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Posted to users@tomcat.apache.org by Pritpal Dhaliwal <ps...@ucdavis.edu> on 2001/11/01 03:55:21 UTC
RE: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
I think that ColdFusion is more for totally database backed websites. I
personally had hard time making a website with coldfusion without using
database.
If there is some computations happening and all that sorts of stuff, I
would use JSP. If all you have stuff coming straight out of the database,
going straight into a database, and all you care about is putting your
database on the web somehow, I would go coldFusion.
Ofcourse using custom tags, you could get all that ColdFusion has to offer
in JSP.
Also to note, I have very little experience with coldFusion but a lot with
JSP.
Pritpal Dhaliwal
-----Original Message-----
From: Miao, Franco CAWS:EX [mailto:Franco.Miao@gems7.gov.bc.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:28 PM
To: 'Tomcat Users List'
Subject: RE: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
you need to pay thousand bucks for Coldfusion server first, no free server
in the market like tomcat.
Coldfusion is great product, it comes with lots feature, unlike Tomcat,
Coldfusion is a commerical product so you will find great support from
manufacturer.
I will say it depenps on what do you want to do with your biz.
Franco
-----Original Message-----
From: Henry [mailto:hxzhang@cs.ualberta.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:20 PM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
I am not familiar with cold fusion, but when using html
can not fulfill our business needs for rich client side
control (like input masks), does other product has better
control on the client's side?
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RE: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 1 Nov 2001, Henry wrote:
> Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:10:30 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
> From: Henry <hx...@cs.ualberta.ca>
> Reply-To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Tomcat Users List <to...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
>
> Then is there any existing tag library developed for easy
> database IO? and tools that bound java beans to databases
> (not to mention EJB, it can't be used in jsp as <jsp:usebean ...> which
> will not be useful in developing a pure database website
> FAST enough).
>
Why can't you use EJBs? If they have method signatures that correspond to
JavaBeans properties, they are certainly usable (although you might have
performance issues if the actual EJB is on a different server - there are
good design patterns to deal with this sort of thing).
> also I see that use input in the form of "text", "checkbox", can all
> be saved in a bean in a JSP without any "getParameter()"
> and any "bean.setValue(...)". why there can't be a feature to
> set "text", "checkbox" by providing a bean in a JSP?
>
This is one of the problems that web applications frameworks like Struts
(http://jakarta.apache.org/struts) solves for you -- it includes a rich
custom tag library that makes keeping track of input field contents (and
redisplaying them when a validation error fails) pretty painless.
I also encourage you to do some studying on appropriate design patterns
for web applications built with servlets and JSPs. Rapid development is
certainly one goal, but building an application that can be maintained and
enhanced later (as well as scales in performance) is also important to
most users.
A book that is on my bookshelf (except when I'm writing an app, where it
is sitting open on my desk :-) is "Core J2EE Patterns" by Deepak Alur,
John Crupi, and Dan Malks. It is a tremendously useful catalog of design
patterns -- not only for new apps, but also for consideration when
refactoring old ones.
Craig
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RE: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
Posted by Henry <hx...@cs.ualberta.ca>.
Then is there any existing tag library developed for easy
database IO? and tools that bound java beans to databases
(not to mention EJB, it can't be used in jsp as <jsp:usebean ...> which
will not be useful in developing a pure database website
FAST enough).
also I see that use input in the form of "text", "checkbox", can all
be saved in a bean in a JSP without any "getParameter()"
and any "bean.setValue(...)". why there can't be a feature to
set "text", "checkbox" by providing a bean in a JSP?
On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Pritpal Dhaliwal wrote:
> I think that ColdFusion is more for totally database backed websites. I
> personally had hard time making a website with coldfusion without using
> database.
>
> If there is some computations happening and all that sorts of stuff, I
> would use JSP. If all you have stuff coming straight out of the database,
> going straight into a database, and all you care about is putting your
> database on the web somehow, I would go coldFusion.
>
> Ofcourse using custom tags, you could get all that ColdFusion has to offer
> in JSP.
>
>
> Also to note, I have very little experience with coldFusion but a lot with
> JSP.
>
>
> Pritpal Dhaliwal
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miao, Franco CAWS:EX [mailto:Franco.Miao@gems7.gov.bc.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:28 PM
> To: 'Tomcat Users List'
> Subject: RE: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
>
>
> you need to pay thousand bucks for Coldfusion server first, no free server
> in the market like tomcat.
>
> Coldfusion is great product, it comes with lots feature, unlike Tomcat,
> Coldfusion is a commerical product so you will find great support from
> manufacturer.
>
> I will say it depenps on what do you want to do with your biz.
>
> Franco
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henry [mailto:hxzhang@cs.ualberta.ca]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:20 PM
> To: Tomcat Users List
> Subject: comparison between SERVLET/JSP to Cold Fusion
>
>
> I am not familiar with cold fusion, but when using html
> can not fulfill our business needs for rich client side
> control (like input masks), does other product has better
> control on the client's side?
>
>
>
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