ab)use them?
>>>>>> Is anyone aware of others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone already done such presentations and
>> willing to share
>>>> tips - gotchas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> ........................................
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>>>>> smotola@thelabllc.com
>>>>> (310) 422-5521
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>>>> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
>>>> Creator and PMC Chair, Apache Tapestry
>>>> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>>>>
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>> support
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>>>>
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Chris Nelson <cn...@yahoo.com>.
I would second that. I'm in the process of building a
Trails archetype as we move to Maven2, so anyone is
welcome to use that as a starting point once I do.
Anyone out there have a lot of archetype builing
experience to share?
--- Warner Onstine <sw...@warneronstine.com> wrote:
> This is something I've started to think about now
> that I've started
> to use Maven 2. This sounds like it would be a good
> addition to the
> Tapestry JavaForge project.
>
> -warner
>
> On May 13, 2006, at 9:39 AM, David Solis wrote:
>
> > What about a maven archetype?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > D.
> >
> > On 5/2/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Another great idea!
> >>
> >> We've also given some "lip service" to having an
> archive of skeleton
> >> applications that people can use as a the basis
> for building full
> >> applications. Perhaps building a JUG library
> around those would be
> >> useful? Of course, intros to Tapestry are
> usually individual pages,
> >> rather than complete database-driven
> applications.
> >>
> >> On 5/2/06, Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Make that another. ;)
> >> >
> >> > After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry
> JUG Pack'. That
> >> will include a
> >> > nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
> >> > http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/
> >> CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
> >> > resources to give a JUG presenter an easy
> package to work with
> >> and promote more
> >> > developers to feel comfortable doing
> presentations at their
> >> local JUG. It would
> >> > be great to have it translated too, I know a
> lot of
> >> international folk (such as
> >> > Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized
> docs.
> >> >
> >> > Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas,
> 'curriculum' and
> >> collaborations would be
> >> > great. We can also package a 'why tapestry'
> whitepaper everyone
> >> has been
> >> > wanting to present to their tech managers / biz
> folk.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Quoting James Carman
> <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> >> >
> >> > > I'd be interested too. I'm planning on
> giving a talk to the
> >> Cincinnati Java
> >> > > Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon,
> too.
> >> > >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From: Andreas Andreou
> [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> >> > > To: Tapestry development
> >> > > Subject: Tapestry Presentations
> >> > >
> >> > > I'll be presenting Tapestry to our
> JavaUserGroup here in
> >> Athens, Greece
> >> > > on 20 May.
> >> > >
> >> > > It will mostly contain introductory material,
> since very few
> >> people from
> >> > > the audience currently use
> >> > > Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyway, i'm currently looking for other
> presentations - in
> >> order to grab
> >> > > ideas + content :)
> >> > > I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry
> - Tapestry
> >> Components -
> >> > > Unit Testing) from his own
> >> > > repository (
> http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it
> >> ok if i
> >> > > (ab)use them?
> >> > > Is anyone aware of others?
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone already done such presentations and
> willing to share
> >> tips - gotchas?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >>
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> >> > smotola@thelabllc.com
> >> > (310) 422-5521
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> >> Creator and PMC Chair, Apache Tapestry
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Warner Onstine <sw...@warneronstine.com>.
This is something I've started to think about now that I've started
to use Maven 2. This sounds like it would be a good addition to the
Tapestry JavaForge project.
-warner
On May 13, 2006, at 9:39 AM, David Solis wrote:
> What about a maven archetype?
>
> Regards
>
> D.
>
> On 5/2/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Another great idea!
>>
>> We've also given some "lip service" to having an archive of skeleton
>> applications that people can use as a the basis for building full
>> applications. Perhaps building a JUG library around those would be
>> useful? Of course, intros to Tapestry are usually individual pages,
>> rather than complete database-driven applications.
>>
>> On 5/2/06, Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com> wrote:
>> > Make that another. ;)
>> >
>> > After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That
>> will include a
>> > nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
>> > http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/
>> CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
>> > resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with
>> and promote more
>> > developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their
>> local JUG. It would
>> > be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of
>> international folk (such as
>> > Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
>> >
>> > Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and
>> collaborations would be
>> > great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone
>> has been
>> > wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
>> >
>> >
>> > Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>> >
>> > > I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the
>> Cincinnati Java
>> > > Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
>> > > To: Tapestry development
>> > > Subject: Tapestry Presentations
>> > >
>> > > I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in
>> Athens, Greece
>> > > on 20 May.
>> > >
>> > > It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few
>> people from
>> > > the audience currently use
>> > > Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in
>> order to grab
>> > > ideas + content :)
>> > > I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry
>> Components -
>> > > Unit Testing) from his own
>> > > repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it
>> ok if i
>> > > (ab)use them?
>> > > Is anyone aware of others?
>> > >
>> > > Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share
>> tips - gotchas?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > ........................................
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>> > (310) 422-5521
>> >
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>> > http://www.thelabllc.com
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>> Independent J2EE / Open-Source Java Consultant
>> Creator and PMC Chair, Apache Tapestry
>> Creator, Jakarta HiveMind
>>
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>> and project work. http://howardlewisship.com
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by David Solis <ds...@gmail.com>.
What about a maven archetype?
Regards
D.
On 5/2/06, Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Another great idea!
>
> We've also given some "lip service" to having an archive of skeleton
> applications that people can use as a the basis for building full
> applications. Perhaps building a JUG library around those would be
> useful? Of course, intros to Tapestry are usually individual pages,
> rather than complete database-driven applications.
>
> On 5/2/06, Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com> wrote:
> > Make that another. ;)
> >
> > After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
> > nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
> > http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
> > resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote more
> > developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It would
> > be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such as
> > Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
> >
> > Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would be
> > great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
> > wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
> >
> >
> > Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> >
> > > I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati Java
> > > Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> > > To: Tapestry development
> > > Subject: Tapestry Presentations
> > >
> > > I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> > > on 20 May.
> > >
> > > It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> > > the audience currently use
> > > Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
> > >
> > > Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> > > ideas + content :)
> > > I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> > > Unit Testing) from his own
> > > repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> > > (ab)use them?
> > > Is anyone aware of others?
> > >
> > > Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips - gotchas?
> > >
> > >
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Howard Lewis Ship <hl...@gmail.com>.
Another great idea!
We've also given some "lip service" to having an archive of skeleton
applications that people can use as a the basis for building full
applications. Perhaps building a JUG library around those would be
useful? Of course, intros to Tapestry are usually individual pages,
rather than complete database-driven applications.
On 5/2/06, Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com> wrote:
> Make that another. ;)
>
> After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
> nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
> http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
> resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote more
> developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It would
> be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such as
> Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
>
> Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would be
> great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
> wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
>
>
> Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>
> > I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati Java
> > Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> > To: Tapestry development
> > Subject: Tapestry Presentations
> >
> > I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> > on 20 May.
> >
> > It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> > the audience currently use
> > Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
> >
> > Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> > ideas + content :)
> > I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> > Unit Testing) from his own
> > repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> > (ab)use them?
> > Is anyone aware of others?
> >
> > Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips - gotchas?
> >
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Jesse Kuhnert <jk...@gmail.com>.
Aside from everything else we should all also remember that Howard makes his
living giving presentations / training / etc for Tapestry and that asking
for some contribution in this form from him might be asking a little too
much. (I make a living doing this now too, though the majority of work is
focused around dojo. )
That shouldn't stop people from developing and sharing content with each
other by any means though :)
On 5/2/06, Brian K. Wallace <br...@transmorphix.com> wrote:
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> I see this sentiment a lot and (for once - on this topic) would like to
> express my opinion.
>
> I love the project that Howard started - and that Howard devotes (and
> has devoted over the years) to making Tapestry what it is today. I also
> acknowledge that having something written/taught/etc by "the creator" of
> said thing has merit.
>
> I do not, however, believe Tapestry now sits on Howard's shoulders
> without which it would come crashing down (if I believed that, I'd look
> at working on another project). I was actually amazed when Howard asked
> recently if a 4.0.2 went out, but it felt good to know that while he's
> off 'revolutionizing' in 5.0-land, we can actually keep it afloat and
> progressing in our 3.x/4.x realm without him.
>
> I'm not bashing anyone here - not Howard, not Tapestry - not even you,
> Steve ;-) (Sorry, Mark - I view the 'party line' as just humor... if it
> wasn't, then "not you, either Mark" :-)) Just saying that, in most ways,
> I'd look more to Jesse for more input on 'current' (4.x) Tapestry, and
> Howard for future (5.x) Tapestry - and then get the presentation
> produced and circulated back to get the "yep, that's what I said" nod
> from the 'sources' (vs. the 'creator'). "Produced and circulated back?"
> Definitely. Learn by documenting - and don't slow down the 'sources'
> from moving forward (unless they just have extra time on their hands).
>
> I'd say "My .02"... but I think inflation reduced its actual value long
> ago...
>
> [and if you in any way thought this was meant in any 'derogatory'
> fashion, it wasn't. just thoughts on how to get things done without the
> ever-present "howard?"]
>
> Brian
>
> Steve Motola wrote:
> > It would be great if Howard himself produced something like this, but I
> doubt he
> > has the time. Howard?
> >
> > Am I overstepping bounds in proposing this? I am putting out feelers
> for
> > collaboration - projects that don't just involve code and are more
> towards the
> > marketing end of Tapestry that would be welcomed. I was basically
> expanding on
> > the needs of James and Andreas that I too face. We had to turn down a
> proposed
> > JUG meeting because of a project and work on Cognition and didn't have
> the time
> > to put something proper together - and got slammed for it. It would
> have been
> > great to have some ready materials I could have used on the fly.
> >
> >
> > Quoting Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>:
> >
> >> Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-).
> >>
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RE: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>.
Actually, I was half-serious about the party line. Having sat through Howards classes I know that he has developed some slides. Also, he is doing the NFJS and I am sure he isn't doing 5.0, though I am sure he will mention it. Howard has complete classes that he gives and I wouldn't want to take away his bread and butter by publishing them. Rather, I thought they would be an introduction to Tapestry. What I was suggesting is what I think Brian is proposing, which is a standardized starting point for a presentation. I could give a couple of JUG talks here in Denver/Boulder. So as Howard's acolytes:
ac·o·lyte Pronunciation (k-lt)
n.
1. One who assists the celebrant in the performance of liturgical rites.
2. A devoted follower or attendant.
I think we should all start off on the same foot. I am currently wedded to 3.x and am using it in a very non-standard way. So, I would be a bit reluctant to mis-inform people.
regards,
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian K. Wallace [mailto:brian@transmorphix.com]
Sent: Tue 5/2/2006 12:43 PM
To: Tapestry development
Subject: Re: Tapestry Presentations
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I see this sentiment a lot and (for once - on this topic) would like to
express my opinion.
I love the project that Howard started - and that Howard devotes (and
has devoted over the years) to making Tapestry what it is today. I also
acknowledge that having something written/taught/etc by "the creator" of
said thing has merit.
I do not, however, believe Tapestry now sits on Howard's shoulders
without which it would come crashing down (if I believed that, I'd look
at working on another project). I was actually amazed when Howard asked
recently if a 4.0.2 went out, but it felt good to know that while he's
off 'revolutionizing' in 5.0-land, we can actually keep it afloat and
progressing in our 3.x/4.x realm without him.
I'm not bashing anyone here - not Howard, not Tapestry - not even you,
Steve ;-) (Sorry, Mark - I view the 'party line' as just humor... if it
wasn't, then "not you, either Mark" :-)) Just saying that, in most ways,
I'd look more to Jesse for more input on 'current' (4.x) Tapestry, and
Howard for future (5.x) Tapestry - and then get the presentation
produced and circulated back to get the "yep, that's what I said" nod
from the 'sources' (vs. the 'creator'). "Produced and circulated back?"
Definitely. Learn by documenting - and don't slow down the 'sources'
from moving forward (unless they just have extra time on their hands).
I'd say "My .02"... but I think inflation reduced its actual value long
ago...
[and if you in any way thought this was meant in any 'derogatory'
fashion, it wasn't. just thoughts on how to get things done without the
ever-present "howard?"]
Brian
Steve Motola wrote:
> It would be great if Howard himself produced something like this, but I doubt he
> has the time. Howard?
>
> Am I overstepping bounds in proposing this? I am putting out feelers for
> collaboration - projects that don't just involve code and are more towards the
> marketing end of Tapestry that would be welcomed. I was basically expanding on
> the needs of James and Andreas that I too face. We had to turn down a proposed
> JUG meeting because of a project and work on Cognition and didn't have the time
> to put something proper together - and got slammed for it. It would have been
> great to have some ready materials I could have used on the fly.
>
>
> Quoting Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>:
>
>> Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-).
>>
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Re: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by "Brian K. Wallace" <br...@transmorphix.com>.
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I see this sentiment a lot and (for once - on this topic) would like to
express my opinion.
I love the project that Howard started - and that Howard devotes (and
has devoted over the years) to making Tapestry what it is today. I also
acknowledge that having something written/taught/etc by "the creator" of
said thing has merit.
I do not, however, believe Tapestry now sits on Howard's shoulders
without which it would come crashing down (if I believed that, I'd look
at working on another project). I was actually amazed when Howard asked
recently if a 4.0.2 went out, but it felt good to know that while he's
off 'revolutionizing' in 5.0-land, we can actually keep it afloat and
progressing in our 3.x/4.x realm without him.
I'm not bashing anyone here - not Howard, not Tapestry - not even you,
Steve ;-) (Sorry, Mark - I view the 'party line' as just humor... if it
wasn't, then "not you, either Mark" :-)) Just saying that, in most ways,
I'd look more to Jesse for more input on 'current' (4.x) Tapestry, and
Howard for future (5.x) Tapestry - and then get the presentation
produced and circulated back to get the "yep, that's what I said" nod
from the 'sources' (vs. the 'creator'). "Produced and circulated back?"
Definitely. Learn by documenting - and don't slow down the 'sources'
from moving forward (unless they just have extra time on their hands).
I'd say "My .02"... but I think inflation reduced its actual value long
ago...
[and if you in any way thought this was meant in any 'derogatory'
fashion, it wasn't. just thoughts on how to get things done without the
ever-present "howard?"]
Brian
Steve Motola wrote:
> It would be great if Howard himself produced something like this, but I doubt he
> has the time. Howard?
>
> Am I overstepping bounds in proposing this? I am putting out feelers for
> collaboration - projects that don't just involve code and are more towards the
> marketing end of Tapestry that would be welcomed. I was basically expanding on
> the needs of James and Andreas that I too face. We had to turn down a proposed
> JUG meeting because of a project and work on Cognition and didn't have the time
> to put something proper together - and got slammed for it. It would have been
> great to have some ready materials I could have used on the fly.
>
>
> Quoting Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>:
>
>> Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-).
>>
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RE: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com>.
It would be great if Howard himself produced something like this, but I doubt he
has the time. Howard?
Am I overstepping bounds in proposing this? I am putting out feelers for
collaboration - projects that don't just involve code and are more towards the
marketing end of Tapestry that would be welcomed. I was basically expanding on
the needs of James and Andreas that I too face. We had to turn down a proposed
JUG meeting because of a project and work on Cognition and didn't have the time
to put something proper together - and got slammed for it. It would have been
great to have some ready materials I could have used on the fly.
Quoting Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>:
> Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-).
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Motola [mailto:smotola@thelabllc.com]
> Sent: Tue 5/2/2006 11:34 AM
> To: Tapestry development; James Carman
> Cc: 'Tapestry development'
> Subject: RE: Tapestry Presentations
>
> Make that another. ;)
>
> After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
> nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
> http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) +
> other
> resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote
> more
> developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It
> would
> be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such
> as
> Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
>
> Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would
> be
> great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
> wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
>
>
> Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
>
> > I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati
> Java
> > Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> > To: Tapestry development
> > Subject: Tapestry Presentations
> >
> > I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> > on 20 May.
> >
> > It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> > the audience currently use
> > Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
> >
> > Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> > ideas + content :)
> > I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> > Unit Testing) from his own
> > repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> > (ab)use them?
> > Is anyone aware of others?
> >
> > Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips -
> gotchas?
> >
> >
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RE: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Mark Stang <ms...@pingidentity.com>.
Shouldn't Howard provide us with the "Party Line" ;-).
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Motola [mailto:smotola@thelabllc.com]
Sent: Tue 5/2/2006 11:34 AM
To: Tapestry development; James Carman
Cc: 'Tapestry development'
Subject: RE: Tapestry Presentations
Make that another. ;)
After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote more
developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It would
be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such as
Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would be
great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati Java
> Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> To: Tapestry development
> Subject: Tapestry Presentations
>
> I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> on 20 May.
>
> It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> the audience currently use
> Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
>
> Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> ideas + content :)
> I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> Unit Testing) from his own
> repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> (ab)use them?
> Is anyone aware of others?
>
> Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips - gotchas?
>
>
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RE: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>.
I wrote a nice tapestry framework which helps me create presentations
easily. I like "eatin' my own dog food." Here's an example presentation
that I put together for my "Java Persistence API" presentation:
http://www.carmanconsulting.com/website/presentations/persistence/Home.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Motola [mailto:smotola@thelabllc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 1:35 PM
To: Tapestry development; James Carman
Cc: 'Tapestry development'
Subject: RE: Tapestry Presentations
Make that another. ;)
After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) +
other
resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote
more
developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It
would
be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such
as
Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would
be
great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati
Java
> Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> To: Tapestry development
> Subject: Tapestry Presentations
>
> I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> on 20 May.
>
> It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> the audience currently use
> Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
>
> Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> ideas + content :)
> I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> Unit Testing) from his own
> repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> (ab)use them?
> Is anyone aware of others?
>
> Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips -
gotchas?
>
>
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RE: Tapestry Presentations
Posted by Steve Motola <sm...@thelabllc.com>.
Make that another. ;)
After JavaOne I'll be working on a 'Tapestry JUG Pack'. That will include a
nicely designed Powerpoint (similar to
http://www.thelabllc.com/lab/presentations/CognitionPresentation1.zip) + other
resources to give a JUG presenter an easy package to work with and promote more
developers to feel comfortable doing presentations at their local JUG. It would
be great to have it translated too, I know a lot of international folk (such as
Andreas) are clamoring for adequate localized docs.
Is this a worthwhile idea? Any ideas, 'curriculum' and collaborations would be
great. We can also package a 'why tapestry' whitepaper everyone has been
wanting to present to their tech managers / biz folk.
Quoting James Carman <ja...@carmanconsulting.com>:
> I'd be interested too. I'm planning on giving a talk to the Cincinnati Java
> Users Group (www.cinjug.org) sometime soon, too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andreas Andreou [mailto:andyhot@di.uoa.gr]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 8:26 AM
> To: Tapestry development
> Subject: Tapestry Presentations
>
> I'll be presenting Tapestry to our JavaUserGroup here in Athens, Greece
> on 20 May.
>
> It will mostly contain introductory material, since very few people from
> the audience currently use
> Tapestry or component-based web frameworks.
>
> Anyway, i'm currently looking for other presentations - in order to grab
> ideas + content :)
> I'm only aware of Howard's trilogy (Tapestry - Tapestry Components -
> Unit Testing) from his own
> repository ( http://howardlewisship.com/repository/ ). Is it ok if i
> (ab)use them?
> Is anyone aware of others?
>
> Anyone already done such presentations and willing to share tips - gotchas?
>
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