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Server specifcations?
Hello All -
I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
specifications/recommendations.
What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
What am I missing?
Thank you.
- Lynna Jackson, Williams College
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Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by jh...@att.net.
On 6/17/20 8:59 PM, Nick Couchman wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:55 PM <jhubbslist@att.net
> <ma...@att.net>> wrote:
>
> Ah! The lagginess suggests the presence of a buffer. I'll figure
> out how to disable that; thanks.
>
>
> You can find proxy instructions for Guacamole here:
>
> http://guacamole.apache.org/doc/gug/proxying-guacamole.html
>
> -Nick
Nick, disabling that buffering in nginx made all the difference; thank you.
Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by Nick Couchman <vn...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:55 PM <jh...@att.net> wrote:
> Ah! The lagginess suggests the presence of a buffer. I'll figure out how
> to disable that; thanks.
>
>
You can find proxy instructions for Guacamole here:
http://guacamole.apache.org/doc/gug/proxying-guacamole.html
-Nick
Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by jh...@att.net.
Ah! The lagginess suggests the presence of a buffer. I'll figure out
how to disable that; thanks.
- Jeff
On 6/17/20 4:52 PM, Mike Jumper wrote:
> I always deploy Guacamole behind an Nginx reverse proxy for SSL
> termination. There have never been any latency issues.
>
> If seeing latency only with Nginx, I suspect either a problem in the
> configuration (didn't disable buffering?) or an Nginx that is old
> enough to not support WebSocket.
>
> - Mike
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 13:49 Peter De Tender <peter@pdtit.be
> <ma...@pdtit.be>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I don't experience any latency, but my Nginx is only doing the
> redirect from /guacamole to / so I can directly connect to it from
> Azure FrontDoor. My SSL cert is on Azure Front Door too, not on Nginx.
>
> I think I could probably do without Nginx alltogether, but the
> setup script had it builtin, and I haven't tried the impact of
> removing it.
>
> I'm sure some more experienced Guacamole and Nginx admins can
> provide more insights here.
>
> Thanks Peter
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* jhubbslist@att.net <ma...@att.net>
> <jhubbslist@att.net <ma...@att.net>>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:24:45 PM
> *To:* Peter De Tender <peter@pdtit.be <ma...@pdtit.be>>
> *Cc:* user@guacamole.apache.org <ma...@guacamole.apache.org>
> <user@guacamole.apache.org <ma...@guacamole.apache.org>>
> *Subject:* Re: Server specifcations?
> Peter, are you using nginx as a reverse proxy inbound into
> Guacamole? I've tried doing that here with Guacamole doing RDP to
> a separate Windows server and it's really draggy whereas browsing
> directly into Guacamole in Tomcat is not. With nginx performing
> the redirect, it's draggy enough that no users are going to be
> happy with it. Tomcat/Guacamole and nginx are running on the same
> machine here but it's not loaded up at all when the connection is
> present so I wonder if it's just a function of how nginx behaves
> with HTML5 traffic the way Guacamole is painting it.
>
> Thanks,
> - Jeff
>
> On 6/17/20 5:28 AM, Peter De Tender wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> To add on this, I’m seeing the same behavior on my systems
>> (running as Azure VMs), for our lab scenarios:
>>
>> * 20 students using RDP to Windows 2016 Server
>> * Active sessions 7hours a day, with about 4h “active use”
>> (standby online when trainers are presenting)
>> * Azure VM Size: D2sv3 (Xeon E5-2673 2.4Ghz), 2 CPU / 8GB RAM /
>> 4 SSD drives
>> * Average load is about 20% CPU throughout the day, 3,7GB RAM
>>
>> FYI, this is a single VM setup with MariaDB and NGINX, running
>> behind Azure Front Door SSL Gateway with WAF.
>>
>> Thx, Peter
>>
>> *From:*ivanmarcus <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
>> <ma...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:31 AM
>> *To:* user@guacamole.apache.org
>> <ma...@guacamole.apache.org>; lynnaj <lj...@williams.edu>
>> <ma...@williams.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: Server specifcations?
>>
>> This is a question that's come up a few times.
>>
>> Mike's recommendation is that you "generally need 1 core and 2
>> GB for every 25 concurrent users at peak" (ref this thread:
>> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Guacamole-System-Resource-requirements-for-better-performance-td5996.html).
>>
>> In the half-dozen installations I have this fits in with my
>> experience too. As far as I'm aware no-one has expressed any
>> contrary view.
>>
>> With regard to disk sizing, I generally run my installations as a
>> VM with dynamic sizing up to ~20GB. Most use less than 3GB in
>> practice.
>>
>> Network bandwidth is more difficult to determine, it will depend
>> upon a number of factors around what it is your users are doing,
>> and how you have things set up. There have been various
>> discussions on this too; I suggest having a look at the mailing
>> list referenced above as you may find someone with a use-case
>> similar to yours. This thread may be helpful as a start:
>> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Viewing-active-connections-while-using-user-mapping-xml-td7844.html#a7861
>>
>> In general it's fair to say that Guacamole does a good job with
>> compression, and bandwidth requirements are not too onerous.
>>
>> On 17/06/2020 4:02 a.m., lynnaj wrote:
>>
>> Hello All -
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
>>
>> specifications/recommendations.
>>
>>
>>
>> What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
>>
>> concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
>>
>> How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
>>
>>
>>
>> What am I missing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> - Lynna Jackson, Williams College
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sent from:http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by Mike Jumper <mj...@apache.org>.
I always deploy Guacamole behind an Nginx reverse proxy for SSL
termination. There have never been any latency issues.
If seeing latency only with Nginx, I suspect either a problem in the
configuration (didn't disable buffering?) or an Nginx that is old enough to
not support WebSocket.
- Mike
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 13:49 Peter De Tender <pe...@pdtit.be> wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> I don't experience any latency, but my Nginx is only doing the redirect
> from /guacamole to / so I can directly connect to it from Azure FrontDoor.
> My SSL cert is on Azure Front Door too, not on Nginx.
>
> I think I could probably do without Nginx alltogether, but the setup
> script had it builtin, and I haven't tried the impact of removing it.
>
> I'm sure some more experienced Guacamole and Nginx admins can provide more
> insights here.
>
> Thanks Peter
>
> Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* jhubbslist@att.net <jh...@att.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:24:45 PM
> *To:* Peter De Tender <pe...@pdtit.be>
> *Cc:* user@guacamole.apache.org <us...@guacamole.apache.org>
> *Subject:* Re: Server specifcations?
>
> Peter, are you using nginx as a reverse proxy inbound into Guacamole? I've
> tried doing that here with Guacamole doing RDP to a separate Windows server
> and it's really draggy whereas browsing directly into Guacamole in Tomcat
> is not. With nginx performing the redirect, it's draggy enough that no
> users are going to be happy with it. Tomcat/Guacamole and nginx are running
> on the same machine here but it's not loaded up at all when the connection
> is present so I wonder if it's just a function of how nginx behaves with
> HTML5 traffic the way Guacamole is painting it.
>
> Thanks,
> - Jeff
>
> On 6/17/20 5:28 AM, Peter De Tender wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> To add on this, I’m seeing the same behavior on my systems (running as
> Azure VMs), for our lab scenarios:
>
>
>
> - 20 students using RDP to Windows 2016 Server
> - Active sessions 7hours a day, with about 4h “active use” (standby
> online when trainers are presenting)
> - Azure VM Size: D2sv3 (Xeon E5-2673 2.4Ghz), 2 CPU / 8GB RAM / 4 SSD
> drives
> - Average load is about 20% CPU throughout the day, 3,7GB RAM
>
>
>
> FYI, this is a single VM setup with MariaDB and NGINX, running behind
> Azure Front Door SSL Gateway with WAF.
>
>
>
> Thx, Peter
>
>
>
> *From:* ivanmarcus <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:31 AM
> *To:* user@guacamole.apache.org; lynnaj <lj...@williams.edu>
> <lj...@williams.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Server specifcations?
>
>
>
> This is a question that's come up a few times.
>
> Mike's recommendation is that you "generally need 1 core and 2 GB for
> every 25 concurrent users at peak" (ref this thread:
> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Guacamole-System-Resource-requirements-for-better-performance-td5996.html
> ).
>
> In the half-dozen installations I have this fits in with my experience
> too. As far as I'm aware no-one has expressed any contrary view.
>
> With regard to disk sizing, I generally run my installations as a VM with
> dynamic sizing up to ~20GB. Most use less than 3GB in practice.
>
> Network bandwidth is more difficult to determine, it will depend upon a
> number of factors around what it is your users are doing, and how you have
> things set up. There have been various discussions on this too; I suggest
> having a look at the mailing list referenced above as you may find someone
> with a use-case similar to yours. This thread may be helpful as a start:
> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Viewing-active-connections-while-using-user-mapping-xml-td7844.html#a7861
>
> In general it's fair to say that Guacamole does a good job with
> compression, and bandwidth requirements are not too onerous.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17/06/2020 4:02 a.m., lynnaj wrote:
>
> Hello All -
>
>
>
> I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
>
> specifications/recommendations.
>
>
>
> What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
>
> concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
>
> How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
>
>
>
> What am I missing?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
>
> - Lynna Jackson, Williams College
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
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>
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Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by Peter De Tender <pe...@pdtit.be>.
Hi Jeff,
I don't experience any latency, but my Nginx is only doing the redirect from /guacamole to / so I can directly connect to it from Azure FrontDoor. My SSL cert is on Azure Front Door too, not on Nginx.
I think I could probably do without Nginx alltogether, but the setup script had it builtin, and I haven't tried the impact of removing it.
I'm sure some more experienced Guacamole and Nginx admins can provide more insights here.
Thanks Peter
Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>
________________________________
From: jhubbslist@att.net <jh...@att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:24:45 PM
To: Peter De Tender <pe...@pdtit.be>
Cc: user@guacamole.apache.org <us...@guacamole.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Server specifcations?
Peter, are you using nginx as a reverse proxy inbound into Guacamole? I've tried doing that here with Guacamole doing RDP to a separate Windows server and it's really draggy whereas browsing directly into Guacamole in Tomcat is not. With nginx performing the redirect, it's draggy enough that no users are going to be happy with it. Tomcat/Guacamole and nginx are running on the same machine here but it's not loaded up at all when the connection is present so I wonder if it's just a function of how nginx behaves with HTML5 traffic the way Guacamole is painting it.
Thanks,
- Jeff
On 6/17/20 5:28 AM, Peter De Tender wrote:
Hi all,
To add on this, I’m seeing the same behavior on my systems (running as Azure VMs), for our lab scenarios:
* 20 students using RDP to Windows 2016 Server
* Active sessions 7hours a day, with about 4h “active use” (standby online when trainers are presenting)
* Azure VM Size: D2sv3 (Xeon E5-2673 2.4Ghz), 2 CPU / 8GB RAM / 4 SSD drives
* Average load is about 20% CPU throughout the day, 3,7GB RAM
FYI, this is a single VM setup with MariaDB and NGINX, running behind Azure Front Door SSL Gateway with WAF.
Thx, Peter
From: ivanmarcus <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:31 AM
To: user@guacamole.apache.org<ma...@guacamole.apache.org>; lynnaj <lj...@williams.edu>
Subject: Re: Server specifcations?
This is a question that's come up a few times.
Mike's recommendation is that you "generally need 1 core and 2 GB for every 25 concurrent users at peak" (ref this thread: http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Guacamole-System-Resource-requirements-for-better-performance-td5996.html).
In the half-dozen installations I have this fits in with my experience too. As far as I'm aware no-one has expressed any contrary view.
With regard to disk sizing, I generally run my installations as a VM with dynamic sizing up to ~20GB. Most use less than 3GB in practice.
Network bandwidth is more difficult to determine, it will depend upon a number of factors around what it is your users are doing, and how you have things set up. There have been various discussions on this too; I suggest having a look at the mailing list referenced above as you may find someone with a use-case similar to yours. This thread may be helpful as a start: http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Viewing-active-connections-while-using-user-mapping-xml-td7844.html#a7861
In general it's fair to say that Guacamole does a good job with compression, and bandwidth requirements are not too onerous.
On 17/06/2020 4:02 a.m., lynnaj wrote:
Hello All -
I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
specifications/recommendations.
What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
What am I missing?
Thank you.
- Lynna Jackson, Williams College
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Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by jh...@att.net.
Peter, are you using nginx as a reverse proxy inbound into Guacamole?
I've tried doing that here with Guacamole doing RDP to a separate
Windows server and it's really draggy whereas browsing directly into
Guacamole in Tomcat is not. With nginx performing the redirect, it's
draggy enough that no users are going to be happy with it.
Tomcat/Guacamole and nginx are running on the same machine here but it's
not loaded up at all when the connection is present so I wonder if it's
just a function of how nginx behaves with HTML5 traffic the way
Guacamole is painting it.
Thanks,
- Jeff
On 6/17/20 5:28 AM, Peter De Tender wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> To add on this, I’m seeing the same behavior on my systems (running as
> Azure VMs), for our lab scenarios:
>
> * 20 students using RDP to Windows 2016 Server
> * Active sessions 7hours a day, with about 4h “active use” (standby
> online when trainers are presenting)
> * Azure VM Size: D2sv3 (Xeon E5-2673 2.4Ghz), 2 CPU / 8GB RAM / 4
> SSD drives
> * Average load is about 20% CPU throughout the day, 3,7GB RAM
>
> FYI, this is a single VM setup with MariaDB and NGINX, running behind
> Azure Front Door SSL Gateway with WAF.
>
> Thx, Peter
>
> *From:*ivanmarcus <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:31 AM
> *To:* user@guacamole.apache.org; lynnaj <lj...@williams.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Server specifcations?
>
> This is a question that's come up a few times.
>
> Mike's recommendation is that you "generally need 1 core and 2 GB for
> every 25 concurrent users at peak" (ref this thread:
> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Guacamole-System-Resource-requirements-for-better-performance-td5996.html).
>
> In the half-dozen installations I have this fits in with my experience
> too. As far as I'm aware no-one has expressed any contrary view.
>
> With regard to disk sizing, I generally run my installations as a VM
> with dynamic sizing up to ~20GB. Most use less than 3GB in practice.
>
> Network bandwidth is more difficult to determine, it will depend upon
> a number of factors around what it is your users are doing, and how
> you have things set up. There have been various discussions on this
> too; I suggest having a look at the mailing list referenced above as
> you may find someone with a use-case similar to yours. This thread may
> be helpful as a start:
> http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Viewing-active-connections-while-using-user-mapping-xml-td7844.html#a7861
>
> In general it's fair to say that Guacamole does a good job with
> compression, and bandwidth requirements are not too onerous.
>
> On 17/06/2020 4:02 a.m., lynnaj wrote:
>
> Hello All -
>
> I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
>
> specifications/recommendations.
>
> What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
>
> concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
>
> How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thank you.
>
> - Lynna Jackson, Williams College
>
> --
>
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RE: Server specifcations?
Posted by Peter De Tender <pe...@pdtit.be>.
Hi all,
To add on this, I’m seeing the same behavior on my systems (running as Azure VMs), for our lab scenarios:
* 20 students using RDP to Windows 2016 Server
* Active sessions 7hours a day, with about 4h “active use” (standby online when trainers are presenting)
* Azure VM Size: D2sv3 (Xeon E5-2673 2.4Ghz), 2 CPU / 8GB RAM / 4 SSD drives
* Average load is about 20% CPU throughout the day, 3,7GB RAM
FYI, this is a single VM setup with MariaDB and NGINX, running behind Azure Front Door SSL Gateway with WAF.
Thx, Peter
From: ivanmarcus <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 7:31 AM
To: user@guacamole.apache.org; lynnaj <lj...@williams.edu>
Subject: Re: Server specifcations?
This is a question that's come up a few times.
Mike's recommendation is that you "generally need 1 core and 2 GB for every 25 concurrent users at peak" (ref this thread: http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Guacamole-System-Resource-requirements-for-better-performance-td5996.html).
In the half-dozen installations I have this fits in with my experience too. As far as I'm aware no-one has expressed any contrary view.
With regard to disk sizing, I generally run my installations as a VM with dynamic sizing up to ~20GB. Most use less than 3GB in practice.
Network bandwidth is more difficult to determine, it will depend upon a number of factors around what it is your users are doing, and how you have things set up. There have been various discussions on this too; I suggest having a look at the mailing list referenced above as you may find someone with a use-case similar to yours. This thread may be helpful as a start: http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Viewing-active-connections-while-using-user-mapping-xml-td7844.html#a7861
In general it's fair to say that Guacamole does a good job with compression, and bandwidth requirements are not too onerous.
On 17/06/2020 4:02 a.m., lynnaj wrote:
Hello All -
I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
specifications/recommendations.
What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
What am I missing?
Thank you.
- Lynna Jackson, Williams College
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Re: Server specifcations?
Posted by ivanmarcus <iv...@yahoo.com.INVALID>.
This is a question that's come up a few times.
Mike's recommendation is that you "generally need 1 core and 2 GB for
every 25 concurrent users at peak" (ref this thread:
http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Guacamole-System-Resource-requirements-for-better-performance-td5996.html).
In the half-dozen installations I have this fits in with my experience
too. As far as I'm aware no-one has expressed any contrary view.
With regard to disk sizing, I generally run my installations as a VM
with dynamic sizing up to ~20GB. Most use less than 3GB in practice.
Network bandwidth is more difficult to determine, it will depend upon a
number of factors around what it is your users are doing, and how you
have things set up. There have been various discussions on this too; I
suggest having a look at the mailing list referenced above as you may
find someone with a use-case similar to yours. This thread may be
helpful as a start:
http://apache-guacamole-general-user-mailing-list.2363388.n4.nabble.com/Viewing-active-connections-while-using-user-mapping-xml-td7844.html#a7861
In general it's fair to say that Guacamole does a good job with
compression, and bandwidth requirements are not too onerous.
On 17/06/2020 4:02 a.m., lynnaj wrote:
> Hello All -
>
> I can't seem to find anything recent online about Guacamole server
> specifications/recommendations.
>
> What size/type of server(s) are you running this on and for how many
> concurrent connections? How much memory? How many and what types of CPU(s)?
> How much disk space? How much network bandwidth?
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thank you.
> - Lynna Jackson, Williams College
>
>
>
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