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Posted to users@spamassassin.apache.org by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net> on 2006/07/22 00:01:03 UTC
FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
properties.
DAMNIT FIX IT!
{+_+}
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by James Butler <ja...@musicforhumans.com>.
On 7/21/06 at 3:04 PM Evan Platt wrote:
>At 03:01 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:
>>Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
>>
>>It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
>>list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
>>had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
>>sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
>>
>>Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
>>This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
>>properties.
>
>
>I was tempted to reply with a fake bounce message to you, but that
>would be too mean. :-D
This was a possible explanation for my Snort installation picking up the messed up headers, a few days ago, too. Maybe there is a problem with the Apache.org installation munging stuff?
James
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Evan Platt" <ev...@espphotography.com>
> At 03:01 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:
>>Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
>>
>>It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
>>list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
>>had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
>>sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
>>
>>Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
>>This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
>>properties.
>
>
> I was tempted to reply with a fake bounce message to you, but that
> would be too mean. :-D
I am pretty good at detecting fakes, I believe. Besides bounces from
individual people get a procmail rule to bypass all further testing
on all future emails from that domain on their way to /dev/null. I am
not forgiving of mail bounces.
Of course, since it is easy for something as dumb old tech as procmail
to skip spamassassin tests on the SpamAssassin mailing lists it's
pretty easy to get VERY upset that the weenies at Apache.org can't
get their heads straight enough to fix the problems engendered by
their feeding this list through the same SpamAssassin filters as
every other list.
And a mail loop - why that's something as amateur as what I might do
setting up a mail service open to outside input. I've never done that
yet. But gee, they have.
{+_+}
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by Evan Platt <ev...@espphotography.com>.
At 03:01 PM 7/21/2006, you wrote:
>Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
>
>It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
>list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
>had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
>sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
>
>Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
>This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
>properties.
I was tempted to reply with a fake bounce message to you, but that
would be too mean. :-D
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by jdow <jd...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Daryl C. W. O'Shea" <sp...@dostech.ca>
> John Andersen wrote:
>> On Friday 21 July 2006 14:01, jdow wrote:
>>> Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
>>>
>>> It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
>>> list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
>>> had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
>>> sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
>>>
>>> Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
>>> This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
>>> properties.
>>>
>>> DAMNIT FIX IT!
>>>
>>> {+_+}
>>
>> Yup, I'm seeing the same thing. And sometimes the failures are happening
>> many hours after the message was sent.
>
>
> First, the Apache infra folks are all volunteers who do an awesome job,
> for free.
>
> Second, although the Apache ezmlm is eventually bouncing the message
> back when it discovers the message is a dupe, it's not really the fault
> of the Apache MXes. It's whoever runs "potap01.accessintel.com" that is
> apparently seriously screwed up.
>
>
> The best immediate course of action is probably unsubscribing
> "SSaleh@accessintel.com" from this list. Unfortunately I'm not a list
> admin so I can't do it. I suppose I probably should be helping out with
> that. :o
>
>
> Daryl
In light of this my apologies to the Apache list folks. (Although I am
still rather griped that they feed this list through the same filters
as the other lists. It's SO easy to bypass SA for one list, at least
with procmail. If other filters/milters/whatevers can't then they are
basically worthless silliness.)
{^_^}
>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>> Pasted in the headers Below....
>>
>> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
>> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
>> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>>
>> <us...@spamassassin.apache.org>:
>> ezmlm-send: fatal: message already has a Mailing-List header (maybe I should
>> be a sublist) (#5.7.2)
>> ezmlm-gate: fatal: fatal error from child
>>
>> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>>
>> Return-Path: <js...@pen.homeip.net>
>> Received: (qmail 42380 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2006 22:20:26 -0000
>> Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49)
>> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:26 -0700
>> X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=10.0
>> tests=X_MESSAGE_FLAG_ODD
>> X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org
>> Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy)
>> Received: from [12.145.52.121] (HELO potap01.accessintel.com) (12.145.52.121)
>> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:24 -0700
>> Received: from mail pickup service by potap01.accessintel.com with Microsoft
>> SMTPSVC;
>> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:18:59 -0400
>> Received: from potmgw01.accessintel.com ([10.10.0.109]) by
>> potap01.accessintel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
>> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:49:50 -0400
>> Received: from mail.apache.org ([209.237.227.199])
>> by potmgw01.accessintel.com (SMSSMTP 4.1.9.35) with SMTP id
>> M2006072103494928300
>> for <SS...@accessintel.com>; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:49:49 -0400
>> Received: (qmail 91437 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2006 07:49:47 -0000
>> Mailing-List: contact users-help@spamassassin.apache.org; run by ezmlm
>> Precedence: bulk
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>> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:49:47 -0700
>> X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=10.0
>> tests=X_MESSAGE_FLAG_ODD
>> Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy)
>> Received: from [209.165.130.11] (HELO msgmmp-1.gci.net) (209.165.130.11)
>> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:49:45 -0700
>> Received: from 90-72-174-206.gci.net ([206.174.72.90])
>> by msgmmp-1.gci.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.03 (built Jun 27
>> 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J...@msgmmp-1.gci.net> for
>> users@spamassassin.apache.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:49:23 -0800 (AKDT)
>> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:49:12 -0800
>> From: John Andersen <js...@pen.homeip.net>
>> Subject: Razor - Does it Work thru Spamc
>> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
>> Message-id: <20...@pen.homeip.net>
>> MIME-version: 1.0
>> Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=nextPart4260436.ihrHRsPluK;
>> protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1
>> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1
>> X-Message-flag: Outlook Sucks
>> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org
>> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 07:49:50.0434 (UTC)
>> FILETIME=[3EBFDC20:01C6AC9A]
>> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org
>> X-Old-Spam-Check-By: apache.org
>>
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by "Daryl C. W. O'Shea" <sp...@dostech.ca>.
John Andersen wrote:
> On Friday 21 July 2006 14:01, jdow wrote:
>> Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
>>
>> It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
>> list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
>> had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
>> sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
>>
>> Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
>> This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
>> properties.
>>
>> DAMNIT FIX IT!
>>
>> {+_+}
>
> Yup, I'm seeing the same thing. And sometimes the failures are happening
> many hours after the message was sent.
First, the Apache infra folks are all volunteers who do an awesome job,
for free.
Second, although the Apache ezmlm is eventually bouncing the message
back when it discovers the message is a dupe, it's not really the fault
of the Apache MXes. It's whoever runs "potap01.accessintel.com" that is
apparently seriously screwed up.
The best immediate course of action is probably unsubscribing
"SSaleh@accessintel.com" from this list. Unfortunately I'm not a list
admin so I can't do it. I suppose I probably should be helping out with
that. :o
Daryl
>
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
> Pasted in the headers Below....
>
> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
> I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
> This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
>
> <us...@spamassassin.apache.org>:
> ezmlm-send: fatal: message already has a Mailing-List header (maybe I should
> be a sublist) (#5.7.2)
> ezmlm-gate: fatal: fatal error from child
>
> --- Below this line is a copy of the message.
>
> Return-Path: <js...@pen.homeip.net>
> Received: (qmail 42380 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2006 22:20:26 -0000
> Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49)
> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:26 -0700
> X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=10.0
> tests=X_MESSAGE_FLAG_ODD
> X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org
> Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy)
> Received: from [12.145.52.121] (HELO potap01.accessintel.com) (12.145.52.121)
> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:24 -0700
> Received: from mail pickup service by potap01.accessintel.com with Microsoft
> SMTPSVC;
> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:18:59 -0400
> Received: from potmgw01.accessintel.com ([10.10.0.109]) by
> potap01.accessintel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:49:50 -0400
> Received: from mail.apache.org ([209.237.227.199])
> by potmgw01.accessintel.com (SMSSMTP 4.1.9.35) with SMTP id
> M2006072103494928300
> for <SS...@accessintel.com>; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:49:49 -0400
> Received: (qmail 91437 invoked by uid 500); 21 Jul 2006 07:49:47 -0000
> Mailing-List: contact users-help@spamassassin.apache.org; run by ezmlm
> Precedence: bulk
> list-help: <ma...@spamassassin.apache.org>
> list-unsubscribe: <ma...@spamassassin.apache.org>
> List-Post: <ma...@spamassassin.apache.org>
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> Received: (qmail 91428 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2006 07:49:47 -0000
> Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49)
> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:49:47 -0700
> X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=10.0
> tests=X_MESSAGE_FLAG_ODD
> Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy)
> Received: from [209.165.130.11] (HELO msgmmp-1.gci.net) (209.165.130.11)
> by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:49:45 -0700
> Received: from 90-72-174-206.gci.net ([206.174.72.90])
> by msgmmp-1.gci.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-3.03 (built Jun 27
> 2005)) with ESMTP id <0J...@msgmmp-1.gci.net> for
> users@spamassassin.apache.org; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:49:23 -0800 (AKDT)
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:49:12 -0800
> From: John Andersen <js...@pen.homeip.net>
> Subject: Razor - Does it Work thru Spamc
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Message-id: <20...@pen.homeip.net>
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Content-type: multipart/signed; boundary=nextPart4260436.ihrHRsPluK;
> protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1
> X-Message-flag: Outlook Sucks
> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org
> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 07:49:50.0434 (UTC)
> FILETIME=[3EBFDC20:01C6AC9A]
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> X-Old-Spam-Check-By: apache.org
>
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by John Andersen <js...@pen.homeip.net>.
On Friday 21 July 2006 14:28, John Andersen wrote:
Replying to myself...
It looks upon further inspection that this guy is the problem. He
seems to be routing mail back to the list or something:
> for <SS...@accessintel.com>; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:49:49 -0400
--
_____________________________________
John Andersen
Re: FSCKED UP MAIL BOUNCES FROM THIS LIST
Posted by John Andersen <js...@pen.homeip.net>.
On Friday 21 July 2006 14:01, jdow wrote:
> Hey guys, the Apache email system is hosed.
>
> It has bounced two recent emails, one because it supposedly already had
> list headers on it, which as it went out of here it did not. The other
> had the system's spamassassin filter barfing on the direct output of
> sa-stats.pl which included several BAYES tags.
>
> Can't the bozoids there do SOMETHING to make this list useable again?
> This is getting ridiculous and has passed mere "annoying" for its
> properties.
>
> DAMNIT FIX IT!
>
> {+_+}
Yup, I'm seeing the same thing. And sometimes the failures are happening
many hours after the message was sent.
-----------------------------------------------------------
Pasted in the headers Below....
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at apache.org.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.
<us...@spamassassin.apache.org>:
ezmlm-send: fatal: message already has a Mailing-List header (maybe I should
be a sublist) (#5.7.2)
ezmlm-gate: fatal: fatal error from child
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.
Return-Path: <js...@pen.homeip.net>
Received: (qmail 42380 invoked by uid 99); 21 Jul 2006 22:20:26 -0000
Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49)
by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:26 -0700
X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=10.0
tests=X_MESSAGE_FLAG_ODD
X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org
Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy)
Received: from [12.145.52.121] (HELO potap01.accessintel.com) (12.145.52.121)
by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 15:20:24 -0700
Received: from mail pickup service by potap01.accessintel.com with Microsoft
SMTPSVC;
Fri, 21 Jul 2006 18:18:59 -0400
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:49:12 -0800
From: John Andersen <js...@pen.homeip.net>
Subject: Razor - Does it Work thru Spamc
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Message-id: <20...@pen.homeip.net>
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_____________________________________
John Andersen