Re: [Proposal] rollback - internal.view and output.viewHelper.xhtml to revision 280939 (was Re: svn commit: r292072)

[Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>]

El mié, 28-09-2005 a las 21:45 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
...
> Hmmm... there is nothing in the log you quote that says I am to provide 
> an example. The Resume plugin I refer to is an adaption of the plugin 
> in SVN. Unfortunately, I cannot give examples from it as the 
> organisation has not permitted me to open source that part of the code. 
> I hope to implement something similar in the Amazon ECS plugin as that 
> is for a voluntary organisation that understands the idea of sharing. 
> However, it is a voluntary organisation, so don't hold your breath, work 
> will happen only when time allows.
> 
> It works like this:
> 
> resume src -> contracts -> XDoc -> XDoc2XHTML.xsl -> CSS -> themed page
> 
> This is explained in more detail in my mail outlining my approach to 
> integrating XHTML2 and is discussed further in the rest of the IRC log.

Dude, sorry that it may came around wee bit different that I indented. I
actually do not understand how you did
resume src -> contracts -> XDoc
that was the reason I asked again. Till now if you use contracts you
have to go through the plugins but it seems you found out how to use
contracts in a better way. I am really keen to learn myself how we can
enhance views and your description sounds wonderful.

To bad that there are still companies that like using os but do not want give anything back. 
I made some experience on that as well and it is a bummer. 

Anyway I would be glad to see a simple example how you did it as soon as you find some time.

Cheers

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: [Proposal] rollback - internal.view and output.viewHelper.xhtml to revision 280939 (was Re: svn commit: r292072)

[Thorsten Scherler <th...@apache.org>]

El mié, 28-09-2005 a las 23:32 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> > El mié, 28-09-2005 a las 21:45 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> > ...
> 
> ...
> 
> >> Unfortunately, I cannot give examples from it as the 
> >>organisation has not permitted me to open source that part of the code. 
> 
> ...
> 
> > To bad that there are still companies that like using os but do not want give anything back. 
> > I made some experience on that as well and it is a bummer. 
> 
> Actually, this particular organisation has contributed a hell of a lot 
> to Forrest (and to many other OS products). 

Thanks very much to this organisation. I did not want to say this to
offend anyone. Please keep on supporting us by letting devs release code
back to the core. It it helping you even ...

> They just don't want to 
> contribute this particular part of their system since it is part of 
> their competitive advantage right now. 

Yes, that is the reason I could not release the inx plugin. :(

> In the past they have done the 
> same, but when competitors caught up they have donated back.

Hmm, software as competitive advantage is short term only, I am afraid.
The optimization of the involved process supported by this software will
lead to longer term strategic advantages. 

...but that leads to strategic managements theories and M. Porter where
you will find exceptions for above said... 

Anyway, I can fully understand that they do not feel to donate it back.
This is the phenomenon of free riding which is really bad in OS.
Competitors will use your donations but not having the producing costs.
Sad but true. :(


> (got to say that because I know some of them are in here ;-)
> 

(had to reply to it because of this ;-)

> > Anyway I would be glad to see a simple example how you did it as soon as you find some time.
> 
> No problem. I'm keen to see the new branch so I can do it in there, the 
> organisation has *not* restricted changes to Forrest Core, only to the 
> plugin. So it is only a matter of my finding time.
> 
> Ross
> 

:)

You can even make an example in an email I do not care. ;-) 

Anyway, I will create now the new branch.

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)

Re: [Proposal] rollback - internal.view and output.viewHelper.xhtml to revision 280939 (was Re: svn commit: r292072)

[Ross Gardler <rg...@apache.org>]

Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> El mié, 28-09-2005 a las 21:45 +0100, Ross Gardler escribió:
> ...

...

>> Unfortunately, I cannot give examples from it as the 
>>organisation has not permitted me to open source that part of the code. 

...

> To bad that there are still companies that like using os but do not want give anything back. 
> I made some experience on that as well and it is a bummer. 

Actually, this particular organisation has contributed a hell of a lot 
to Forrest (and to many other OS products). They just don't want to 
contribute this particular part of their system since it is part of 
their competitive advantage right now. In the past they have done the 
same, but when competitors caught up they have donated back.

(got to say that because I know some of them are in here ;-)

> Anyway I would be glad to see a simple example how you did it as soon as you find some time.

No problem. I'm keen to see the new branch so I can do it in there, the 
organisation has *not* restricted changes to Forrest Core, only to the 
plugin. So it is only a matter of my finding time.

Ross