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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Melanie Harris <ha...@yahoo.com> on 2002/04/02 21:37:27 UTC
JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Hi All,
Out on http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2002/j1-02-grapevine2.html today there is mention of the following:
JavaServer Faces
Sun Microsystems' Senior Software Engineer Roger Kitain from the JSF team outlined the one project I really hoped would release a specification and RI this week. JSF's functionality, layered on top of the JSP specification, includes change listeners on client-side widgets and a standard tag library (including a tree-view control). I'm working on a project in which such features would come in handy, so if you're listening guys, please release the RI as soon as you can!
This sounds to me like JSF might be something that would be similar to Struts with added client-side widgets. I'd like to know what others think of JSF and if you think it might eventually become a preferred framework over struts, etc... ?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
-mel h
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RE: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Posted by Robert <rm...@bull-enterprises.com>.
It very well might be. In the demo, with dreamweaver, the linking of
events were done in the page with a wizard, but they did say that they
will support centralized management of those types of controls, like the
struts config file.
The early release should be out soon, maybe end of spring, with a 1.0
spec out by fall, according to them.
Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Field-Elliot [mailto:bryan_lists@netmeme.org]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:11 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
I imagine that it would be a relatively simple task, to write an adaptor
of some sort to map the JSF event model onto Struts actions.
Bryan
On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 12:41, Robert wrote:
I went to the JSF session at JavaOne and the most asked question for
the
JSR group was "What about Struts?". Their answer is that JSF will be
flexible enough to work with whatever framework you want, including
struts. JSF has an event model as well as the widgets, but you don't
have to use them (events), so in that scenario, JSF HTML widgets
would
be a front-end for the Struts controller, effectively
replacing/complimenting the Struts taglibs for presentation.
Their idea was to have a flexible UI framework that could stand on
its
own with the event model, or work with whatever controller you
wanted.
Having said that, JSF is also supposed to have support for other
client
types, such as PDAs and phones, supplying a different widget set for
each. They had a nice demo of using Dreamweaver to build the JSF
portion, much like there is a Struts extension out there.
- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Harris [mailto:harris_mel@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:37 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Hi All,
Out on
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2002/j1-02-grapevine2.html
today there is mention of the following:
JavaServer Faces
Sun Microsystems' Senior Software Engineer Roger Kitain from the JSF
team outlined the one project I really hoped would release a
specification and RI this week. JSF's functionality, layered on top
of
the JSP specification, includes change listeners on client-side
widgets
and a standard tag library (including a tree-view control). I'm
working
on a project in which such features would come in handy, so if
you're
listening guys, please release the RI as soon as you can!
This sounds to me like JSF might be something that would be similar
to
Struts with added client-side widgets. I'd like to know what
others
think of JSF and if you think it might eventually become a preferred
framework over struts, etc... ?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
-mel h
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RE: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Posted by Bryan Field-Elliot <br...@netmeme.org>.
I, for one, am excited to see JSF (based upon what paltry info I have
read about it). I've done several hellishly complicated pages in JSP,
doing all kinds of crazy stuff like generating dynamic JavaScript for
the client, and invoking Struts actions (with different parameters)
depending upon what the user clicked on. It sounds like JSF is made for
building those kinds of pages (so I hope). And for it to fit well with
Struts is a bonus.
Bryan
On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 19:11, Sandeep Takhar wrote:
I went to the BOF following this session where Craig
McLanahan was the main speaker.
He basically finished off by saying that we will use
whatever we want to from JSF. Just as there are
pieces we use from the Servlet & JSP specification.
He is part of the expert group and is keen on making
the jsf framework work for whichever frameworks are
out there and specifically struts.
He mentioned he had a working model with Struts & JSF.
I think that maybe there will be some releases of
struts that incorporate JSF. Maybe there will be some
that take advantage of jsp 1.2 & servlet 2.3... I
guess this is more a discussion for the dev group.
I wouldn't count on JSF being a silver bullet. I
think it has a long way to go and Struts will still be
around and just end up incorporating the new JSF
stuff.
Craig said it -- and it is the truth: It is up to
us...
Sandeep
--- Bryan Field-Elliot <br...@netmeme.org>
wrote:
> I imagine that it would be a relatively simple task,
> to write an adaptor
> of some sort to map the JSF event model onto Struts
> actions.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 12:41, Robert wrote:
>
> I went to the JSF session at JavaOne and the
> most asked question for the
> JSR group was "What about Struts?". Their answer
> is that JSF will be
> flexible enough to work with whatever framework
> you want, including
> struts. JSF has an event model as well as the
> widgets, but you don't
> have to use them (events), so in that scenario,
> JSF HTML widgets would
> be a front-end for the Struts controller,
> effectively
> replacing/complimenting the Struts taglibs for
> presentation.
>
> Their idea was to have a flexible UI framework
> that could stand on its
> own with the event model, or work with whatever
> controller you wanted.
>
> Having said that, JSF is also supposed to have
> support for other client
> types, such as PDAs and phones, supplying a
> different widget set for
> each. They had a nice demo of using Dreamweaver
> to build the JSF
> portion, much like there is a Struts extension
> out there.
>
> - Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melanie Harris
> [mailto:harris_mel@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:37 PM
> To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for
> Struts?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Out on
>
>
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2002/j1-02-grapevine2.html
> today there is mention of the following:
>
> JavaServer Faces
> Sun Microsystems' Senior Software Engineer Roger
> Kitain from the JSF
> team outlined the one project I really hoped
> would release a
> specification and RI this week. JSF's
> functionality, layered on top of
> the JSP specification, includes change listeners
> on client-side widgets
> and a standard tag library (including a
> tree-view control). I'm working
> on a project in which such features would come
> in handy, so if you're
> listening guys, please release the RI as soon as
> you can!
>
> This sounds to me like JSF might be something
> that would be similar to
> Struts with added client-side widgets. I'd
> like to know what others
> think of JSF and if you think it might
> eventually become a preferred
> framework over struts, etc... ?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> -mel h
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Posted by Sandeep Takhar <sa...@yahoo.com>.
I went to the BOF following this session where Craig
McLanahan was the main speaker.
He basically finished off by saying that we will use
whatever we want to from JSF. Just as there are
pieces we use from the Servlet & JSP specification.
He is part of the expert group and is keen on making
the jsf framework work for whichever frameworks are
out there and specifically struts.
He mentioned he had a working model with Struts & JSF.
I think that maybe there will be some releases of
struts that incorporate JSF. Maybe there will be some
that take advantage of jsp 1.2 & servlet 2.3... I
guess this is more a discussion for the dev group.
I wouldn't count on JSF being a silver bullet. I
think it has a long way to go and Struts will still be
around and just end up incorporating the new JSF
stuff.
Craig said it -- and it is the truth: It is up to
us...
Sandeep
--- Bryan Field-Elliot <br...@netmeme.org>
wrote:
> I imagine that it would be a relatively simple task,
> to write an adaptor
> of some sort to map the JSF event model onto Struts
> actions.
>
> Bryan
>
>
> On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 12:41, Robert wrote:
>
> I went to the JSF session at JavaOne and the
> most asked question for the
> JSR group was "What about Struts?". Their answer
> is that JSF will be
> flexible enough to work with whatever framework
> you want, including
> struts. JSF has an event model as well as the
> widgets, but you don't
> have to use them (events), so in that scenario,
> JSF HTML widgets would
> be a front-end for the Struts controller,
> effectively
> replacing/complimenting the Struts taglibs for
> presentation.
>
> Their idea was to have a flexible UI framework
> that could stand on its
> own with the event model, or work with whatever
> controller you wanted.
>
> Having said that, JSF is also supposed to have
> support for other client
> types, such as PDAs and phones, supplying a
> different widget set for
> each. They had a nice demo of using Dreamweaver
> to build the JSF
> portion, much like there is a Struts extension
> out there.
>
> - Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Melanie Harris
> [mailto:harris_mel@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:37 PM
> To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for
> Struts?
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Out on
>
>
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2002/j1-02-grapevine2.html
> today there is mention of the following:
>
> JavaServer Faces
> Sun Microsystems' Senior Software Engineer Roger
> Kitain from the JSF
> team outlined the one project I really hoped
> would release a
> specification and RI this week. JSF's
> functionality, layered on top of
> the JSP specification, includes change listeners
> on client-side widgets
> and a standard tag library (including a
> tree-view control). I'm working
> on a project in which such features would come
> in handy, so if you're
> listening guys, please release the RI as soon as
> you can!
>
> This sounds to me like JSF might be something
> that would be similar to
> Struts with added client-side widgets. I'd
> like to know what others
> think of JSF and if you think it might
> eventually become a preferred
> framework over struts, etc... ?
>
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
>
> -mel h
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Posted by Bryan Field-Elliot <br...@netmeme.org>.
I imagine that it would be a relatively simple task, to write an adaptor
of some sort to map the JSF event model onto Struts actions.
Bryan
On Tue, 2002-04-02 at 12:41, Robert wrote:
I went to the JSF session at JavaOne and the most asked question for the
JSR group was "What about Struts?". Their answer is that JSF will be
flexible enough to work with whatever framework you want, including
struts. JSF has an event model as well as the widgets, but you don't
have to use them (events), so in that scenario, JSF HTML widgets would
be a front-end for the Struts controller, effectively
replacing/complimenting the Struts taglibs for presentation.
Their idea was to have a flexible UI framework that could stand on its
own with the event model, or work with whatever controller you wanted.
Having said that, JSF is also supposed to have support for other client
types, such as PDAs and phones, supplying a different widget set for
each. They had a nice demo of using Dreamweaver to build the JSF
portion, much like there is a Struts extension out there.
- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Harris [mailto:harris_mel@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:37 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Hi All,
Out on
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2002/j1-02-grapevine2.html
today there is mention of the following:
JavaServer Faces
Sun Microsystems' Senior Software Engineer Roger Kitain from the JSF
team outlined the one project I really hoped would release a
specification and RI this week. JSF's functionality, layered on top of
the JSP specification, includes change listeners on client-side widgets
and a standard tag library (including a tree-view control). I'm working
on a project in which such features would come in handy, so if you're
listening guys, please release the RI as soon as you can!
This sounds to me like JSF might be something that would be similar to
Struts with added client-side widgets. I'd like to know what others
think of JSF and if you think it might eventually become a preferred
framework over struts, etc... ?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
-mel h
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RE: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Posted by Robert <rm...@bull-enterprises.com>.
I went to the JSF session at JavaOne and the most asked question for the
JSR group was "What about Struts?". Their answer is that JSF will be
flexible enough to work with whatever framework you want, including
struts. JSF has an event model as well as the widgets, but you don't
have to use them (events), so in that scenario, JSF HTML widgets would
be a front-end for the Struts controller, effectively
replacing/complimenting the Struts taglibs for presentation.
Their idea was to have a flexible UI framework that could stand on its
own with the event model, or work with whatever controller you wanted.
Having said that, JSF is also supposed to have support for other client
types, such as PDAs and phones, supplying a different widget set for
each. They had a nice demo of using Dreamweaver to build the JSF
portion, much like there is a Struts extension out there.
- Robert
-----Original Message-----
From: Melanie Harris [mailto:harris_mel@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 1:37 PM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: JavaServerFaces (JSF) replacement for Struts?
Hi All,
Out on
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-03-2002/j1-02-grapevine2.html
today there is mention of the following:
JavaServer Faces
Sun Microsystems' Senior Software Engineer Roger Kitain from the JSF
team outlined the one project I really hoped would release a
specification and RI this week. JSF's functionality, layered on top of
the JSP specification, includes change listeners on client-side widgets
and a standard tag library (including a tree-view control). I'm working
on a project in which such features would come in handy, so if you're
listening guys, please release the RI as soon as you can!
This sounds to me like JSF might be something that would be similar to
Struts with added client-side widgets. I'd like to know what others
think of JSF and if you think it might eventually become a preferred
framework over struts, etc... ?
Thanks in advance for your comments.
-mel h
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