First Impressions

[Phil Grimm <ph...@gmail.com>]

Roller Developers,

Here's some feedback on your installation instructions...

The instructions seem to imply that the mail.jar and activation.jar files
are optional. However, before adding them, I got this (less than useful)
Tomcat error:

SEVERE: Error listenerStart

After adding them, I got errors because Roller could not connect to the mail
server. Only after removing the mail.* properties (on a hunch), did Roller
deploy properly.

You might want to tell people how to disable the mail server functionality.
On a "first look" install, users will rarely care to have mail server
functionality. Conversely, a quick, painless install would be of great
value.

Phil

P.S.
I'm trying to understand, why in the Web 2.0 era, you'd still be using
1960's technology for your support communications. Web forums are way more
user friendly than listserv IMHO.

Re: First Impressions

[Phil Grimm <ph...@gmail.com>]

Thanks Dave!
That is a nice interface.

A mention of http://roller.markmail.org/ on the Roller wiki could be a
useful addition.
I added a comment to that page.
Perhaps someone with editing privs can add this.

Phil

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:40 AM, Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Phil Grimm <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm sure the developers prefer it. But how about would-be newbie Roller
> > users? Does listserv feel inviting to them? Does it contribute to the
> > overall adoption of Roller? Or is that of no concern? We don't need to
> > belabor the point further. It's just one cranky guy's ranting :)
> >
> > One practical matter though... As far as I can tell, the mailing list
> > archives are not searchable. The archives browsing is pretty friendly,
> but
> > how do you search it? Am I just not seeing it?
>
> http://markmail.org provides a nice search interface for all Apache
> (and other open source) mailing lists.
>
> - Dave
>



-- 
Phil Grimm
Mobile: (858) 335-3426
Skype: philgrimm336

Re: First Impressions

[Dave <sn...@gmail.com>]

On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Phil Grimm <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sure the developers prefer it. But how about would-be newbie Roller
> users? Does listserv feel inviting to them? Does it contribute to the
> overall adoption of Roller? Or is that of no concern? We don't need to
> belabor the point further. It's just one cranky guy's ranting :)
>
> One practical matter though... As far as I can tell, the mailing list
> archives are not searchable. The archives browsing is pretty friendly, but
> how do you search it? Am I just not seeing it?

http://markmail.org provides a nice search interface for all Apache
(and other open source) mailing lists.

- Dave

Re: First Impressions

[Phil Grimm <ph...@gmail.com>]

I'm sure the developers prefer it. But how about would-be newbie Roller
users? Does listserv feel inviting to them? Does it contribute to the
overall adoption of Roller? Or is that of no concern? We don't need to
belabor the point further. It's just one cranky guy's ranting :)

One practical matter though... As far as I can tell, the mailing list
archives are not searchable. The archives browsing is pretty friendly, but
how do you search it? Am I just not seeing it?

Thanks,
Phil

P.S. Correction... listserv is 1980's technology :) Still, pre-web era.

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Steve Sobol <sj...@justthe.net> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:04PM -0500, Phil Grimm wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to understand, why in the Web 2.0 era, you'd still be using
> > 1960's technology for your support communications. Web forums are way
> more
> > user friendly than listserv IMHO.
>
> You're certainly welcome to your opinion. Some people prefer email.
>
> --
> Steve Sobol / Victorville, CA, USA
> It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.
>
>


-- 
Phil Grimm
Mobile: (858) 335-3426
Skype: philgrimm336

Re: First Impressions

[Steve Sobol <sj...@justthe.net>]

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:04PM -0500, Phil Grimm wrote:

> I'm trying to understand, why in the Web 2.0 era, you'd still be using
> 1960's technology for your support communications. Web forums are way more
> user friendly than listserv IMHO.

You're certainly welcome to your opinion. Some people prefer email.

-- 
Steve Sobol / Victorville, CA, USA
It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room.