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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by NG <no...@e.email.INVALID> on 2022/07/08 11:22:21 UTC
Installation
Hello,
I'm writing in the hope the dev team will take notice of my feedback,
and hopefully change the instructions for novice Linux users who are not
geeks, have no intention of ever becoming one and would appreciate
installations as easy as clicking on an exe file, especially if they've
migrated from Windows, which is the case for many people as Linux is
still not widely known, and if people have heard of it, the perception
is it's by geeks for geeks, which your instructions confirm!
"2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory.
You should see a lot of debs here and one sub-directory called
"desktop-integration"."
A novice new to Linux is unlikely to know what "cd" means, nor what
he/she is supposed to do and even less how to get to the DEBS or RPMS
directory as was my case in the beginning! Having to spend hours trying
to understand what such instructions mean will more than likely result
in them giving up, or try a different app with more user-friendly
installation, or use the one included in whichever distro they've opted
for, which nowadays is predominantly Libre Office, which is what I ended
up doing for a long time.
A much easier way to install quickly and effortlessly is by using
"Discover", which should be the default installation app in all distros!
Here is all a novice has to do for Linux DEB-based installation:
1. download Apache OpenOffice tar.gz package;
2. extract all files in the tar.gz package with Ark (easily installed
with Discover) and select "open destination folder after extraction";
3. open "DEBS" then "desktop-integration" double click on
"openoffice4.1-debian-menus_4.1.12-9809_all" this will automatically
launch Discover;
4. click on "install" enter root password, OpenOffice will appear in
Application Menu "Office" ready for use, simple!
I don't know whether this method works with non DEB-based distros as
I've never used such distros...
Regards,
G
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Re: Installation
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>.
At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
>Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG:
>>"2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory.
>
>'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems.
Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration
from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up
since those days.
Brian Barker
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Re: Installation
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>.
At 12:19 08/07/2022 -0400, Keith N. McKenna wrote:
>Brian Barker wrote:
>>At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
>>>Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG:
>>>>"2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory.
>>>
>>>'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems.
>>Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about
>>migration from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they
>>have grown up since those days.
>>Brian Barker
>
>Today it is called the Command Prompt ...
Er, I know that.
>... and I do use it regularly to do an administrative install of AOO
>to do QA on changes to verify a bur, or bugs were solved.
Yes: *you* do - and Linux users apparently need to. But the average
Windows user does everything they need without resorting to command
prompts and typing commands. The original question was about
(average?) Windows users not knowing what "cd" meant or how to use
it. What happens in DOS is hardly relevant.
Here's a couple of thoughts:
When you have composed a new e-mail message on your mobile phone, (1)
how do you bring up a command prompt, and (2) what command do you
then type in order to send the message?
When using the self check-out at the supermarket, how do you bring up
a command prompt - and indeed a Qwerty keyboard - in order to type
"415g Heinz Beanz Baked Beans"?
Windows is as grown-up as these other modern devices. The audience
for the installation instructions being discussed is likely to be
people who simply don't need to type commands in their lives.
Brian Barker
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Re: Installation
Posted by F Campos Costero <fj...@gmail.com>.
The instructions in the following forum tutorial may be a little easier for
Linux novices:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=50119
Regards,
Francis
On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 12:21 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> NG talked about making the instructions for installing AOO on Linux more
> clear for the end user.
> E.g. "cd" could be explained as "change to the directory". That's
> something we should think about...
>
> However, since AOO is not part of any repository (I know of) it now has
> to be installed by hand.
>
> This is a headache, given the numerous distributions and desktop
> environments. It may be even more stressful when "another" Office
> package is already installed as default.
>
> Andrea Pescetti had an interesting talk at FOSDEM 2022 about Linux
> packaging:
>
> https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/openoffice_linux_packaging/
>
> If we want to have an "easy to install" package for Linux we need to do
> something in this respect.
>
> Otherwise AOO will remain with 1-2% users that download for Linux.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
> Am 08.07.22 um 20:05 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
> > Hello,
> >
> > NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb
> > packages.
> >
> > Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as
> > in free speech not as in free beer.
> >
> > If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect,
> > that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you.
> >
> > So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn.
> >
> > And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command
> > line and the package tools of the distribution of your choice.
> >
> > And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after
> > 'man' ;-) ).
> >
> > If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can
> > pay for installing AOO on your computer.
> >
> > Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should
> > not offer bondage.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Michael
>
>
Re: Installation
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi,
NG talked about making the instructions for installing AOO on Linux more
clear for the end user.
E.g. "cd" could be explained as "change to the directory". That's
something we should think about...
However, since AOO is not part of any repository (I know of) it now has
to be installed by hand.
This is a headache, given the numerous distributions and desktop
environments. It may be even more stressful when "another" Office
package is already installed as default.
Andrea Pescetti had an interesting talk at FOSDEM 2022 about Linux
packaging:
https://fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/openoffice_linux_packaging/
If we want to have an "easy to install" package for Linux we need to do
something in this respect.
Otherwise AOO will remain with 1-2% users that download for Linux.
Regards,
Matthias
Am 08.07.22 um 20:05 schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann:
> Hello,
>
> NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb
> packages.
>
> Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as
> in free speech not as in free beer.
>
> If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect,
> that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you.
>
> So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn.
>
> And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command
> line and the package tools of the distribution of your choice.
>
> And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after
> 'man' ;-) ).
>
> If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can
> pay for installing AOO on your computer.
>
> Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should
> not offer bondage.
>
> Kind regards
> Michael
Re: Installation
Posted by "Dr. Michael Stehmann" <an...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>.
Hello,
NG talked about a GNU/Linux user who wants to install RPM or deb packages.
Linux != Windows and Linux is not a Windows for poors. It is free as in
free speech not as in free beer.
If you want to use a Free Software operating system you can't expect,
that the developers want to infantilize or domineer over you.
So you have to make your own decisions and that means you have to learn.
And one of the first thinks you have to learn is using the command line
and the package tools of the distribution of your choice.
And 'cd' is one of the first lessons you have to learn (right after
'man' ;-) ).
If you don't want to learn: No problem: You will find people you can pay
for installing AOO on your computer.
Freedom may be stressfull, but people developing Free Software should
not offer bondage.
Kind regards
Michael
Re: Installation
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
Brian Barker wrote:
> At 15:21 08/07/2022 +0200, Dr. Michael Stehmann wrote:
>> Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG:
>>> "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory.
>>
>> 'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems.
>
> Does anyone still use DOS?! The original question was about migration
> from Windows. Windows users do not type commands: they have grown up
> since those days.
>
> Brian Barker
Brian;
Today it is called the Command Prompt and I do use it regularly to do an
administrative install of AOO to do QA on changes to verify a bur, or
bugs were solved.
Regards
Keith
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Re: Installation
Posted by "Dr. Michael Stehmann" <an...@rechtsanwalt-stehmann.de>.
Hello,
just some remarks:
Am 08.07.22 um 13:22 schrieb NG:
> Hello,
>
> "2. cd into the DEBS or RPMS subdirectory of the installation directory.
> You should see a lot of debs here and one sub-directory called
> "desktop-integration"."
>
> A novice new to Linux is unlikely to know what "cd" means,
'cd' does the same in DOS like it does in unix like operation systems.
>
> A much easier way to install quickly and effortlessly is by using
> "Discover", which should be the default installation app in all distros!
>
In Debian 'discover' is hardware identification system.
See https://wiki.debian.org/discover
Kind regards
Michael