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[Vote] migration to java 11
Hi,
I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
Here is the content of this ADR:
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# 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
Date: 2019-10-24
## Status
Proposed
## Context
Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
and more people will use it exclusively.
James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
## Decision
We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
from a supported runtime and new features
of the languages and the platform.
## Consequences
* It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
* All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
* The documentation should be updated accordingly.
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8am UTC.
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Rene Cordier <rc...@apache.org>.
+1
On 24/10/2019 21:43, Matthieu Baechler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>
> Here is the content of this ADR:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>
> Date: 2019-10-24
>
> ## Status
>
> Proposed
>
> ## Context
>
> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
> and more people will use it exclusively.
>
> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>
> ## Decision
>
> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
> from a supported runtime and new features
> of the languages and the platform.
>
> ## Consequences
>
> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Voting rules:
>
> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>
> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> 8am UTC.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Eugen Stan <st...@gmail.com>.
+1
On 25.10.2019 19:00, Matthieu Baechler wrote:
> Hi dear users,
>
> This decision could interest you: in short, I propose a migration to
> Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> Feel free to give your feedback.
>
> On Thu, 2019-10-24 at 16:43 +0200, Matthieu Baechler wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>>
>> I opened an ADR here:
>> https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>>
>> Here is the content of this ADR:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>>
>> Date: 2019-10-24
>>
>> ## Status
>>
>> Proposed
>>
>> ## Context
>>
>> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so
>> more
>> and more people will use it exclusively.
>>
>> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>>
>> ## Decision
>>
>> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to
>> benefits
>> from a supported runtime and new features
>> of the languages and the platform.
>>
>> ## Consequences
>>
>> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
>> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
>> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Voting rules:
>>
>> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
>> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
>> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>>
>> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
>> 8am UTC.
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Jean Helou <je...@gmail.com>.
+1
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 6:00 PM Matthieu Baechler <ma...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi dear users,
>
> This decision could interest you: in short, I propose a migration to
> Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> Feel free to give your feedback.
>
> On Thu, 2019-10-24 at 16:43 +0200, Matthieu Baechler wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
> >
> > I opened an ADR here:
> > https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
> >
> > Here is the content of this ADR:
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
> >
> > Date: 2019-10-24
> >
> > ## Status
> >
> > Proposed
> >
> > ## Context
> >
> > Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so
> > more
> > and more people will use it exclusively.
> >
> > James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
> >
> > ## Decision
> >
> > We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to
> > benefits
> > from a supported runtime and new features
> > of the languages and the platform.
> >
> > ## Consequences
> >
> > * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> > * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> > * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Voting rules:
> >
> > I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> > - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> > - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
> >
> > Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> > 8am UTC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Matthieu Baechler
>
>
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>
>
Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Matthieu Baechler <ma...@apache.org>.
Hi dear users,
This decision could interest you: in short, I propose a migration to
Java 11 as a runtime.
Feel free to give your feedback.
On Thu, 2019-10-24 at 16:43 +0200, Matthieu Baechler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> I opened an ADR here:
> https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>
> Here is the content of this ADR:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>
> Date: 2019-10-24
>
> ## Status
>
> Proposed
>
> ## Context
>
> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so
> more
> and more people will use it exclusively.
>
> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>
> ## Decision
>
> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to
> benefits
> from a supported runtime and new features
> of the languages and the platform.
>
> ## Consequences
>
> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Voting rules:
>
> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>
> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> 8am UTC.
Cheers,
--
Matthieu Baechler
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Tellier Benoit <bt...@apache.org>.
On 26/10/2019 09:27, Garry Hurley wrote:
> -1
>
> While I agree it is good to support Java 11, forcing a move to Java 11 will
> hamstring some users of James. First of all, government agencies are slow
> to adopt new versions, mainly because they have few actual employees
> well-versed enough to know what enhancements the new versions of Java would
> do. Additionally, they have other legacy applications which require older
> versions of Java to run, often on the same machine as their James server.
Running different applications with different versions of Java does not
seem an issue to me.
> That being said, I do think moving to Java 11 is a good strategy, but
> keeping compatibility with Java 8 is essential for now. I would ensure
> that you compile to Java 8 standards in order to help wider adoption.
That could be a solution to me. We could let the time between to
releases for people to adapt.
> Please do not recompile older binaries into Java 11, as some of us have to
> jump through sixteen flaming hoops in gasoline-soaked coveralls in order to
> get approval to get a version of James installed, let alone get Java
> upgraded to a proper version.
That won't happen.
Also keep in mind that Apache delivers code, binaries are just here for
convenience. (old release code will be unchanged anyway, and you will be
able to recompile to JRE 8)
> Also, the packages of Java that have been
> bundled with and which have patches in different versions of Red Hat
> Enterprise Linux and SuSE Linux Enterprise Server are not just able to
> install the latest and greatest Linux.
Getting a JRE that is still maintained looks like a big deal to me, I
believe such governement agencies would feel the same. And maybe it's
not packaged out of the box but you should still be able to install a
JRE 11 on such old machines.
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:43 AM Matthieu Baechler <ma...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>>
>> I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>>
>> Here is the content of this ADR:
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>>
>> Date: 2019-10-24
>>
>> ## Status
>>
>> Proposed
>>
>> ## Context
>>
>> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
>> and more people will use it exclusively.
>>
>> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>>
>> ## Decision
>>
>> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
>> from a supported runtime and new features
>> of the languages and the platform.
>>
>> ## Consequences
>>
>> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
>> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
>> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Voting rules:
>>
>> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
>> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
>> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>>
>> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
>> 8am UTC.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Matthieu Baechler
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Garry Hurley <ga...@gmail.com>.
-1
While I agree it is good to support Java 11, forcing a move to Java 11 will
hamstring some users of James. First of all, government agencies are slow
to adopt new versions, mainly because they have few actual employees
well-versed enough to know what enhancements the new versions of Java would
do. Additionally, they have other legacy applications which require older
versions of Java to run, often on the same machine as their James server.
That being said, I do think moving to Java 11 is a good strategy, but
keeping compatibility with Java 8 is essential for now. I would ensure
that you compile to Java 8 standards in order to help wider adoption.
Please do not recompile older binaries into Java 11, as some of us have to
jump through sixteen flaming hoops in gasoline-soaked coveralls in order to
get approval to get a version of James installed, let alone get Java
upgraded to a proper version. Also, the packages of Java that have been
bundled with and which have patches in different versions of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux and SuSE Linux Enterprise Server are not just able to
install the latest and greatest Linux.
On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:43 AM Matthieu Baechler <ma...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>
> Here is the content of this ADR:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>
> Date: 2019-10-24
>
> ## Status
>
> Proposed
>
> ## Context
>
> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
> and more people will use it exclusively.
>
> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>
> ## Decision
>
> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
> from a supported runtime and new features
> of the languages and the platform.
>
> ## Consequences
>
> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Voting rules:
>
> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>
> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> 8am UTC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Matthieu Baechler
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: server-dev-unsubscribe@james.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: server-dev-help@james.apache.org
>
>
Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Tellier Benoit <bt...@apache.org>.
+1
Thanks for the proposal.
On 24/10/2019 21:43, Matthieu Baechler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>
> Here is the content of this ADR:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>
> Date: 2019-10-24
>
> ## Status
>
> Proposed
>
> ## Context
>
> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
> and more people will use it exclusively.
>
> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>
> ## Decision
>
> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
> from a supported runtime and new features
> of the languages and the platform.
>
> ## Consequences
>
> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Voting rules:
>
> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>
> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> 8am UTC.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Vincenzo Gianferrari Pini <vi...@gocloud.it>.
+1

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Il Ven 25 Ott 2019, 08:38 Antoine Duprat <ad...@apache.org> ha scritto:
> +1
>
> Le jeu. 24 oct. 2019 à 16:43, Matthieu Baechler <ma...@apache.org> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
> >
> > I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
> >
> > Here is the content of this ADR:
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
> >
> > Date: 2019-10-24
> >
> > ## Status
> >
> > Proposed
> >
> > ## Context
> >
> > Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
> > and more people will use it exclusively.
> >
> > James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
> >
> > ## Decision
> >
> > We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
> > from a supported runtime and new features
> > of the languages and the platform.
> >
> > ## Consequences
> >
> > * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> > * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> > * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Voting rules:
> >
> > I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> > - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> > - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
> >
> > Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> > 8am UTC.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > --
> > Matthieu Baechler
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > For additional commands, e-mail: server-dev-help@james.apache.org
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Vote] migration to java 11
Posted by Antoine Duprat <ad...@apache.org>.
+1
Le jeu. 24 oct. 2019 à 16:43, Matthieu Baechler <ma...@apache.org> a
écrit :
> Hi,
>
> I would like to propose the migration to Java 11 as a runtime.
>
> I opened an ADR here: https://github.com/apache/james-project/pull/174
>
> Here is the content of this ADR:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> # 9. Migration to Java Runtime Environment 11
>
> Date: 2019-10-24
>
> ## Status
>
> Proposed
>
> ## Context
>
> Java 11 is the only "Long Term Support" java release right now so more
> and more people will use it exclusively.
>
> James is known to build with Java Compiler 11 for some weeks.
>
> ## Decision
>
> We adopt Java Runtime Environment 11 for James as a runtime to benefits
> from a supported runtime and new features
> of the languages and the platform.
>
> ## Consequences
>
> * It requires the upgrade of Spring to 4.3.x.
> * All docker images should be updated to adoptopenjdk 11.
> * The documentation should be updated accordingly.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Voting rules:
>
> I do propose a vote to ensure consensus on it:
> - Answer this mail with "+1" to support this decision
> - Answer this mail with "-1" if you reject this decision
>
> Negative votes should be motivated. Voting ends on 31th October 2019
> 8am UTC.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Matthieu Baechler
>
>
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