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Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed
on the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account
and a CWiki account at the same time.
Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create
CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests.
I'll assume lazy consensus on this.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Sounds good.
Marcus
Am 02/20/2015 08:46 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed
> on the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account
> and a CWiki account at the same time.
>
> Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create
> CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
> too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests.
> I'll assume lazy consensus on this.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On Saturday, February 21, 2015, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 20/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
>> I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
>> too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests.
>> I'll assume lazy consensus on this.
>>
>
> Clarifying what I wrote, I summarize what the result will be at the end:
> - OOOUSERS will have as admins Dave (global admin), me and Keith (space
> admins, with more limited privileges)
ok for me
> - OOODEV (which is empty except for this semi-empty page:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Infrastructure ) dies,
> so it has no admins any longer.
please ask infra to remove it, we do not want to have dead space hanging.
rgds
jan i
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> Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 20/02/2015 Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
> too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests.
> I'll assume lazy consensus on this.
Clarifying what I wrote, I summarize what the result will be at the end:
- OOOUSERS will have as admins Dave (global admin), me and Keith (space
admins, with more limited privileges)
- OOODEV (which is empty except for this semi-empty page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Infrastructure )
dies, so it has no admins any longer.
Regards,
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 03/02/2015 11:13 PM, schrieb Regina Henschel:
> Hi Marcus,
>
> the text in INFRA-9217 is "In the meantime only the OOODEV space is used
> and OOOUSERS is empty. "
> Shouldn't it be the other way round, "In the meantime only the OOOUSERS
> space is used and OOODEV is empty."
thanks, little mix-up. I've updated the issue.
Marcus
> Marcus schrieb:
>> Am 02/27/2015 12:32 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> On 26/02/2015 Marcus wrote:
>>>> Am 02/22/2015 04:56 PM, schrieb Marcus:
>>>>> I guess we need a Jira isuse for Infra, right? Should I do it?
>>>> I've deleted all pages but the space itself (OOODEV) remains. So, has
>>>> someone the power to remove it or should I notify Infra to do it?
>>>
>>> An INFRA JIRA issue is better in both cases; so, since you volunteer,
>>> it's all yours, thanks!
>>>
>>> 1) One JIRA issue for setting the OOOUSERS "space admins" to knmc +
>>> pescetti; if any other "space admins" exist, they should be removed;
>>> Dave Fisher and possibly others are "global admins" and their privileges
>>> are unchanged.
>>
>> logged as INFRA-9217 [1].
>>
>>> 2) One JIRA issue for removing OOODEV.
>>>
>>> In both cases, consensus thread is at
>>> http://markmail.org/message/kmehtlxx2laxf4gr
>>
>> Logged as INFRA-9218 [2].
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9217
>> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9218
>>
>> Marcus
>>
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Marcus,
the text in INFRA-9217 is "In the meantime only the OOODEV space is used
and OOOUSERS is empty. "
Shouldn't it be the other way round, "In the meantime only the OOOUSERS
space is used and OOODEV is empty."
Kind regards
Regina
Marcus schrieb:
> Am 02/27/2015 12:32 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> On 26/02/2015 Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 02/22/2015 04:56 PM, schrieb Marcus:
>>>> I guess we need a Jira isuse for Infra, right? Should I do it?
>>> I've deleted all pages but the space itself (OOODEV) remains. So, has
>>> someone the power to remove it or should I notify Infra to do it?
>>
>> An INFRA JIRA issue is better in both cases; so, since you volunteer,
>> it's all yours, thanks!
>>
>> 1) One JIRA issue for setting the OOOUSERS "space admins" to knmc +
>> pescetti; if any other "space admins" exist, they should be removed;
>> Dave Fisher and possibly others are "global admins" and their privileges
>> are unchanged.
>
> logged as INFRA-9217 [1].
>
>> 2) One JIRA issue for removing OOODEV.
>>
>> In both cases, consensus thread is at
>> http://markmail.org/message/kmehtlxx2laxf4gr
>
> Logged as INFRA-9218 [2].
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9217
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9218
>
> Marcus
>
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02/27/2015 12:32 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> On 26/02/2015 Marcus wrote:
>> Am 02/22/2015 04:56 PM, schrieb Marcus:
>>> I guess we need a Jira isuse for Infra, right? Should I do it?
>> I've deleted all pages but the space itself (OOODEV) remains. So, has
>> someone the power to remove it or should I notify Infra to do it?
>
> An INFRA JIRA issue is better in both cases; so, since you volunteer,
> it's all yours, thanks!
>
> 1) One JIRA issue for setting the OOOUSERS "space admins" to knmc +
> pescetti; if any other "space admins" exist, they should be removed;
> Dave Fisher and possibly others are "global admins" and their privileges
> are unchanged.
logged as INFRA-9217 [1].
> 2) One JIRA issue for removing OOODEV.
>
> In both cases, consensus thread is at
> http://markmail.org/message/kmehtlxx2laxf4gr
Logged as INFRA-9218 [2].
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9217
[2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9218
Marcus
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 26/02/2015 Marcus wrote:
> Am 02/22/2015 04:56 PM, schrieb Marcus:
>> I guess we need a Jira isuse for Infra, right? Should I do it?
> I've deleted all pages but the space itself (OOODEV) remains. So, has
> someone the power to remove it or should I notify Infra to do it?
An INFRA JIRA issue is better in both cases; so, since you volunteer,
it's all yours, thanks!
1) One JIRA issue for setting the OOOUSERS "space admins" to knmc +
pescetti; if any other "space admins" exist, they should be removed;
Dave Fisher and possibly others are "global admins" and their privileges
are unchanged.
2) One JIRA issue for removing OOODEV.
In both cases, consensus thread is at
http://markmail.org/message/kmehtlxx2laxf4gr
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02/22/2015 04:56 PM, schrieb Marcus:
> Am 02/21/2015 12:29 AM, schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 02/21/2015 12:12 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>>> Well we need to do a better job with this. Despite its lack of
>>>> maintenance, this page is better than not having anything at all!
>>>
>>> Well, edits that I would suggest (and that I won't do; but I list them
>>> here for inspiration) are:
>>> - Remove the section "I was invited/voted as committer, so whats next?"
>>> since it's covered in the ASF-wide document we link to
>>
>> I haven't compared it with the ASF version. But if there is nothing new
>> or special then, yes, remove it.
>
> I guess we need a Jira isuse for Infra, right? Should I do it?
I've deleted all pages but the space itself (OOODEV) remains. So, has
someone the power to remove it or should I notify Infra to do it?
Thanks
Marcus
>>> - Section "How to participate?" is misleading in general, for sure item
>>> 4 is wrong.
>>
>> +1, seems an old part of our early days as podling.
>>
>>> - MediaWiki: I am an application admin (not server admin) and I'm not
>>> listed.
>>> - Confluence: OOODEV is dead (I hoped; unfortunately it isn't, but it's
>>> unused and should be closed, it has nothing useful and we should not
>>> advertise it)
>>> - Bugzilla: Herbert is an admin and he is not listed
>>> - Blog: I am an author and I am not listed
>>> - Mailing lists: I would definitely advertise the -owner address only,
>>> since moderators can change often (but I have no idea if we can easily
>>> find out moderators' names... so maybe it's useful to list them in the
>>> end); Simon Phipps is surely missing from the users list moderators.
>>
>> The data is obviously out of date. But IMHO it is worth to get it
>> up-to-date again.
>>
>> So, let's collect some more facts and update it.
>>
>> Example: Webmaster tasks
>>
>> Webpages can be edited by everyone who has the commit bit. So, it could
>> be added as new list item with referring to the dev@ mailing list for
>> the case of questions or simply for corrections.
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02/21/2015 12:29 AM, schrieb Marcus:
> Am 02/21/2015 12:12 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>>> Well we need to do a better job with this. Despite its lack of
>>> maintenance, this page is better than not having anything at all!
>>
>> Well, edits that I would suggest (and that I won't do; but I list them
>> here for inspiration) are:
>> - Remove the section "I was invited/voted as committer, so whats next?"
>> since it's covered in the ASF-wide document we link to
>
> I haven't compared it with the ASF version. But if there is nothing new
> or special then, yes, remove it.
I guess we need a Jira isuse for Infra, right? Should I do it?
Marcus
>> - Section "How to participate?" is misleading in general, for sure item
>> 4 is wrong.
>
> +1, seems an old part of our early days as podling.
>
>> - MediaWiki: I am an application admin (not server admin) and I'm not
>> listed.
>> - Confluence: OOODEV is dead (I hoped; unfortunately it isn't, but it's
>> unused and should be closed, it has nothing useful and we should not
>> advertise it)
>> - Bugzilla: Herbert is an admin and he is not listed
>> - Blog: I am an author and I am not listed
>> - Mailing lists: I would definitely advertise the -owner address only,
>> since moderators can change often (but I have no idea if we can easily
>> find out moderators' names... so maybe it's useful to list them in the
>> end); Simon Phipps is surely missing from the users list moderators.
>
> The data is obviously out of date. But IMHO it is worth to get it
> up-to-date again.
>
> So, let's collect some more facts and update it.
>
> Example: Webmaster tasks
>
> Webpages can be edited by everyone who has the commit bit. So, it could
> be added as new list item with referring to the dev@ mailing list for
> the case of questions or simply for corrections.
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Re: List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02/21/2015 12:12 AM, schrieb Andrea Pescetti:
> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
>> Well we need to do a better job with this. Despite its lack of
>> maintenance, this page is better than not having anything at all!
>
> Well, edits that I would suggest (and that I won't do; but I list them
> here for inspiration) are:
> - Remove the section "I was invited/voted as committer, so whats next?"
> since it's covered in the ASF-wide document we link to
I haven't compared it with the ASF version. But if there is nothing new
or special then, yes, remove it.
> - Section "How to participate?" is misleading in general, for sure item
> 4 is wrong.
+1, seems an old part of our early days as podling.
> - MediaWiki: I am an application admin (not server admin) and I'm not
> listed.
> - Confluence: OOODEV is dead (I hoped; unfortunately it isn't, but it's
> unused and should be closed, it has nothing useful and we should not
> advertise it)
> - Bugzilla: Herbert is an admin and he is not listed
> - Blog: I am an author and I am not listed
> - Mailing lists: I would definitely advertise the -owner address only,
> since moderators can change often (but I have no idea if we can easily
> find out moderators' names... so maybe it's useful to list them in the
> end); Simon Phipps is surely missing from the users list moderators.
The data is obviously out of date. But IMHO it is worth to get it
up-to-date again.
So, let's collect some more facts and update it.
Example: Webmaster tasks
Webpages can be edited by everyone who has the commit bit. So, it could
be added as new list item with referring to the dev@ mailing list for
the case of questions or simply for corrections.
Marcus
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List of service administrators (Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin)
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Kay Schenk wrote:
>> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
> Well we need to do a better job with this. Despite its lack of
> maintenance, this page is better than not having anything at all!
Well, edits that I would suggest (and that I won't do; but I list them
here for inspiration) are:
- Remove the section "I was invited/voted as committer, so whats next?"
since it's covered in the ASF-wide document we link to
- Section "How to participate?" is misleading in general, for sure item
4 is wrong.
- MediaWiki: I am an application admin (not server admin) and I'm not
listed.
- Confluence: OOODEV is dead (I hoped; unfortunately it isn't, but it's
unused and should be closed, it has nothing useful and we should not
advertise it)
- Bugzilla: Herbert is an admin and he is not listed
- Blog: I am an author and I am not listed
- Mailing lists: I would definitely advertise the -owner address only,
since moderators can change often (but I have no idea if we can easily
find out moderators' names... so maybe it's useful to list them in the
end); Simon Phipps is surely missing from the users list moderators.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 20 February 2015 at 18:54, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 02/20/2015 09:49 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> > On 20/02/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> >> Side question: Is there some location where it is known who has the
> >> keys/karma to administration various services under AOO?
> >
> > Short answer is no. We made attempts like
> > http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
> > but they are too hard to maintain to be useful (actually, that page
> > could/should be almost completely removed).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
>
> Well we need to do a better job with this. Despite its lack of
> maintenance, this page is better than not having anything at all!
>
+1
Sadly enough Infra does not have this information, so I cannot pull it out
and hand it over.
I can see we also totally miss forum and the vm maintainers.
rgds
jan I
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 02/20/2015 09:49 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 20/02/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> Side question: Is there some location where it is known who has the
>> keys/karma to administration various services under AOO?
>
> Short answer is no. We made attempts like
> http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
> but they are too hard to maintain to be useful (actually, that page
> could/should be almost completely removed).
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
Well we need to do a better job with this. Despite its lack of
maintenance, this page is better than not having anything at all!
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 20/02/2015 Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> Side question: Is there some location where it is known who has the
> keys/karma to administration various services under AOO?
Short answer is no. We made attempts like
http://openoffice.apache.org/pmc-faqs.html
but they are too hard to maintain to be useful (actually, that page
could/should be almost completely removed).
Regards,
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RE: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
+1 and kudos to Keith
(Side question: Is there some location where it is known who has the keys/karma to administration various services under AOO?)
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Subject: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed
on the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account
and a CWiki account at the same time.
Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create
CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests.
I'll assume lazy consensus on this.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 20 February 2015 at 17:13, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Assuming Keith has experience with Confluence Admin agreed.
>
> AFAIK CWiki Admin privileges extend to the whole of Confluence and are not
> limited to the project's CWikis. Infrastructure will need to be made aware
> of this request and grant the rights.
>
Thanks for this information, that is new to me, but I do not doubt it.
I change my +1 to depend on Keith has experience with Confluence, and Infra
accept the request.
rgds
jan I.
>
> While I don't have the bandwidth to respond to account requests, I still
> have admin rights in case of an urgent need.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>
> > This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed
> on the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account
> and a CWiki account at the same time.
> >
> > Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create
> CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
> too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests. I'll
> assume lazy consensus on this.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 20/02/2015 Dave Fisher wrote:
> Let me know if my help is needed to grant him that karma.
Thanks Dave, I think we could actually use your help. The two issues
Marcus opened
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9217
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-9218
are still unassigned.
Regards,
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Andrea,
Thanks. This works for sure. Let me know if my help is needed to grant him that karma.
Regards,
Dave
On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:07 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> Dave Fisher wrote:
>> AFAIK CWiki Admin privileges extend to the whole of Confluence
>
> No. Maybe the "Admin Privileges" I have in mind mean something else than the Admin Privileges you have in mind. My privileges are limited to adding (whitelisting) users to the OOOUSERS space and making some other administration (like changing logo) to that space. I have no permissions over other spaces. I can't even add users to groups, or see their e-mail address.
>
>> Infrastructure will need to be made aware of this request and grant the rights.
>
> Sure. My so-called Admin privileges do not allow me to create a new space administrator for OOOUSERS, so it is automatic that Infra will need to allow this. I assume you Dave have more extended permissions, but the level of permissions I'm proposing we give to Keith is my set of permissions. This doesn't require a special CWiki experience other than the normal page editing that all of us have done on CWiki.
>
>> I still have admin rights in case of an urgent need.
>
> OK, and I plan to keep my current privileges too.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Dave Fisher wrote:
> AFAIK CWiki Admin privileges extend to the whole of Confluence
No. Maybe the "Admin Privileges" I have in mind mean something else than
the Admin Privileges you have in mind. My privileges are limited to
adding (whitelisting) users to the OOOUSERS space and making some other
administration (like changing logo) to that space. I have no permissions
over other spaces. I can't even add users to groups, or see their e-mail
address.
> Infrastructure will need to be made aware of this request and grant the rights.
Sure. My so-called Admin privileges do not allow me to create a new
space administrator for OOOUSERS, so it is automatic that Infra will
need to allow this. I assume you Dave have more extended permissions,
but the level of permissions I'm proposing we give to Keith is my set of
permissions. This doesn't require a special CWiki experience other than
the normal page editing that all of us have done on CWiki.
> I still have admin rights in case of an urgent need.
OK, and I plan to keep my current privileges too.
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Assuming Keith has experience with Confluence Admin agreed.
AFAIK CWiki Admin privileges extend to the whole of Confluence and are not limited to the project's CWikis. Infrastructure will need to be made aware of this request and grant the rights.
While I don't have the bandwidth to respond to account requests, I still have admin rights in case of an urgent need.
Regards,
Dave
On Feb 19, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed on the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account and a CWiki account at the same time.
>
> Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests. I'll assume lazy consensus on this.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Keith McKenna as CWiki admin
Posted by jan i <ja...@apache.org>.
On 20 February 2015 at 08:46, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> This one has been in queue for a long time, sorry Keith... As discussed on
> the doc list last month, new volunteers often ask for a MWiki account and a
> CWiki account at the same time.
>
> Keith already has privileges to create MWiki accounts, but not to create
> CWiki accounts. I propose that we give Keith the CWiki admin privileges
> too, so that we are more efficient in handling new account requests. I'll
> assume lazy consensus on this.
>
+1
rgds
jan i
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> Regards,
> Andrea.
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