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Interoperability
Hi all,
I have been mandated to make an AOO presentation in a class of a technical
school next Thursday. As those people are exclusively working with MS
Office, I'd like to know where we actually are with the issue of
interoperability. Is it an ongoing work, is it planned to have in the
future the exportation function to MS OO XML format or if this project has
been abandoned. This issue will be certainly adressed and I'm not clear
with the current situation in this area.
Many thanks for all information
A+
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
Another suggestion:
Something that has come up on the Forum is the size of grid points when using grid on Writer. They are one pixel in size and with modern hi-res displays the grid is effectively invisible. The relevant thread is
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=75861
and Bernard Marcelly has indicated that the relevant issue is
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=58046
It might be a simple code tweak to relate grid pointsize to the output resolution.
I remark that I have never used grid display on Writer, but I can understand that if one were creating a frame-based layout one might find a visible grid a good facility.
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
Another suggestion:
Hanya wrote a macro to change Footnotes into sidenotes (and back, as far as I remember). This could be incorporated into Writer and perhaps even extended to permit the three note types - foot-, end- and site-notes. Hanya's macro is at
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=43956&p=203468#p203468
Also needed is a method (available in Libreoffice, I understand) of printing pages with the Comments in position, rather than at page end (when comment printing is requested in Print dialog).
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:55:07 +0100
Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Rory,
>
> OK, thanks, added to the todo list.
>
> A+
> --
> gw
Another suggestion: Some method of implementing Parallel Columns as are often used in textual analysis. Such columns differ from OO's normal column structure, where at page end the text flows to the top of next column (Newspaper columns).
In Parallel columns the flow is to the same column on the next page. Such structure is often used (for example) in comparison of differing versions of a text, or in discussion of a translation, where the original might be in one column, the translation in the adjoining column, and a commentary in a third column.
>
> 2015-03-09 8:37 GMT+01:00 Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>:
>
> > On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 23:18:11 +0100
> > Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Marcus,
> > >
> > > 2015-03-08 16:33 GMT+01:00 Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean with boring subject? Education? I hope it's not seen
> > as
> > > > boring because it is the key for everything in our life. ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > > I mean that I'm discussing about extensions which is a little off topics
> > > here. But I need a list of possible students projects to submit in June.
> > > Development or maintaining of existing discontinued extensions could be a
> > > possibility.
> > >
> > > A+
> > > --
> > > gw
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> >
> > You might look at AuthorSupportTool (originated as a University of Bremen
> > project) at
> > http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/authorsupporttool
> >
> > This is in Java (source available) and might be converted to compile for
> > OO 4.1.1 (simple - I did that; then there was some change and the compile
> > stopped working - real life and insufficient Java knowledge prevented me
> > returning to this) and possibly extended in the light of Bugzilla 3959 and
> > my suggestion at Bugzilla 124984
> > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959
> > https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124984
> >
> > A comment on the AuthorSupportTool - it seems to me that this tools was
> > intended to offer a standard package to students in a department to serve
> > as a basis for preparation of their papers.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
> >
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rory,
OK, thanks, added to the todo list.
A+
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2015-03-09 8:37 GMT+01:00 Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>:
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 23:18:11 +0100
> Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Marcus,
> >
> > 2015-03-08 16:33 GMT+01:00 Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > >
> > > What do you mean with boring subject? Education? I hope it's not seen
> as
> > > boring because it is the key for everything in our life. ;-)
> >
> >
> > I mean that I'm discussing about extensions which is a little off topics
> > here. But I need a list of possible students projects to submit in June.
> > Development or maintaining of existing discontinued extensions could be a
> > possibility.
> >
> > A+
> > --
> > gw
> >
> >
> > >
>
> You might look at AuthorSupportTool (originated as a University of Bremen
> project) at
> http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/authorsupporttool
>
> This is in Java (source available) and might be converted to compile for
> OO 4.1.1 (simple - I did that; then there was some change and the compile
> stopped working - real life and insufficient Java knowledge prevented me
> returning to this) and possibly extended in the light of Bugzilla 3959 and
> my suggestion at Bugzilla 124984
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124984
>
> A comment on the AuthorSupportTool - it seems to me that this tools was
> intended to offer a standard package to students in a department to serve
> as a basis for preparation of their papers.
>
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>
Re: Interoperability
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 23:18:11 +0100
Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Marcus,
>
> 2015-03-08 16:33 GMT+01:00 Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>:
>
> [...]
>
> >
> > What do you mean with boring subject? Education? I hope it's not seen as
> > boring because it is the key for everything in our life. ;-)
>
>
> I mean that I'm discussing about extensions which is a little off topics
> here. But I need a list of possible students projects to submit in June.
> Development or maintaining of existing discontinued extensions could be a
> possibility.
>
> A+
> --
> gw
>
>
> >
You might look at AuthorSupportTool (originated as a University of Bremen project) at
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/authorsupporttool
This is in Java (source available) and might be converted to compile for OO 4.1.1 (simple - I did that; then there was some change and the compile stopped working - real life and insufficient Java knowledge prevented me returning to this) and possibly extended in the light of Bugzilla 3959 and my suggestion at Bugzilla 124984
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=3959
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124984
A comment on the AuthorSupportTool - it seems to me that this tools was intended to offer a standard package to students in a department to serve as a basis for preparation of their papers.
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Marcus,
2015-03-08 16:33 GMT+01:00 Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>:
[...]
>
> What do you mean with boring subject? Education? I hope it's not seen as
> boring because it is the key for everything in our life. ;-)
I mean that I'm discussing about extensions which is a little off topics
here. But I need a list of possible students projects to submit in June.
Development or maintaining of existing discontinued extensions could be a
possibility.
A+
--
gw
>
Re: Interoperability
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 03/08/2015 11:13 AM, schrieb Guy Waterval:
> Hi Marcus,
> Hi all,
>
> 2015-03-06 18:45 GMT+01:00 Marcus<ma...@wtnet.de>:
>
> [...]
>
>>
>>> Maybe it's a bit difficult to still find an interesting topic because of
>>> the hugh amount of extensions. But it is indeed a great start into
>>> OpenOffice development.
>>>
>>
> You are right but there are perhaps also the possibility to restart the
> work on an abandoned extension (if the original work was under a free
> licence) or to create a new one based on an already existing but
> discontinued software.
> For examples :
> - OpenCards is a flashcards program using Impress. Its developement as an
> extension for OpenOffice is abandoned. Only a standalone version is
> maintained.
good idea to try to continue software where is makes sense - and the
author allows it.
> - The Guide is an abandoned standalone outliner software under Alv2.0
> licence. Perhaps an opportunity to convert it as an OpenOffice extension. I
> don't think there is an existing outliner extension.
> http://theguide.sourceforge.net/
>
> Perhaps such projects have a suitable size for a student project.
>
> I know that I'm a little boring with this kind of subject, but I'm standing
> out before an Engineering school. Some students have unlocked the door and
> given me "the way" to the key person for this kind of work. But It's
> important to come with a clear proposition to have a chance to see it
> integrated to the list of the students projects.
What do you mean with boring subject? Education? I hope it's not seen as
boring because it is the key for everything in our life. ;-)
Marcus
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Marcus,
Hi all,
2015-03-06 18:45 GMT+01:00 Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>:
[...]
>
>> Maybe it's a bit difficult to still find an interesting topic because of
>> the hugh amount of extensions. But it is indeed a great start into
>> OpenOffice development.
>>
>
You are right but there are perhaps also the possibility to restart the
work on an abandoned extension (if the original work was under a free
licence) or to create a new one based on an already existing but
discontinued software.
For examples :
- OpenCards is a flashcards program using Impress. Its developement as an
extension for OpenOffice is abandoned. Only a standalone version is
maintained.
- The Guide is an abandoned standalone outliner software under Alv2.0
licence. Perhaps an opportunity to convert it as an OpenOffice extension. I
don't think there is an existing outliner extension.
http://theguide.sourceforge.net/
Perhaps such projects have a suitable size for a student project.
I know that I'm a little boring with this kind of subject, but I'm standing
out before an Engineering school. Some students have unlocked the door and
given me "the way" to the key person for this kind of work. But It's
important to come with a clear proposition to have a chance to see it
integrated to the list of the students projects.
Regards
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gw
Re: Interoperability
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 03/06/2015 04:02 PM, schrieb Guy Waterval:
> Hi Kay, Marcus and all,
>
> Somebody found the ribbon more modern than the organisation of the commands
> in AOO. But he was alone to make this remark. Others seemed more interested
interesting to still see/read this. It was already the case in the old
Sun/Oracle days. Some users wanted to have ribbons like in MS Office but
the very big majority of the users didn't liked it and therefore
declined any development in this direction. ;-)
> by the extensions mechanism, the sidebar, the use of the styles and the
> portability of the application. I have given an usb key with AOO portable
> and preconfigurated (templates, cliparts, complete documentation and a set
> of tested extensions) to each participant.
> I wonder if the extensions developpement couldn't be a practicable way to
> begin some collaboration with engineer highschools and universities. After
Maybe it's a bit difficult to still find an interesting topic because of
the hugh amount of extensions. But it is indeed a great start into
OpenOffice development.
Marcus
> a little investigation in this area it seems they need a clear definition
> of the goal to can integrate the job in a list of student projects. This is
> perhaps more easy to do with extensions where you have the double
> possibility to create a new one or ameliorate an existing one.
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kay, Marcus and all,
Somebody found the ribbon more modern than the organisation of the commands
in AOO. But he was alone to make this remark. Others seemed more interested
by the extensions mechanism, the sidebar, the use of the styles and the
portability of the application. I have given an usb key with AOO portable
and preconfigurated (templates, cliparts, complete documentation and a set
of tested extensions) to each participant.
I wonder if the extensions developpement couldn't be a practicable way to
begin some collaboration with engineer highschools and universities. After
a little investigation in this area it seems they need a clear definition
of the goal to can integrate the job in a list of student projects. This is
perhaps more easy to do with extensions where you have the double
possibility to create a new one or ameliorate an existing one.
Regards
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2015-03-05 22:54 GMT+01:00 Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>:
> On 03/05/2015 01:51 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested
> and
> > impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
> > possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only
> regret
> > expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously,
> the
> > question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
> > because MS Office can now use the ODF format.
> >
> > Regards
> >
>
> Thanks for sharing! :)
>
> If you can provide more details on what could be updated in the
> interface from this audience, it would be helpful.
>
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>
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 03/05/2015 10:54 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk:
> On 03/05/2015 01:51 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested and
>> impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
>> possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only regret
>> expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously, the
>> question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
>> because MS Office can now use the ODF format.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>
> Thanks for sharing! :)
>
> If you can provide more details on what could be updated in the
> interface from this audience, it would be helpful.
we all know that the AOO look & feel are some years old and therefore
really need some new paintings. However, to know from users out of the
praxis what exactly they want to have and see would be very valuable.
Then we just need some developers that can do it. ;-)
Thanks
Marcus
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 03/05/2015 01:51 PM, Guy Waterval wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested and
> impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
> possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only regret
> expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously, the
> question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
> because MS Office can now use the ODF format.
>
> Regards
>
Thanks for sharing! :)
If you can provide more details on what could be updated in the
interface from this audience, it would be helpful.
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Re: Interoperability
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
The presentation has been successfull. The audience was very interested and
impressed by the sidebar, the portability of AOO (use on usb key) and the
possibility to increase its functions by adding extensions. The only regret
expressed is the interface which is a little out of fashion. Curiously, the
question of the interoperability seemed not to be a big problem, perhaps
because MS Office can now use the ODF format.
Regards
--
gw
2015-03-02 17:35 GMT+01:00 Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been mandated to make an AOO presentation in a class of a technical
> school next Thursday. As those people are exclusively working with MS
> Office, I'd like to know where we actually are with the issue of
> interoperability. Is it an ongoing work, is it planned to have in the
> future the exportation function to MS OO XML format or if this project has
> been abandoned. This issue will be certainly adressed and I'm not clear
> with the current situation in this area.
>
> Many thanks for all information
>
> A+
> --
> gw
>