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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com> on 2009/04/11 00:21:36 UTC
New Default Theme?
Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
doesn't give the best first impression.
Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
ecommerce one yet).
Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
release branch next Tuesday.
-David
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
+1 for setting smoothfeather as default backoffice theme.
There is still something to be fixed while showing pages that use a
different GlobalDescriptor like lookups.
-Bruno
2009/4/11 Ashish Vijaywargiya <as...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Hello David,
>
> The overall work done on theme is excellent.
> So I will give +1 for it.
>
> Here are few comments / thoughts on "Smooth Feature" :
>
> 1) I noticed that in the "Search form" or "Create form" we have kept
> Horizontal Bar (<hr>) after each field.
> In my opinion this reduces the readability of form.
>
> 2) The ViewProfile page is one of the page that contains heavy data.
> For example :
> https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/viewprofile?partyId=DemoCustomer
>
> -- In the above link the other links like "Billing Account", "Financial
> Accounts", "Communications" are placed vertically and that should be placed
> horizontal separated by piping symbol (or some better option) so that we
> could save the page area vertically.
> -- Its difficult to understand starting of new section heading and its
> associated block like we have sections by heading "Personal Information",
> "Contact Information", "List Related Accounts".
> For example its difficult the read the details present in "Payment Method
> Information" that is next block of "Loyality Points".
>
> 3) There are so many tabbutton present for Party and the first one (i.e
> Profile) is overlapping with the main navigation section present in the
> left. (For ex: Edit any party record)
>
> 4) On the search result form sometime it shows the link for ID fields on
> mouse hover but sometime don't show.
> (This behavior is observed on firefox 3)
>
> 5) Next, Previous, First and Last etc are aligned vertically.
> https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/FindSecurityGroup
>
> Special thanks to Ryan Foster for this wonderful work.
>
> --
> Ashish
>
>
>
>
>
> David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we shouldn't
>> change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The old
>> blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme component) is
>> functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the best
>> first impression.
>>
>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new web
>> site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>>
>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly as
>> the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are issues
>> with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we should be able
>> to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the back-end ones
>> seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the ecommerce one yet).
>>
>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered opening a
>> vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and a vote may not
>> be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>
>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <as...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Hello David,
The overall work done on theme is excellent.
So I will give +1 for it.
Here are few comments / thoughts on "Smooth Feature" :
1) I noticed that in the "Search form" or "Create form" we have kept
Horizontal Bar (<hr>) after each field.
In my opinion this reduces the readability of form.
2) The ViewProfile page is one of the page that contains heavy data.
For example :
https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/viewprofile?partyId=DemoCustomer
-- In the above link the other links like "Billing Account", "Financial
Accounts", "Communications" are placed vertically and that should be
placed horizontal separated by piping symbol (or some better option) so
that we could save the page area vertically.
-- Its difficult to understand starting of new section heading and its
associated block like we have sections by heading "Personal
Information", "Contact Information", "List Related Accounts".
For example its difficult the read the details present in "Payment
Method Information" that is next block of "Loyality Points".
3) There are so many tabbutton present for Party and the first one (i.e
Profile) is overlapping with the main navigation section present in the
left. (For ex: Edit any party record)
4) On the search result form sometime it shows the link for ID fields on
mouse hover but sometime don't show.
(This behavior is observed on firefox 3)
5) Next, Previous, First and Last etc are aligned vertically.
https://localhost:8443/partymgr/control/FindSecurityGroup
Special thanks to Ryan Foster for this wonderful work.
--
Ashish
David E Jones wrote:
>
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
> doesn't give the best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
> ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
> release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@hlmksw.com>.
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> So we need to extract the std theme and to make it a theme
> like the others, and the default OOTB (so far). I don't give all details
> but this means to have a new "std layout" theme under the /themes directory
I was thinking about that the other day. I'd like to see the current
default theme moved to the themes folder.
-Adrian
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Tim,
I fixed this at r765721 but for FF3. Please see my comment in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2303
About smoothfeather as the default theme : if we want to do that correctly we need to treat each theme equally. For the moment the
std theme is considered as "superior" to the other themes. It's not exactly what it should be : a default changeable easily from
scratch by a parameter. So we need to extract the std theme and to make it a theme like the others, and the default OOTB (so far). I
don't give all details but this means to have a new "std layout" theme under the /themes directory
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> From: "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.
>
> I will see that when I wil get a chance
>
> Jacques
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Forgot to say : done at r765726
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> From: "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.
>
> I will see that when I wil get a chance
>
> Jacques
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Tim Ruppert" <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.
I will see that when I wil get a chance
Jacques
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: Ryan Foster
No, I don't hate footers ;).
The originally thinking was to give the backend look and feel a more "desktop" like feeling, where most of the information and
navigation is located in sidebars, file menus, tabs, etc. Following that line of thinking, maybe we put a "help" link in the header
right next to preferences that drops down in a similar fashion to show copyright, link to apache, etc. This would function exactly
the same way that the help link functions in apps like Firefox, Mac Mail, Outlook, Word, etc. We could even put a simple keyword
search field in this section that searches docs.ofbiz.org. See the screenshot below for an example:
Ryan Foster
___________________________________
Hi Ryan,
Yes great idea, I like it :o)
There are still issues related to font sizes, but clearly people not involved in previous UI developments (who have an exernal look)
prefer far more the new one (more easy to read they say). Even in the order view case which was a problem for me (is still but I
have to get used to I guess ;o).
BTW, I opened a Jira issue for the small issues I found in Confluence so far
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2298
Thanks
Jacques
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Ryan Foster <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
No, I don't hate footers ;).
The originally thinking was to give the backend look and feel a more
"desktop" like feeling, where most of the information and navigation
is located in sidebars, file menus, tabs, etc. Following that line of
thinking, maybe we put a "help" link in the header right next to
preferences that drops down in a similar fashion to show copyright,
link to apache, etc. This would function exactly the same way that
the help link functions in apps like Firefox, Mac Mail, Outlook, Word,
etc. We could even put a simple keyword search field in this section
that searches docs.ofbiz.org. See the screenshot below for an example:
Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
On Apr 15, 2009, at 1:19 AM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Inline
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> ----- "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
>
>> Actually the things that IMO are missing are
>> * The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site
>> * Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org
>> * Release.revision informations
>>
>> Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright
>> and a link to OFBiz site would be cool
>>
>> But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate
>> footers ? ;o) ?
>
> My personal vote is to get a footer that has at least the bottom one
> because it's super important information and that's where people
> have become accustomed to looking for it. As for the ASF copyright
> and the OFBiz logo - those need to be there, but I'm not sure the
> footer is ever the best place for that.
>
> Designers, what do you think on the placement now that you know that
> people would like to see it back?
>
>> With the update today all issues below are still there
>> For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not
>> look into detail but that how it works normally, this was
>> introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico)
>
> The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel
> free to just fix that one straight away.
>
>> Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get
>> myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue
>> at least after trying to change themes.
>
> Hmm - try loading it up locally with this as the default theme and
> see if it's the theme itself or just the JS and CSS getting confused
> when it switches.
>
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
>>> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
>>> logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have
>> been
>>> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
>>> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
>>> language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
>>> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
>>> having several errors.
>>>
>>> Ryan Foster
>>> HotWax Media
>>> 801.671.0769
>>> ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> So far, I found also that :
>>>> * there is no footer anymore
>>>> * an issue with favicon.png.
>>>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply
>> it.
>>>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
>>>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
>>>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order
>> view
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>>> I agree with Hans,
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
>>>>>> errors in
>>>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
>> realistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>>>>>> wasn't
>>>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
>> other
>>>>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
>> hotwax...
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
>> of
>>>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide
>> screen
>>>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
>> size
>>>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>>>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
>>>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
>>>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about
>> having
>>>>> a panel open at left, etc.
>>>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>>>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
>>>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
>>>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>>>>
>>>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is
>> not
>>>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes thank you for that !
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacques
>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
>> next
>>>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Hans
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the
>> back-end.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
>> theme
>>>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
>> perhaps
>>>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>>>>>>> bluelight
>>>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like
>> the
>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>>>>>>> theme).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
>>>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
>>>>>>> there are
>>>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
>> we
>>>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own
>> testing
>>>>>>> both
>>>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
>> the
>>>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better
>> first
>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion
>> goes).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
>> before
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Inline
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com> wrote:
> Actually the things that IMO are missing are
> * The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site
> * Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org
> * Release.revision informations
>
> Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright
> and a link to OFBiz site would be cool
>
> But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate
> footers ? ;o) ?
My personal vote is to get a footer that has at least the bottom one because it's super important information and that's where people have become accustomed to looking for it. As for the ASF copyright and the OFBiz logo - those need to be there, but I'm not sure the footer is ever the best place for that.
Designers, what do you think on the placement now that you know that people would like to see it back?
> With the update today all issues below are still there
> For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not
> look into detail but that how it works normally, this was
> introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico)
The .ico is up there on ofbiz.apache.org - so Jacques, please feel free to just fix that one straight away.
> Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get
> myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue
> at least after trying to change themes.
Hmm - try loading it up locally with this as the default theme and see if it's the theme itself or just the JS and CSS getting confused when it switches.
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> > I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> > Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> > logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have
> been
> > grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> > grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
> > language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> > clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> > having several errors.
> >
> > Ryan Foster
> > HotWax Media
> > 801.671.0769
> > ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >
> >> So far, I found also that :
> >> * there is no footer anymore
> >> * an issue with favicon.png.
> >> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply
> it.
> >> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> >> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> >> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order
> view
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> >>> I agree with Hans,
> >>>
> >>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> >>>> Hi David,
> >>>>
> >>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
> >>>> errors in
> >>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
> realistic.
> >>>>
> >>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
> >>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> >>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> >>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
> >>>> wasn't
> >>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
> other
> >>>> areas as svn log and ?
> >>>
> >>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
> hotwax...
> >>>
> >>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
> of
> >>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> >>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
> >>>
> >>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide
> screen
> >>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
> size
> >>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
> >>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
> >>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> >>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about
> having
> >>> a panel open at left, etc.
> >>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
> >>>
> >>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
> >>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> >>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
> >>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
> >>>
> >>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is
> not
> >>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
> >>>
> >>> Yes thank you for that !
> >>>
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
> next
> >>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Hans
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> >>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the
> back-end.
> >>>>> The
> >>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
> theme
> >>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
> perhaps
> >>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> >>>>> bluelight
> >>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like
> the
> >>>>> new
> >>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
> >>>>> theme).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
> >>>>> thoroughly
> >>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
> >>>>> there are
> >>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
> we
> >>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own
> testing
> >>>>> both
> >>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> the
> >>>>> ecommerce one yet).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> >>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better
> first
> >>>>> (and
> >>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion
> goes).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
> before
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -David
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Actually the things that IMO are missing are
* The ASF copyright and link to a apache.org site
* Powered by OFBiz and link to ofbiz.apache.org
* Release.revision informations
Only the last is mandatory IMO, but I'm not sure about ASF copyright and a link to OFBiz site would be cool
But maybe they are somewhere and I did not find them (do you hate footers ? ;o) ?
With the update today all issues below are still there
For favicon.png I think it should be favicon.ico by the way (did not look into detail but that how it works normally, this was
introduced by M$ if I recall well, hence the .ico)
Also sometimes on XP using FF3 (a pretty classic set I'd say) I get myself stuck, the UI is not responding anymore. I got this issue
at least after trying to change themes.
Jacques
From: "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been
> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
> language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> having several errors.
>
> Ryan Foster
> HotWax Media
> 801.671.0769
> ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> So far, I found also that :
>> * there is no footer anymore
>> * an issue with favicon.png.
>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>> I agree with Hans,
>>>
>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
>>>> errors in
>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>>>>
>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>>>> wasn't
>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>>
>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
>>>
>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>>
>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>>> a panel open at left, etc.
>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>>
>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>>
>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>>
>>> Yes thank you for that !
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
>>>> Thank you!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Hans
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>>>>> The
>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>>>>> bluelight
>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>>>>> new
>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>>>>> theme).
>>>>>
>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
>>>>> there are
>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>>>>> both
>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>>>>> (and
>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>>>>> the
>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>>
>>>>> -David
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Awesome - thanks for the follow up. I think it got patched up earlier, so it's probably just waiting on the commit (if it's not in there already). Good stuff.
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> The references have been removed and the patch was sent to David.
>
> Ryan Foster
> HotWax Media
> 801.671.0769
> ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
>
> > Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of
> > this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :)
> > Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any
>
> > of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage
>
> > everyone to make it better!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tim
> > --
> > Tim Ruppert
> > HotWax Media
> > http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
> >
> > o:801.649.6594
> > f:801.649.6595
> >
> > ----- "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> >> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> >> logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have
> been
> >>
> >> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> >> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection
> and
> >> language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> >> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> >> having several errors.
> >>
> >> Ryan Foster
> >> HotWax Media
> >> 801.671.0769
> >> ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>
> >>> So far, I found also that :
> >>> * there is no footer anymore
> >>> * an issue with favicon.png.
> >>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply
> it.
> >>
> >>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> >>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> >>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order
> view
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>> Jacques
> >>>
> >>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> >>>> I agree with Hans,
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> >>>>> Hi David,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
> >>>>> errors in
> >>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
> >> realistic.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
> >>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> >>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> >>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much
> appreciated,
> >>
> >>>>> wasn't
> >>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
> >> other
> >>>>> areas as svn log and ?
> >>>>
> >>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
> >> hotwax...
> >>>>
> >>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide
> because
> >> of
> >>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> >>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide
> screen
> >>
> >>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
> size
> >>
> >>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
> >>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
> >>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> >>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about
> having
> >>
> >>>> a panel open at left, etc.
> >>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business
> Area
> >>
> >>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> >>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
> >>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
> >>>>
> >>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is
> not
> >>
> >>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes thank you for that !
> >>>>
> >>>> Jacques
> >>>>
> >>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
> >> next
> >>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
> >>>>> Thank you!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Hans
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> >>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the
> back-end.
> >>
> >>>>>> The
> >>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
> >> theme
> >>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
> >> perhaps
> >>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> >>>>>> bluelight
> >>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like
> the
> >>
> >>>>>> new
> >>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the
> multiflex
> >>
> >>>>>> theme).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
> >>>>>> thoroughly
> >>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
> >>>>>> there are
> >>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon
> and
> >> we
> >>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own
> testing
> >>
> >>>>>> both
> >>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> >> the
> >>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
> considered
> >>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better
> first
> >>
> >>>>>> (and
> >>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion
> goes).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
> before
> >>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -David
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Ryan Foster <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
The references have been removed and the patch was sent to David.
Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:48 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of
> this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :)
> Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any
> of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage
> everyone to make it better!
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> ----- "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
>> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
>> logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been
>>
>> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
>> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
>> language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
>> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
>> having several errors.
>>
>> Ryan Foster
>> HotWax Media
>> 801.671.0769
>> ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> So far, I found also that :
>>> * there is no footer anymore
>>> * an issue with favicon.png.
>>> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
>>
>>> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
>>> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
>>> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>>>> I agree with Hans,
>>>>
>>>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
>>>>> errors in
>>>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
>> realistic.
>>>>>
>>>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>>
>>>>> wasn't
>>>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
>> other
>>>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>>>
>>>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
>> hotwax...
>>>>
>>>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
>> of
>>>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>>>
>>>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>>
>>>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>>
>>>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>>>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
>>>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
>>>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>>
>>>> a panel open at left, etc.
>>>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>>>
>>>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>>
>>>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
>>>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
>>>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>>>
>>>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>>
>>>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>>>
>>>> Yes thank you for that !
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
>> next
>>>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Hans
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
>> theme
>>>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
>> perhaps
>>>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>>>>>> bluelight
>>>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>>
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>>
>>>>>> theme).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
>>>>>> thoroughly
>>>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
>>>>>> there are
>>>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
>> we
>>>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>>
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
>> the
>>>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>>
>>>>>> (and
>>>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -David
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Fost, we do need to get all of those references to HOTWAX out of this theme - but that was an oversight not a marketing ploy :) Looking forward to getting this all resolved, but I don't think any of these things should stop us from using this one - only encourage everyone to make it better!
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Ryan Foster" <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
> Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
> logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been
>
> grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
> grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
> language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
> clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
> having several errors.
>
> Ryan Foster
> HotWax Media
> 801.671.0769
> ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
>
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
> > So far, I found also that :
> > * there is no footer anymore
> > * an issue with favicon.png.
> > * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
>
> > It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> > * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> > * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Jacques
> >
> > From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> >> I agree with Hans,
> >>
> >> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> >>> Hi David,
> >>>
> >>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
> >>> errors in
> >>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very
> realistic.
> >>>
> >>> after 5 minutes of testing:
> >>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> >>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> >>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>
> >>> wasn't
> >>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in
> other
> >>> areas as svn log and ?
> >>
> >> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of
> hotwax...
> >>
> >>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because
> of
> >>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> >>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
> >>
> >> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>
> >> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>
> >> screen used in the world (1024*768).
> >> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
> >> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> >> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>
> >> a panel open at left, etc.
> >> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
> >>
> >> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>
> >> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> >> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
> >> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
> >>
> >> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>
> >> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
> >>
> >> Yes thank you for that !
> >>
> >> Jacques
> >>
> >>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the
> next
> >>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
> >>> Thank you!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Hans
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> >>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> >>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>
> >>>> The
> >>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a
> theme
> >>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but
> perhaps
> >>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
> >>>>
> >>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> >>>> bluelight
> >>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>
> >>>> new
> >>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>
> >>>> theme).
> >>>>
> >>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
> >>>> thoroughly
> >>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
> >>>> there are
> >>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and
> we
> >>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>
> >>>> both
> >>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> the
> >>>> ecommerce one yet).
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> >>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>
> >>>> (and
> >>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
> >>>>
> >>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>
> >>>> the
> >>>> release branch next Tuesday.
> >>>>
> >>>> -David
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Ryan Foster <ry...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I'm not sure if I would say that not having a footer is an issue.
Most of what was in the footer has been moved and grouped more
logically in the header. For instance, the secondary apps have been
grouped with the main apps, and the time zone selection has been
grouped with the other user preferences such as theme selection and
language. The XHTML and CSS icons have been removed, but if you
clicked on the XHTML icon you see that the page does not validate,
having several errors.
Ryan Foster
HotWax Media
801.671.0769
ryan.foster@hotwaxmedia.com
On Apr 14, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> So far, I found also that :
> * there is no footer anymore
> * an issue with favicon.png.
> * when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it.
> It's like if the last view feature was not working.
> * the log in webtools is no longer colored
> * it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
>
> HTH
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>> I agree with Hans,
>>
>> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of
>>> errors in
>>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>>>
>>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated,
>>> wasn't
>>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>>> areas as svn log and ?
>>
>> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
>>
>>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>>
>> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen
>> to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current size
>> screen used in the world (1024*768).
>> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen
>> (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
>> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having
>> a panel open at left, etc.
>> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>>
>> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area
>> (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
>> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary
>> applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>>
>> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not
>> much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>>
>> Yes thank you for that !
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas.
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Hans
>>>
>>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end.
>>>> The
>>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>>
>>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>>>> bluelight
>>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the
>>>> new
>>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>>>> theme).
>>>>
>>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as
>>>> thoroughly
>>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because
>>>> there are
>>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>>>> both
>>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>>>> (and
>>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>>
>>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before
>>>> the
>>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>>
>>>> -David
>>>>
>>> --
>>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
So far, I found also that :
* there is no footer anymore
* an issue with favicon.png.
* when you choose a theme you have to use Cancel after to apply it. It's like if the last view feature was not working.
* the log in webtools is no longer colored
* it's not easy to select the PDF version of an order in order view
HTH
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>I agree with Hans,
>
> From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
>> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>>
>> after 5 minutes of testing:
>> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
>> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
>> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
>> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
>> areas as svn log and ?
>
> If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
>
>> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
>> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
>> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
>
> Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
> size screen used in the world (1024*768).
> And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the
> Store (the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc.
> Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
>
> Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
> also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
>
> This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
>
> Yes thank you for that !
>
> Jacques
>
>> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
>> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Hans
>>
>> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
>>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>>
>>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
>>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
>>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>>>
>>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
>>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
>>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
>>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>>> ecommerce one yet).
>>>
>>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
>>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>>
>>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>> --
>> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>>
>
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I agree with Hans,
From: "Hans Bakker" <ma...@antwebsystems.com>
> Hi David,
>
> from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
> this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
>
> after 5 minutes of testing:
> 1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
> (error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
> 2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
> there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
> areas as svn log and ?
If you search in all files you will find 59 occurences of hotwax...
> 3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
> spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
> https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
Yes, The default size is too large, you need to have a wide screen to see it correctly. Especially with IE with the most current
size screen used in the world (1024*768).
And even using FF3, Chrome Opera or Safari with a wide screen (1680*1050) you get an issue when looking, for instance, at the Store
(the store infos are wrapped). And I don't speak about having a panel open at left, etc.
Also the orderview in only one column is not easy to read.
Also maybe we could have a title for each column of Business Area (BTW this needs to be internationalized, maybe some others
also...). Something like "Main applications" "Secondary applications", maybe 2 colors also ?
This said, it's really a great effort and I think that there is not much to be done to be near perfection (at least nowadays ;o)
Yes thank you for that !
Jacques
> Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
> level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Hans
>
> On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>
>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>>
>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>> ecommerce one yet).
>>
>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>
>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>
>> -David
>>
> --
> Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
>
Re: New Default Theme? not yet
Posted by Hans Bakker <ma...@antwebsystems.com>.
Hi David,
from a marketing point of view I agree but there are a lot of errors in
this schema to correct and that before tuesday? Not very realistic.
after 5 minutes of testing:
1. search results in party: partyId not clickable
(error: HOTWAX.buildSearch is not a function)
2. Although the sponsoring from hotwax is very much appreciated, wasn't
there an agreement not to use the name in the code but only in other
areas as svn log and ?
3. In general the screens are now formatted much to wide because of
spaces and character sizes and other reasons, have a look at :
https://localhost3:8443/projectmgr/control/MyTimesheet
Let me emphasize that Hotwax and Brainfood brought OFBiz to the next
level especially in the framework and graphical design areas. Thank you!
Regards,
Hans
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:21 -0600, David E Jones wrote:
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
> doesn't give the best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
> ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
> release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David
>
--
Antwebsystems.com: Quality OFBiz services for competitive rates
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Ha! Also we should use OFBIZ-2309 and its incorporated issues to state clearly in the release "paper" that these are known bugs that
will be quickly resolved in the following days
I think this is a pretty good argument in the favor of what I ask for ;o)
Jacques
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
>I agree it would be great to have it for the release.
> I agree also that there are no real blockers so far (except it's bad on IE and we should state that and explain to use a *real
> modern*
> browser)
> I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if
> someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch
> Also, as I already said, I'd like to be able to i18n it after the freeze since else it would be a real handicap for non English
> speaking people (users are really insisting on good localisation) : OFBIZ-2306
>
> Could we agree with that ? If we don't we will really shoot ourself in the foot (I don't see the point to have a clumsy UI for 2
> years)
>
> It's late and I'm exhausted, good night
>
> Jacques
>
>
> From: "Mike Bates" <mi...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> +1
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now.... On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the
>>> best default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the site and such and like Ean says would result
>>> in a far better response from prospects.
>>>
>>> The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press release for this release branch and relatively more people will
>>> be downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages are klunky that initial response may be more important
>>> than the results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if desired).
>>>
>>> Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread) in order to improve the first response...
>>>
>>> Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
>>>> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>>>>
>>>> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day.
>>>>
>>>> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>>>>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
>>>> ean@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Jacques Le Roux" <ja...@les7arts.com>
> I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if
> someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch
Done at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2312
Jacques
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
I agree it would be great to have it for the release.
I agree also that there are no real blockers so far (except it's bad on IE and we should state that and explain to use a *real
modern*
browser)
I'd like to complete OFBIZ-2309 by creating incorpotated issues from Ashish's, Bruno's, Adrian's and Hans's remarks (of course if
someone wants to create them it would be great) And I'd like to fix these issues and commit them on the new branch
Also, as I already said, I'd like to be able to i18n it after the freeze since else it would be a real handicap for non English
speaking people (users are really insisting on good localisation) : OFBIZ-2306
Could we agree with that ? If we don't we will really shoot ourself in the foot (I don't see the point to have a clumsy UI for 2
years)
It's late and I'm exhausted, good night
Jacques
From: "Mike Bates" <mi...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> +1
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
>>
>> What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now.... On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the
>> best default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the site and such and like Ean says would result
>> in a far better response from prospects.
>>
>> The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press release for this release branch and relatively more people will
>> be downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages are klunky that initial response may be more important
>> than the results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if desired).
>>
>> Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread) in order to improve the first response...
>>
>> Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>>
>>> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
>>> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>>>
>>> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day.
>>>
>>> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>>>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
>>> ean@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
>>
>
>
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Mike Bates <mi...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1
On Apr 16, 2009, at 4:57 PM, David E Jones wrote:
>
> What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right
> now.... On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best
> default, on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent
> with the site and such and like Ean says would result in a far
> better response from prospects.
>
> The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press
> release for this release branch and relatively more people will be
> downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages
> are klunky that initial response may be more important than the
> results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too
> if desired).
>
> Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this
> thread) in order to improve the first response...
>
> Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than
> looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
>
> -David
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
>
>> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in
>> before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
>> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>>
>> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up
>> and the customer response is night and day.
>>
>> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching,
>>> any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>>
>> --
>> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
>> ean@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
>
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Sam Hamilton <sa...@virtualvillage.com>.
+1
On 17/04/2009 06:57, "David Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now....
On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default,
on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the
site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response
from prospects.
The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press
release for this release branch and relatively more people will be
downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages
are klunky that initial response may be more important than the
results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if
desired).
Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread)
in order to improve the first response...
Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than
looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
-David
On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in
> before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>
> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up
> and the customer response is night and day.
>
> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any
>> issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
> ean@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Sam Hamilton
CTO
Virtual Village
Tel: +86 (21) 6271 3051
Fax: +86 (21) 5228 8539
Mobile: +86 (135) 2451 4480
E-mail: sam.hamilton@virtualvillage.com
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
What I'm trying to decide on is which is more important right now....
On the one had there are issues with it so it's not the best default,
on the other hand it looks way better and more consistent with the
site and such and like Ean says would result in a far better response
from prospects.
The reason I proposed this is because there will be a big press
release for this release branch and relatively more people will be
downloading OFBiz and looking at the demo, and even if certain pages
are klunky that initial response may be more important than the
results of the thorough review (when they can change the theme too if
desired).
Anyway, my leaning is toward making it the default (hence this thread)
in order to improve the first response...
Are there issues, YES! Does it matter, yes. Does it matter more than
looking good for the first response, IMO: no.
-David
On Apr 16, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Ean Schuessler wrote:
> I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in
> before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev
> instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
>
> I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up
> and the customer response is night and day.
>
> ----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
>> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any
>> issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
>
> --
> Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
> ean@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Ean Schuessler <ea...@brainfood.com>.
I'm all for getting there but I will say that we should dig in before we pull the trigger on it. I've been using it on my -dev instance and the interface gets pretty hard to use in some places.
I agree, however, that it shouldn't take to much to tighten it up and the customer response is night and day.
----- "Scott Gray" wrote:
> +1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
--
Ean Schuessler, CTO Brainfood.com
ean@brainfood.com - http://www.brainfood.com - 214-720-0700 x 315
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1, I would like to see it made the default prior to branching, any
issues can be fixed and it does look much better.
Regards
Scott
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
On 15/04/2009, at 2:52 PM, Tim Ruppert wrote:
> +1 - I totally agree. Let's fix this puppy up right - taking in the
> recommendations of everyone. This first impression is a much better
> one IMHO - but there are things that need to get tweaked to make it
> work right.
>
> I'm all in favor of really looking into all of the organization
> around the apps and coming up with something that's:
>
> 1. Better looking
> 2. Easier to use
> 3. More intuitive
> 4. etc
>
> yeah - I want it all, what can I say?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> --
> Tim Ruppert
> HotWax Media
> http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
>
> o:801.649.6594
> f:801.649.6595
>
> ----- "Sam Hamilton" <sa...@virtualvillage.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to
>> people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the
>> default to carry the theme through from the website.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On 11/04/2009 06:21, "David Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
>> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
>> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
>> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
>> doesn't give the best first impression.
>>
>> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
>> bluelight
>> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
>> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
>> theme).
>>
>> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
>> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there
>> are
>> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
>> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
>> both
>> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
>> ecommerce one yet).
>>
>> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
>> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
>> (and
>> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>>
>> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
>> release branch next Tuesday.
>>
>> -David
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1 - I totally agree. Let's fix this puppy up right - taking in the recommendations of everyone. This first impression is a much better one IMHO - but there are things that need to get tweaked to make it work right.
I'm all in favor of really looking into all of the organization around the apps and coming up with something that's:
1. Better looking
2. Easier to use
3. More intuitive
4. etc
yeah - I want it all, what can I say?
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
----- "Sam Hamilton" <sa...@virtualvillage.com> wrote:
> +1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to
> people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the
> default to carry the theme through from the website.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On 11/04/2009 06:21, "David Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
> shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
> old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
> component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
> doesn't give the best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the
> bluelight
> theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
> web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex
> theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
> as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there
> are
> issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
> should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing
> both
> of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
> ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
> opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first
> (and
> a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
> release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Sam Hamilton <sa...@virtualvillage.com>.
+1 for changing to something that gives a great first impression to people new to OFBiz so would tend to want to use smoothfeather as the default to carry the theme through from the website.
Sam
On 11/04/2009 06:21, "David Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering if we
shouldn't change the default theme, especially for the back-end. The
old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should probably move to a theme
component) is functional and I suppose lightweight too, but perhaps
doesn't give the best first impression.
Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end (the bluelight
theme and the smoothfeather theme which is meant to look like the new
web site), and 1 alternative theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested as thoroughly
as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried about that because there are
issues with the new default lots of people will see it soon and we
should be able to get things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both
of the back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with the
ecommerce one yet).
Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I considered
opening a vote, but a general discussion is probably better first (and
a vote may not be needed depending on how this discussion goes).
BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen before the
release branch next Tuesday.
-David
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <as...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
>> Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.)
with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes
>> gallery
>> Jacques
+1
--
Ashish Vijaywargiya
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@yahoo.com>
>> Looking at this more...
>>
>> The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can
>> change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is
>> fixed pitch - you can't change the font size.
>>
>> Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be
>> usable where I work because many of our users have their screen
>> resolutions set to 800x600.
>>
>> When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might
>> have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community
>> put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the
>> default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme
>> as the accessible one.
>
> Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.)
> with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes
> gallery
>
> Jacques
>
>
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Adrian Crum" <ad...@yahoo.com>
> Looking at this more...
>
> The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is
> fixed pitch - you can't change the font size.
>
> Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen
> resolutions set to 800x600.
>
> When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community
> put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme
> as the accessible one.
Also we may associate recommendations (resolutions, browsers, etc.) with each theme and show these recommendations in the themes
gallery
Jacques
> -Adrian
>
>
> --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: New Default Theme?
>> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:13 AM
>> I like the idea of having the default theme match the public
>> website.
>>
>> Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its
>> reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in
>> RTL layout?
>>
>> -Adrian
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones
>> <da...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: David E Jones
>> <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> > Subject: New Default Theme?
>> > To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM
>> > Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm
>> wondering
>> > if we shouldn't change the default theme,
>> especially for
>> > the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we
>> should
>> > probably move to a theme component) is functional and
>> I
>> > suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give
>> the
>> > best first impression.
>> >
>> > Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the
>> back-end
>> > (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which
>> is
>> > meant to look like the new web site), and 1
>> alternative
>> > theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>> >
>> > One issue with all of these is they haven't been
>> tested
>> > as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too
>> worried
>> > about that because there are issues with the new
>> default
>> > lots of people will see it soon and we should be able
>> to get
>> > things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of
>> the
>> > back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played
>> with
>> > the ecommerce one yet).
>> >
>> > Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
>> > considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is
>> > probably better first (and a vote may not be needed
>> > depending on how this discussion goes).
>> >
>> > BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should
>> happen
>> > before the release branch next Tuesday.
>> >
>> > -David
>
>
>
>
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com>.
Looking at this more...
The current default and bluelight themes are scalable - you can change the font size from your browser. The smoothfeather theme is fixed pitch - you can't change the font size.
Also, smoothfeather doesn't fit on my screen. That theme won't be usable where I work because many of our users have their screen resolutions set to 800x600.
When designing themes, keep in mind that back office workers might have poor eyesight, or may be blind. The developer community put a lot of work into making the current theme accessible. If the default theme is changed, maybe we can market the current theme as the accessible one.
-Adrian
--- On Sun, 4/12/09, Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From: Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: New Default Theme?
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 9:13 AM
> I like the idea of having the default theme match the public
> website.
>
> Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its
> reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in
> RTL layout?
>
> -Adrian
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones
> <da...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
>
> > From: David E Jones
> <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> > Subject: New Default Theme?
> > To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM
> > Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm
> wondering
> > if we shouldn't change the default theme,
> especially for
> > the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we
> should
> > probably move to a theme component) is functional and
> I
> > suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give
> the
> > best first impression.
> >
> > Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the
> back-end
> > (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which
> is
> > meant to look like the new web site), and 1
> alternative
> > theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
> >
> > One issue with all of these is they haven't been
> tested
> > as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too
> worried
> > about that because there are issues with the new
> default
> > lots of people will see it soon and we should be able
> to get
> > things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of
> the
> > back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played
> with
> > the ecommerce one yet).
> >
> > Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
> > considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is
> > probably better first (and a vote may not be needed
> > depending on how this discussion goes).
> >
> > BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should
> happen
> > before the release branch next Tuesday.
> >
> > -David
Re: New Default Theme?
Posted by Adrian Crum <ad...@yahoo.com>.
I like the idea of having the default theme match the public website.
Not only is the current default theme lightweight, its reading direction is reversible. Will the new themes work in RTL layout?
-Adrian
--- On Fri, 4/10/09, David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com> wrote:
> From: David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Subject: New Default Theme?
> To: dev@ofbiz.apache.org
> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 3:21 PM
> Now that we have some nice themes in place I'm wondering
> if we shouldn't change the default theme, especially for
> the back-end. The old blue-grey-flat theme (which we should
> probably move to a theme component) is functional and I
> suppose lightweight too, but perhaps doesn't give the
> best first impression.
>
> Right now we have 2 alternative themes for the back-end
> (the bluelight theme and the smoothfeather theme which is
> meant to look like the new web site), and 1 alternative
> theme for ecommerce (the multiflex theme).
>
> One issue with all of these is they haven't been tested
> as thoroughly as the old stuff, but I'm not too worried
> about that because there are issues with the new default
> lots of people will see it soon and we should be able to get
> things fixed pretty fast. In my own testing both of the
> back-end ones seem pretty solid (I haven't played with
> the ecommerce one yet).
>
> Anyway, please respond with your thoughts on this. I
> considered opening a vote, but a general discussion is
> probably better first (and a vote may not be needed
> depending on how this discussion goes).
>
> BTW, yes, this is for marketing purposes and should happen
> before the release branch next Tuesday.
>
> -David