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Posted to users@cloudstack.apache.org by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com> on 2015/12/10 12:06:01 UTC
cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
I’m trying to get a basic understanding on how much the performance of the ACS UI would improve if it was run through some form of accelerator/reverse proxy/cache (i.e. something like a netscaler)
Scenario is a management server that is a long way (physically) from the users, therefore latency is causing UI delays. Idea would be to put an accelerator close to the users so it can cache the static pieces of the ACS UI
We will be doing some testing on this, but wanted to know from the outset if anybody has a gut feel for how well the ACS UI may behave when run through a setup like this
Kind Regards
Giles
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RE: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
Posted by Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>.
Guys
Thanks for your opinions - really useful
We're going to put this through the lab at some point soon - will share results when we have
Kind Regards
Giles
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Mackey [mailto:tmackey@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 December 2015 01:34
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
I too use NetScaler and I actually found compression to have more of an impact than caching. Caching probably didn't help as much due to the jQuery stuff.
On Dec 10, 2015 8:30 PM, "Nux!" <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been running something like this without issues using mr
> Kinsella's instructions for a good while now.
> http://theresnomon.co/2014/improving-cloudstack-ui-performance/
>
> I've seen visible improvements in performance, at least with the
> version we have in production (4.4).
>
> HTH
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com>
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 2015 11:06:01
> > Subject: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
>
> > I’m trying to get a basic understanding on how much the performance
> > of
> the ACS
> > UI would improve if it was run through some form of
> > accelerator/reverse proxy/cache (i.e. something like a netscaler)
> >
> > Scenario is a management server that is a long way (physically)
> > from
> the users,
> > therefore latency is causing UI delays. Idea would be to put an
> accelerator
> > close to the users so it can cache the static pieces of the ACS UI
> >
> > We will be doing some testing on this, but wanted to know from the
> outset if
> > anybody has a gut feel for how well the ACS UI may behave when run
> through a
> > setup like this
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Giles
> >
> > Giles Sirett
> > CEO
> >
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Re: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
Posted by Tim Mackey <tm...@gmail.com>.
I too use NetScaler and I actually found compression to have more of an
impact than caching. Caching probably didn't help as much due to the jQuery
stuff.
On Dec 10, 2015 8:30 PM, "Nux!" <nu...@li.nux.ro> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been running something like this without issues using mr Kinsella's
> instructions for a good while now.
> http://theresnomon.co/2014/improving-cloudstack-ui-performance/
>
> I've seen visible improvements in performance, at least with the version
> we have in production (4.4).
>
> HTH
> Lucian
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com>
> > To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 2015 11:06:01
> > Subject: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
>
> > I’m trying to get a basic understanding on how much the performance of
> the ACS
> > UI would improve if it was run through some form of accelerator/reverse
> > proxy/cache (i.e. something like a netscaler)
> >
> > Scenario is a management server that is a long way (physically) from
> the users,
> > therefore latency is causing UI delays. Idea would be to put an
> accelerator
> > close to the users so it can cache the static pieces of the ACS UI
> >
> > We will be doing some testing on this, but wanted to know from the
> outset if
> > anybody has a gut feel for how well the ACS UI may behave when run
> through a
> > setup like this
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards
> > Giles
> >
> > Giles Sirett
> > CEO
> >
> > [cid:image003.png@01D104EF.CE276C40]
> >
> > D: +44 20 3603 0541 | S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +44 796 111 2055
> >
> > giles.sirett@shapeblue.com<ma...@shapeblue.com> |
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> >
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Re: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hi,
I've been running something like this without issues using mr Kinsella's instructions for a good while now.
http://theresnomon.co/2014/improving-cloudstack-ui-performance/
I've seen visible improvements in performance, at least with the version we have in production (4.4).
HTH
Lucian
--
Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Giles Sirett" <gi...@shapeblue.com>
> To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
> Sent: Thursday, 10 December, 2015 11:06:01
> Subject: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
> I’m trying to get a basic understanding on how much the performance of the ACS
> UI would improve if it was run through some form of accelerator/reverse
> proxy/cache (i.e. something like a netscaler)
>
> Scenario is a management server that is a long way (physically) from the users,
> therefore latency is causing UI delays. Idea would be to put an accelerator
> close to the users so it can cache the static pieces of the ACS UI
>
> We will be doing some testing on this, but wanted to know from the outset if
> anybody has a gut feel for how well the ACS UI may behave when run through a
> setup like this
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
> Giles
>
> Giles Sirett
> CEO
>
> [cid:image003.png@01D104EF.CE276C40]
>
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>
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>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
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RE: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
Posted by Timothy Lothering <tl...@datacentrix.co.za>.
Hi Giles,
We use Netscaler to accelerate ACS, albeit only static content as Erik mentioned. It is only really beneficial with multiple ACS Management Servers (and ours are 1 hop away @ 2Gbps). And to re-iterate what Erik said, the browser will cache most of the content.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Weber [mailto:terbolous@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 10 December 2015 1:26 PM
To: users@cloudstack.apache.org
Subject: Re: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
The only thing you could cache as far as I can see is static content (js, css, pictures) and list calls.
Anything that triggers an action has to reach the mgmt server and cannot be cached.
When caching list calls you have to either have a really short lifespan, or a proper method of invalidating the content on changes.
As for caching static content I am not sure if it really is worth it, it is only loaded on the first page load, and with recent ACS versions it should be cached by your browser as well.
I guess that theoretically you could build a custom version of the client-web that reference static content from another server (
static.customer.com) and ensure through DNS that users use a mirror close by.
--
Erik
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:
> I’m trying to get a basic understanding on how much the performance
> of the ACS UI would improve if it was run through some form of
> accelerator/reverse proxy/cache (i.e. something like a netscaler)
>
>
>
> Scenario is a management server that is a long way (physically) from
> the users, therefore latency is causing UI delays. Idea would be to
> put an accelerator close to the users so it can cache the static
> pieces of the ACS UI
>
>
>
> We will be doing some testing on this, but wanted to know from the
> outset if anybody has a gut feel for how well the ACS UI may behave
> when run through a setup like this
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Giles
>
>
>
> Giles Sirett
>
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>
>
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Re: cloudstack UI through accelerator/cache/proxy
Posted by Erik Weber <te...@gmail.com>.
The only thing you could cache as far as I can see is static content (js,
css, pictures) and list calls.
Anything that triggers an action has to reach the mgmt server and cannot be
cached.
When caching list calls you have to either have a really short lifespan, or
a proper method of invalidating the content on changes.
As for caching static content I am not sure if it really is worth it, it is
only loaded on the first page load, and with recent ACS versions it should
be cached by your browser as well.
I guess that theoretically you could build a custom version of the
client-web that reference static content from another server (
static.customer.com) and ensure through DNS that users use a mirror close
by.
--
Erik
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Giles Sirett <gi...@shapeblue.com>
wrote:
> I’m trying to get a basic understanding on how much the performance of
> the ACS UI would improve if it was run through some form of
> accelerator/reverse proxy/cache (i.e. something like a netscaler)
>
>
>
> Scenario is a management server that is a long way (physically) from the
> users, therefore latency is causing UI delays. Idea would be to put an
> accelerator close to the users so it can cache the static pieces of the ACS
> UI
>
>
>
> We will be doing some testing on this, but wanted to know from the outset
> if anybody has a gut feel for how well the ACS UI may behave when run
> through a setup like this
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Giles
>
>
>
> Giles Sirett
>
> *CEO*
>
>
>
> *[image: cid:image003.png@01D104EF.CE276C40]*
>
>
>
> D: +44 20 3603 0541 | S: +44 20 3603 0540 | M: +44 796 111 2055
>
>
>
> giles.sirett@shapeblue.com | www.shapeblue.com | Twitter:@shapeBlue
> <https://twitter.com/#!/shapeblue>
>
>
>
>
> Find out more about ShapeBlue and our range of CloudStack related services
>
> IaaS Cloud Design & Build
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> CloudStack Consulting <http://shapeblue.com/cloudstack-consultancy/>
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