Confused where to post user type questions

[Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com>]

Hi folks,

as a new user to Kudu, it is confusing what is the best venue to post user
type questions about Kudu which is important for any thriving open source
project. I have posted some questions on slack and got a feeling they were
not welcome there as discussions on slack seem to be focused on
development. I can see that slack group is very active though.

the user group is not that active though with like 10 email threads this
month.

Can someone clarify this for us newcomers?

We also have official channel for paying CDH customers but there are
benefits to use informal ones :)

Thanks for such an amazing product and everything you do!

Boris

Re: Confused where to post user type questions

[Mike Percy <mp...@apache.org>]

Hi Boris,
Thanks again for asking about this and I'm happy that you enjoyed listening
to me blab about Kudu! Mark Rittman and the Roaring Elephant guys were very
kind and fun to talk to. I'll note that I think the more recent one (with
Roaring Elephant) had the better audio quality of the two recordings as a
result of the equipment I used.

Mike

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:24 PM, Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com> wrote:

> totally makes sense to me. thanks Mike and Andrew.
>
> Mike, on a side note, I was just listening to a drill to detail and
> roaring elephant podcasts featuring you :) you did a really great job
> explaining Kudu's role in Big Data ecosystem, I enjoyed both episodes and
> they were one year apart I think so it was interesting to see how Kudu had
> been evolving over the past year.
>
> Thanks,
> Boris
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Mike Percy <mp...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Boris,
>> Here's my 2 cents. To some extent, chat vs email is a matter of personal
>> preference and we try to support both.
>>
>> Personally I think Slack is nice for instant feedback when you can get
>> it, but email lists are better for questions. Chat channels are a kind of
>> stream-of-conversations and I often find that it's easy to miss someone's
>> comment or question while I'm in the middle of a discussion or when it's
>> been a busy day and there was a lot of activity while I was away.
>>
>> Email threads have subject lines that make them hard to miss, plus they
>> are indexed by Google, which is helpful for others who have the same
>> question in the future. My recommendation would be to use this email list
>> as much as you're comfortable with, and I hope we can encourage more people
>> to use it because of the previously-stated benefits as well as the ability
>> to communicate with people who are not in your local time zone.
>>
>> Regarding the Cloudera forums, it's not something I'd recommend in an
>> Apache context because we can't rely on it for Apache releases. Only
>> Cloudera's software releases are supported there. We need to provide an
>> avenue to support Apache software releases, so this email list (
>> user@kudu.apache.org) and Slack provide the basis for that.
>>
>> Hope that helps. Thank you for asking this question and please continue
>> to raise any concerns with us when you're unable to get the help you need.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Andrew Wong <aw...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Boris,
>>>
>>> Thanks for reaching out! Yeah, currently the most active place to ask
>>> questions is the Kudu slack #kudu-general channel. Sometimes we talk about
>>> dev stuff, but it is also a place user questions. Given its activity,
>>> sometimes user questions fall through the cracks, although we try to avoid
>>> this as much as possible.
>>>
>>> You raise a good point though: for a new user, it might seem like the
>>> wrong place to ask questions if there are a bunch of dev conversations
>>> going on. There have been discussions in the past to migrate those
>>> discussions to a #kudu-dev or something similar. Would be interested in
>>> seeing whether others think it's time to bring this to fruition.
>>>
>>> I should also point out that the Cloudera Community forums are also a
>>> nice platform for Q&A. There's a board for Impala, where Kudu questions are
>>> often asked, so feel free to ask questions there too!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>> as a new user to Kudu, it is confusing what is the best venue to post
>>>> user type questions about Kudu which is important for any thriving open
>>>> source project. I have posted some questions on slack and got a feeling
>>>> they were not welcome there as discussions on slack seem to be focused on
>>>> development. I can see that slack group is very active though.
>>>>
>>>> the user group is not that active though with like 10 email threads
>>>> this month.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone clarify this for us newcomers?
>>>>
>>>> We also have official channel for paying CDH customers but there are
>>>> benefits to use informal ones :)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for such an amazing product and everything you do!
>>>>
>>>> Boris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Wong
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: Confused where to post user type questions

[Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com>]

totally makes sense to me. thanks Mike and Andrew.

Mike, on a side note, I was just listening to a drill to detail and roaring
elephant podcasts featuring you :) you did a really great job explaining
Kudu's role in Big Data ecosystem, I enjoyed both episodes and they were
one year apart I think so it was interesting to see how Kudu had been
evolving over the past year.

Thanks,
Boris

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Mike Percy <mp...@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Boris,
> Here's my 2 cents. To some extent, chat vs email is a matter of personal
> preference and we try to support both.
>
> Personally I think Slack is nice for instant feedback when you can get it,
> but email lists are better for questions. Chat channels are a kind of
> stream-of-conversations and I often find that it's easy to miss someone's
> comment or question while I'm in the middle of a discussion or when it's
> been a busy day and there was a lot of activity while I was away.
>
> Email threads have subject lines that make them hard to miss, plus they
> are indexed by Google, which is helpful for others who have the same
> question in the future. My recommendation would be to use this email list
> as much as you're comfortable with, and I hope we can encourage more people
> to use it because of the previously-stated benefits as well as the ability
> to communicate with people who are not in your local time zone.
>
> Regarding the Cloudera forums, it's not something I'd recommend in an
> Apache context because we can't rely on it for Apache releases. Only
> Cloudera's software releases are supported there. We need to provide an
> avenue to support Apache software releases, so this email list (
> user@kudu.apache.org) and Slack provide the basis for that.
>
> Hope that helps. Thank you for asking this question and please continue to
> raise any concerns with us when you're unable to get the help you need.
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Andrew Wong <aw...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Boris,
>>
>> Thanks for reaching out! Yeah, currently the most active place to ask
>> questions is the Kudu slack #kudu-general channel. Sometimes we talk about
>> dev stuff, but it is also a place user questions. Given its activity,
>> sometimes user questions fall through the cracks, although we try to avoid
>> this as much as possible.
>>
>> You raise a good point though: for a new user, it might seem like the
>> wrong place to ask questions if there are a bunch of dev conversations
>> going on. There have been discussions in the past to migrate those
>> discussions to a #kudu-dev or something similar. Would be interested in
>> seeing whether others think it's time to bring this to fruition.
>>
>> I should also point out that the Cloudera Community forums are also a
>> nice platform for Q&A. There's a board for Impala, where Kudu questions are
>> often asked, so feel free to ask questions there too!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> as a new user to Kudu, it is confusing what is the best venue to post
>>> user type questions about Kudu which is important for any thriving open
>>> source project. I have posted some questions on slack and got a feeling
>>> they were not welcome there as discussions on slack seem to be focused on
>>> development. I can see that slack group is very active though.
>>>
>>> the user group is not that active though with like 10 email threads this
>>> month.
>>>
>>> Can someone clarify this for us newcomers?
>>>
>>> We also have official channel for paying CDH customers but there are
>>> benefits to use informal ones :)
>>>
>>> Thanks for such an amazing product and everything you do!
>>>
>>> Boris
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Wong
>>
>
>

Re: Confused where to post user type questions

[Mike Percy <mp...@apache.org>]

Hi Boris,
Here's my 2 cents. To some extent, chat vs email is a matter of personal
preference and we try to support both.

Personally I think Slack is nice for instant feedback when you can get it,
but email lists are better for questions. Chat channels are a kind of
stream-of-conversations and I often find that it's easy to miss someone's
comment or question while I'm in the middle of a discussion or when it's
been a busy day and there was a lot of activity while I was away.

Email threads have subject lines that make them hard to miss, plus they are
indexed by Google, which is helpful for others who have the same question
in the future. My recommendation would be to use this email list as much as
you're comfortable with, and I hope we can encourage more people to use it
because of the previously-stated benefits as well as the ability to
communicate with people who are not in your local time zone.

Regarding the Cloudera forums, it's not something I'd recommend in an
Apache context because we can't rely on it for Apache releases. Only
Cloudera's software releases are supported there. We need to provide an
avenue to support Apache software releases, so this email list (
user@kudu.apache.org) and Slack provide the basis for that.

Hope that helps. Thank you for asking this question and please continue to
raise any concerns with us when you're unable to get the help you need.

Mike

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Andrew Wong <aw...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> Hi Boris,
>
> Thanks for reaching out! Yeah, currently the most active place to ask
> questions is the Kudu slack #kudu-general channel. Sometimes we talk about
> dev stuff, but it is also a place user questions. Given its activity,
> sometimes user questions fall through the cracks, although we try to avoid
> this as much as possible.
>
> You raise a good point though: for a new user, it might seem like the
> wrong place to ask questions if there are a bunch of dev conversations
> going on. There have been discussions in the past to migrate those
> discussions to a #kudu-dev or something similar. Would be interested in
> seeing whether others think it's time to bring this to fruition.
>
> I should also point out that the Cloudera Community forums are also a nice
> platform for Q&A. There's a board for Impala, where Kudu questions are
> often asked, so feel free to ask questions there too!
>
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> as a new user to Kudu, it is confusing what is the best venue to post
>> user type questions about Kudu which is important for any thriving open
>> source project. I have posted some questions on slack and got a feeling
>> they were not welcome there as discussions on slack seem to be focused on
>> development. I can see that slack group is very active though.
>>
>> the user group is not that active though with like 10 email threads this
>> month.
>>
>> Can someone clarify this for us newcomers?
>>
>> We also have official channel for paying CDH customers but there are
>> benefits to use informal ones :)
>>
>> Thanks for such an amazing product and everything you do!
>>
>> Boris
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Andrew Wong
>

Re: Confused where to post user type questions

[Andrew Wong <aw...@cloudera.com>]

Hi Boris,

Thanks for reaching out! Yeah, currently the most active place to ask
questions is the Kudu slack #kudu-general channel. Sometimes we talk about
dev stuff, but it is also a place user questions. Given its activity,
sometimes user questions fall through the cracks, although we try to avoid
this as much as possible.

You raise a good point though: for a new user, it might seem like the wrong
place to ask questions if there are a bunch of dev conversations going on.
There have been discussions in the past to migrate those discussions to a
#kudu-dev or something similar. Would be interested in seeing whether
others think it's time to bring this to fruition.

I should also point out that the Cloudera Community forums are also a nice
platform for Q&A. There's a board for Impala, where Kudu questions are
often asked, so feel free to ask questions there too!

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Boris Tyukin <bo...@boristyukin.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> as a new user to Kudu, it is confusing what is the best venue to post user
> type questions about Kudu which is important for any thriving open source
> project. I have posted some questions on slack and got a feeling they were
> not welcome there as discussions on slack seem to be focused on
> development. I can see that slack group is very active though.
>
> the user group is not that active though with like 10 email threads this
> month.
>
> Can someone clarify this for us newcomers?
>
> We also have official channel for paying CDH customers but there are
> benefits to use informal ones :)
>
> Thanks for such an amazing product and everything you do!
>
> Boris
>



-- 
Andrew Wong