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Posted to dev@kibble.apache.org by sh...@apache.org on 2018/09/10 08:07:50 UTC
Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Hi All
Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the information
Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo instance up and
running for most of this year so now we'd like to get some feedback from
you about how you are using Kibble.
Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
* How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
* How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
other ways?
* What questions about your community can you currently not answer and
what information could Kibble provide to help answer these questions?
* What problems do you have with using Kibble?
Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be good
to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it isn’t
clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble then we’d
be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it for the future.
If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org). We're looking forward to
receiving your feedback.
Thanks
Sharan
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Gilles Sadowski <er...@apache.org>.
Hello.
On 2018/09/14 10:20:42, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> Hi Gilles
>
> Thanks very much for the feedback. Please can you let us know which
> Apache project you are involved in so we can record and track the feedback.
The project is "Commons" (I've created the "commons" view in the demo).
Best regards,
Gilles
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 13.9.2018 20:24, Gilles wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:07:50 +0200, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
> >> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
> >> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
> >> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to get
> >> some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
> >>
> >> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
> >>
> >> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
> >
> > Every 3 months for stats to be included in the report to the Board.
> >
> >> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
> >> other ways?
> >> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer and
> >> what information could Kibble provide to help answer these questions?
> >
> > At this point in time, the main issue is on our side: we didn't
> > have any discussion about this nice tool which you provided.
> >
> >> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
> >
> > I tried to discover how to use it by playing with the demo.
> > Perhaps there could be a link to the documentation (user
> > manual).
> >
> > For the limited usage we have up to now, it would be great
> > if it could generate some summary in ASCII (or other text)
> > format.
> >
> >> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
> >> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
> >> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
> >> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it for
> >> the future.
> >
> > Clicking on the "Exports" menu opened a popup saying "Widget
> > not found"!
> >
> >> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
> >> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org). We're looking forward to
> >> receiving your feedback.
> >
> > Sorry for the limited experience. :-}
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gilles
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sharan
> >
>
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by sh...@apache.org.
Hi Gilles
Thanks very much for the feedback. Please can you let us know which
Apache project you are involved in so we can record and track the feedback.
Thanks
Sharan
On 13.9.2018 20:24, Gilles wrote:
> Hello.
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:07:50 +0200, sharan@apache.org wrote:
>> Hi All
>>
>> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
>> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
>> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
>> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to get
>> some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>>
>> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>>
>> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
>
> Every 3 months for stats to be included in the report to the Board.
>
>> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
>> other ways?
>> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer and
>> what information could Kibble provide to help answer these questions?
>
> At this point in time, the main issue is on our side: we didn't
> have any discussion about this nice tool which you provided.
>
>> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>
> I tried to discover how to use it by playing with the demo.
> Perhaps there could be a link to the documentation (user
> manual).
>
> For the limited usage we have up to now, it would be great
> if it could generate some summary in ASCII (or other text)
> format.
>
>> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
>> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
>> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
>> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it for
>> the future.
>
> Clicking on the "Exports" menu opened a popup saying "Widget
> not found"!
>
>> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
>> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org). We're looking forward to
>> receiving your feedback.
>
> Sorry for the limited experience. :-}
>
> Regards,
> Gilles
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Gilles <gi...@harfang.homelinux.org>.
Hello.
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 10:07:50 +0200, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to get
> some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>
> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>
> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
Every 3 months for stats to be included in the report to the Board.
> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
> other ways?
> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer
> and
> what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
> questions?
At this point in time, the main issue is on our side: we didn't
have any discussion about this nice tool which you provided.
> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
I tried to discover how to use it by playing with the demo.
Perhaps there could be a link to the documentation (user
manual).
For the limited usage we have up to now, it would be great
if it could generate some summary in ASCII (or other text)
format.
> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it for
> the future.
Clicking on the "Exports" menu opened a popup saying "Widget
not found"!
> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org). We're looking forward to
> receiving your feedback.
Sorry for the limited experience. :-}
Regards,
Gilles
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Sharan <sh...@gmail.com>.
On 10.9.2018 10:54, Sharan wrote:
>
>
> On 10.9.2018 10:50, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>> On 09/10/2018 10:46 AM, Sharan wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> The quick filter seems to need a view, so I've created a Netbeans
>>> view under the Kibble guest login.
>>
>> the sub-filter is 'sticky', so you don't really need to create
>> permanent filters much. If you type 'netbeans' in the sub-filter box,
>> it should stick when you navigate to other pages on the site.
>
> OK - will test that :-)
Yes it works and I think it is something we need to document as it is a
nice quick way for people to get started :-)
Thanks
Sharan
>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>> On 10.9.2018 10:24, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>> On 09/10/2018 10:16 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>>> Not sure what Kibble is, this is the first time I've heard of it
>>>>> -- but very interested to know what the statistics are that it
>>>>> shows about Apache NetBeans.
>>>>
>>>> https://demo.kibble.apache.org/
>>>> log in, go to 'data points', type in 'netbeans' in the quick filter
>>>> and click the sub-filter button :) and...look around!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gj
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, <sharan@apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of
>>>>> the
>>>>> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
>>>>> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
>>>>> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to
>>>>> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>>>>>
>>>>> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
>>>>> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is
>>>>> useful
>>>>> in other ways?
>>>>> * What questions about your community can you currently not
>>>>> answer
>>>>> and what information could Kibble provide to help answer
>>>>> these
>>>>> questions?
>>>>> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it
>>>>> would be
>>>>> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for
>>>>> using it
>>>>> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about
>>>>> Kibble
>>>>> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it
>>>>> for the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on
>>>>> our
>>>>> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org
>>>>> <ma...@kibble.apache.org>). We're looking forward to
>>>>> receiving
>>>>> your feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Sharan <sh...@gmail.com>.
On 10.9.2018 10:50, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> On 09/10/2018 10:46 AM, Sharan wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> The quick filter seems to need a view, so I've created a Netbeans
>> view under the Kibble guest login.
>
> the sub-filter is 'sticky', so you don't really need to create
> permanent filters much. If you type 'netbeans' in the sub-filter box,
> it should stick when you navigate to other pages on the site.
OK - will test that :-)
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>> On 10.9.2018 10:24, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>> On 09/10/2018 10:16 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>>> Not sure what Kibble is, this is the first time I've heard of it --
>>>> but very interested to know what the statistics are that it shows
>>>> about Apache NetBeans.
>>>
>>> https://demo.kibble.apache.org/
>>> log in, go to 'data points', type in 'netbeans' in the quick filter
>>> and click the sub-filter button :) and...look around!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gj
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, <sharan@apache.org
>>>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
>>>> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
>>>> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
>>>> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to
>>>> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>>>>
>>>> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>>>>
>>>> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
>>>> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful
>>>> in other ways?
>>>> * What questions about your community can you currently not
>>>> answer
>>>> and what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
>>>> questions?
>>>> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>>>>
>>>> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
>>>> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
>>>> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
>>>> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it
>>>> for the future.
>>>>
>>>> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
>>>> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org
>>>> <ma...@kibble.apache.org>). We're looking forward to
>>>> receiving
>>>> your feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Sharan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 09/10/2018 10:46 AM, Sharan wrote:
> Hi
>
> The quick filter seems to need a view, so I've created a Netbeans view
> under the Kibble guest login.
the sub-filter is 'sticky', so you don't really need to create permanent
filters much. If you type 'netbeans' in the sub-filter box, it should
stick when you navigate to other pages on the site.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
> On 10.9.2018 10:24, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>> On 09/10/2018 10:16 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>>> Not sure what Kibble is, this is the first time I've heard of it --
>>> but very interested to know what the statistics are that it shows
>>> about Apache NetBeans.
>>
>> https://demo.kibble.apache.org/
>> log in, go to 'data points', type in 'netbeans' in the quick filter
>> and click the sub-filter button :) and...look around!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gj
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, <sharan@apache.org
>>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
>>> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
>>> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
>>> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to
>>> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>>>
>>> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>>>
>>> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
>>> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful
>>> in other ways?
>>> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer
>>> and what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
>>> questions?
>>> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>>>
>>> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
>>> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
>>> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
>>> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it
>>> for the future.
>>>
>>> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
>>> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org
>>> <ma...@kibble.apache.org>). We're looking forward to receiving
>>> your feedback.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Sharan <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi
The quick filter seems to need a view, so I've created a Netbeans view
under the Kibble guest login.
Thanks
Sharan
On 10.9.2018 10:24, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> On 09/10/2018 10:16 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
>> Not sure what Kibble is, this is the first time I've heard of it --
>> but very interested to know what the statistics are that it shows
>> about Apache NetBeans.
>
> https://demo.kibble.apache.org/
> log in, go to 'data points', type in 'netbeans' in the quick filter
> and click the sub-filter button :) and...look around!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, <sharan@apache.org
>> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
>> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
>> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
>> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to
>> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>>
>> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>>
>> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
>> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful
>> in other ways?
>> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer
>> and what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
>> questions?
>> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>>
>> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
>> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
>> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
>> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it
>> for the future.
>>
>> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
>> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org
>> <ma...@kibble.apache.org>). We're looking forward to receiving
>> your feedback.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 09/10/2018 10:16 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> Not sure what Kibble is, this is the first time I've heard of it -- but
> very interested to know what the statistics are that it shows about
> Apache NetBeans.
https://demo.kibble.apache.org/
log in, go to 'data points', type in 'netbeans' in the quick filter and
click the sub-filter button :) and...look around!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, <sharan@apache.org
> <ma...@apache.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
> information Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo
> instance up and running for most of this year so now we'd like to
> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
>
> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>
> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful
> in other ways?
> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer
> and what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
> questions?
> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>
> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be
> good to understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it
> isn’t clear etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble
> then we’d be happy to hear it so that we can work on improving it
> for the future.
>
> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our
> Kibble dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org
> <ma...@kibble.apache.org>). We're looking forward to receiving
> your feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
Not sure what Kibble is, this is the first time I've heard of it -- but
very interested to know what the statistics are that it shows about Apache
NetBeans.
Thanks,
Gj
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 10:07 AM, <sh...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the Kibble
> demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the information Kibble
> shows about your project. We have had our demo instance up and running for
> most of this year so now we'd like to get some feedback from you about how
> you are using Kibble.
>
> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>
> - How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
> - How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
> other ways?
> - What questions about your community can you currently not answer and
> what information could Kibble provide to help answer these questions?
> - What problems do you have with using Kibble?
>
> Please note that even if you are not using Kibble then it would be good to
> understand why (e.g perhaps the documentation for using it isn’t clear
> etc). Also if you have any other feedback about Kibble then we’d be happy
> to hear it so that we can work on improving it for the future.
>
> If you have any questions then please feel free to ask them on our Kibble
> dev list (dev@kibble.apache.org). We're looking forward to receiving your
> feedback.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2018-09-12 at 12:18 +0200, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> On 09/12/2018 12:14 PM, Robert Munteanu wrote:
> > 3. I was unable to find what the Pony Factor is. Some documentation
> > (inline in the app or in the manual) would be great.
>
> https://ke4qqq.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/pony-factor-math/
>
> We should put a link to that or add the description to the
> documentation, yeah. it's basically a risk factor.
Thanks for the primer in equine mathematics :-)
Robert
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Daniel Gruno <hu...@apache.org>.
On 09/12/2018 12:14 PM, Robert Munteanu wrote:
> 3. I was unable to find what the Pony Factor is. Some documentation
> (inline in the app or in the manual) would be great.
https://ke4qqq.wordpress.com/2015/02/08/pony-factor-math/
We should put a link to that or add the description to the
documentation, yeah. it's basically a risk factor.
>
> -----
>
> Guess that about covers it. Overall I'm happy Kibble exists I can
> extract stats about our projects so thanks for that!
>
> Robert
>
> [1]: https://demo.kibble.apache.org/contributors.html?page=mvp&view=adb6da82a758f0cc0d3b650b9e839c15c0e0f7d92ff5f074821d7e98
>
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org>.
Hi Sharan,
(+dev@sling)
On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 10:07 +0200, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
> information
> Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo instance up
> and
> running for most of this year so now we'd like to get some feedback
> from
> you about how you are using Kibble.
>
> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>
> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
I for one used it a couple of times to try and assess community health
by looking for new contributors. Having 280+ git repos makes it very
hard to do so with other tools.
> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
> other ways?
I'm looking mostly at trends - how is the number of contributors
evolving? Do we have new people coming in and contributing?
> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer
> and
> what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
> questions?
Top of my head, that would be:
- contributions by non-committers - code, emails
- release activity ( can be picked up from Jira or from [VOTE] emails )
> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
1. Trying to access the 'contributors' tab with the 'Apache Sling' view
results in a 'Widget design not found' error for me [1]
2. (Not an issue with Kibble per se) Since we keep adding repositories
(~20 are not on Kibble) we would need a way of automating it. I saw
that Kibble has an API, but not sure how much work is for us to manage
the repositories list ( + the view ). Need to look into it.
3. I was unable to find what the Pony Factor is. Some documentation
(inline in the app or in the manual) would be great.
-----
Guess that about covers it. Overall I'm happy Kibble exists I can
extract stats about our projects so thanks for that!
Robert
[1]: https://demo.kibble.apache.org/contributors.html?page=mvp&view=adb6da82a758f0cc0d3b650b9e839c15c0e0f7d92ff5f074821d7e98
Re: Emailing PMCs in public versus private [was: Feedback Requested
from Kibble Demo Projects]
Posted by sh...@apache.org.
On 10.9.2018 11:34, Julian Foad wrote:
> sharan@apache.org wrote on 2018-09-10:
>> Hi Julian
>>
>> No, this query doesn't need to remain private. Please feel free to share
>> this with your community.
> Done. Thanks.
>
>> I sent the reminder to the PMCs as the
>> original request to become a Kibble demo project was sent out to the
>> PMCs. [...]
> I wonder if I can guess the root of the problem. Your email arrived at "private@subversion.a.o" but from what you say here would I be right in guessing you addressed it to "pmcs@apache.org"? If that's the case, then that's a source of confusion.
Hi Julian
I didn't send the original request so I'm not sure what alias was used
but the objective was to send it to all project private lists. If you'd
like to locate the message, the original request for participation was
sent on 27 November 2017.
>
>
> I have just searched around and found that in 2005 a resolution [3] was passed to rename all the mailing lists formerly called "pmc@PROJECT.apache.org" to "private@PROJECT.apache.org" and to use these only for strictly private matters. This resolution is incorporated in the PMC Required Policies [2].
>
> However, it appears that the alias "pmcs@" may now be pointing to the "private@" lists (I'm not sure how to check), in which case it should therefore only be used for strictly private matters and it may be a good idea to rename that alias to something like "pmcs-private@" and deprecate "pmcs@".
>
> For matters which we wish to address to PMCs but need not be private, we should have some other alias ("pmcs-public@"?). This should point to each project's most appropriate public mailing list. (In the case of Apache Subversion, I believe this would be "dev@subversion.a.o".)
>
> Can you shed any more light on this?
This sounds like a discussion topic for dev@community.a.o rather than
the Kibble dev list as as you are talking about something that would
affect all projects.
Thanks
Sharan
>
> - Julian
>
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#confidential
> [2] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-private
> [3] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Rename_pmc_lists_to_private.html
Re: Emailing PMCs in public versus private
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@apache.org>.
For anyone here who is interested in following this topic: I moved it to <de...@community.a.o>.
--
- Julian
Julian Foad wrote on 2018-09-10:
> [...] the alias [that points to] the "private@" lists [...] should
> therefore only be used for strictly private matters and it may be a good
> idea to rename that alias [...].
>
> For matters which we wish to address to PMCs but need not be private, we
> should have some other alias [...]
Emailing PMCs in public versus private [was: Feedback Requested from
Kibble Demo Projects]
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@apache.org>.
sharan@apache.org wrote on 2018-09-10:
> Hi Julian
>
> No, this query doesn't need to remain private. Please feel free to share
> this with your community.
Done. Thanks.
> I sent the reminder to the PMCs as the
> original request to become a Kibble demo project was sent out to the
> PMCs. [...]
I wonder if I can guess the root of the problem. Your email arrived at "private@subversion.a.o" but from what you say here would I be right in guessing you addressed it to "pmcs@apache.org"? If that's the case, then that's a source of confusion.
I have just searched around and found that in 2005 a resolution [3] was passed to rename all the mailing lists formerly called "pmc@PROJECT.apache.org" to "private@PROJECT.apache.org" and to use these only for strictly private matters. This resolution is incorporated in the PMC Required Policies [2].
However, it appears that the alias "pmcs@" may now be pointing to the "private@" lists (I'm not sure how to check), in which case it should therefore only be used for strictly private matters and it may be a good idea to rename that alias to something like "pmcs-private@" and deprecate "pmcs@".
For matters which we wish to address to PMCs but need not be private, we should have some other alias ("pmcs-public@"?). This should point to each project's most appropriate public mailing list. (In the case of Apache Subversion, I believe this would be "dev@subversion.a.o".)
Can you shed any more light on this?
- Julian
[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#confidential
[2] https://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#mailing-list-private
[3] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Rename_pmc_lists_to_private.html
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by sh...@apache.org.
Hi Julian
No, this query doesn't need to remain private. Please feel free to share
this with your community. I sent the reminder to the PMCs as the
original request to become a Kibble demo project was sent out to the
PMCs. Based on the responses we received from the PMCs, the projects
were added to the demo instance.
Thanks
Sharan
On 10.9.2018 10:45, Julian Foad wrote:
> Hi, Sharan / Kibble project. Does this query need to remain private? If not, I would like to forward the copy received on private@subversion.apache.org to dev@subversion.apache.org on the principle that any project business that does not need to be private should be public [1].
>
> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#confidential
>
> - Julian
>
>
> sharan@apache.org wrote to private@subversion.apache.org:
>> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
>> Kibble demo instance. [...] we'd like to
>> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Julian Foad <ju...@apache.org>.
Hi, Sharan / Kibble project. Does this query need to remain private? If not, I would like to forward the copy received on private@subversion.apache.org to dev@subversion.apache.org on the principle that any project business that does not need to be private should be public [1].
[1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#confidential
- Julian
sharan@apache.org wrote to private@subversion.apache.org:
> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
> Kibble demo instance. [...] we'd like to
> get some feedback from you about how you are using Kibble.
Re: Feedback Requested from Kibble Demo Projects
Posted by Robert Munteanu <ro...@apache.org>.
Hi Sharan,
(+dev@sling)
On Mon, 2018-09-10 at 10:07 +0200, sharan@apache.org wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Thanks very much for being one of the projects that is part of the
> Kibble demo instance. We hope that you are making use of the
> information
> Kibble shows about your project. We have had our demo instance up
> and
> running for most of this year so now we'd like to get some feedback
> from
> you about how you are using Kibble.
>
> Some example questions that we’d be interested in are as follows:
>
> * How often are you using Kibble and what are you using it for?
I for one used it a couple of times to try and assess community health
by looking for new contributors. Having 280+ git repos makes it very
hard to do so with other tools.
> * How does information from Kibble inform decisions or is useful in
> other ways?
I'm looking mostly at trends - how is the number of contributors
evolving? Do we have new people coming in and contributing?
> * What questions about your community can you currently not answer
> and
> what information could Kibble provide to help answer these
> questions?
Top of my head, that would be:
- contributions by non-committers - code, emails
- release activity ( can be picked up from Jira or from [VOTE] emails )
> * What problems do you have with using Kibble?
1. Trying to access the 'contributors' tab with the 'Apache Sling' view
results in a 'Widget design not found' error for me [1]
2. (Not an issue with Kibble per se) Since we keep adding repositories
(~20 are not on Kibble) we would need a way of automating it. I saw
that Kibble has an API, but not sure how much work is for us to manage
the repositories list ( + the view ). Need to look into it.
3. I was unable to find what the Pony Factor is. Some documentation
(inline in the app or in the manual) would be great.
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Guess that about covers it. Overall I'm happy Kibble exists I can
extract stats about our projects so thanks for that!
Robert
[1]: https://demo.kibble.apache.org/contributors.html?page=mvp&view=adb6da82a758f0cc0d3b650b9e839c15c0e0f7d92ff5f074821d7e98