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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by "Barth (John) Jones" <mu...@alltel.net> on 2004/06/04 16:54:22 UTC
[users@httpd] comment on etiquette
OK, perhaps I qualify as an idiot because technical stuff isn't my PRIMARY interest. Or perhaps I qualify as a student since it IS ONE OF my primary interests. OK, here are some questions that might make you think (I have others, but some of my questions are classified/trade secrets). On the other hand they may be rather easy questions for people with expertise like the folks on this forum.
1. Why in the world isn't there some memory medium that can be accessed as fast as DRAM but is actually a permanent memory medium like a drive (that could replace both)?
2. Why does every text and every course start with the CPU instead of the Power supply? In order for "newbies" to understand computers they need to understand the basics of the technical stuff, including what a zero or one really is.
3. Why do people say that the lowest language is binary when it's actually the 110 volts running through your house? The next lowest is your three voltages running from your transformer to your power supply, etc.
Re: [users@httpd] OFF-TOPIC (was Re: [users@httpd] comment on etiquette)
Posted by Eugene Lee <li...@fsck.net>.
On Sat, Jun 05, 2004 at 11:57:54AM +0200, Robert Andersson wrote:
:
: So, don't worry if your questions are "hard" or not, rather how they and
: yourself is presented, and all will be well.
It's the never-ending stereotypical universal struggle between the
demanding-clueless-newbie vs. rtfm-arrogant-smarty. And somewhere
in the middle lies the rest of us. :-)
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Re: [users@httpd] OFF-TOPIC (was Re: [users@httpd] comment on etiquette)
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
Barth (John) Jones wrote:
> Sorry, we started on Apache, which led to the page on etiquette. The
> page on etiquette used words like, "idiot" and suggested that to be a
> "winner", as opposed to an "idiot" users should ask questions that make
> the techies think. But if I'm only at a "newbie" level of Apache how can
> I make techies think if every Q is explicitly on topic?
Yes, your post (this one) actually made me think some :)
However, that does not mean that a question needs to difficult or hard to
answer. Different levels of "techies" also find different questions
challanging. Most (or at least a lot) of the things I know about Apache
comes from research when I've answered questions!
Even though the "make techies think" aspect is important, I don't find it to
be the most important factor in how the person/question is recieved. A
person (newbie or not) who has made a lot of incorrect and stupid
assumptions and then demand someone else to fix their problem, I think "f*ck
you". A newbie who is truely lost and tries to express his/hers situation as
well as possible, while also displaying a willingness to do their part (eg.
learn), I think "hope we can help this guy".
So, don't worry if your questions are "hard" or not, rather how they and
yourself is presented, and all will be well.
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] OFF-TOPIC (was Re: [users@httpd] comment on etiquette)
Posted by "Barth (John) Jones" <mu...@alltel.net>.
Sorry, we started on Apache, which led to the page on etiquette. The page
on etiquette used words like, "idiot" and suggested that to be a "winner",
as opposed to an "idiot" users should ask questions that make the techies
think. But if I'm only at a "newbie" level of Apache how can I make techies
think if every Q is explicitly on topic? Do you understand what I'm saying?
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From: "Eugene Lee" <li...@fsck.net>
To: <us...@httpd.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:03 PM
Subject: [users@httpd] OFF-TOPIC (was Re: [users@httpd] comment on
etiquette)
> The Subject: line is off-topic. The posting itself is off-topic.
> And the Subject: line does not describe the posting. Does this
> have anything to do with Apache?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:54:22AM -0400, Barth (John) Jones wrote:
> :
> : OK, perhaps I qualify as an idiot because technical stuff isn't my
> : PRIMARY interest. Or perhaps I qualify as a student since it IS ONE
> : OF my primary interests. OK, here are some questions that might make
> : you think (I have others, but some of my questions are
> : classified/trade secrets). On the other hand they may be rather easy
> : questions for people with expertise like the folks on this forum.
> :
> : 1. Why in the world isn't there some memory medium that can be
> : accessed as fast as DRAM but is actually a permanent memory medium
> : like a drive (that could replace both)?
> :
> : 2. Why does every text and every course start with the CPU instead of
> : the Power supply? In order for "newbies" to understand computers they
> : need to understand the basics of the technical stuff, including what a
> : zero or one really is.
> :
> : 3. Why do people say that the lowest language is binary when it's
> : actually the 110 volts running through your house? The next lowest is
> : your three voltages running from your transformer to your power
> : supply, etc.
>
>
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> Eugene Lee
>
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[users@httpd] OFF-TOPIC (was Re: [users@httpd] comment on etiquette)
Posted by Eugene Lee <li...@fsck.net>.
The Subject: line is off-topic. The posting itself is off-topic.
And the Subject: line does not describe the posting. Does this
have anything to do with Apache?
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:54:22AM -0400, Barth (John) Jones wrote:
:
: OK, perhaps I qualify as an idiot because technical stuff isn't my
: PRIMARY interest. Or perhaps I qualify as a student since it IS ONE
: OF my primary interests. OK, here are some questions that might make
: you think (I have others, but some of my questions are
: classified/trade secrets). On the other hand they may be rather easy
: questions for people with expertise like the folks on this forum.
:
: 1. Why in the world isn't there some memory medium that can be
: accessed as fast as DRAM but is actually a permanent memory medium
: like a drive (that could replace both)?
:
: 2. Why does every text and every course start with the CPU instead of
: the Power supply? In order for "newbies" to understand computers they
: need to understand the basics of the technical stuff, including what a
: zero or one really is.
:
: 3. Why do people say that the lowest language is binary when it's
: actually the 110 volts running through your house? The next lowest is
: your three voltages running from your transformer to your power
: supply, etc.
--
Eugene Lee
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Re: [users@httpd] comment on etiquette
Posted by "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr." <jn...@joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org>.
On Fri, Jun 04, 2004 at 10:54:22AM -0400, Barth (John) Jones wrote the following:
<snip>
> 2. Why does every text and every course start with the CPU instead of the
> Power supply? In order for "newbies" to understand computers they need to
> understand the basics of the technical stuff, including what a zero or one
> really is.
The power supply doesn't process any instruction sets. It provides power,
hence it's name.
> 3. Why do people say that the lowest language is binary when it's
> actually the 110 volts running through your house? The next lowest is
> your three voltages running from your transformer to your power supply,
> etc.
Electricity isn't a language, binary is.
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