Re: Weekly conference call - thoughts

[Sachin Patel <sp...@gmail.com>]

I'm a little surprised that this got shutdown so quickly. :) Whats the 
harm in attempting one or two calls to see how they go? Now I'm not a 
huge fan of conference calls either, but it very well may turn out to be 
extremely effective.  Just because it wasn't a positive experience in 
the past  doesn't mean that it won't be effective for this community :).

The Eclipse Web Tools project has weekly telecons open to anyone in the 
community, and after discussing with a few of their attendees they 
provided me with positive feedback.  Their primary use of it is to open 
and follow up with action items for people and it was much easier to do 
this on a call rather then a dev list.  The minutes of the meeting are 
then posted on the dev list.

I personally think the more ways to communicate with the community, the 
better.  So +1 from me for atleast trying it out once.

Thats my take :)

Sachin

Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> Rodent of Unusual Size wrote, On 10/29/2005 1:57 PM:
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>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
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>>> I love an e-mail that elicites opinions :)
>>>
>>> Ok, I give.  I personally hate typing and was looking for an alternative
>>> for folks.  Sounds like there is moderate interest and strong disdain so
>>> I'll withdraw the proposal.
>>>     
>>
>> I think I was the only one strongly opposed, and I was
>> expressing my opinion based on experience.  Anything that
>> excludes people as a matter of principle isn't good.  I
>> think making it an institutional thing is a really bad
>> idea.  If everyone else thinks it's grand, go ahead --
>> but review occasionally to make sure everyone still
>> feels that way as new people join the list. :-)
> You are not the only one who is strongly opposed.  I also am opposed to 
> this.  (sorry about the tardy reply, we're in the process of moving)
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> 
> 

Re: Weekly conference call - thoughts

[Bill Stoddard <bi...@wstoddard.com>]

Jeff Genender wrote:
> I have to say I am opposed as well.  IMHO a telecon is not fair to those 
> who live in places where the time is not convenient.  There are also 
> folks who are contributors who may not be able to engage in a such a 
> call because their jobs do not allow them to take part (rules using 
> phones, job duties, etc).
> 
> Although this may be an additional way to communicate with the 
> community, many folks may not have the opportunity to participate, and I 
> am not sure that it is community oriented.  

Jeff, your right, conference calls are not community oriented, and that's the main problem, imho. Apache != 
Eclipse and you'll find most folks in the Apache community would agree.

ApacheCon is coming up in december; that's a great opportunity to host a f2f hack-a-thon. You'll get a little 
bit done but build some very good working relationships going forward. Once you meet someone face to face, 
it's a bit more difficult to forget there's a real person behind the keyboard and that tends to make on-list 
interactions a bit more civil.

> With our lists, there is no 
> barrier to engaging and contribution.
> 
> Just my .02.

+1

> 
> Jeff

Bill

Re: Weekly conference call - thoughts

[Jeff Genender <jg...@savoirtech.com>]

I have to say I am opposed as well.  IMHO a telecon is not fair to those 
who live in places where the time is not convenient.  There are also 
folks who are contributors who may not be able to engage in a such a 
call because their jobs do not allow them to take part (rules using 
phones, job duties, etc).

Although this may be an additional way to communicate with the 
community, many folks may not have the opportunity to participate, and I 
am not sure that it is community oriented.  With our lists, there is no 
barrier to engaging and contribution.

Just my .02.

Jeff

Sachin Patel wrote:
> I'm a little surprised that this got shutdown so quickly. :) Whats the 
> harm in attempting one or two calls to see how they go? Now I'm not a 
> huge fan of conference calls either, but it very well may turn out to be 
> extremely effective.  Just because it wasn't a positive experience in 
> the past  doesn't mean that it won't be effective for this community :).
> 
> The Eclipse Web Tools project has weekly telecons open to anyone in the 
> community, and after discussing with a few of their attendees they 
> provided me with positive feedback.  Their primary use of it is to open 
> and follow up with action items for people and it was much easier to do 
> this on a call rather then a dev list.  The minutes of the meeting are 
> then posted on the dev list.
> 
> I personally think the more ways to communicate with the community, the 
> better.  So +1 from me for atleast trying it out once.
> 
> Thats my take :)
> 
> Sachin
> 
> Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>> Rodent of Unusual Size wrote, On 10/29/2005 1:57 PM:
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>>> Hash: SHA1
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>>> Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>  
>>>> I love an e-mail that elicites opinions :)
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I give.  I personally hate typing and was looking for an 
>>>> alternative
>>>> for folks.  Sounds like there is moderate interest and strong 
>>>> disdain so
>>>> I'll withdraw the proposal.
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I think I was the only one strongly opposed, and I was
>>> expressing my opinion based on experience.  Anything that
>>> excludes people as a matter of principle isn't good.  I
>>> think making it an institutional thing is a really bad
>>> idea.  If everyone else thinks it's grand, go ahead --
>>> but review occasionally to make sure everyone still
>>> feels that way as new people join the list. :-)
>> You are not the only one who is strongly opposed.  I also am opposed 
>> to this.  (sorry about the tardy reply, we're in the process of moving)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>>
>>