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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Daniel Henrique Alves Lima <em...@yahoo.com.br> on 2004/03/07 21:33:11 UTC
[Suggestion] struts-user-newbie list
It sounds good to me !
Andrew Petro wrote:
>Incidentally, have there been any thoughts on this list of differentiating
>out a struts-user-newbie list from the main struts-user list?
>
>I think it's wonderful to have a welcoming place for newbies to post
>questions, but I think it might also be useful to be able to differentiate
>opportunities to help out newbies / be helped as a newbie from
>opportunities to ask more difficult questions / discuss more advanced
>features of the framework.
>
>My two cents.
>
>
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Re: [Suggestion] struts-user-newbie list
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
Quoting Daniel Henrique Alves Lima <em...@yahoo.com.br>:
> It sounds good to me !
>
> Andrew Petro wrote:
>
> >Incidentally, have there been any thoughts on this list of differentiating
> >out a struts-user-newbie list from the main struts-user list?
> >
> >I think it's wonderful to have a welcoming place for newbies to post
> >questions, but I think it might also be useful to be able to differentiate
> >opportunities to help out newbies / be helped as a newbie from
> >opportunities to ask more difficult questions / discuss more advanced
> >features of the framework.
> >
> >My two cents.
> >
> >
>
My experience with other communities that have tried this sort of thing is that
it tends not to work out very well. The key problem is that the users just
after the newbie stage don't know which list to ask those "sort of beginner"
questions on. So, I would vote against this suggestion.
More importantly, though, having a single list is better for a few compelling
reasons as well:
* As we've seen over and over again, even long time users
who are intermediate to expert in some aspects of Struts
can learn something from a newbie question from someone
else about a different aspect.
* Even if you are a newbie today, you won't be tomorrow.
Having all the answers to all the questions means that
you only have to search a single message archive later.
If you find the message volume on STRUTS-USER overwhelming, here are some hints
to reduce the burden:
* Use a mail reader that you can configure to automatically
filter messages into folders. I've got my mail reader set
up to do this for the 20 or so lists I subscribe to -- each
goes in to a separate folder, and I deal with all the new
messages for a particular folder at once.
* Use a mail reader that lets you sort messages by threads.
That way, you can just skip the conversations you are not
interested in.
* For some folks who just want to browse, subscribing in "digest"
mode (one message per day, containing all the new traffic)
works best.
* If you are not sitting behind a firewall that prevents it,
many mailing lists are also visible through newsgroup gateways.
One such example is gmane.org, which mirrors quite a few
Apache and Jakarta mailing lists (among others).
Craig McClanahan
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Re: internationalizing html:option tag, force to lookup resource file
Posted by Niall Pemberton <ni...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
The <html:option> tag already has this facility - you can specify a "key"
attribute.
If however you want yo use the <html:optionsCollection> tag, there was an
identical discussion on this list recently. You can find the start of that
thread here..
http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/msg93939.html
Niall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Hyland" <kh...@aol.com>
To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: internationalizing html:option tag, force to lookup resource file
> Hi,
>
> Sorry if this is a repeat post, but I don't think the original went
through.
>
> I'm just starting into looking at struts.
>
> Is it possible to generate a select/ options list using the html:select
> and html:option(s) tags, where the labelProperties (i.e. the text
> displayed on the end users web browser) get looked up from a resource
> file, instead of been displayed directly.
>
> e.g.
>
> if we have a collection bean made up of 3 namevalue pairs {(1,one),
> (2,two), (3,three)}
>
> <html:select property="partnerId">
> <html:options collection="list.bean" property="name"
> labelProperty="value"/>
> </html:select>
>
> produces
>
> <select>
> <option value="1">one</option>
> <option value="2">two</option>
> <option value="3">three</option>
> </select>
>
> This produces a select box with the English values appearing on the web
> page regardless of the locale that is set.
>
> What I want is for the one, two and three to be keys into the
> applicationResources.properties so that different locales can be setup.
>
> If this is not available would it be useful to write a tag to do this?
>
> Cheers,
> Keith
>
>
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internationalizing html:option tag, force to lookup resource file
Posted by Keith Hyland <kh...@aol.com>.
Hi,
Sorry if this is a repeat post, but I don't think the original went through.
I'm just starting into looking at struts.
Is it possible to generate a select/ options list using the html:select
and html:option(s) tags, where the labelProperties (i.e. the text
displayed on the end users web browser) get looked up from a resource
file, instead of been displayed directly.
e.g.
if we have a collection bean made up of 3 namevalue pairs {(1,one),
(2,two), (3,three)}
<html:select property="partnerId">
<html:options collection="list.bean" property="name"
labelProperty="value"/>
</html:select>
produces
<select>
<option value="1">one</option>
<option value="2">two</option>
<option value="3">three</option>
</select>
This produces a select box with the English values appearing on the web
page regardless of the locale that is set.
What I want is for the one, two and three to be keys into the
applicationResources.properties so that different locales can be setup.
If this is not available would it be useful to write a tag to do this?
Cheers,
Keith
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RE: [Suggestion] struts-user-newbie list
Posted by "Daniel H. F. e Silva" <dh...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Andrew,
Good point.
Freedom of choice is very appreciated and is one the axioms of open-source community ;-)
By the way, I'd like to invite all newbies and even Struts gurus to join us at #struts_users IRC
channel at irc.darkmyst.org. There you can get help and meet some of the coolest guys in Struts
world (myself included ;-)). You can, at least, have fun there!
Cheers,
Daniel Silva.
--- Andrew Petro <An...@yale.edu> wrote:
>
> My hope was that differentiating the lists Struts might make the email load
> more tractable for everyone.
>
> Struts gurus might very well look at a new list for newbies and choose not
> to subscribe. I don't see this as a problem. Struts gurus helping newbies
> is a wonderful thing, but we're all volunteers here and if the gurus would
> prefer not to be on the newbie list, they should be empowered to make that
> decision.
>
> It is true that differentiating the lists might lower the threshold for
> newbie effort prior to newbie posts. However, the existing infrastructure
> for encouraging everyone to think, read, Google, etc. before posting would
> still be in place and could apply equally to the struts-user-newbies list.
>
> However, separating out a newbies list would allow newbies to helped by
> those Struts gurus who are most generous, patient, or have whatever other
> attributes that make them want to help newbies, while not annoying other
> Struts subscribers who are less interested in this. This accommodation
> might help to preserve the friendly and supportive character of the list for
> newbies even as Struts continues to grow.
>
> What I think differentiating the lists would do is empower subscribers to
> separate out the two streams and manage them independently. It feels to me
> like there really are two simultaneous streams of messages on this list.
>
> When things get crazy at work I could choose to fail to keep up with the
> struts-user-newbie list and delete the messages unread without feeling that
> I was risking something I'd need to know. Or, for that matter, when things
> get crazy at work I could choose to come home and see if there's someone to
> be helped out on the struts-user-newbie list, letting the more demanding
> struts-user material go until things settle down again. I don't know for
> sure how people would use the ability to differentiate, but I think volume
> on the list is sufficient that it would be worth giving subscribers this
> ability.
>
> > My point is: will Struts gurus that participate this list subscribe to
> > one more list? I think
> > they are too busy for increasing their email load a bit more.
> > Newbies could get a better help if, before posting to this list, they
> > did homework: i mean, read
> > Struts docs, Google, etc. I'm not sure about this number, it is just a
> > guessing, but based on my
> > experience in this list, 95% of the questions are already answered. You
> > just have to find that
> > answer, and that is what Google is for.
> >
> > My two cents.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Daniel Silva.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Daniel Henrique Alves Lima <em...@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> > > It sounds good to me !
> > >
> > > Andrew Petro wrote:
> > >
> > > >Incidentally, have there been any thoughts on this list of
> > differentiating
> > > >out a struts-user-newbie list from the main struts-user list?
> > > >
> > > >I think it's wonderful to have a welcoming place for newbies to post
> > > >questions, but I think it might also be useful to be able to
> > differentiate
> > > >opportunities to help out newbies / be helped as a newbie from
> > > >opportunities to ask more difficult questions / discuss more advanced
> > > >features of the framework.
> > > >
> > > >My two cents.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: [Suggestion] struts-user-newbie list
Posted by Andrew Petro <An...@yale.edu>.
My hope was that differentiating the lists Struts might make the email load
more tractable for everyone.
Struts gurus might very well look at a new list for newbies and choose not
to subscribe. I don't see this as a problem. Struts gurus helping newbies
is a wonderful thing, but we're all volunteers here and if the gurus would
prefer not to be on the newbie list, they should be empowered to make that
decision.
It is true that differentiating the lists might lower the threshold for
newbie effort prior to newbie posts. However, the existing infrastructure
for encouraging everyone to think, read, Google, etc. before posting would
still be in place and could apply equally to the struts-user-newbies list.
However, separating out a newbies list would allow newbies to helped by
those Struts gurus who are most generous, patient, or have whatever other
attributes that make them want to help newbies, while not annoying other
Struts subscribers who are less interested in this. This accommodation
might help to preserve the friendly and supportive character of the list for
newbies even as Struts continues to grow.
What I think differentiating the lists would do is empower subscribers to
separate out the two streams and manage them independently. It feels to me
like there really are two simultaneous streams of messages on this list.
When things get crazy at work I could choose to fail to keep up with the
struts-user-newbie list and delete the messages unread without feeling that
I was risking something I'd need to know. Or, for that matter, when things
get crazy at work I could choose to come home and see if there's someone to
be helped out on the struts-user-newbie list, letting the more demanding
struts-user material go until things settle down again. I don't know for
sure how people would use the ability to differentiate, but I think volume
on the list is sufficient that it would be worth giving subscribers this
ability.
> My point is: will Struts gurus that participate this list subscribe to
> one more list? I think
> they are too busy for increasing their email load a bit more.
> Newbies could get a better help if, before posting to this list, they
> did homework: i mean, read
> Struts docs, Google, etc. I'm not sure about this number, it is just a
> guessing, but based on my
> experience in this list, 95% of the questions are already answered. You
> just have to find that
> answer, and that is what Google is for.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel Silva.
>
>
>
> --- Daniel Henrique Alves Lima <em...@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> > It sounds good to me !
> >
> > Andrew Petro wrote:
> >
> > >Incidentally, have there been any thoughts on this list of
> differentiating
> > >out a struts-user-newbie list from the main struts-user list?
> > >
> > >I think it's wonderful to have a welcoming place for newbies to post
> > >questions, but I think it might also be useful to be able to
> differentiate
> > >opportunities to help out newbies / be helped as a newbie from
> > >opportunities to ask more difficult questions / discuss more advanced
> > >features of the framework.
> > >
> > >My two cents.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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Re: [Suggestion] struts-user-newbie list
Posted by "Daniel H. F. e Silva" <dh...@yahoo.com>.
Hi,
My point is: will Struts gurus that participate this list subscribe to one more list? I think
they are too busy for increasing their email load a bit more.
Newbies could get a better help if, before posting to this list, they did homework: i mean, read
Struts docs, Google, etc. I'm not sure about this number, it is just a guessing, but based on my
experience in this list, 95% of the questions are already answered. You just have to find that
answer, and that is what Google is for.
My two cents.
Cheers,
Daniel Silva.
--- Daniel Henrique Alves Lima <em...@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> It sounds good to me !
>
> Andrew Petro wrote:
>
> >Incidentally, have there been any thoughts on this list of differentiating
> >out a struts-user-newbie list from the main struts-user list?
> >
> >I think it's wonderful to have a welcoming place for newbies to post
> >questions, but I think it might also be useful to be able to differentiate
> >opportunities to help out newbies / be helped as a newbie from
> >opportunities to ask more difficult questions / discuss more advanced
> >features of the framework.
> >
> >My two cents.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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