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Posted to dev@shiro.apache.org by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> on 2010/08/04 19:23:22 UTC
[DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution here:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
Please review and comment.
Thanks!
Les
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Yes, it does sound quite 'formal' :) I just copied Apache Cayenne's
graduation resolution (as recommended by the Incubator graduation
process page) and changed the necessary bits to match our project.
And thanks for the words of encouragement! Hopefully we can wrap up
graduation soon...
Cheers,
Les
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>
>> Please review and comment.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> As usual with this kind of proclamation it sounds haughty but... it's
> nice to hear about the graduation of the Shiro project! Keep go on!
>
> Cheers
> --
> Massimo
> http://meridio.blogspot.com
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Massimo Lusetti <ml...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:23 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>
> Please review and comment.
>
> Thanks!
As usual with this kind of proclamation it sounds haughty but... it's
nice to hear about the graduation of the Shiro project! Keep go on!
Cheers
--
Massimo
http://meridio.blogspot.com
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> My understanding is that since we use the wiki to generate the website people must be in asf-cla. This does not, however, preclude us from setting up a separate wiki space for people to goof around in.
>
Oh I see where the confusion is: asf-cla is the minimum, but
previously our wiki space was open to committers only.
Kalle
Re: Confluence access
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>>> pages or not.
>> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
>
> Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
> https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
My understanding is that since we use the wiki to generate the website people must be in asf-cla. This does not, however, preclude us from setting up a separate wiki space for people to goof around in.
Regards,
Alan
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Also, I have no objections to changing the theme.
Cheers,
Les
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I enabled asf-cla last night only as a measure to see if Kalle could
> log in. However, I agree that it would be good to keep this in place
> (+1). A wiki is all about community contribution. As long as they
> have a CLA on file, I'm all for anyone helping out.
>
> Les
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>>>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>>>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>>>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>>>> pages or not.
>>> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
>>
>> Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I enabled asf-cla last night only as a measure to see if Kalle could
log in. However, I agree that it would be good to keep this in place
(+1). A wiki is all about community contribution. As long as they
have a CLA on file, I'm all for anyone helping out.
Les
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>>> pages or not.
>> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
>
> Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
> https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
>
> Kalle
>
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
>> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
>> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
>> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
>> pages or not.
> Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
Yes, of course it's true. That's exactly what Gavin said and also see
https://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
Kalle
Re: Confluence access
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
> it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
> confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
> - projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
> pages or not.
Is that true? Where did you hear this from?
Regards,
Alan
Re: Confluence access
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
No, it's ok now, read the other thread. Embarrassingly enough, I think
it was mostly a user error. However, two things came up regarding our
confluence space while I was resolving this issue with Gavin:
- projects can decide themselves whether everybody in asf-cla can edit
pages or not. We don't currently allow it but I'm all for open access
and it makes it easy to start contributing. Should we allow asf-cla?
- we are using a deprecated Confluence theme and Gavin strongly
suggested changing it. "Documentantion Theme" is probably closest to
what we have now, any objections if I change it?
Kalle
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> Still "locked" out?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> Yeah, sorry - I've exhausted all of my Confluence know-how :/
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>>>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> sure I
>>>>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at
>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's
>>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Confluence access
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
Still "locked" out?
Regards,
Alan
On Aug 4, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> Yeah, sorry - I've exhausted all of my Confluence know-how :/
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm
>>>>>>>>>> sure I
>>>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry
>>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at
>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's
>>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Gavin McDonald graciously helped resolve the issue after a quick chat
on irc. Thanks Gavin!
Kalle
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
>
> Craig
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm
>>>>>>>>> sure I
>>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry
>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at
>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's
>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the
>>>>>>>>>>>> new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Yeah, sorry - I've exhausted all of my Confluence know-how :/
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
>
> Craig
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>
>> Yes.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>>> documentation.
>>>>>
>>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm
>>>>>>>>> sure I
>>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry
>>>>>>>>> pages
>>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at
>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's
>>>>>>>>> wrong,
>>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think
>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the
>>>>>>>>>>>> new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have
>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
may be time to ask infra to see what might be going wrong.
Craig
On Aug 4, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> Yes.
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood
> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood
>>> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>>> documentation.
>>>>
>>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you
>>>> should
>>>> already have the permissions.
>>>>
>>>> Does it work now?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages
>>>>>> seem ok
>>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are
>>>>>> there
>>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki.
>>>>>>>> I'm sure I
>>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the
>>>>>>>> Tapestry pages
>>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is
>>>>>>>> associated
>>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know
>>>>>>>> at least
>>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check
>>>>>>>> what's wrong,
>>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't
>>>>>>>>> think we
>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for
>>>>>>>>> Craig to
>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for
>>>>>>>>>> offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become
>>>>>>>>>>>> project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at
>>>>>>>>>>> least one
>>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC
>>>>>>>>>>> chair. Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help
>>>>>>>>>>> the new PMC
>>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll
>>>>>>>>>>> have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Yes.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>>> documentation.
>>>
>>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>>> already have the permissions.
>>>
>>> Does it work now?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
>>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
>>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
>>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
>>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
>>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC
>>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Are you logging in with 'kaosko' username and not the email address?
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
>> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
>> documentation.
>>
>> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
>> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
>> already have the permissions.
>>
>> Does it work now?
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
>>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
>>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
>>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
>>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
>>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC
>>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Logged in and out, but no difference, still can't edit. How odd.
Kalle
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
> should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
> documentation.
>
> But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
> 'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
> already have the permissions.
>
> Does it work now?
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Dunno - lemme check.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>>> any special permissions for it?
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>>
>>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
>>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
>>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
>>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
>>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I just added the 'asf-cla' group to the permissions mapping - this
should allow all confirmed CLA cwiki users to update the
documentation.
But interestingly, you were already part of the 'shiro-admin' and
'shiro-contributors' groups under the 'kaosko' username - you should
already have the permissions.
Does it work now?
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Dunno - lemme check.
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
>> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
>> any special permissions for it?
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Kalle,
>>>
>>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>
>>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
>>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
>>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
>>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
>>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC
>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Dunno - lemme check.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
> now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
> any special permissions for it?
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>> Hi Kalle,
>>
>> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>
>>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
>>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
>>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
>>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
>>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
See, we couldn't do without you! Thanks Craig, Tapestry pages seem ok
now but still can't modify anything in SHIRO space - Les, are there
any special permissions for it?
Kalle
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
> Hi Kalle,
>
> I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
>
> Craig
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>
>> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
>> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
>> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
>> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
>> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
>> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
>> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>
>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes
>>>>> the
>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC
>>>>> get
>>>>> settled.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>>>>>>> <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
Hi Kalle,
I've added you to a few confluence groups. See if this helped.
Craig
On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:27 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
> checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
> before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
> confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
> with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
> Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
> could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>
>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood
>> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering
>>> Craig!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project
>>>>> members.
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least
>>>> one Apache
>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
>>>> Sometimes the
>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new
>>>> PMC get
>>>> settled.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last
>>>>>> paragraph
>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lhazlewood@apache.org
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>>>>>> Resolution
>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
How odd, I seem to have lost the ability to edit the cwiki. I'm sure I
checked this some time ago and I've edited at least the Tapestry pages
before... or was it the other wiki after all - now I'm utterly
confused. Maybe it's because my cwiki username kaosko is associated
with this gmail account rather than kaosko@apache.org. I know at least
Craig has the karma to add me to asf-cla group or check what's wrong,
could you please (so I can add you to the resolution :) ).
Kalle
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Les, will review.
>
> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>> settled.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>
>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
Whoot!
On Aug 19, 2010, at 3:29 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> Ok we passed the incubator vote with flying colors. Les, please send
> the TLP submission to the Board's next meeting agenda, following
> instructions at
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel. I suppose
> we are not in a hurry, but it needs to done at least 72 hours hours
> before the next meeting. Enormous thanks to Craig and Alan at this
> point, your mentoring has been invaluable!
>
> There's a list of chores to do after we become a TLP but we'll cross
> that bridge when we get there. In the meantime, we can work on getting
> 1.1 ready for release right after we are official.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sounds good to me - please feel free to post.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm on a roll here - Les, I can start the IPMC recommendation vote
>>> shortly unless you specifically want to do that. I think we'll just
>>> start the vote right away and rephrase the resolution during the vote
>>> if needed (though
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel suggests
>>> posting the resolution on IPMC before the vote). Given that we already
>>> had a discussion on the resolution and it was linked to community
>>> vote, I doubt the wording in the proposed resolution is going to
>>> create any controversy.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
>>>> vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
>>>>> with suggested owners and timeline added
>>>>>
>>>>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>>>>>
>>>>> * a charter for your project - done
>>>>> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
>>>>> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
>>>>> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
>>>>> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
>>>>> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
>>>>> succeeds)
>>>>>
>>>>> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
>>>>> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
>>>>> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>>>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>>>>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>>>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>>>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>>>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>>>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>>>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Great! Thanks for tallying the vote Kalle. I'll get started on the
next steps as soon as I can. It looks like the next board meeting is
on September 15th, so we have a little wiggle room, but I'd prefer to
get this done sooner rather than later. I'll take an initial crack at
it this weekend.
Les
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok we passed the incubator vote with flying colors. Les, please send
> the TLP submission to the Board's next meeting agenda, following
> instructions at
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel. I suppose
> we are not in a hurry, but it needs to done at least 72 hours hours
> before the next meeting. Enormous thanks to Craig and Alan at this
> point, your mentoring has been invaluable!
>
> There's a list of chores to do after we become a TLP but we'll cross
> that bridge when we get there. In the meantime, we can work on getting
> 1.1 ready for release right after we are official.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sounds good to me - please feel free to post.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm on a roll here - Les, I can start the IPMC recommendation vote
>>> shortly unless you specifically want to do that. I think we'll just
>>> start the vote right away and rephrase the resolution during the vote
>>> if needed (though
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel suggests
>>> posting the resolution on IPMC before the vote). Given that we already
>>> had a discussion on the resolution and it was linked to community
>>> vote, I doubt the wording in the proposed resolution is going to
>>> create any controversy.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
>>>> vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
>>>>> with suggested owners and timeline added
>>>>>
>>>>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>>>>>
>>>>> * a charter for your project - done
>>>>> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
>>>>> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
>>>>> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
>>>>> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
>>>>> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
>>>>> succeeds)
>>>>>
>>>>> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
>>>>> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
>>>>> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>>>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>>>>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>>>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>>>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>>>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>>>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>>>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Ok we passed the incubator vote with flying colors. Les, please send
the TLP submission to the Board's next meeting agenda, following
instructions at
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel. I suppose
we are not in a hurry, but it needs to done at least 72 hours hours
before the next meeting. Enormous thanks to Craig and Alan at this
point, your mentoring has been invaluable!
There's a list of chores to do after we become a TLP but we'll cross
that bridge when we get there. In the meantime, we can work on getting
1.1 ready for release right after we are official.
Kalle
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sounds good to me - please feel free to post.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Les
>
> On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm on a roll here - Les, I can start the IPMC recommendation vote
>> shortly unless you specifically want to do that. I think we'll just
>> start the vote right away and rephrase the resolution during the vote
>> if needed (though
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel suggests
>> posting the resolution on IPMC before the vote). Given that we already
>> had a discussion on the resolution and it was linked to community
>> vote, I doubt the wording in the proposed resolution is going to
>> create any controversy.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
>>> vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
>>>> with suggested owners and timeline added
>>>>
>>>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>>>>
>>>> * a charter for your project - done
>>>> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
>>>> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
>>>> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
>>>> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
>>>> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
>>>> succeeds)
>>>>
>>>> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
>>>> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
>>>> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>>>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Sounds good to me - please feel free to post.
Thanks!
Les
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm on a roll here - Les, I can start the IPMC recommendation vote
> shortly unless you specifically want to do that. I think we'll just
> start the vote right away and rephrase the resolution during the vote
> if needed (though
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel suggests
> posting the resolution on IPMC before the vote). Given that we already
> had a discussion on the resolution and it was linked to community
> vote, I doubt the wording in the proposed resolution is going to
> create any controversy.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
>> vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
>>> with suggested owners and timeline added
>>>
>>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>>>
>>> * a charter for your project - done
>>> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
>>> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
>>> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
>>> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
>>> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
>>> succeeds)
>>>
>>> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
>>> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
>>> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Prepared the vote post, haven't sent. We are just going to miss this
month's board meeting (to be held on next Wednesday), the next is Sep
15th. I'll send the vote on Monday, it's probably a better day to
start a vote anyway.
Kalle
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm on a roll here - Les, I can start the IPMC recommendation vote
> shortly unless you specifically want to do that. I think we'll just
> start the vote right away and rephrase the resolution during the vote
> if needed (though
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel suggests
> posting the resolution on IPMC before the vote). Given that we already
> had a discussion on the resolution and it was linked to community
> vote, I doubt the wording in the proposed resolution is going to
> create any controversy.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
>> vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
>>> with suggested owners and timeline added
>>>
>>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>>>
>>> * a charter for your project - done
>>> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
>>> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
>>> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
>>> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
>>> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
>>> succeeds)
>>>
>>> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
>>> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
>>> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
I'm on a roll here - Les, I can start the IPMC recommendation vote
shortly unless you specifically want to do that. I think we'll just
start the vote right away and rephrase the resolution during the vote
if needed (though
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel suggests
posting the resolution on IPMC before the vote). Given that we already
had a discussion on the resolution and it was linked to community
vote, I doubt the wording in the proposed resolution is going to
create any controversy.
Kalle
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
> vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
>
> Les
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
>> with suggested owners and timeline added
>>
>> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>>
>> * a charter for your project - done
>> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
>> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
>> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
>> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
>> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
>> succeeds)
>>
>> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
>> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
>> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Yep, that's it - our community vote and then the IPMC recommendation
vote. Looks like we're in the home stretch!
Les
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
> with suggested owners and timeline added
>
> Graduation to a top level project requires:
>
> * a charter for your project - done
> * a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
> * a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
> (08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
> * the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
> September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
> succeeds)
>
> The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
> should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
> I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
>
> Kalle
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>>
>>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
>From http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel -
with suggested owners and timeline added
Graduation to a top level project requires:
* a charter for your project - done
* a positive community graduation VOTE - Kalle, this week (starting (08/09)
* a positive IPMC recommendation VOTE - Les, next week (starting
(08/16 assuming community vote tallied and succeeded)
* the acceptance of the resolution by the Board (add it to the
September board meeting agenda as soon as recommendation vote
succeeds)
The next board meeting is 3rd of September. The proposed timeline
should give us enough time to put it on the agenda. If no objections,
I'll send out the community vote email this evening.
Kalle
On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <li...@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
>
>> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
>> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>>> this email thread is for :)
>>>
>>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>>> Just thinking out loud...
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>>> hereby is
>>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
So what are the remaining items to kick this thing out of the Incubator?
Regards,
Alan
On Aug 5, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Kalle Korhonen wrote:
> Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
> keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
>> this email thread is for :)
>>
>> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
>> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
>> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
>> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
>> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
>> Just thinking out loud...
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>>
>>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>>
>>>> Just my .02,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>>> hereby is
>>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>>> aspects.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Hey at least we got a discussion out of it. I agree, I think we'll
keep it as is unless somebody suggests otherwise.
Kalle
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
> this email thread is for :)
>
> I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
> statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
> else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
> because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
> I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
> Just thinking out loud...
>
> Les
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
>> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
>> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
>> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
>> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
>> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
>> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
>> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
>> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>>
>>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>>
>>> Just my .02,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>>> hereby is
>>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>>> aspects.
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kalle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
I gotcha - and I'm glad your brought it up. As you said, that's what
this email thread is for :)
I think it is probably best that we leave it as the broad/general
statement that it is - it is conceivable that we might add something
else to the framework later on and I wouldn't want to be limited
because our mission statement implies that it might be out of scope.
I think that kind of stuff is better left to the community to decide.
Just thinking out loud...
Les
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
> management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
> of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
> algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
> agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
> suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
> application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
> but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
> I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
>> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
>> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
>> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
>> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>>
>> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
>> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
>> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
>> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
>> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
>> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
>> which is why I left the wording very general.
>>
>> Just my .02,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>>> hereby is
>>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>>> aspects.
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>>
>>>> Kalle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>>> settled.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Security is still bigger than "authentication, authorization, session
management and cryptography" combined. Cryptography may be a huge part
of the project, but we are mainly users of the cryptographic
algorithms rather than providers of them. On session management I
agree, and probably should be noted if we wanted to be specific but
suppose it can be seen as being included in overall "related to
application security" statement. I'm fine leaving the statement broad
but that's about the only topic in the resolution we should discuss so
I wanted to make sure that we agree with it.
Kalle
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
> absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
> this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
> Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
> used as an example from which we could create our own.
>
> And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
> to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
> Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
> based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
> supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
> available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
> which is why I left the wording very general.
>
> Just my .02,
>
> Les
>
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
>> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
>> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
>> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
>> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
>> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
>> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
>> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
>> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
>> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
>> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
>> hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
>> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
>> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
>> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
>> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
>> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
>> aspects.
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
>> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>>
>>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>>
>>> Kalle
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>>> settled.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
Yeah, I just copied Cayenne's resolution and changed only what
absolutely needed to be changed to make it Shiro-specific. I thought
this would be the 'safest' route to quickest approval since the
Incubator graduation criteria page specifically recommended that it be
used as an example from which we could create our own.
And I'm surprised to hear the potential suggestion to limit our domain
to only authentication and authorization. Session Management and
Cryptography are two huge parts of the overall project! At least
based on our project origins and current mission statement, Shiro is
supposed to be the most comprehensive application security framework
available. I personally feel that we should retain this mission,
which is why I left the wording very general.
Just my .02,
Les
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
> didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
> Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
> the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
> fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
> legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
> think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
> not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
> mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
> part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
> bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
> hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
> project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
> what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
> suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
> though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
> authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
> aspects.
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
> <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Les, will review.
>>
>> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
>> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
>> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>>
>> Kalle
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>>
>>>> Correct.
>>>>
>>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>>> settled.
>>>>
>>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>>
>>>> Craig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Craig L Russell
>>>> Architect, Oracle
>>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Back to the original matter now. I added Craig on the resolution and
didn't make other edits. I think it should be called "Project
Resolution" rather than "Graduation Resolution" but since it'd change
the url and only the content matters I didn't bother. I'm not a huge
fan of the fancy sentences either (I do not believe for a second that
legal language for some reason needs to be complicated) but I don't
think we have a lot of leeway in the matter and even if we did, it's
not worth the effort. While the resolution is not the same as a
mission statement, it includes a mission statement which is the only
part in it that matters to me and which we might want to expand on a
bit. Specifically the resolution says "The Apache Shiro Project be and
hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of a software
project related to application security". Does that cover all and only
what the project and we are set to do? I don't have any exact
suggestions - it's a bit short but could do even as is. We could
though specifically limit our domain to "authentication and
authorization" - security as a whole is more than just those two
aspects.
Kalle
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Kalle Korhonen
<ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Les, will review.
>
> I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
> need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
> stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
>
> Kalle
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
>> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>>> settled.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A quick note:
>>>>>
>>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>>
>>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>>> here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Craig L Russell
>>> Architect, Oracle
>>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Kalle Korhonen <ka...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Les, will review.
I don't want to turn this into a voting thread and I don't think we
need a formal vote on it either, but +1 from me as well for Craig to
stay on, we couldn't have gotten this far without him!
Kalle
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
>
> Les
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
> <cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
>> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
>> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
>> settled.
>>
>> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>>
>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>>
>>>> A quick note:
>>>>
>>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>>
>>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>>> here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>>
>>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Les
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Craig L Russell
>> Architect, Oracle
>> http://db.apache.org/jdo
>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>>
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
A huge +1 from me for Craig joining the PMC. Thanks for offering Craig!
Les
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Craig L Russell
<cr...@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
>> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
>
> Correct.
>
> However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one Apache
> Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair. Sometimes the
> mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to help the new PMC get
> settled.
>
> I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
>
> Craig
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>>
>>> A quick note:
>>>
>>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
>>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>>
>>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution
>>>> here:
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>>
>>>> Please review and comment.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Les
>>>>
>>
>
> Craig L Russell
> Architect, Oracle
> http://db.apache.org/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Craig L Russell <cr...@oracle.com>.
On Aug 4, 2010, at 11:03 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
Correct.
However, it's generally considered a good idea to have at least one
Apache Foundation Member on each PMC. Often this is the PMC chair.
Sometimes the mentors volunteer to stay on at least for a while to
help the new PMC get settled.
I'd be happy to help out by being on the new PMC if you'll have me.
Craig
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
>
>> A quick note:
>>
>> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project
>> members
>> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
>> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
>> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
>> in the Graduation Resolution).
>>
>> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
>> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
>> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Les
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
>> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>>> Resolution here:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>>
>>> Please review and comment.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Les
>>>
>
Craig L Russell
Architect, Oracle
http://db.apache.org/jdo
408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@oracle.com
P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by "Alan D. Cabrera" <li...@toolazydogs.com>.
You are correct. Mentors do not automatically become project members.
Regards,
Alan
On Aug 4, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Les Hazlewood wrote:
> A quick note:
>
> I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
> since their relationship with the project is to help through the
> incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
> incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
> in the Graduation Resolution).
>
> This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
> members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
> understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Les
>
> On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood
> <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation
>> Resolution here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>>
>> Please review and comment.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Les
>>
Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation Resolution
Posted by Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org>.
A quick note:
I assume Mentors are not to be automatically listed as project members
since their relationship with the project is to help through the
incubation process, and (formally) their responsibility with the
incubator podling is released upon graduation (per the last paragraph
in the Graduation Resolution).
This is *not* a reflection of any desire not to have them as project
members should they wish to participate - it merely reflects my
understanding of the role/scope of an Incubator Mentor.
Cheers,
Les
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Les Hazlewood <lh...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've posted my initial draft of the Apache TLP Graduation Resolution here:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SHIRO/Graduation+Resolution
>
> Please review and comment.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Les
>