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Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Andrea suggested that we post a link to this in the footer of each
message. That is something we can do, but for now I'd like to remind
us all of it:
http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
Remember, no one has a right to post on this list. It is a privilege.
To the extent any person's or persons' conduct becomes disruptive of
the purpose of this list (supporting users of Apache OpenOffice) this
privilege can be revoked.
This is an administrative note. It does not require a response.
Regards,
-Rob
Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee & Mailing List Moderator
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz>.
On 8/01/2014 4:55 p.m., Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I can't get myself off this list. I want out! You are fucking driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!
> It never cease to amaze me how people subscribe to a mailing list then
> proceed to feel outraged to see that their inboxes are filled with
> messages from total strangers, discussing some subject that is the
> topic of such mailing list.
>
> Out of curiosity, I'd like to know:
>
> - Is it because they don't know what joining a mailing list implies?
> (ie receiving lots of emails, until you unsubscribe)
In my experience this is it. They feel they are signing to an available
help system on demand when they request it. They are not prepared for
all the additional lovey-dovey emails that you can get here, from
Think's complaints to Rob's sarcasm. Neither are they prepared to
receive emails from others with newbie issues. I've never been a fan of
Forums, they are a pull option. But Forums are an alternative that do
find a lot of favour nowadays. I've come round to the idea both should
exist after initially not liking the idea at all.
> -Or is it because some supernatural power forced them join a mailing
> list they know nothing about? (it certainly feels that way, by reading
> some "get me off this list" replies. One has to wonder who subscribed
> them in the first place...).
I believe that is why the option to send questions to the list without
subscribing existed in the first place.
> Just curious...
> FC
> PS: Rob, perhaps renaming "mail list" to "discussion list" at this page
> http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html#community-support
> can provide a better idea of what joining a mailing list implies?. And
> perhaps a paragraph describing what a "discussion list" is about could
> be copied from here?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list#Discussion_list
>
> Just an idea...
There is a separate discuss list in most OS communities.
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 11:26 PM, Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can't get myself off this list. I want out! You are fucking driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!
It never cease to amaze me how people subscribe to a mailing list then
proceed to feel outraged to see that their inboxes are filled with
messages from total strangers, discussing some subject that is the
topic of such mailing list.
Out of curiosity, I'd like to know:
- Is it because they don't know what joining a mailing list implies?
(ie receiving lots of emails, until you unsubscribe)
-Or is it because some supernatural power forced them join a mailing
list they know nothing about? (it certainly feels that way, by reading
some "get me off this list" replies. One has to wonder who subscribed
them in the first place...).
Just curious...
FC
PS: Rob, perhaps renaming "mail list" to "discussion list" at this page
http://www.openoffice.org/support/index.html#community-support
can provide a better idea of what joining a mailing list implies?. And
perhaps a paragraph describing what a "discussion list" is about could
be copied from here?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_mailing_list#Discussion_list
Just an idea...
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Peggy Burruss <pb...@aol.com>.
On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 10:03:39AM +0000, Richard Driscoll wrote:
>> I have in subscribed twice in the last week without effect. Please remove my email address from the list. I am no longer using the software.
>
> You should have received a confirmation email. You have to reply to it
> in order to be unsubscribed. Check your spam folder. Alternatively,
> start the process again and watch for the confirmation email
>
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net>.
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 10:03:39AM +0000, Richard Driscoll wrote:
> I have in subscribed twice in the last week without effect. Please remove my email address from the list. I am no longer using the software.
You should have received a confirmation email. You have to reply to it
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start the process again and watch for the confirmation email
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Richard Driscoll <ri...@icloud.com>.
I have in subscribed twice in the last week without effect. Please remove my email address from the list. I am no longer using the software.
Richard.driscoll2@icloud.com
Thank you
Richard
Richard Driscoll
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> On 8 Jan 2014, at 02:30, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Intructions for how to unsubscribe are in the footer of every post to
> this mailing list, including this one ;-)
>
> If for some reason this is not working for you, send me a note off-line.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I can't get myself off this list. I want out! You are fucking driving me
>> crazy!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Carmen Putrino
>> 805.807.4269
>> carmenputrino@yahoo.com
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:15 PM, "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Weir,
>>
>> You lost the ability to moderate my behavior on this list when you went
>> after me for stating law and policy, saying I was threatening someone when I
>> was not. You cannot threaten someone with the law. The law is. The
>> consequences exist for illegal activity and that which violates the user's
>> ISP policy. You have chilled free speech on this list.
>>
>> The moderators, collectively, have allowed this list to get so out of hand,
>> I am amazed that any questions get answered. Instead of learning the
>> program, I am spending time trying to get you to do your jobs and ensure
>> this is a safe place for people to post questions that may sound stupid, as
>> people learn the program.
>>
>> Please furnish me with the name and email address of the people who choose
>> moderators on this list.
>>
>> Also, while there is no "right" to post on this list, there is a set of
>> assumptions based on this product being an open source project that is
>> freely available. Hence your statement about posting on this list being a
>> "privilege" is both specious and misleading. Likely you meant it that way.
>> It is wholly disingenuous to support an open source/free product and then
>> say that everyone on this list doesn’t have the right to be here. It is not
>> in keeping with the apache or open source projects.
>>
>> When a moderator so greatly misspeaks, it is no wonder that the users on
>> this list are at each other's throats.
>>
>> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:53 PM
>> Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
>>
>> Andrea suggested that we post a link to this in the footer of each
>> message. That is something we can do, but for now I'd like to remind
>> us all of it:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
>>
>> Remember, no one has a right to post on this list. It is a privilege.
>> To the extent any person's or persons' conduct becomes disruptive of
>> the purpose of this list (supporting users of Apache OpenOffice) this
>> privilege can be revoked.
>>
>> This is an administrative note. It does not require a response.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>> Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee & Mailing List Moderator
>>
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Grant Hayes <tr...@trollaxor.com>.
I just joined this list and I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in
the level of discourse here. I've heard more about people's
interpersonal problems and list policy than I have about the software
itself.
Can we please get back on topic here, folks?
On 1/7/14, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> Intructions for how to unsubscribe are in the footer of every post to
> this mailing list, including this one ;-)
>
> If for some reason this is not working for you, send me a note off-line.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>> I can't get myself off this list. I want out! You are fucking driving
>> me
>> crazy!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> Carmen Putrino
>> 805.807.4269
>> carmenputrino@yahoo.com
>>
>> On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:15 PM, "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mr. Weir,
>>
>> You lost the ability to moderate my behavior on this list when you went
>> after me for stating law and policy, saying I was threatening someone when
>> I
>> was not. You cannot threaten someone with the law. The law is. The
>> consequences exist for illegal activity and that which violates the
>> user's
>> ISP policy. You have chilled free speech on this list.
>>
>> The moderators, collectively, have allowed this list to get so out of
>> hand,
>> I am amazed that any questions get answered. Instead of learning the
>> program, I am spending time trying to get you to do your jobs and ensure
>> this is a safe place for people to post questions that may sound stupid,
>> as
>> people learn the program.
>>
>> Please furnish me with the name and email address of the people who
>> choose
>> moderators on this list.
>>
>> Also, while there is no "right" to post on this list, there is a set of
>> assumptions based on this product being an open source project that is
>> freely available. Hence your statement about posting on this list being a
>> "privilege" is both specious and misleading. Likely you meant it that
>> way.
>> It is wholly disingenuous to support an open source/free product and then
>> say that everyone on this list doesn’t have the right to be here. It is
>> not
>> in keeping with the apache or open source projects.
>>
>> When a moderator so greatly misspeaks, it is no wonder that the users on
>> this list are at each other's throats.
>>
>> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:53 PM
>> Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
>>
>> Andrea suggested that we post a link to this in the footer of each
>> message. That is something we can do, but for now I'd like to remind
>> us all of it:
>>
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
>>
>> Remember, no one has a right to post on this list. It is a privilege.
>> To the extent any person's or persons' conduct becomes disruptive of
>> the purpose of this list (supporting users of Apache OpenOffice) this
>> privilege can be revoked.
>>
>> This is an administrative note. It does not require a response.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>> Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee & Mailing List Moderator
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@openoffice.apache.org
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
Intructions for how to unsubscribe are in the footer of every post to
this mailing list, including this one ;-)
If for some reason this is not working for you, send me a note off-line.
Regards,
-Rob
On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I can't get myself off this list. I want out! You are fucking driving me
> crazy!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Carmen Putrino
> 805.807.4269
> carmenputrino@yahoo.com
>
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:15 PM, "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mr. Weir,
>
> You lost the ability to moderate my behavior on this list when you went
> after me for stating law and policy, saying I was threatening someone when I
> was not. You cannot threaten someone with the law. The law is. The
> consequences exist for illegal activity and that which violates the user's
> ISP policy. You have chilled free speech on this list.
>
> The moderators, collectively, have allowed this list to get so out of hand,
> I am amazed that any questions get answered. Instead of learning the
> program, I am spending time trying to get you to do your jobs and ensure
> this is a safe place for people to post questions that may sound stupid, as
> people learn the program.
>
> Please furnish me with the name and email address of the people who choose
> moderators on this list.
>
> Also, while there is no "right" to post on this list, there is a set of
> assumptions based on this product being an open source project that is
> freely available. Hence your statement about posting on this list being a
> "privilege" is both specious and misleading. Likely you meant it that way.
> It is wholly disingenuous to support an open source/free product and then
> say that everyone on this list doesn’t have the right to be here. It is not
> in keeping with the apache or open source projects.
>
> When a moderator so greatly misspeaks, it is no wonder that the users on
> this list are at each other's throats.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:53 PM
> Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
>
> Andrea suggested that we post a link to this in the footer of each
> message. That is something we can do, but for now I'd like to remind
> us all of it:
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
>
> Remember, no one has a right to post on this list. It is a privilege.
> To the extent any person's or persons' conduct becomes disruptive of
> the purpose of this list (supporting users of Apache OpenOffice) this
> privilege can be revoked.
>
> This is an administrative note. It does not require a response.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
> Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee & Mailing List Moderator
>
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Re: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com>.
I can't get myself off this list. I want out! You are fucking driving me crazy!!!!!!!!!!
Carmen Putrino
805.807.4269
carmenputrino@yahoo.com
> On Jan 7, 2014, at 6:15 PM, "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mr. Weir,
>
> You lost the ability to moderate my behavior on this list when you went after me for stating law and policy, saying I was threatening someone when I was not. You cannot threaten someone with the law. The law is. The consequences exist for illegal activity and that which violates the user's ISP policy. You have chilled free speech on this list.
>
> The moderators, collectively, have allowed this list to get so out of hand, I am amazed that any questions get answered. Instead of learning the program, I am spending time trying to get you to do your jobs and ensure this is a safe place for people to post questions that may sound stupid, as people learn the program.
>
> Please furnish me with the name and email address of the people who choose moderators on this list.
>
> Also, while there is no "right" to post on this list, there is a set of assumptions based on this product being an open source project that is freely available. Hence your statement about posting on this list being a "privilege" is both specious and misleading. Likely you meant it that way. It is wholly disingenuous to support an open source/free product and then say that everyone on this list doesn’t have the right to be here. It is not in keeping with the apache or open source projects.
>
> When a moderator so greatly misspeaks, it is no wonder that the users on this list are at each other's throats.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:53 PM
> Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
>
> Andrea suggested that we post a link to this in the footer of each
> message. That is something we can do, but for now I'd like to remind
> us all of it:
>
> http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
>
> Remember, no one has a right to post on this list. It is a privilege.
> To the extent any person's or persons' conduct becomes disruptive of
> the purpose of this list (supporting users of Apache OpenOffice) this
> privilege can be revoked.
>
> This is an administrative note. It does not require a response.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
> Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee & Mailing List Moderator
>
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RE: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
Mr. Weir,
You lost the ability to moderate my behavior on this list when you went after me for stating law and policy, saying I was threatening someone when I was not. You cannot threaten someone with the law. The law is. The consequences exist for illegal activity and that which violates the user's ISP policy. You have chilled free speech on this list.
The moderators, collectively, have allowed this list to get so out of hand, I am amazed that any questions get answered. Instead of learning the program, I am spending time trying to get you to do your jobs and ensure this is a safe place for people to post questions that may sound stupid, as people learn the program.
Please furnish me with the name and email address of the people who choose moderators on this list.
Also, while there is no "right" to post on this list, there is a set of assumptions based on this product being an open source project that is freely available. Hence your statement about posting on this list being a "privilege" is both specious and misleading. Likely you meant it that way. It is wholly disingenuous to support an open source/free product and then say that everyone on this list doesn’t have the right to be here. It is not in keeping with the apache or open source projects.
When a moderator so greatly misspeaks, it is no wonder that the users on this list are at each other's throats.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:53 PM
Cc: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Reminder: List Conduct Guidelines
Andrea suggested that we post a link to this in the footer of each
message. That is something we can do, but for now I'd like to remind
us all of it:
http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
Remember, no one has a right to post on this list. It is a privilege.
To the extent any person's or persons' conduct becomes disruptive of
the purpose of this list (supporting users of Apache OpenOffice) this
privilege can be revoked.
This is an administrative note. It does not require a response.
Regards,
-Rob
Apache OpenOffice Project Management Committee & Mailing List Moderator
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