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Posted to dev@river.apache.org by Elijah Menifee <el...@gmail.com> on 2009/07/01 04:12:39 UTC
Jini.org and mailing list
Just as I was getting the itch to look into JavaSpaces/Jini again as a
possible technology to use for a possible redesign( at least a proof of
concept) of my company's internal software, the announcement went out that
the JavaSpaces-Users and Jini-Users mailing list were coming to an end.
SO, I started looking into the River project, and have found the recent
river-dev mail list archives, As far as I can tell still no decision has
actually been made about what to do about jini.org, should it remain
distinct from the River project, is it going to stay funded, should all the
data be ported with a redirect? I believe I came across the deadline of
July 8....
If my company was not a month behind in payroll, I would offer to at least
contribute via PayPal to fund the current site or domain name registration.
However since I am currently in a bind financial I figured I could at least
contribute some evenings and weekend work (Currently no other plans for July
4th). Just in case no community decision is made I am planning to start
manually adding what I think could be relavent from the Jini.org site to the
Apache River wiki. The down-side however, is that I have not actively
followed the jini project in quite some time, SO I do not know for sure what
might be the most important information or what information is out of date
or irrelevant to the River project(I understand Jini is at 2.1, the last
version I worked with was 1.2.1) In a way this will give me a chance to
re-familiarize myself with what I think IS a great redundant distributed
platform.
Also there is some talk that we may manage to get the archive lists released
and stored on the River site, If the current plan falls through I have a
large portion of the JAVASPACES-USERS since DEC 2002 in my IMAP Maildir
folder. If needed I am confident I can browse through the list to make sure
no irrelevant e-mails got save to that Maildir, and double check to see if
any other messages got saved somewhere else. It would at least be a partial
archive since there was a lot of non JavaSpace specific/Jini only mailing I
did not archive and others may have gotten lost over the years, still it is
approximately 1850 messages for the JavaSpaces info with some generic Jini
bleed over.
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Elijah Menifee<el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> True it did not capture CSS based style from the wiki but it did capture the
> information hierarchy with basic table layouts and header levels,
A parser to import the 'content' will have a hard time to figure out
what belongs to a menu, footer or sidebar. I.e. only the 'editable'
bit should be extracted/exported "somehow", so one can create a script
to translate one Wiki format to another.
No, I am not at all concerned about the CSS or L&F, on the contrary...
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Elijah Menifee <el...@gmail.com>.
I am sure there could be an automated conversion, at the time there was more
concern that Jini.org would disappear and the simplest answer was to
manually (brute force as you describe it) reenter the information on the new
wiki. I did not know how to go about obtaining a backup besides the wget
method, so I started plodding along, finding a way to contribute, even if it
was not the most productive use of my time.
If you could get me some information on the database platform, and a copy of
the backup sql/dbfiles I can look into writing a perl script that would at a
minimum find a way of converting the MediaWiki src files into MoinMoin src,
for manual pasting. And with luck and more effort could possibly use the
LWP module to automate the posting of edits, including wiki edit history,
assuming that is stored the database backup you obtained.
The jini.org site is large enough for it to be worthwhile to look into
writing such a script, if the site was smaller, it might make since to
continue to plod along with the brute force manual approach I started. If a
conversion utility ends up being out of the question, it is still small
enough, that I would be willing to continue my manual method for the
Specs,Docs,FAQs...
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Jeff Ramsdale <je...@gmail.com>wrote:
> I've got a backup of the content directly from the db. I think there must
> be
> an automated conversion that would be easier than a brute force method.
> -jeff
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Elijah Menifee <elijahcmenifee@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > True it did not capture CSS based style from the wiki but it did capture
> > the
> > information hierarchy with basic table layouts and header levels, since
> the
> > MoinMoin wiki already looks different, and I am most concerned with
> getting
> > the Specification and Important documentation ported for now, I do not
> see
> > it as too large of a problem. It is a wiki and I have no problem with
> (and
> > would perfer) someone who is more familiar with MoinMoin and a better
> sense
> > of aesthetics cleaning up/beautifying the information after I have done
> the
> > grunt work of getting the basic documentation in place and linked
> together.
> > Of course the option is still open to change Wiki's, maintain the funding
> > on
> > Jini.org, and or find an automated way of porting the MediaWiki. I was
> > primarily concerned with the potential loss of the knowledge and
> > documentation.
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Elijah Menifee<
> elijahcmenifee@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Not sure what you mean by context insensitive fashion...,
> > >
> > > I mean; can't easily distinguish between content and style.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > --
> > > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
> > >
> > > I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> > > I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> > > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> > >
> >
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@gmail.com>.
I've got a backup of the content directly from the db. I think there must be
an automated conversion that would be easier than a brute force method.
-jeff
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Elijah Menifee <el...@gmail.com>wrote:
> True it did not capture CSS based style from the wiki but it did capture
> the
> information hierarchy with basic table layouts and header levels, since the
> MoinMoin wiki already looks different, and I am most concerned with getting
> the Specification and Important documentation ported for now, I do not see
> it as too large of a problem. It is a wiki and I have no problem with (and
> would perfer) someone who is more familiar with MoinMoin and a better sense
> of aesthetics cleaning up/beautifying the information after I have done the
> grunt work of getting the basic documentation in place and linked together.
> Of course the option is still open to change Wiki's, maintain the funding
> on
> Jini.org, and or find an automated way of porting the MediaWiki. I was
> primarily concerned with the potential loss of the knowledge and
> documentation.
>
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Elijah Menifee<el...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Not sure what you mean by context insensitive fashion...,
> >
> > I mean; can't easily distinguish between content and style.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
> >
> > I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> > I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> > I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> >
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Elijah Menifee <el...@gmail.com>.
True it did not capture CSS based style from the wiki but it did capture the
information hierarchy with basic table layouts and header levels, since the
MoinMoin wiki already looks different, and I am most concerned with getting
the Specification and Important documentation ported for now, I do not see
it as too large of a problem. It is a wiki and I have no problem with (and
would perfer) someone who is more familiar with MoinMoin and a better sense
of aesthetics cleaning up/beautifying the information after I have done the
grunt work of getting the basic documentation in place and linked together.
Of course the option is still open to change Wiki's, maintain the funding on
Jini.org, and or find an automated way of porting the MediaWiki. I was
primarily concerned with the potential loss of the knowledge and
documentation.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Elijah Menifee<el...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Not sure what you mean by context insensitive fashion...,
>
> I mean; can't easily distinguish between content and style.
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>
> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 7:39 AM, Elijah Menifee<el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure what you mean by context insensitive fashion...,
I mean; can't easily distinguish between content and style.
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Elijah Menifee <el...@gmail.com>.
Not sure what you mean by context insensitive fashion...,
It grabs a basic mirror of all the site HTML and converts the links for
local viewing, to relative dir links for any files it downloaded, and files
not downloaded replaces with absolute hrefs using hostname/path.
Some things were not grabbed due to robots.txt or anything that required
server side extensions to render/process, but it does grab a static version
of the information that was on the wiki.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:17 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Elijah Menifee<el...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I
> have a
> > mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode), however I
> am
> > unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting this
> > archive on the Apache infrastructure.
>
> Doesn't that pull the HTML? In a context insensitive fashion?
>
> > The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with
> MoinMoin,
> > the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
> > available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src to
> > river.
>
> MoinMoin is not the only choice. Confluence and JSPWiki are also deployed
> IIRC.
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>
> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:06 AM, Elijah Menifee<el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I have a
> mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode), however I am
> unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting this
> archive on the Apache infrastructure.
Doesn't that pull the HTML? In a context insensitive fashion?
> The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with MoinMoin,
> the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
> available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src to
> river.
MoinMoin is not the only choice. Confluence and JSPWiki are also deployed IIRC.
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
Re: Web hosting of Jini.org was:Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@gmail.com>.
Probably not. It's harder to come by Java hosting and it's generally more
expensive. I've also dabbled in Liferay administration and wouldn't want to
commit to that. Liferay's wiki is also not as powerful as MediaWiki's,
though I found it passable.
-jeff
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Luis Arce <ma...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I have other idea, is possible to change the wiki for a Liferay by example?
>
> Best regards,
> Luis Arce
>
> > Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:01:53 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Web hosting of Jini.org was:Re: Jini.org and mailing list
> > From: jeff.ramsdale@gmail.com
> > To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > I have one other suggestion to offer before we make a move. The current
> > jini.org site is a MediaWiki site. Sourceforge now provides MediaWiki to
> > projects hosted there (
> > http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Hosted%20Apps). Would
> it
> > make sense to move to Sourceforge (including old starter kit downloads)
> and
> > point jini.org there? One advantage is that the sf folks manage the app,
> > which would hopefully reduce some of the spam problems we've had. Since
> this
> > wouldn't be a standard open source project with code releases (since
> these
> > are handled by Apache River) I'm not certain if it makes sense nor if it
> > would be acceptable to sf, but I thought it was worth asking...
> > -jeff
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Peter Firmstone <ji...@zeus.net.au>
> wrote:
> >
> > > We've had enough volunteers willing to pay for web hosting of jini.org
> ,
> > > all we need now, is info from Jim Hurley on how to make a contribution.
> > >
> > > Jim?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Peter.
> > >
> > >
> > > Elijah Menifee wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I
> > >> have a
> > >> mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode),
> however I
> > >> am
> > >> unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting
> this
> > >> archive on the Apache infrastructure.
> > >>
> > >> The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with
> > >> MoinMoin,
> > >> the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
> > >> available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src
> to
> > >> river. So I am currently manually formatting by pasting the text and
> > >> adding
> > >> MoinMoin specific markup indicators.
> > >>
> > >> The upside is I am making progress (slow but steady) in getting the
> Jini
> > >> Spec documents on the river site (plan on doing FAQ/HowTo/Tutorial
> > >> information after I get all the specs in place)
> > >>
> > >> The downsides are as follows:
> > >> 1. Not very familiar with Wiki's in general so there may be MoinMoin
> > >> markup
> > >> features I am not using, or categorized pages appropriately...
> > >> 2. Not sure how to get images to the Apache site, so currently I am
> in
> > >> lining the images with links to the jini.org site, which means if the
> > >> hosting for jini.org goes down the images will be broken ( the
> robots.txt
> > >> on
> > >> jini.org excluded the /images/ however some of the spec images appear
> to
> > >> be
> > >> availeble out of the /files/... hiearchy so I do have a local copy of
> some
> > >> of the images)
> > >> 3. formatting is different, and there is a chance for typos, so
> someone
> > >> more familiar with jini may want to take a cursory glance after I have
> > >> done
> > >> the initial grunt work of the port.
> > >> 4. Not sure how MoinMoin handles page protection, so the specs are
> > >> currently open for anyone to edit/spam/destroy. The original spec
> pages
> > >> on
> > >> the jini.org are protected...
> > >>
> > >> If anyone has any better ideas for getting the most important
> information
> > >> on
> > >> to the River wiki, I am open to suggestions, however until then I will
> > >> continue to manually port the info as time allows.
> > >>
> > >> Until the porting work is done (...still open to suggestions on a
> better
> > >> method than manual document editing...), and we get the images local,
> we
> > >> need the hosting of jini.org to remain.
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Peter Firmstone<ji...@zeus.net.au>
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> Because?
> > >>> If you move the content to Apache infrastructure, and get Sun/Oracle
> > >>> to point the DNS accordingly, then there should only be the domain
> > >>> registrar fee...
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers
> > >>> --
> > >>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > >>> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
> > >>>
> > >>> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> > >>> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> > >>> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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RE: Web hosting of Jini.org was:Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Luis Arce <ma...@hotmail.com>.
Hi all,
I have other idea, is possible to change the wiki for a Liferay by example?
Best regards,
Luis Arce
> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 20:01:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: Web hosting of Jini.org was:Re: Jini.org and mailing list
> From: jeff.ramsdale@gmail.com
> To: river-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> I have one other suggestion to offer before we make a move. The current
> jini.org site is a MediaWiki site. Sourceforge now provides MediaWiki to
> projects hosted there (
> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Hosted%20Apps). Would it
> make sense to move to Sourceforge (including old starter kit downloads) and
> point jini.org there? One advantage is that the sf folks manage the app,
> which would hopefully reduce some of the spam problems we've had. Since this
> wouldn't be a standard open source project with code releases (since these
> are handled by Apache River) I'm not certain if it makes sense nor if it
> would be acceptable to sf, but I thought it was worth asking...
> -jeff
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Peter Firmstone <ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
>
> > We've had enough volunteers willing to pay for web hosting of jini.org,
> > all we need now, is info from Jim Hurley on how to make a contribution.
> >
> > Jim?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Peter.
> >
> >
> > Elijah Menifee wrote:
> >
> >> I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I
> >> have a
> >> mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode), however I
> >> am
> >> unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting this
> >> archive on the Apache infrastructure.
> >>
> >> The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with
> >> MoinMoin,
> >> the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
> >> available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src to
> >> river. So I am currently manually formatting by pasting the text and
> >> adding
> >> MoinMoin specific markup indicators.
> >>
> >> The upside is I am making progress (slow but steady) in getting the Jini
> >> Spec documents on the river site (plan on doing FAQ/HowTo/Tutorial
> >> information after I get all the specs in place)
> >>
> >> The downsides are as follows:
> >> 1. Not very familiar with Wiki's in general so there may be MoinMoin
> >> markup
> >> features I am not using, or categorized pages appropriately...
> >> 2. Not sure how to get images to the Apache site, so currently I am in
> >> lining the images with links to the jini.org site, which means if the
> >> hosting for jini.org goes down the images will be broken ( the robots.txt
> >> on
> >> jini.org excluded the /images/ however some of the spec images appear to
> >> be
> >> availeble out of the /files/... hiearchy so I do have a local copy of some
> >> of the images)
> >> 3. formatting is different, and there is a chance for typos, so someone
> >> more familiar with jini may want to take a cursory glance after I have
> >> done
> >> the initial grunt work of the port.
> >> 4. Not sure how MoinMoin handles page protection, so the specs are
> >> currently open for anyone to edit/spam/destroy. The original spec pages
> >> on
> >> the jini.org are protected...
> >>
> >> If anyone has any better ideas for getting the most important information
> >> on
> >> to the River wiki, I am open to suggestions, however until then I will
> >> continue to manually port the info as time allows.
> >>
> >> Until the porting work is done (...still open to suggestions on a better
> >> method than manual document editing...), and we get the images local, we
> >> need the hosting of jini.org to remain.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Peter Firmstone<ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> Because?
> >>> If you move the content to Apache infrastructure, and get Sun/Oracle
> >>> to point the DNS accordingly, then there should only be the domain
> >>> registrar fee...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> --
> >>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >>> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
> >>>
> >>> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> >>> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> >>> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: Web hosting of Jini.org was:Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Jeff Ramsdale <je...@gmail.com>.
I have one other suggestion to offer before we make a move. The current
jini.org site is a MediaWiki site. Sourceforge now provides MediaWiki to
projects hosted there (
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Hosted%20Apps). Would it
make sense to move to Sourceforge (including old starter kit downloads) and
point jini.org there? One advantage is that the sf folks manage the app,
which would hopefully reduce some of the spam problems we've had. Since this
wouldn't be a standard open source project with code releases (since these
are handled by Apache River) I'm not certain if it makes sense nor if it
would be acceptable to sf, but I thought it was worth asking...
-jeff
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Peter Firmstone <ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
> We've had enough volunteers willing to pay for web hosting of jini.org,
> all we need now, is info from Jim Hurley on how to make a contribution.
>
> Jim?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter.
>
>
> Elijah Menifee wrote:
>
>> I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I
>> have a
>> mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode), however I
>> am
>> unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting this
>> archive on the Apache infrastructure.
>>
>> The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with
>> MoinMoin,
>> the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
>> available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src to
>> river. So I am currently manually formatting by pasting the text and
>> adding
>> MoinMoin specific markup indicators.
>>
>> The upside is I am making progress (slow but steady) in getting the Jini
>> Spec documents on the river site (plan on doing FAQ/HowTo/Tutorial
>> information after I get all the specs in place)
>>
>> The downsides are as follows:
>> 1. Not very familiar with Wiki's in general so there may be MoinMoin
>> markup
>> features I am not using, or categorized pages appropriately...
>> 2. Not sure how to get images to the Apache site, so currently I am in
>> lining the images with links to the jini.org site, which means if the
>> hosting for jini.org goes down the images will be broken ( the robots.txt
>> on
>> jini.org excluded the /images/ however some of the spec images appear to
>> be
>> availeble out of the /files/... hiearchy so I do have a local copy of some
>> of the images)
>> 3. formatting is different, and there is a chance for typos, so someone
>> more familiar with jini may want to take a cursory glance after I have
>> done
>> the initial grunt work of the port.
>> 4. Not sure how MoinMoin handles page protection, so the specs are
>> currently open for anyone to edit/spam/destroy. The original spec pages
>> on
>> the jini.org are protected...
>>
>> If anyone has any better ideas for getting the most important information
>> on
>> to the River wiki, I am open to suggestions, however until then I will
>> continue to manually port the info as time allows.
>>
>> Until the porting work is done (...still open to suggestions on a better
>> method than manual document editing...), and we get the images local, we
>> need the hosting of jini.org to remain.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Peter Firmstone<ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Because?
>>> If you move the content to Apache infrastructure, and get Sun/Oracle
>>> to point the DNS accordingly, then there should only be the domain
>>> registrar fee...
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> --
>>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>>> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>>>
>>> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
>>> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
>>> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Web hosting of Jini.org was:Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Peter Firmstone <ji...@zeus.net.au>.
We've had enough volunteers willing to pay for web hosting of jini.org,
all we need now, is info from Jim Hurley on how to make a contribution.
Jim?
Cheers,
Peter.
Elijah Menifee wrote:
> I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I have a
> mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode), however I am
> unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting this
> archive on the Apache infrastructure.
>
> The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with MoinMoin,
> the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
> available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src to
> river. So I am currently manually formatting by pasting the text and adding
> MoinMoin specific markup indicators.
>
> The upside is I am making progress (slow but steady) in getting the Jini
> Spec documents on the river site (plan on doing FAQ/HowTo/Tutorial
> information after I get all the specs in place)
>
> The downsides are as follows:
> 1. Not very familiar with Wiki's in general so there may be MoinMoin markup
> features I am not using, or categorized pages appropriately...
> 2. Not sure how to get images to the Apache site, so currently I am in
> lining the images with links to the jini.org site, which means if the
> hosting for jini.org goes down the images will be broken ( the robots.txt on
> jini.org excluded the /images/ however some of the spec images appear to be
> availeble out of the /files/... hiearchy so I do have a local copy of some
> of the images)
> 3. formatting is different, and there is a chance for typos, so someone
> more familiar with jini may want to take a cursory glance after I have done
> the initial grunt work of the port.
> 4. Not sure how MoinMoin handles page protection, so the specs are
> currently open for anyone to edit/spam/destroy. The original spec pages on
> the jini.org are protected...
>
> If anyone has any better ideas for getting the most important information on
> to the River wiki, I am open to suggestions, however until then I will
> continue to manually port the info as time allows.
>
> Until the porting work is done (...still open to suggestions on a better
> method than manual document editing...), and we get the images local, we
> need the hosting of jini.org to remain.
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
>
>
>> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Peter Firmstone<ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
>>>
>> Because?
>> If you move the content to Apache infrastructure, and get Sun/Oracle
>> to point the DNS accordingly, then there should only be the domain
>> registrar fee...
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> --
>> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
>> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>>
>> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
>> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
>> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>>
>>
>
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Elijah Menifee <el...@gmail.com>.
I have run a 'wget -o obtainjiniorg.log -w 5 -m -k www.jini.org' so I have a
mostly working local copy of the information(in non-wiki mode), however I am
unsure if there are any utilities or methods for converting/hosting this
archive on the Apache infrastructure.
The jini.org uses MediaWiki where as the River site is set up with MoinMoin,
the mark-up source format for these appears is different along with
available macros and I had no luck just pasting the the jini.org src to
river. So I am currently manually formatting by pasting the text and adding
MoinMoin specific markup indicators.
The upside is I am making progress (slow but steady) in getting the Jini
Spec documents on the river site (plan on doing FAQ/HowTo/Tutorial
information after I get all the specs in place)
The downsides are as follows:
1. Not very familiar with Wiki's in general so there may be MoinMoin markup
features I am not using, or categorized pages appropriately...
2. Not sure how to get images to the Apache site, so currently I am in
lining the images with links to the jini.org site, which means if the
hosting for jini.org goes down the images will be broken ( the robots.txt on
jini.org excluded the /images/ however some of the spec images appear to be
availeble out of the /files/... hiearchy so I do have a local copy of some
of the images)
3. formatting is different, and there is a chance for typos, so someone
more familiar with jini may want to take a cursory glance after I have done
the initial grunt work of the port.
4. Not sure how MoinMoin handles page protection, so the specs are
currently open for anyone to edit/spam/destroy. The original spec pages on
the jini.org are protected...
If anyone has any better ideas for getting the most important information on
to the River wiki, I am open to suggestions, however until then I will
continue to manually port the info as time allows.
Until the porting work is done (...still open to suggestions on a better
method than manual document editing...), and we get the images local, we
need the hosting of jini.org to remain.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:35 AM, Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Peter Firmstone<ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
> > There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
>
> Because?
> If you move the content to Apache infrastructure, and get Sun/Oracle
> to point the DNS accordingly, then there should only be the domain
> registrar fee...
>
>
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
>
> I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
> I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
> I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Peter Firmstone<ji...@zeus.net.au> wrote:
> There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
Because?
If you move the content to Apache infrastructure, and get Sun/Oracle
to point the DNS accordingly, then there should only be the domain
registrar fee...
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Peter Firmstone <ji...@zeus.net.au>.
There still web hosting of the jini.org site to pay for.
Cheers,
Peter.
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Jim Waldo<Ji...@sun.com> wrote:
>
>> An update on the jini.org domain name... I've been able to track some things
>> inside of Sun, and found that the registration for the name will be renewed
>> by Sun. What will happen the next time the registration expires will be up
>> to the new owners, but for now the domain name will remain registered...
>>
>
> In which case the 'redirect' is the only thing needed.
>
> Is it possible to export the content currently at jini.org into some
> format that can be processed for deployment on Apache infrastructure?
>
> Cheers
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Niclas Hedhman <ni...@hedhman.org>.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Jim Waldo<Ji...@sun.com> wrote:
> An update on the jini.org domain name... I've been able to track some things
> inside of Sun, and found that the registration for the name will be renewed
> by Sun. What will happen the next time the registration expires will be up
> to the new owners, but for now the domain name will remain registered...
In which case the 'redirect' is the only thing needed.
Is it possible to export the content currently at jini.org into some
format that can be processed for deployment on Apache infrastructure?
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java
I live here; http://tinyurl.com/2qq9er
I work here; http://tinyurl.com/2ymelc
I relax here; http://tinyurl.com/2cgsug
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Jim Waldo <Ji...@sun.com>.
An update on the jini.org domain name... I've been able to track some
things inside of Sun, and found that the registration for the name
will be renewed by Sun. What will happen the next time the
registration expires will be up to the new owners, but for now the
domain name will remain registered...
Jim Waldo
On Jul 1, 2009, at 9:14 PM, Peter Firmstone wrote:
> Thanks & Welcome Elijah,
>
> Great to have someone willing to jump in and assist.
>
> Jim Waldo very graciously went to the trouble of obtaining and
> recently uploading the email list archives to JIRA- https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-311
>
> I think we should maintain, preserve and fund via volunteer
> contribution jini.org for now, move relevant information to the
> Apache River site and eventually archive the existing jini.org site
> and redirect the domain name to Apache River. (Keeping jini.org
> registered)
>
> I'm just waiting for the paypal (or equivalent) account to make the
> contribution to.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter.
>
>
> Elijah Menifee wrote:
>> Just as I was getting the itch to look into JavaSpaces/Jini again
>> as a
>> possible technology to use for a possible redesign( at least a
>> proof of
>> concept) of my company's internal software, the announcement went
>> out that
>> the JavaSpaces-Users and Jini-Users mailing list were coming to an
>> end.
>>
>> SO, I started looking into the River project, and have found the
>> recent
>> river-dev mail list archives, As far as I can tell still no
>> decision has
>> actually been made about what to do about jini.org, should it remain
>> distinct from the River project, is it going to stay funded, should
>> all the
>> data be ported with a redirect? I believe I came across the
>> deadline of
>> July 8....
>>
>> If my company was not a month behind in payroll, I would offer to
>> at least
>> contribute via PayPal to fund the current site or domain name
>> registration.
>> However since I am currently in a bind financial I figured I could
>> at least
>> contribute some evenings and weekend work (Currently no other plans
>> for July
>> 4th). Just in case no community decision is made I am planning to
>> start
>> manually adding what I think could be relavent from the Jini.org
>> site to the
>> Apache River wiki. The down-side however, is that I have not actively
>> followed the jini project in quite some time, SO I do not know for
>> sure what
>> might be the most important information or what information is out
>> of date
>> or irrelevant to the River project(I understand Jini is at 2.1, the
>> last
>> version I worked with was 1.2.1) In a way this will give me a
>> chance to
>> re-familiarize myself with what I think IS a great redundant
>> distributed
>> platform.
>>
>> Also there is some talk that we may manage to get the archive lists
>> released
>> and stored on the River site, If the current plan falls through I
>> have a
>> large portion of the JAVASPACES-USERS since DEC 2002 in my IMAP
>> Maildir
>> folder. If needed I am confident I can browse through the list to
>> make sure
>> no irrelevant e-mails got save to that Maildir, and double check to
>> see if
>> any other messages got saved somewhere else. It would at least be
>> a partial
>> archive since there was a lot of non JavaSpace specific/Jini only
>> mailing I
>> did not archive and others may have gotten lost over the years,
>> still it is
>> approximately 1850 messages for the JavaSpaces info with some
>> generic Jini
>> bleed over.
>>
>>
>
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Patrick Wright <pd...@gmail.com>.
> Jim Waldo very graciously went to the trouble of obtaining and recently
> uploading the email list archives to JIRA-
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-311
I'm taking a look today at trying to convert these (or a portion, at
first) to Mailman mbox format. If that works, MarkMail.org has said
they would be willing to host the archives (Nabble would be an
alternative) if we can provide them in mbox format. I've never done
the conversion before, and am not familiar with Mailman--so this will
take a little time (docs on the conversion are scarce, actually). I'll
ping the list as I make (or fail to make) progress.
Patrick
Re: Jini.org and mailing list
Posted by Peter Firmstone <ji...@zeus.net.au>.
Thanks & Welcome Elijah,
Great to have someone willing to jump in and assist.
Jim Waldo very graciously went to the trouble of obtaining and recently
uploading the email list archives to JIRA-
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/RIVER-311
I think we should maintain, preserve and fund via volunteer contribution
jini.org for now, move relevant information to the Apache River site and
eventually archive the existing jini.org site and redirect the domain
name to Apache River. (Keeping jini.org registered)
I'm just waiting for the paypal (or equivalent) account to make the
contribution to.
Cheers,
Peter.
Elijah Menifee wrote:
> Just as I was getting the itch to look into JavaSpaces/Jini again as a
> possible technology to use for a possible redesign( at least a proof of
> concept) of my company's internal software, the announcement went out that
> the JavaSpaces-Users and Jini-Users mailing list were coming to an end.
>
> SO, I started looking into the River project, and have found the recent
> river-dev mail list archives, As far as I can tell still no decision has
> actually been made about what to do about jini.org, should it remain
> distinct from the River project, is it going to stay funded, should all the
> data be ported with a redirect? I believe I came across the deadline of
> July 8....
>
> If my company was not a month behind in payroll, I would offer to at least
> contribute via PayPal to fund the current site or domain name registration.
> However since I am currently in a bind financial I figured I could at least
> contribute some evenings and weekend work (Currently no other plans for July
> 4th). Just in case no community decision is made I am planning to start
> manually adding what I think could be relavent from the Jini.org site to the
> Apache River wiki. The down-side however, is that I have not actively
> followed the jini project in quite some time, SO I do not know for sure what
> might be the most important information or what information is out of date
> or irrelevant to the River project(I understand Jini is at 2.1, the last
> version I worked with was 1.2.1) In a way this will give me a chance to
> re-familiarize myself with what I think IS a great redundant distributed
> platform.
>
> Also there is some talk that we may manage to get the archive lists released
> and stored on the River site, If the current plan falls through I have a
> large portion of the JAVASPACES-USERS since DEC 2002 in my IMAP Maildir
> folder. If needed I am confident I can browse through the list to make sure
> no irrelevant e-mails got save to that Maildir, and double check to see if
> any other messages got saved somewhere else. It would at least be a partial
> archive since there was a lot of non JavaSpace specific/Jini only mailing I
> did not archive and others may have gotten lost over the years, still it is
> approximately 1850 messages for the JavaSpaces info with some generic Jini
> bleed over.
>
>