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Posted to dev@tomcat.apache.org by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk> on 2000/04/20 11:47:32 UTC
Platforms for Java 2...
Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
facts'n'figures would help...
So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
_are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
I'll count the results and publish them.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
Bob Jamison wrote:
>
> Oooops! I think this was taken the wrong way!
>
> >
> > a) What flames?
>
> Ohhh nooo... I was mentioning the VM port as an aside, not this. ;-)
>
> >
> > b) I haven't said I won't do it - however there are licensing issues.
>
> I -did- say (kidding). But I did not know that; is there really a problem
> with distributing binaries linked on a BSD box?
No, there's a problem with exposing yourself to Sun's source. It
pollutes your mind. In the licensing sense, of course.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Bob Jamison <rj...@lincom-asg.com>.
Oooops! I think this was taken the wrong way!
>
> a) What flames?
Ohhh nooo... I was mentioning the VM port as an aside, not this. ;-)
>
> b) I haven't said I won't do it - however there are licensing issues.
I -did- say (kidding). But I did not know that; is there really a problem
with distributing binaries linked on a BSD box?
>
> c) So can I take it that you'd like it to work on Irix (I know it does,
> that's beside the point)?
Actually, yes! Everything works ok, but if somone needs Irix binaries,
I would be happy to send in .so objects for Apache 2 and 1.3.
One thing I would remind anyone building shared objects for the different
Unixes: PLEASE link statically!! Free the end-users of the headache of
run-time dependencies, and make this stuff as robust as possible. A good
example is NS6, which is dynamically linked, and is very difficult to
install and run.
Soooooooo ...... Thanks for asking. +1 on Irix, along with +1 volunteer .
Bob
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
Bob Jamison wrote:
>
> Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> > Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> > this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> > facts'n'figures would help...
> >
> > So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> > and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> > _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> > already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
> >
> > I'll count the results and publish them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Ben.
>
> By the way, 3.1 is working great! Nice job, guys.
>
> Being a cooperative effort, maybe it would be best if the users
> of these other systems contributed their specific knowledge (and code)
> to the common good.
>
> If it were not working on Irix, (but it is, with SGI's 1.2.2), I would
> try make the changes myself and submit the results to the committers here.
> The BSD guys and AIX guys, etc, might consider doing the same.
>
> Two of our main servers are BSD, and the admin wants Tomcat added
> to the Apache server, so he might be in the mood to contribute, too.
>
> I have always wondered at the "I want a VM port to xxxxxxx" flames;
> my slant on the topic is: you're a programmer, -you- do it.
a) What flames?
b) I haven't said I won't do it - however there are licensing issues.
c) So can I take it that you'd like it to work on Irix (I know it does,
that's beside the point)?
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Bob Jamison <rj...@lincom-asg.com>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben.
By the way, 3.1 is working great! Nice job, guys.
Being a cooperative effort, maybe it would be best if the users
of these other systems contributed their specific knowledge (and code)
to the common good.
If it were not working on Irix, (but it is, with SGI's 1.2.2), I would
try make the changes myself and submit the results to the committers here.
The BSD guys and AIX guys, etc, might consider doing the same.
Two of our main servers are BSD, and the admin wants Tomcat added
to the Apache server, so he might be in the mood to contribute, too.
I have always wondered at the "I want a VM port to xxxxxxx" flames;
my slant on the topic is: you're a programmer, -you- do it.
But not me, I'm a busy man, time is money, blah blah.... (kidding)! ;-)
Bob
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Shantul Nigam <SN...@ProfileSys.com>.
Just to put this into perspective.... Sun did not make a Linux distribution
of Java either until this year. Now that Linux is the "in thing" and is
becoming a viable platform (ie, has enough market share for critical mass),
Sun has jumped on the bandwagon to make a version.....
I don't know how different FreeBSD is from Linux but perhaps the people at
BlackDown or Kaffe would consider making a version of their product for
it..... Also might want to check with WalnutCreek to see what they have
available....
Good Luck,
Shantul.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben.
>
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Anil Vijendran <ak...@pipedream.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
Can't decide for sure right now :-) but the impression I have so far is
FreeBSD is more stable than Linux.
I'd run middle-tier stuff on FreeBSD and DB stuff on Solaris.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Adam Ierymenko <ap...@relaymail.net>.
Avi Cherry wrote:
> I want CHOICE and UNIFORMITY! Isn't that Sun's promise with Java?
> Run the SAME code on ANY platform?!
>
> As Mr. Fumagalli mentioned in an earlier post, he's planning on
> switching to Solaris because it is currently the only REAL server
> platform (NT doesn't really count, in my books) that has 100% support
> for Java in it. Actually, that's not quite true. Oddly enough,
> MacOSX Server (and MacOSX, though NOT MacOS 9) has a 100% 1.2.2 JVM
> with a good, fast JIT. But I'm currently doing the specs for an
> intensive servlet-based enterprise platform, and I feel like our hand
> is being forced in the direction of a Sparc box for the simple fact
> that there really isn't any other logical choice. Solaris for Intel
> is, performance-wise, a poor choice for a server platform, by the
> way, from the articles I've read about it.
> What about AIX? IBM's RS/6000 platform has been rated at almost
> twice the price/performance as a Sparc box, but I don't yet see a JVM
> for it. What about SGI's? And Alpha's? Alright, SGI's can now run
> Linux, as can Alpha's, but is there a half-decent JIT for them? Not
> that I know of.
> Sun may say that there is now a 'approved' version of Java for Linux,
> but until they 'approve' a JIT to go with it, nobody is going to take
> it seriously.
I run blackdown RC4 with sunwjit and it seems to perform pretty well.
I'm running tomcat as well as Borland JBuilder which is quite a large
Java application and you'd think that if there were any JIT problems
it would crash (it runs fine).
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ethan Henry <eg...@klg.com>.
Avi Cherry wrote:
>
> I have looked there before, when looking for IBM's x86/Linux JVM, but
> I must not have noticed the 1.2.2 support for AIX. Again, I am
> mistaken and I apologize for not checking my sources before I rant.
IBM skipped 1.2 in general. For the most part, they're planning on
going straight to JDK 1.3. For whatever reason, they didn't like 1.2.
AIX and OS/390 are the only platforms where there appears to be an
IBM port of 1.2.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Avi Cherry <al...@cafe.net>.
>Don't _EVER_ call me Mr. Fumagalli... NEVER! :-(
MMmm... Okay. Sorry. I thought that was a fairly safe thing to call
you, since I do not know you personally.
>Nope... I didn't say that... I said that I'm moving to Solaris
>because I believe it has the _best_ platform 2 support... Let's try
>to keep quotes as they are...
Very well. I took your quote a step too far, and for that, I apologize.
> Actually, that's not quite true. Oddly enough,
> MacOSX Server (and MacOSX, though NOT MacOS 9) has a 100% 1.2.2 JVM
> with a good, fast JIT.
>Sorry... But if I need to get my hands on MacOS/X, I'd also have to get
>my hands on a PowerMAC G3/G4... Not only new OS, also new Server...
>That's CHEAP :) :)
Well, I wasn't actually suggesting that you purchase a new computer
with a new OS... MacOS X Server is $400, and a new G4, $1500, but
then again, if you're in the market for a new Solaris server, $1900
is probably pocket change. (I believe that you mentioned that Solaris
is 'free', however, as far as -I- know, it's only free for
educational and non-profit use, NOT for commercial use).
>Have you ever tried to go to http://www.ibm.com/java
>The VM is there since MONTHS!!!!
I have looked there before, when looking for IBM's x86/Linux JVM, but
I must not have noticed the 1.2.2 support for AIX. Again, I am
mistaken and I apologize for not checking my sources before I rant.
:-)
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Kevin A. Burton" <bu...@relativity.yi.org>.
"Pier P. Fumagalli" wrote:
<snip>
> Nope... I didn't say that... I said that I'm moving to Solaris because I
> believe it has the _best_ platform 2 support... Let's try to keep quotes
> as they are... Linux has _even_ TWO virtual machines for platform 2: the
> Sun one and the BlackDown one, and a third one is on its way (IBM's)
> hopefully. The only problem I have w/ Linux is that it doesn't have
> (IMVHO) a decent threading model (as of kernel 2.2).
Sorry. The Solaris JVM (and also the Linux JVM) all suck. The best is
the SUN/IBM JVM on NT (1.2.2). Also the TowerJ Compiler is really
awesome and if you need to scale to a ton of IP sockets open at once it
is the only way to go.
IMO the best way to go is the IBM JVM 1.2.2 on Linux or TowerJ.
<snip>
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Martin Kuba <ma...@twelvehorses.com>.
Aravind Naidu wrote:
>
> OffTopic but interesting.
>
> I am a bit surprised about your reaction. I have talked to a lot of people
> using the IBM JDK and everyone have been very happy with it.
> Personally, I remember the day, when I first laid my hands on it. My
> application ran visibily faster. I ran some spec benchmarks that I compiled
> myself and the Java app ran faster than an unoptimised C program !!
>
> Well, if you don't take my word for it. Try the well respected Volano
> benchmark.
> http://www.volano.com/report.html
>
> The only thing that ran faster than the IBM JDK was a compiler and the IBM
> jit eats SUN's hotspot for lunch and more.
I have found IBM JDK on Linux fast for small I/O intensive task
of running the HelloServlet, but for a complex task of running the Dynamo Application
Server it takes constantly 100% of CPU without doing anything.
The Blackdown JDK 1.1.8 and 1.2.2 with Dynamo in idle state take 0% CPU.
Martin
RE: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Aravind Naidu <ar...@software-assoc.com>.
OffTopic but interesting.
I am a bit surprised about your reaction. I have talked to a lot of people
using the IBM JDK and everyone have been very happy with it.
Personally, I remember the day, when I first laid my hands on it. My
application ran visibily faster. I ran some spec benchmarks that I compiled
myself and the Java app ran faster than an unoptimised C program !!
Well, if you don't take my word for it. Try the well respected Volano
benchmark.
http://www.volano.com/report.html
The only thing that ran faster than the IBM JDK was a compiler and the IBM
jit eats SUN's hotspot for lunch and more.
-- Aravind
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brill Pappin [mailto:brill.pappin@jmonkey.com]
> Sent: Sunday, 23 April 2000 00:49
> To: general@jakarta.apache.org; aravind.naidu@software-assoc.com
> Subject: RE: Platforms for Java 2...
>
>
> You know, I find that I'm always complaining about IBM and how they always
> seem to be behind in the Java area.
> Of course its supposed to be for "stability" and "portability" etc... but
> WebSphere for instance is far from great.
> I also haven't found IBMs JDK to be all that much faster, though I keep
> hearing that it is.
> Also, IBM tends to mix a lot of native stuff into their java applications,
> which is supposed to speed them up, but I don't think its worth it.
>
> >From experience, I'm not to fond of working with IBMs software...
>
> - Brill Pappin
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aravind Naidu [mailto:aravind.naidu@software-assoc.com]
> > Sent: April 22, 2000 5:17 AM
> > To: general@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: RE: Platforms for Java 2...
> >
> >
> > <snip>
> > >
> > > > What about AIX? IBM's RS/6000 platform has been rated at almost
> > > > twice the price/performance as a Sparc box, but I don't yet
> see a JVM
> > > > for it.
> > >
> > > Have you ever tried to go to http://www.ibm.com/java
> > > The VM is there since MONTHS!!!!
> > >
> >
> > Correct that. YEARS !!! IBM as one of SUN's premier partners have
> > had JDK's
> > for several platforms. In fact you will find the IBM JDK faster
> > than the SUN
> > one.
> >
> > Look here for a list and their future plans.
> > http://www.ibm.com/java/jdk/other/portingplans.html
> >
> >
> > -- Aravind
> >
> >
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RE: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Brill Pappin <br...@jmonkey.com>.
You know, I find that I'm always complaining about IBM and how they always
seem to be behind in the Java area.
Of course its supposed to be for "stability" and "portability" etc... but
WebSphere for instance is far from great.
I also haven't found IBMs JDK to be all that much faster, though I keep
hearing that it is.
Also, IBM tends to mix a lot of native stuff into their java applications,
which is supposed to speed them up, but I don't think its worth it.
RE: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Aravind Naidu <ar...@software-assoc.com>.
<snip>
>
> > What about AIX? IBM's RS/6000 platform has been rated at almost
> > twice the price/performance as a Sparc box, but I don't yet see a JVM
> > for it.
>
> Have you ever tried to go to http://www.ibm.com/java
> The VM is there since MONTHS!!!!
>
Correct that. YEARS !!! IBM as one of SUN's premier partners have had JDK's
for several platforms. In fact you will find the IBM JDK faster than the SUN
one.
Look here for a list and their future plans.
http://www.ibm.com/java/jdk/other/portingplans.html
-- Aravind
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@apache.org>.
Avi Cherry wrote:
>
> As Mr. Fumagalli
Don't _EVER_ call me Mr. Fumagalli... NEVER! :-(
> mentioned in an earlier post, he's planning on
> switching to Solaris because it is currently the only REAL server
> platform (NT doesn't really count, in my books) that has 100% support
> for Java in it.
Nope... I didn't say that... I said that I'm moving to Solaris because I
believe it has the _best_ platform 2 support... Let's try to keep quotes
as they are... Linux has _even_ TWO virtual machines for platform 2: the
Sun one and the BlackDown one, and a third one is on its way (IBM's)
hopefully. The only problem I have w/ Linux is that it doesn't have
(IMVHO) a decent threading model (as of kernel 2.2).
> Actually, that's not quite true. Oddly enough,
> MacOSX Server (and MacOSX, though NOT MacOS 9) has a 100% 1.2.2 JVM
> with a good, fast JIT.
Sorry... But if I need to get my hands on MacOS/X, I'd also have to get
my hands on a PowerMAC G3/G4... Not only new OS, also new Server...
That's CHEAP :) :)
> What about AIX? IBM's RS/6000 platform has been rated at almost
> twice the price/performance as a Sparc box, but I don't yet see a JVM
> for it.
Have you ever tried to go to http://www.ibm.com/java
The VM is there since MONTHS!!!!
Pier
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Avi Cherry <al...@cafe.net>.
>As far as I know the current MacOSX Server only has 1.1.6., MacOSX the new
>unified (client and Server) OS from Apple, scheduled for the summer, will
>have 1.2 and maybe 1.3 builtin - at least that is what they are saying.
Ahh... That must have been where I saw a 1.2.2 when I typed java
-version. It was in MacOSX DP3.
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by joaquim <jo...@eden.dei.uc.pt>.
on 4/22/00 2:01 AM, Avi Cherry at alannon@cafe.net wrote:
> Oddly enough,
> MacOSX Server (and MacOSX, though NOT MacOS 9) has a 100% 1.2.2 JVM
> with a good, fast JIT.
As far as I know the current MacOSX Server only has 1.1.6., MacOSX the new
unified (client and Server) OS from Apple, scheduled for the summer, will
have 1.2 and maybe 1.3 builtin - at least that is what they are saying.
Joaquim
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Avi Cherry <al...@cafe.net>.
I want CHOICE and UNIFORMITY! Isn't that Sun's promise with Java?
Run the SAME code on ANY platform?!
As Mr. Fumagalli mentioned in an earlier post, he's planning on
switching to Solaris because it is currently the only REAL server
platform (NT doesn't really count, in my books) that has 100% support
for Java in it. Actually, that's not quite true. Oddly enough,
MacOSX Server (and MacOSX, though NOT MacOS 9) has a 100% 1.2.2 JVM
with a good, fast JIT. But I'm currently doing the specs for an
intensive servlet-based enterprise platform, and I feel like our hand
is being forced in the direction of a Sparc box for the simple fact
that there really isn't any other logical choice. Solaris for Intel
is, performance-wise, a poor choice for a server platform, by the
way, from the articles I've read about it.
What about AIX? IBM's RS/6000 platform has been rated at almost
twice the price/performance as a Sparc box, but I don't yet see a JVM
for it. What about SGI's? And Alpha's? Alright, SGI's can now run
Linux, as can Alpha's, but is there a half-decent JIT for them? Not
that I know of.
Sun may say that there is now a 'approved' version of Java for Linux,
but until they 'approve' a JIT to go with it, nobody is going to take
it seriously.
I'm sorry. I'm ranting.
#end rant
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Adam Ierymenko <ap...@relaymail.net>.
Dmitry Melekhov wrote:
> Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> > Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> > this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> > facts'n'figures would help...
> >
> > So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> > and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> > _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> > already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
> >
> > I'll count the results and publish them.
> >
>
> OK.
> Linux
> :)
Just out of curiosity.. are there any benchmarks for the
latest Linux Java 2 JRE (using sunwjit.. i.e. blackdown RC4
or later) vs. the Java 2 JRE on Solaris, WinNT, etc.?
I know that Linux's threads implementation is often criticized,
although I'm not sure how big of a real speed difference it
makes. Are there any numbers here? Java is threads-
intensive and does some other things that put the OS to
quite a test.
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Dmitry Melekhov <dm...@aspec.ru>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
>
OK.
Linux
:)
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
"Pier P. Fumagalli" wrote:
>
> Ben Laurie wrote:
> >
> > Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> > this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> > facts'n'figures would help...
> >
> > So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> > and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> > _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> > already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
> >
> > I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
> over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
> that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
> So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
> but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
> it and run it...
>
> Pier (choosing his os depending on the quality of java support!)
But what I want to know is where you'd want the quality to be highest.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
"Pier P. Fumagalli" wrote:
>
> Ben Laurie wrote:
> >
> > Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> > this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> > facts'n'figures would help...
> >
> > So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> > and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> > _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> > already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
> >
> > I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
> over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
> that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
> So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
> but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
> it and run it...
>
> Pier (choosing his os depending on the quality of java support!)
But what I want to know is where you'd want the quality to be highest.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
"Pier P. Fumagalli" wrote:
>
> Ben Laurie wrote:
> >
> > Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> > this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> > facts'n'figures would help...
> >
> > So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> > and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> > _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> > already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
> >
> > I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
> over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
> that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
> So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
> but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
> it and run it...
>
> Pier (choosing his os depending on the quality of java support!)
But what I want to know is where you'd want the quality to be highest.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Mike Engelhart <me...@earthtrip.com>.
Pier P. Fumagalli wrote:
> I used to have solaris on that hardware (2.7, I believe) and it was a
> good OS, never a problem with it. I had to remove it only for license
> restriction (it wasn't used for development anymore!)...
>
> Pier
Well your luck may be better than mine. I've seen a lot of usenet traffic
by people that couldn't switch from 2.7 to 8 on the same hardware though...
Mike
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@apache.org>.
Mike Engelhart wrote:
>
> Pier P. Fumagalli wrote:
>
> > I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
> > over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
> > that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
> > So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
> > but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
> > it and run it...
>
> That's what I thought i'd do but see what happens when you try and install
> it on an intel box. I paid $75 for the CD's and it won't install on 6
> different machines all which are different but completely meet the specs in
> the HCL.
> The fine print says "Not all combinations of compatible hardware work."..
> Good luck....
I used to have solaris on that hardware (2.7, I believe) and it was a
good OS, never a problem with it. I had to remove it only for license
restriction (it wasn't used for development anymore!)...
Pier
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Mike Engelhart <me...@earthtrip.com>.
Pier P. Fumagalli wrote:
> I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
> over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
> that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
> So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
> but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
> it and run it...
That's what I thought i'd do but see what happens when you try and install
it on an intel box. I paid $75 for the CD's and it won't install on 6
different machines all which are different but completely meet the specs in
the HCL.
The fine print says "Not all combinations of compatible hardware work."..
Good luck....
Mike
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@apache.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
it and run it...
Pier (choosing his os depending on the quality of java support!)
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Anil Vijendran <ak...@pipedream.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
Can't decide for sure right now :-) but the impression I have so far is
FreeBSD is more stable than Linux.
I'd run middle-tier stuff on FreeBSD and DB stuff on Solaris.
--
Peace, Anil +<:-)
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
"Kevin A. Burton" wrote:
>
> Ben Laurie wrote:
> >
> > Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> > this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> > facts'n'figures would help...
> >
> > So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> > and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> > _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> > already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
> >
> > I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> This is total BS from SUN. Them officially stamping a JVM is just
> stupid. They just need to OSS the damn JVM and let us port it.! :)
One step at a time. :-)
> It doesn't matter that they don't find it worth while. Let the
> community do it :)
Agreed.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Kevin A. Burton" <bu...@relativity.yi.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
This is total BS from SUN. Them officially stamping a JVM is just
stupid. They just need to OSS the damn JVM and let us port it.! :)
It doesn't matter that they don't find it worth while. Let the
community do it :)
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http://relativity.yi.org
Message to SUN: "Please Open Source Java!"
The house of the unbelievers shall be razed and they shall be
scorched to the earth. Their code will be open until the end of days.
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Anil Vijendran <ak...@pipedream.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
Can't decide for sure right now :-) but the impression I have so far is
FreeBSD is more stable than Linux.
I'd run middle-tier stuff on FreeBSD and DB stuff on Solaris.
--
Peace, Anil +<:-)
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@apache.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
it and run it...
Pier (choosing his os depending on the quality of java support!)
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Brill Pappin <br...@jmonkey.com>.
Better support for Linux.
At least as solid as Solaris and Windows.
- Brill Pappin
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Subject: Platforms for Java 2...
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben.
>
> --
> http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html
>
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by "Pier P. Fumagalli" <pi...@apache.org>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
I don't tell you what I'm using... I'll tell you what I'm going to do
over this week end... I believe in platform 2, I love it, and I think
that NOW it's time to switch, even in production environments...
So, I'm very sorry for my Linux box, who followed me for the last year,
but, since now Solaris is freely available, well, I'm going to install
it and run it...
Pier (choosing his os depending on the quality of java support!)
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by James Duncan Davidson <ja...@eng.sun.com>.
> Both J2EE and HotSpot for FreeBSD would be nice.
Note that the source code for JDK 1.3/beta and HotSpot (as well as JDK
1.2) are available under SCSL. Please, no license wars here, we are
talking about code to base a port on. Even if Sun decides not to work on
a port, the source code is there to do one.
And yes, if you are going to do a port at this time, target 1.3 (IMHO).
:) Only the latest and greatest.
.duncan
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
James Duncan Davidson wrote:
>
> > Both J2EE and HotSpot for FreeBSD would be nice.
>
> Note that the source code for JDK 1.3/beta and HotSpot (as well as JDK
> 1.2) are available under SCSL. Please, no license wars here, we are
> talking about code to base a port on. Even if Sun decides not to work on
> a port, the source code is there to do one.
>
> And yes, if you are going to do a port at this time, target 1.3 (IMHO).
> :) Only the latest and greatest.
Does all 1.2 code run on 1.3?
Cheers,
Ben.
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by James Duncan Davidson <ja...@eng.sun.com>.
> Both J2EE and HotSpot for FreeBSD would be nice.
Note that the source code for JDK 1.3/beta and HotSpot (as well as JDK
1.2) are available under SCSL. Please, no license wars here, we are
talking about code to base a port on. Even if Sun decides not to work on
a port, the source code is there to do one.
And yes, if you are going to do a port at this time, target 1.3 (IMHO).
:) Only the latest and greatest.
.duncan
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Glenn Nielsen <gl...@voyager.apg.more.net>.
Both J2EE and HotSpot for FreeBSD would be nice.
Now if Yahoo or HotMail were interested in this for the 1000's of
FreeBSD servers they run maybe Sun would reconsider.
Ben Laurie wrote:
>
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben.
>
> --
> http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html
>
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Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Mike Engelhart <me...@earthtrip.com>.
Ben Laurie wrote:
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
> I'll count the results and publish them.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ben.
I actually don't use FreeBSD because of the fact that there isn't a JVM for
it. I would love to have a real JVM (not emulation mode) for FreeBSD.
Mike
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by James Duncan Davidson <ja...@eng.sun.com>.
> I would like to run Tomcat and other stuff on MacOS X. It has Mach kernel
> and BSD layer.
Mac OS X has jdk 1.2.2 as of DP3....
.duncan
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by James Duncan Davidson <ja...@eng.sun.com>.
> I would like to run Tomcat and other stuff on MacOS X. It has Mach kernel
> and BSD layer.
Mac OS X has jdk 1.2.2 as of DP3....
.duncan
Re: Platforms for Java 2...
Posted by Richard Chuo <fo...@libra.seed.net.tw>.
on 4/20/2000 5:47 PM, Ben Laurie at ben@algroup.co.uk wrote:
> Sun tell me there's "no demand" for Java 2 on FreeBSD. I suspect that
> this is simply coz people don't think its worth asking, but some
> facts'n'figures would help...
>
> So, in an ideal world, what plaform would you like to run Tomcat, Cocoon
> and all the other good Java server stuff on? Don't tell me what you
> _are_ using (coz obviously that will only include platforms that are
> already supported), tell me what you'd be happiest using.
>
I would like to run Tomcat and other stuff on MacOS X. It has Mach kernel
and BSD layer.
Best regards,
Richard Chuo