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Posted to dev@forrest.apache.org by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org> on 2018/08/07 03:23:05 UTC
History - packaging, and the 0.9 release
I did some archeology detective work to find how we ended up with three separate release packages.
Aside: Way too much time wandering around broken email archives, grrr.
With some of the links, i at least used the Apache URL Shortener to go via the
Gmane message-id service. I found that some links to there do still work.
However, if they have gone then we should be able to get the message-id from
the Shortener (i thought that it was by appending "?action=display", but no)
and then use some other email archive to lookup with the message-id.
Surely lists.apache.org can do that but i cannot find how.
So on our download page we link to two separate packages:
apache-forrest-0.9-sources.tar.gz
apache-forrest-0.9-dependencies.tar.gz
Yet the $FORREST_HOME/main/build.xml only generates apache-forrest-0.9.tar.gz
Our "How_to_release" doc does not mention the separate "*-sources" and "*.dependencies" packages.
Looking behind the scenes at:
http://archive.apache.org/dist/forrest/
Shows that the "*-sources" and "*.dependencies" packages are dated 2012-11-21
and the other one is dated earlier at 2011-02-01.
The date 2011-02-01 is our original 0.9 release date.
The source of our download mirrors page was edited around 2012-04-20
to link to those separate packages.
Going back to the mail archives around March April 2012 shows that we needed
to re-release 0.9:
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:55:13 +1100
From: David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>
To: dev@forrest.apache.org
Subject: [Proposal] re-release 0.9 with proper source code package
Message-ID: <20...@igg.local>
See its linked message from Roy that:
> ... jar files of dependencies -- they are NOT our product and they
> MUST NOT be present in the source code package that is voted on for release.
We did our original release of apache-forrest-0.9.tar.gz on 2011-02-01
then followed up with a proper "sources-only" release on 2012-04-19.
Note that the "How_to_release" doc and the main/build.xml have not been updated to do that.
Why were those packages amended on 2012-11-21?
I reckon that that is probably this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-1239
utilise svnpubsub for Forrest distribution area
Then around 2013-11-29 a distribution maintainer asked about the separate packages
and could we provide a combined one:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-1244
"Fat tar" for easier installation
I did provide the instructions there to enable one of the Forrest PMC to
combine the packages into one and deploy that to the dist area.
I presume that no-one did, otherwise the apache-forrest-0.9.tar.gz
would have a date newer than the original of 2011-02-01.
So that is considered to be a convenience archive, but not the one called
for in FOR-1244.
Gavin commented yesterday in that FOR-1244 wondering about the release packaging.
I will link from there to here to help explain.
Good luck, i hope that this history helps.
-David
Re: History - packaging, and the 0.9 release
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
One other discrepancy which would need to be fixed before the 0.10 release.
The distribution archives are not complete.
The listing here only contains the convenience package as explained below:
http://archive.apache.org/dist/forrest/0.9/
It needs to also have a copy of the 0.9 re-release as explained below,
especially the actual "*-sources" package.
The complete set of files are available at:
http://archive.apache.org/dist/forrest/
but they were not copied to the 0.9 space.
Perhaps there was a glitch with the archiving process around that time.
-David
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 01:23:05PM +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> I did some archeology detective work to find how we ended up with three separate release packages.
>
> Aside: Way too much time wandering around broken email archives, grrr.
> With some of the links, i at least used the Apache URL Shortener to go via the
> Gmane message-id service. I found that some links to there do still work.
> However, if they have gone then we should be able to get the message-id from
> the Shortener (i thought that it was by appending "?action=display", but no)
> and then use some other email archive to lookup with the message-id.
> Surely lists.apache.org can do that but i cannot find how.
>
> So on our download page we link to two separate packages:
>
> apache-forrest-0.9-sources.tar.gz
> apache-forrest-0.9-dependencies.tar.gz
>
> Yet the $FORREST_HOME/main/build.xml only generates apache-forrest-0.9.tar.gz
>
> Our "How_to_release" doc does not mention the separate "*-sources" and "*.dependencies" packages.
>
> Looking behind the scenes at:
> http://archive.apache.org/dist/forrest/
> Shows that the "*-sources" and "*.dependencies" packages are dated 2012-11-21
> and the other one is dated earlier at 2011-02-01.
>
> The date 2011-02-01 is our original 0.9 release date.
>
> The source of our download mirrors page was edited around 2012-04-20
> to link to those separate packages.
>
> Going back to the mail archives around March April 2012 shows that we needed
> to re-release 0.9:
> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:55:13 +1100
> From: David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>
> To: dev@forrest.apache.org
> Subject: [Proposal] re-release 0.9 with proper source code package
> Message-ID: <20...@igg.local>
> See its linked message from Roy that:
> > ... jar files of dependencies -- they are NOT our product and they
> > MUST NOT be present in the source code package that is voted on for release.
>
> We did our original release of apache-forrest-0.9.tar.gz on 2011-02-01
> then followed up with a proper "sources-only" release on 2012-04-19.
>
> Note that the "How_to_release" doc and the main/build.xml have not been updated to do that.
>
> Why were those packages amended on 2012-11-21?
> I reckon that that is probably this:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-1239
> utilise svnpubsub for Forrest distribution area
>
> Then around 2013-11-29 a distribution maintainer asked about the separate packages
> and could we provide a combined one:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-1244
> "Fat tar" for easier installation
>
> I did provide the instructions there to enable one of the Forrest PMC to
> combine the packages into one and deploy that to the dist area.
> I presume that no-one did, otherwise the apache-forrest-0.9.tar.gz
> would have a date newer than the original of 2011-02-01.
> So that is considered to be a convenience archive, but not the one called
> for in FOR-1244.
>
> Gavin commented yesterday in that FOR-1244 wondering about the release packaging.
> I will link from there to here to help explain.
>
> Good luck, i hope that this history helps.
>
> -David
>