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[FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Topic: XHTML2 core and Jira cleanup
===================================
Scribe: Diwaker Gupta <diwaker.at.apache.org>
DISCLAIMER: What follows is my understanding of the IRC logs. If you feel I
have mis-interpreted something, do help me improve this document. This summary
is by no means complete, please refer to the logs for full details.
Interesting summary at: http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
It was a new experience for a lot of people and generally enjoyable for all I
hope. Unfortunately I could not participate actively due to other engagements.
Ross skipped pleasantries and created an internal plugin to start the work on
XHTML2. As a first milestone, the goal was to use Gav's sample XHTML2 and
convert that to HTML using the xhtml2 plugin.
Cheche started the bot and Ferdinand can tell us the funny incident involving
the bot.
Nicola expressed concern that despite having all the pieces of the puzzle
(locationmap, views, xhtml2) we are having a hard time putting things
together. He boldly ventured to suggest that perhaps we should rewrite the
pipeline(s) from scratch. Other devs present shared similar thoughts. The
general feeling was that the move to XHTML2 should be taken as an opportunity
to consolidate our code base -- use locationmap as much as possible, remove
duplicated code, remove unused code, refactor where necessary and so on.
Directory Structure and Configuration
-------------------------------------
Discussion regarding the directory structure surfaced briefly, but there was
no consensus. It is an important issue that needs a little more discussion,
that will perhaps be taken up in another FT (ForrestTuesday) or hopefully
even earlier. This has been discussed earlier on the dev list:
http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@forrest.apache.org/msg00372.html
Ferdinand suggested the following layout:
my-project/
configuration/
forrest.properties
skinconfiguration.xml
sitestructure.xml
tabs.xml
content/
status.xml
** all other content
Some devs expressed concern over the disruption the new layout will bring, and
whether there was really a "need" for a new layout. Eventually the discussion
just died out. IIUC, the bottomline is that we do need a layout change at some
point of time; it just didn't happen today.
Pipeline stages
---------------
Thorsten started a discussion on being able to request any stage of the
pipeline by itself. Cheche also gave some inputs on this. At some point the
discussion digressed to talk about naming (index.tab vs. index.nav.xml) and
other issues (site.xml is data or meta-data; role of editors and content
producers etc). I'm not sure if any concrete conlusion/decision came out of
this discussion.
Later on Ross and Tim got back to this discussion. Ross tossed the idea of
using Cocoon Views (not to be confused with forrest:views) as an alternate
mechanism for achieving the same goals.
Getting started on XHTML2
-------------------------
People got off to a start after a few initial hiccups. There were some issues
with namespace resolution; an initial stylesheet to convert XHTML2 to HTML was
picked up from etherealwake.com for boot strapping (thanks Google!) which
didn't seem to work all that well (lots of problems due to namespaces and the
template not matching anything).
David has been working on a relaxng schema for XHTML2 and validation using
Cocoon. Thorsten hit a bug with 'src' attribute on some Actions in LocationMap
(I really don't understand what this all means, just trying to hash stuff out
of the logs) and Tim committed a partial fix for it; meanwhile Ross continued
work on the pipelines.
Location Resolution (thanks Tim for these notes!)
-------------------------------------------------
As a part of the making deeper use of Locationmaps in the core Sitemaps with a
goal of letting locationmaps do all location resolution and letting sitemaps
stick to the pipeline processing. For those that are familiar with name
resolution servers or the Handles Service, it might be easier to think of the
locationmap as a name resolution module or sort of a handle resolution module
in that it accepts "names" or whatever you desire to call these "hints" and
returns the location.
The thought is that by using file name "looking" hints it disguises what
locationmaps are really doing for us. By using URN-style names, we are truly
disassociating the name/hint form the physical location.
For example, here is a locationmap entry based purely on filename:
<map:transform src="{lm:xhtml2html.xsl}"/>
and now below is that same entry using a "name" style. One implies a certain
physical location
where as the one below is truly a name that needs to be resolved to a physical
location.
<map:transform src="{lm:transform.xslt.xhtml2.html}"/>
The format is essentially:
resource-type(dot)transform-type(dot)from-format(dot)to-format
resource-type(dot)type(dot)name
Examples of these two:
transform.xslt.xthml2.html
graphic.png.project-logo
Views: naming and plugins
-------------------------
This came across multiple times in the discussion. There is a *strong* need to
set down (and stick with) a naming convention for views and related concepts.
Further, we also need to streamline views and reduce the number of plugins
involved. Ideally, enabling views should atmost use one or two plugins.
Core functionality
------------------
There was some discussion on what should go into the core and what should be
out of it. This has come up on the dev list as well before. IIRC, moving
forward with this plugin architecture it was envisaged that Forrest Core
should only provide the baseline infrastructure (outputting the internal
format and providing a plugin framework) -- all of the remaining functionality
should be split between input and output plugins.
Continuing this theme, moving forward, without *any* plugins, Forrest should
just output the XHTML2 subset that is our intermediate formats. The output
visible to end users (XHTML, PDF, Text, Voice) *should* go into output
plugins.
Things to do for XHTML2
-----------------------
o locationmaps not working in structurer.xmap
o templates: *.ft not being picked up
o theming/navigation not being done
o templates are in the wrong place
o views should be fully configurable by the project (see patch to
forrest-xcore.conf below. This *should not* be needed)
We didn't get any work done on JIRA at all this Tuesday though.
Diff to make the internal plugin work
-------------------------------------
Index: webapp/WEB-INF/xconf/forrest-core.xconf
===================================================================
--- webapp/WEB-INF/xconf/forrest-core.xconf (revision 279235)
+++ webapp/WEB-INF/xconf/forrest-core.xconf (working copy)
@@ -130,8 +130,10 @@
<whiteboard-plugins-src>@forrest.home@/whiteboard/plugins</whiteboard-plugins-src>
<plugins>@forrest.home@/build/plugins</plugins>
<locationmap>@context.home@/locationmap.xml</locationmap>
-
<view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view</view-internal>
-
<view-themes>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view/resources/views</view-themes>
+
<view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.xhtml2</view-internal>
+
<view-themes>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.xhtml2/resources/views</view-themes>
+
<!--<view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view</view-internal>-->
+
<!--<view-themes>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view/resources/views</view-themes>-->
<theme-ext>.fv</theme-ext>
<theme>default</theme>
</values>
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Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
The IRC log and Diwaker's summary are in SVN at
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/forrest/events/forrest-tuesdays/
-David
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Diwaker Gupta wrote:
This is really useful Diwaker - thanks.
> Topic: XHTML2 core and Jira cleanup
> ===================================
>
> Directory Structure and Configuration
> -------------------------------------
>
> Discussion regarding the directory structure surfaced briefly, but there was
> no consensus. It is an important issue that needs a little more discussion,
> that will perhaps be taken up in another FT (ForrestTuesday) or hopefully
> even earlier. This has been discussed earlier on the dev list:
(I wasn't present at this point... my added thoughts)
Directory structure is not important at this point since using the LM
enables us to change it at any time (documentation not withstanding).
I have no problem with us working with the suggested structure from the
archives.
> Some devs expressed concern over the disruption the new layout will bring, and
> whether there was really a "need" for a new layout. Eventually the discussion
> just died out. IIUC, the bottomline is that we do need a layout change at some
> point of time; it just didn't happen today.
Or not usig it ;-)
The LM will save the day (documentation excepted)
> Pipeline stages
> ---------------
>
> Thorsten started a discussion on being able to request any stage of the
> pipeline by itself. Cheche also gave some inputs on this. At some point the
> discussion digressed to talk about naming (index.tab vs. index.nav.xml) and
> other issues (site.xml is data or meta-data; role of editors and content
> producers etc). I'm not sure if any concrete conlusion/decision came out of
> this discussion.
>
> Later on Ross and Tim got back to this discussion. Ross tossed the idea of
> using Cocoon Views (not to be confused with forrest:views) as an alternate
> mechanism for achieving the same goals.
No, it was Tim sugesting views. I don't "get" what Tim is trying to
illustrate, he promised an example with respect to meta-data (one day)
My own view is that this part of the discussion was only relevant to the
old skinning system. In views we have no concept of body-**.html or
tabs-**.html. Instead we have named contracts.
To get a particular part of the a page you have two choices:
1) create a specific view for it (Thorsten and I discussed this the mail
archive is linked from the relevant part of the IRC log)
2) add a matcher that allows us to retrive the content of a specific
contract only
**NOTE** 2 is theory only, I have not thought it through
> Things to do for XHTML2
> -----------------------
>
> o locationmaps not working in structurer.xmap
> o templates: *.ft not being picked up
> o theming/navigation not being done
> o templates are in the wrong place
> o views should be fully configurable by the project (see patch to
> forrest-xcore.conf below. This *should not* be needed)
FallbackResolver needs to be replaced by Locationmap work Thorsten is
working on.
Ross
Re: Hardcoded values in forrest.xconf
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 19:57 +1000, David Crossley wrote:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> >
> > I did that hardcoding. Why not just add a new property to the
> > forrest.properties?
> >
> > So instead of hardcoding it again, why not using something like:
> > <view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/@project.viewPlugin@</view-internal>
>
> I recorded an issue for that during FT
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-664
> in case we forgot to get back to it.
>
> Yes it should be easy to do as you say.
>
> Sorry i added to Jira rathe rthan cleaning it up :-)
>
Which is perfectly alright.
Sorry I have not seen that issue. I should have read *all* mails before
replying to some. ;-)
Sorry for the noise and thanks David for already adding it.
> -David
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: Hardcoded values in forrest.xconf
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
>
> I did that hardcoding. Why not just add a new property to the
> forrest.properties?
>
> So instead of hardcoding it again, why not using something like:
> <view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/@project.viewPlugin@</view-internal>
I recorded an issue for that during FT
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FOR-664
in case we forgot to get back to it.
Yes it should be easy to do as you say.
Sorry i added to Jira rathe rthan cleaning it up :-)
-David
Hardcoded values in forrest.xconf
Posted by Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>.
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 00:27 -0700, Diwaker Gupta wrote:
> Diff to make the internal plugin work
> -------------------------------------
>
> Index: webapp/WEB-INF/xconf/forrest-core.xconf
> ===================================================================
> --- webapp/WEB-INF/xconf/forrest-core.xconf (revision 279235)
> +++ webapp/WEB-INF/xconf/forrest-core.xconf (working copy)
> @@ -130,8 +130,10 @@
>
> <whiteboard-plugins-src>@forrest.home@/whiteboard/plugins</whiteboard-plugins-src>
> <plugins>@forrest.home@/build/plugins</plugins>
> <locationmap>@context.home@/locationmap.xml</locationmap>
> -
> <view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view</view-internal>
> -
> <view-themes>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view/resources/views</view-themes>
> +
> <view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.xhtml2</view-internal>
> +
> <view-themes>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.xhtml2/resources/views</view-themes>
> +
> <!--<view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view</view-internal>-->
> +
> <!--<view-themes>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/org.apache.forrest.plugin.internal.view/resources/views</view-themes>-->
> <theme-ext>.fv</theme-ext>
> <theme>default</theme>
> </values>
>
I did that hardcoding. Why not just add a new property to the
forrest.properties?
So instead of hardcoding it again, why not using something like:
<view-internal>@forrest.home@/build/plugins/@project.viewPlugin@</view-internal>
salu2
--
thorsten
"Together we stand, divided we fall!"
Hey you (Pink Floyd)
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
>
> Thanks Diwaker for this summary. It really helped catch up after
> drifting off for a moonlight dinner with Jenny ...
>
>
>>For example, here is a locationmap entry based purely on filename:
>>
>> <map:transform src="{lm:xhtml2html.xsl}"/>
>>
>>and now below is that same entry using a "name" style. One implies a certain
>>physical location
>>where as the one below is truly a name that needs to be resolved to a physical
>>location.
>>
>> <map:transform src="{lm:transform.xslt.xhtml2.html}"/>
>>
>>The format is essentially:
>>resource-type(dot)transform-type(dot)from-format(dot)to-format
>>resource-type(dot)type(dot)name
>>
>>Examples of these two:
>>transform.xslt.xthml2.html
>>graphic.png.project-logo
>
>
> Is this format you describe the one and only way of using lm in
> Forrest now? In other words will all references to lm'ed resources use
> it? Or was it just an example?
Tim proposed this as the *recomended* way of using the locationmap. It
is not enforced in any way. We need to discuess this further, it was
somewhat of a snap decision that seems to make sense.
Ross
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ferdinand Soethe <fe...@apache.org>.
Thanks Diwaker for this summary. It really helped catch up after
drifting off for a moonlight dinner with Jenny ...
> For example, here is a locationmap entry based purely on filename:
>
> <map:transform src="{lm:xhtml2html.xsl}"/>
>
> and now below is that same entry using a "name" style. One implies a certain
> physical location
> where as the one below is truly a name that needs to be resolved to a physical
> location.
>
> <map:transform src="{lm:transform.xslt.xhtml2.html}"/>
>
> The format is essentially:
> resource-type(dot)transform-type(dot)from-format(dot)to-format
> resource-type(dot)type(dot)name
>
> Examples of these two:
> transform.xslt.xthml2.html
> graphic.png.project-logo
Is this format you describe the one and only way of using lm in
Forrest now? In other words will all references to lm'ed resources use
it? Or was it just an example?
--
Ferdinand Soethe
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by addi <ad...@rocktreesky.com>.
On Friday September 09 2005 3:41 am, Ross Gardler wrote:
> addi wrote:
> > On Thursday September 08 2005 5:15 pm, Ross Gardler wrote:
> >>>I also like cheches Interesting summary at:
> >>>http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
> >>>
> >>>made me laugh.
> >>
> >>That is cool, I would like to highlight one of the random quotes as I
> >>feel it is particularly important for the community:
> >>
> >>addi 49 "matter of fact I'm a brewer"
> >>
> >>In othr words, Addi is candidate number one to host our next get
> >>together (at least in my book - he brews good beer too).
> >
> > LOL, well if ApacheCon comes to Washington, DC you're all welcome to my
> > place. But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm
> > actually a she. :)
>
> Ooops - I'm sorry I made wrong assumptions (shame on me) - thanks for
> being understanding and putting a smiley in there, the joke is
> definetely on me..
>
> Ross
I am not easily offended and I know that maleness is sort of a general
assumption in the world (for many reasons) and particularly so in the
computer world. I do not judge harshly about it because I find myself and my
girlfriend do the same thing more often than we care to admit as well. It is
a deeply rooted assumption for many and is a concious work in progress to
modify.
- Addi
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
addi wrote:
> On Thursday September 08 2005 5:15 pm, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>>>I also like cheches Interesting summary at:
>>>http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
>>>
>>>made me laugh.
>>
>>That is cool, I would like to highlight one of the random quotes as I
>>feel it is particularly important for the community:
>>
>>addi 49 "matter of fact I'm a brewer"
>>
>>In othr words, Addi is candidate number one to host our next get
>>together (at least in my book - he brews good beer too).
>
>
> LOL, well if ApacheCon comes to Washington, DC you're all welcome to my place.
> But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm actually a
> she. :)
Ooops - I'm sorry I made wrong assumptions (shame on me) - thanks for
being understanding and putting a smiley in there, the joke is
definetely on me..
Ross
Re: ApacheCon US 2005 Documentathon (was Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary)
Posted by addi <ad...@rocktreesky.com>.
On Sunday September 11 2005 4:03 am, Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
> Time to move this to it's own thread with a distracting title (or
> we'll get too many people interested in trying that ale :-)
Yeah, I thought right after I sent my last one that I shoulda changed the
subject first...
>
> addi wrote:
> > On Saturday September 10 2005 5:07 am, Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
> >> >> But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm
> >> >> actually a she. :)
> >>
> >> I think we are getting a little distracted from the real issues here:
> >> DO you brew good beer of don't you? And will you bring some to SD?
> >
> > Yes, back to the point, I do brew good beer, assuming that you like good,
> > hearty ales of the IPA, bitter, stout variety and/or european wheat ales
> > (I'm not a big fan of American Wheats).
>
> My only frame of reference really are German beers, but I'm curious
> ...
Well most German beers are lagers and while I like them (especially a good
Marzen) I am not into brewing them as they have more complicated needs. As
for wheat beer, I'm talking weissbier/hefeweizen (Weihenstephaner is
considered a classic standard). I love dunkel weizen and wiezenbock but
haven't gotten around to brewing them myself yet.
>
> > since I don't think a
> > pressurized keg of beer is likely to go over well with the airlines. :)
>
> Yes, I was wondering about that. Given the current state of things you
> might end up getting free accommodation for a long time ;-)
>
> > You know, I find this very tempting. I would love to really be able to
> > contribute more to the project and a face-to-face sit down would
> > really get a
> > manual off to a good start.
>
> Yes and having people come there just for the purpose of doing that
> would probably keep me from going kayaking instead :-)
>
> > I don't think I can afford to actually go to the conference itself
> > (airfare, hotel AND the conference is a bit steep for me) but I may be
> > able to come out for a few days and do a "Social and Expo Pass" if they
> > offer it.
>
> Conference Fees:
>
> Well, last ApacheCon the Hackathons were scheduled the days before the
> conference so everybody could participate. And even though I'll
> probably have to do my half day tutorial during that time, that would
> still leave us quite some time to get things started.
>
That is ideal for me since I can come out for a long weekend instead of taking
off most of the week.
> If we found a free meeting place somewhere in SD we could even arrange
> for some open-for-all meetings before or after the conference. In
> Stuttgart the technical college was kind enough to host us, perhaps we
> could find something in SD as well?
>
> Who else is interested in joining this effort or attend a more general
> meeting? Diwaker?
>
> Accommodation:
>
> If it doesn't have to be a hotel, check out
> http://www.hospitalityclub.org/. It's a free hospitality exchange and
> works great for finding you a place to sleep for events like this. I
> just checked, there are 112 hosts in SD at this time, so accommodation
> should not become a major expense. In fact, I'll do that for the days
> that my accommodation is not covered by the conference budget.
Ah now that is cool. I have signed up. I think between inexpensive
accomodations and the timing of a long weekend, I can probably do this trip
pretty easily assuming no major things come up. Besides who can say no to a
few days in SD in December (when it is cold and wet at home)?
- Addi
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Diwaker Gupta <di...@apache.org>.
> Diwaker: How is public transportation in SD? If I stay at some cheapy hotel
> not down by the water will I be able to get to the conference easily?
It sucks mostly. If you're living in the downtown area (where motels
are likely to be not cheap), then you can get around on tram/bus.
Anywhere off and you can't get by without a car. But I'm always happy
to drive you around -- so keep that alternative in mind.
--
Web/Blog/Gallery: floatingsun.net
Re: ApacheCon US 2005 Documentathon (was Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary)
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
> Just a quick update:
>
> There will be a Hackathon on Dec 10 and 11 that is open to all people
> interested on working with us on Forrest documentation.
How about doing this using Gobby (assuming tests show that it is useful,
otherwise IRC)
I'm not sure I will be able to attend as I will be in Trinidad, however,
I'm there promoting Open Source in business. So I might be able to work
something out. Perhaps Anil and I can get together and have a our own
hackathon at the same time.
Ross
Re: ApacheCon US 2005 Documentathon (was Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary)
Posted by Ferdinand Soethe <fe...@apache.org>.
Just a quick update:
There will be a Hackathon on Dec 10 and 11 that is open to all people
interested on working with us on Forrest documentation.
My tutorial is scheduled for the morning of Dec 10 (if it happens),
after that I'd have time to join in for the rest of the day and the
day after.
Unfortunately it is not yet clear if enrollment for the tutorial is
high enough for it to take place and it might not be until Nov 12 so I
can't yet promise to be there before that.
--
Ferdinand Soethe
ApacheCon US 2005 Documentathon (was Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary)
Posted by Ferdinand Soethe <fe...@apache.org>.
Time to move this to it's own thread with a distracting title (or
we'll get too many people interested in trying that ale :-)
addi wrote:
> On Saturday September 10 2005 5:07 am, Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
>> >> But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm
>> >> actually a she. :)
>>
>> I think we are getting a little distracted from the real issues here:
>> DO you brew good beer of don't you? And will you bring some to SD?
> Yes, back to the point, I do brew good beer, assuming that you like good,
> hearty ales of the IPA, bitter, stout variety and/or european wheat ales (I'm
> not a big fan of American Wheats).
My only frame of reference really are German beers, but I'm curious
...
> since I don't think a
> pressurized keg of beer is likely to go over well with the airlines. :)
Yes, I was wondering about that. Given the current state of things you
might end up getting free accommodation for a long time ;-)
> You know, I find this very tempting. I would love to really be able to
> contribute more to the project and a face-to-face sit down would
> really get a
> manual off to a good start.
Yes and having people come there just for the purpose of doing that
would probably keep me from going kayaking instead :-)
> I don't think I can afford to actually go to the conference itself (airfare,
> hotel AND the conference is a bit steep for me) but I may be able to come out
> for a few days and do a "Social and Expo Pass" if they offer it.
Conference Fees:
Well, last ApacheCon the Hackathons were scheduled the days before the
conference so everybody could participate. And even though I'll
probably have to do my half day tutorial during that time, that would
still leave us quite some time to get things started.
If we found a free meeting place somewhere in SD we could even arrange
for some open-for-all meetings before or after the conference. In
Stuttgart the technical college was kind enough to host us, perhaps we
could find something in SD as well?
Who else is interested in joining this effort or attend a more general
meeting? Diwaker?
Accommodation:
If it doesn't have to be a hotel, check out
http://www.hospitalityclub.org/. It's a free hospitality exchange and
works great for finding you a place to sleep for events like this. I
just checked, there are 112 hosts in SD at this time, so accommodation
should not become a major expense. In fact, I'll do that for the days
that my accommodation is not covered by the conference budget.
--
Ferdinand Soethe
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by addi <ad...@rocktreesky.com>.
On Saturday September 10 2005 5:07 am, Ferdinand Soethe wrote:
> >> But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm
> >> actually a she. :)
>
> I think we are getting a little distracted from the real issues here:
> DO you brew good beer of don't you? And will you bring some to SD?
Yes, back to the point, I do brew good beer, assuming that you like good,
hearty ales of the IPA, bitter, stout variety and/or european wheat ales (I'm
not a big fan of American Wheats). As for bringing some to SD that would
depend on whether I am going and if I have any brew ready at the time. I
normally just keg my beer and bypass the whole bottling mess, but an
exception could be made to share with friends since I don't think a
pressurized keg of beer is likely to go over well with the airlines. :)
>
> But more seriously: This might be a good opportunity to have a
> Hackathon focused on getting the structure for our Forrest manual
> started?
You know, I find this very tempting. I would love to really be able to
contribute more to the project and a face-to-face sit down would really get a
manual off to a good start.
I don't think I can afford to actually go to the conference itself (airfare,
hotel AND the conference is a bit steep for me) but I may be able to come out
for a few days and do a "Social and Expo Pass" if they offer it. I will be
spending a decent chunk of money and leave time from work starting next
weekend to go down to Texas to help with Katrina relief effort as a volunteer
so I will have to assess the real possibility of SD once I return in October.
Hopefully they will get the details about the conference posted relatively
soon so I can more accurately assess what I can do.
Diwaker: How is public transportation in SD? If I stay at some cheapy hotel
not down by the water will I be able to get to the conference easily?
>
> --
> Ferdinand Soethe
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ferdinand Soethe <fe...@apache.org>.
Diwaker Gupta wrote:
> I live in San Diego :-) So I'm definitely going to be there (modulo
> certain unexpected events in my calendar).
Hey, good to hear that. I didn't like the idea of being the only
committer there at all.
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Ferdinand Soethe
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Diwaker Gupta <di...@apache.org>.
> Can you bring a supply to the upcoming ApacheCon
> in San Diego? :-)
>
> That is only partially a joke. At least Ferdinand
> is going to be there, maybe more of us. It would be
> great to have other Forrest developers and users.
I live in San Diego :-) So I'm definitely going to be there (modulo
certain unexpected events in my calendar).
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Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ferdinand Soethe <fe...@apache.org>.
>> But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm actually a
>> she. :)
I think we are getting a little distracted from the real issues here:
DO you brew good beer of don't you? And will you bring some to SD?
But more seriously: This might be a good opportunity to have a
Hackathon focused on getting the structure for our Forrest manual
started?
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Ferdinand Soethe
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@apache.org>.
addi wrote:
> Ross Gardler wrote:
> > > I also like cheches Interesting summary at:
> > > http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
> > >
> > > made me laugh.
> >
> > That is cool, I would like to highlight one of the random quotes as I
> > feel it is particularly important for the community:
> >
> > addi 49 "matter of fact I'm a brewer"
> >
> > In othr words, Addi is candidate number one to host our next get
> > together (at least in my book - he brews good beer too).
>
> LOL, well if ApacheCon comes to Washington, DC you're all welcome to my place.
Can you bring a supply to the upcoming ApacheCon
in San Diego? :-)
That is only partially a joke. At least Ferdinand
is going to be there, maybe more of us. It would be
great to have other Forrest developers and users.
> But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm actually a
> she. :)
You could have saved that shock and gained a great
laugh when we did meet you. Still i laugh now.
Isn't it strange how we assume an online person
to be male. I can see why. Historically, most of
the particpants in opensource projects are male.
Still that is no excuse to assume. Names are safer.
I know that people need another mailing list
like a hole in the head, but we have a new list
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/www-women/
which was formed to talk about why there are
not more females involved in opensource and how
to address that situation at Apache. Even though
ASF projects are nice communities, and i find
Apache Forrest to be especially so, we want to
make them even more welcoming.
-David
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by addi <ad...@rocktreesky.com>.
On Thursday September 08 2005 5:15 pm, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > I also like cheches Interesting summary at:
> > http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
> >
> > made me laugh.
>
> That is cool, I would like to highlight one of the random quotes as I
> feel it is particularly important for the community:
>
> addi 49 "matter of fact I'm a brewer"
>
> In othr words, Addi is candidate number one to host our next get
> together (at least in my book - he brews good beer too).
LOL, well if ApacheCon comes to Washington, DC you're all welcome to my place.
But I should warn you, so you're not shocked if you meet me, I'm actually a
she. :)
>
> Cheche - thanks for getting Jenny to work so hard.
>
> Ross
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>.
Gav.... wrote:
> Diwaker, great summary and gives us all
> an idea of what to do next and how to
> catch up.
+10000 - thanks for taking the time - this was *very* important.
> I also like cheches Interesting summary at:
> http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
>
> made me laugh.
That is cool, I would like to highlight one of the random quotes as I
feel it is particularly important for the community:
addi 49 "matter of fact I'm a brewer"
In othr words, Addi is candidate number one to host our next get
together (at least in my book - he brews good beer too).
Cheche - thanks for getting Jenny to work so hard.
Ross
Re: [FT] 2005-09-06 Summary
Posted by "Gav...." <br...@brightontown.com.au>.
Diwaker, great summary and gives us all
an idea of what to do next and how to
catch up.
I also like cheches Interesting summary at:
http://casa.che-che.com/~bot/forrest/
made me laugh.
Gav...
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