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Posted to dev@velocity.apache.org by Frank Conradie <fr...@opticode.co.za> on 2000/08/30 20:15:19 UTC
[REQUEST] XML compliance
Hi Jason, et al.
We use Webmacro extensively with XML, and came across some annoying bugs
that essentially made it XML-unfriendly (including WML). One of these was
the fact that WM added some newline characters to the top of a parsed
template - in an XML document, if you use the XML declaration, it HAS to be
the VERY FIRST thing in the document.
I'm sure your parser does not suffer from this, but what I am trying to say
(or ask for ;-) is that you please keep XML compliance in mind. XML will
become bigger and bigger and I predict that it will eventually end up being
Velocity's "most-used" scenario. It could be the XML templating system of
choice, and not just in web-related stuff - I know it'll be mine!
Anyway, my partner Leon will test for this and other XML issues, and contrib
a lot I'm sure, but I just wanted to make you all aware of the XML thingy...
Greetings, Frank
Re: WM Introspection engine!
Posted by Sean Legassick <se...@somacity.com>.
On Wed, Aug 30, 2000 at 04:38:30PM -0400, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> Hey!
>
> I've figured out the WM introspection engine! I've made
> a tiny trivial example and I committed it (IntroTest.java).
>
> So now I'm going to try and massage the parser to feed
> the WM introspection engine values it likes. I'll
> be done in a couple of hours!
One thing I wanted from the WM introspection engine was the ability to
(at least as a configuration option) have it operate case-insensitively.
The trouble with case sensitivity and HTML designers is that as HTML is
case-insensitive I have trouble getting them to get their heads around
having the case be correct.
There is a problem with this when the introspection engine is turning
$obj.Blah into obj.getValue("Blah") but for reflection of methods/fields
it could work fine.
What do other people think about this issue?
Should I just shut up and hit my designers more?!
--
Sean Legassick
sean@somacity.com
homo sum: humani nihil a me alienum puto
WM Introspection engine!
Posted by Jason van Zyl <jv...@periapt.com>.
Hey!
I've figured out the WM introspection engine! I've made
a tiny trivial example and I committed it (IntroTest.java).
So now I'm going to try and massage the parser to feed
the WM introspection engine values it likes. I'll
be done in a couple of hours!
jvz.
--
Jason van Zyl
jvanzyl@periapt.com
Re: [REQUEST] XML compliance
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 8/30/2000 12:08 PM, "Tomasz Skutnik" <sc...@e-point.pl> wrote:
> This matter has already hunted me...
> XML conformance REQUIRES xml declaration to be the FIRST thing in xml
> document, and when they said it - it should BE FIRST - no
> whitespaces/newlines/whatsoever. I had to postprocess WM output to make
> it usable in WML applications. Full control over whitespacing/newlining
> should an be important issue in Velocity, I think.
>
> Scooter.
Ok dude. I hear you and I already said that I agree. I'm not sure why you
are continuing on this...
-jon
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Re: [REQUEST] XML compliance
Posted by Tomasz Skutnik <sc...@e-point.pl>.
This matter has already hunted me...
XML conformance REQUIRES xml declaration to be the FIRST thing in xml
document, and when they said it - it should BE FIRST - no
whitespaces/newlines/whatsoever. I had to postprocess WM output to make
it usable in WML applications. Full control over whitespacing/newlining
should an be important issue in Velocity, I think.
Scooter.
Jon Stevens wrote:
>
> on 8/30/2000 11:15 AM, "Frank Conradie" <fr...@opticode.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jason, et al.
> >
> > We use Webmacro extensively with XML, and came across some annoying bugs
> > that essentially made it XML-unfriendly (including WML). One of these was
> > the fact that WM added some newline characters to the top of a parsed
> > template - in an XML document, if you use the XML declaration, it HAS to be
> > the VERY FIRST thing in the document.
> >
> > I'm sure your parser does not suffer from this, but what I am trying to say
> > (or ask for ;-) is that you please keep XML compliance in mind. XML will
> > become bigger and bigger and I predict that it will eventually end up being
> > Velocity's "most-used" scenario. It could be the XML templating system of
> > choice, and not just in web-related stuff - I know it'll be mine!
> >
> > Anyway, my partner Leon will test for this and other XML issues, and contrib
> > a lot I'm sure, but I just wanted to make you all aware of the XML thingy...
> >
> > Greetings, Frank
>
> It was funny. During our meeting yesterday, we drew on the whiteboard what
> our goals were for the project. For the very first item, Justin put XML
> compatibility for WM. I didn't know that WM wasn't even compatible.
>
> Anyway, I agreed that it is a goal for the Velocity project.
>
> -jon
>
> --
> http://scarab.tigris.org/ | http://noodle.tigris.org/
> http://java.apache.org/ | http://java.apache.org/turbine/
> http://www.working-dogs.com/ | http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
> http://www.collab.net/ | http://www.sourcexchange.com/
Re: [REQUEST] XML compliance
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 8/30/2000 11:15 AM, "Frank Conradie" <fr...@opticode.co.za> wrote:
> Hi Jason, et al.
>
> We use Webmacro extensively with XML, and came across some annoying bugs
> that essentially made it XML-unfriendly (including WML). One of these was
> the fact that WM added some newline characters to the top of a parsed
> template - in an XML document, if you use the XML declaration, it HAS to be
> the VERY FIRST thing in the document.
>
> I'm sure your parser does not suffer from this, but what I am trying to say
> (or ask for ;-) is that you please keep XML compliance in mind. XML will
> become bigger and bigger and I predict that it will eventually end up being
> Velocity's "most-used" scenario. It could be the XML templating system of
> choice, and not just in web-related stuff - I know it'll be mine!
>
> Anyway, my partner Leon will test for this and other XML issues, and contrib
> a lot I'm sure, but I just wanted to make you all aware of the XML thingy...
>
> Greetings, Frank
It was funny. During our meeting yesterday, we drew on the whiteboard what
our goals were for the project. For the very first item, Justin put XML
compatibility for WM. I didn't know that WM wasn't even compatible.
Anyway, I agreed that it is a goal for the Velocity project.
-jon
--
http://scarab.tigris.org/ | http://noodle.tigris.org/
http://java.apache.org/ | http://java.apache.org/turbine/
http://www.working-dogs.com/ | http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/
http://www.collab.net/ | http://www.sourcexchange.com/