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[users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
I have currently discovered a problem which i cannot seem to figure
out. I have a linux box set up properly to utilize .htaccess auth.
this also have a number of vhosts, etc... .htaccess auth is set up on
one vhost. apache was built from source.
Following tests performed:
1. Windows XP SP2 Interal network access, (on LAN) : Authenticate, Access fine
2. Windows XP SP2 External network access (80 forwarded):
Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
3. Windows XP SP2 External network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
4. Windows 2000, external network access (80 forwarded): Authenticate,
Access Fine
5. Windows 2000, external network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
Authenticate, Acces Fine
6. .htaccess auth removed.... Everything works fine.
im not sure what the hell is going on
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
i just did some more tests and had one xp sp2 with ie external machine
work..... i cant seem to find any settings different than machines
experiencing the problem. i did also notice the error occuring with
sp1 as well.. and again firefox is fine... and windows 2000 users...
and lan users... no external users.... external users appear to
authenticate but recieve a page cannot be displayed error, they are
reprompted for a password if it is typed incorrectly...
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:01:16 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - - [02/Sep/2004:02:40:06 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 401 467 "-" "Mo
> zilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:47:02 -0400, Joshua Slive <js...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:40:29 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have currently discovered a problem which i cannot seem to figure
> > > out. I have a linux box set up properly to utilize .htaccess auth.
> > > this also have a number of vhosts, etc... .htaccess auth is set up on
> > > one vhost. apache was built from source.
> > >
> > > Following tests performed:
> > >
> > > 1. Windows XP SP2 Interal network access, (on LAN) : Authenticate, Access fine
> > >
> > > 2. Windows XP SP2 External network access (80 forwarded):
> > > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> > >
> > > 3. Windows XP SP2 External network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
> > > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> >
> > What do the logs say?
> >
> > You're not relying on the http://user:pass@host/ style of
> > authentication, are you?
> >
> > Joshua.
> >
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
Hey guys, Thanks for all the help, the problem was allocated to an
stiff ids policy at the router level, i will post the specifics later
on...thanks again for all the help in identifying the problem!
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:01:16 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - - [02/Sep/2004:02:40:06 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 401 467 "-" "Mo
> zilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:47:02 -0400, Joshua Slive <js...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:40:29 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have currently discovered a problem which i cannot seem to figure
> > > out. I have a linux box set up properly to utilize .htaccess auth.
> > > this also have a number of vhosts, etc... .htaccess auth is set up on
> > > one vhost. apache was built from source.
> > >
> > > Following tests performed:
> > >
> > > 1. Windows XP SP2 Interal network access, (on LAN) : Authenticate, Access fine
> > >
> > > 2. Windows XP SP2 External network access (80 forwarded):
> > > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> > >
> > > 3. Windows XP SP2 External network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
> > > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> >
> > What do the logs say?
> >
> > You're not relying on the http://user:pass@host/ style of
> > authentication, are you?
> >
> > Joshua.
> >
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
nothing in error, only access, no reprompt for password, it just goes
straight to a page cannot be displayed...the only consistancies are
that with different versions of windows, some work some dont, win 2k3
server was tested and worked... ima try mac next... there are plenty
of the same logs as below..
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 15:01:16 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - - [02/Sep/2004:02:40:06 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 401 467 "-" "Mo
> zilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:47:02 -0400, Joshua Slive <js...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:40:29 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I have currently discovered a problem which i cannot seem to figure
> > > out. I have a linux box set up properly to utilize .htaccess auth.
> > > this also have a number of vhosts, etc... .htaccess auth is set up on
> > > one vhost. apache was built from source.
> > >
> > > Following tests performed:
> > >
> > > 1. Windows XP SP2 Interal network access, (on LAN) : Authenticate, Access fine
> > >
> > > 2. Windows XP SP2 External network access (80 forwarded):
> > > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> > >
> > > 3. Windows XP SP2 External network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
> > > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> >
> > What do the logs say?
> >
> > You're not relying on the http://user:pass@host/ style of
> > authentication, are you?
> >
> > Joshua.
> >
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
- - [02/Sep/2004:02:40:06 -0400] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 401 467 "-" "Mo
zilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)"
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:47:02 -0400, Joshua Slive <js...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:40:29 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have currently discovered a problem which i cannot seem to figure
> > out. I have a linux box set up properly to utilize .htaccess auth.
> > this also have a number of vhosts, etc... .htaccess auth is set up on
> > one vhost. apache was built from source.
> >
> > Following tests performed:
> >
> > 1. Windows XP SP2 Interal network access, (on LAN) : Authenticate, Access fine
> >
> > 2. Windows XP SP2 External network access (80 forwarded):
> > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
> >
> > 3. Windows XP SP2 External network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
> > Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
>
> What do the logs say?
>
> You're not relying on the http://user:pass@host/ style of
> authentication, are you?
>
> Joshua.
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Joshua Slive <js...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:40:29 -0400, elec <el...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have currently discovered a problem which i cannot seem to figure
> out. I have a linux box set up properly to utilize .htaccess auth.
> this also have a number of vhosts, etc... .htaccess auth is set up on
> one vhost. apache was built from source.
>
> Following tests performed:
>
> 1. Windows XP SP2 Interal network access, (on LAN) : Authenticate, Access fine
>
> 2. Windows XP SP2 External network access (80 forwarded):
> Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
>
> 3. Windows XP SP2 External network access (1to1 NAT allow all):
> Authenticate, "Page cannot be displayed"
What do the logs say?
You're not relying on the http://user:pass@host/ style of
authentication, are you?
Joshua.
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[users@httpd] Page display problem Win XP SP2
Posted by Viktor Soderqvist <vi...@knoeffnet.net>.
Hi there
I'm currently using XAMPP for windows which basically is the same as
LAMPP. After setting it up as I used to, some dirs won't display (ie
index page won't load, no files whatsoever from that dir). This worked
with earlier versions of XAMPP (and thus apache) like 2.0.48.
Attatched (I attatched it because I thought that the HTTP headers might
be a little long to paste in this mail, and no, they are not viruses ;))
is HTTP headers captured along with the config for the webalizer dir -
serendipity dir doesn't need any configuration else than a .htaccess
file. The working dir is http://marinmo.dyndns.org/serendipity/ and the
non-working (there are multiple non-working dirs, I just chose one) is
http://marinmo.dyndns.org/webalizer/
Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Viktor
Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
elec wrote:
> things are quiet wierd with this, but surpisingly this isnt the only
> server this is happening to... reevaluating this all i dont know if i
> can say the problem lies within sp2 directly because one computer with
> sp2 on the external network was able to access things fine.
> sure you can test it out, but if you can please email me privately for
> the information or give me your aim/msn/skype contact information
I cannot give an specific reason I would like to test it, but otherwise it
feels like shooting in the dark.
Couldn't you set up a stripped down, simple demo of this problem, and post
the URI? The best thing with mailing lists like this is that you can get
many eyes, and thus more ideas. I, for example, don't think I have access to
IE on XP/SP2, but I'm sure there are at least a few out there that does,
which can verify the problem.
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
things are quiet wierd with this, but surpisingly this isnt the only
server this is happening to... reevaluating this all i dont know if i
can say the problem lies within sp2 directly because one computer with
sp2 on the external network was able to access things fine. sure you
can test it out, but if you can please email me privately for the
information or give me your aim/msn/skype contact information
On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:06 +0200, Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu> wrote:
> elec wrote:
> > no, it doesnt appear that the client is sending a second request, it
> > looks like the client authenticates, but the page just isnt getting
> > sent. if the wrong password is entered, the client recieves a second
> > request.
>
> It sounds really suspicous. Microsoft did quite a few changes in Internet
> Explorer with SP2 (as Jeff pointed out). However, to my knowledge, they
> shouldn't affect plain Basic Auth.
>
> I am myself currently rewriting a few authentication systems, that doesn't
> work anymore because of MS's new "security" features; although they involved
> a few dirty tricks.
>
> > the only anything in between the client and the server is a cisco pix
> > and router, with packet inspection enabled, they have both been turned
> > off to eliminate that from the equation, also an allow all one to one
> > was set up to eliminate it completely. however if it was the router's
> > fault, i'd expect the problem to reoccur with firefox, or other
> > versions of windows....this is not the case..
>
> Yes, but different browsers sends a different set of headers with the
> request, which can cause such router to treat them differently. From your
> original question, you said that IE SP2 worked from inside the LAN, but not
> from outside.
>
> Do you have a public URI to this authentication, so we can see for ourselves
> how it is setup?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Robert Andersson
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
elec wrote:
> no, it doesnt appear that the client is sending a second request, it
> looks like the client authenticates, but the page just isnt getting
> sent. if the wrong password is entered, the client recieves a second
> request.
It sounds really suspicous. Microsoft did quite a few changes in Internet
Explorer with SP2 (as Jeff pointed out). However, to my knowledge, they
shouldn't affect plain Basic Auth.
I am myself currently rewriting a few authentication systems, that doesn't
work anymore because of MS's new "security" features; although they involved
a few dirty tricks.
> the only anything in between the client and the server is a cisco pix
> and router, with packet inspection enabled, they have both been turned
> off to eliminate that from the equation, also an allow all one to one
> was set up to eliminate it completely. however if it was the router's
> fault, i'd expect the problem to reoccur with firefox, or other
> versions of windows....this is not the case..
Yes, but different browsers sends a different set of headers with the
request, which can cause such router to treat them differently. From your
original question, you said that IE SP2 worked from inside the LAN, but not
from outside.
Do you have a public URI to this authentication, so we can see for ourselves
how it is setup?
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
no, it doesnt appear that the client is sending a second request, it
looks like the client authenticates, but the page just isnt getting
sent. if the wrong password is entered, the client recieves a second
request.
the only anything in between the client and the server is a cisco pix
and router, with packet inspection enabled, they have both been turned
off to eliminate that from the equation, also an allow all one to one
was set up to eliminate it completely. however if it was the router's
fault, i'd expect the problem to reoccur with firefox, or other
versions of windows....this is not the case..
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:15:18 +0200, Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu> wrote:
> elec wrote:
> > now remember that it definately appears that the client is
> > authenticating, however after the authencation, it cannot view the
> > page, and when authentication is turned off, everything displays
> > correctly.
>
> When a "normal" client is accessing a protected resource, the generic
> sequence is:
> - C: GET /protected HTTP/1.1
> - S: HTTP/1.1 401 Authentication Required
> - C: (prompts user for username/password)
> - C: GET /protected HTTP/1.1 (including username/password)
> - S: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>
> Is your failing client sending the second request, and if so, what does it
> look like? Is Apache ever sending the second response, and if so, what does
> it look like?
>
> And, again, is there *any* sort of proxying between the server and client?
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Robert Andersson
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
elec wrote:
> now remember that it definately appears that the client is
> authenticating, however after the authencation, it cannot view the
> page, and when authentication is turned off, everything displays
> correctly.
When a "normal" client is accessing a protected resource, the generic
sequence is:
- C: GET /protected HTTP/1.1
- S: HTTP/1.1 401 Authentication Required
- C: (prompts user for username/password)
- C: GET /protected HTTP/1.1 (including username/password)
- S: HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Is your failing client sending the second request, and if so, what does it
look like? Is Apache ever sending the second response, and if so, what does
it look like?
And, again, is there *any* sort of proxying between the server and client?
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
i cannot really tell you to much about when the response occured, i
received to instances within ettercap, one containing the information
pasted, and the other being blank. and this was ran on the server
friendly error messages have been disabled and all that is shown is
'page cannot be displayed'
now remember that it definately appears that the client is
authenticating, however after the authencation, it cannot view the
page, and when authentication is turned off, everything displays
correctly. i guess what i am really confused about is that if there is
a problem on the server side, why would it be working with firefox or
older versions of windows. so if it is the authentication header,
wouldnt the problem reflect in all browsers, assuming that all of
these things apply to a certian standard.
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 10:55:00 +0200, Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu> wrote:
> elec wrote:
> > Sniffed Traffic: with ettercap
> >
> > HTTP/1.1 401 Authorization Required
> > WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Password Required"
> > (snip)
>
> This is Apache response to the initial request. Looks alright. Was this
> sniffed at the server or the client? Did the user agent prompt for
> username/password as response to this?
>
> > GET / HTTP/1.1
> > Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> > application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
> > application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*
> > Accept-Language: en-us
> > Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
> > CLR 1.1.4322)
> > Host: hostname
> > Connection: Keep-Alive
>
> Was this before or after the response above? If after, something is wrong as
> it should include an Authenticate header.
>
> Again, go into Internet Explorer's advanced preferences and disable
> "friendly error messages", so that you can see what really is going on.
>
> Regards,
> Robert Andersson
>
>
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
elec wrote:
> Sniffed Traffic: with ettercap
>
> HTTP/1.1 401 Authorization Required
> WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Password Required"
> (snip)
This is Apache response to the initial request. Looks alright. Was this
sniffed at the server or the client? Did the user agent prompt for
username/password as response to this?
> GET / HTTP/1.1
> Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
> application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
> application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*
> Accept-Language: en-us
> Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
> CLR 1.1.4322)
> Host: hostname
> Connection: Keep-Alive
Was this before or after the response above? If after, something is wrong as
it should include an Authenticate header.
Again, go into Internet Explorer's advanced preferences and disable
"friendly error messages", so that you can see what really is going on.
Regards,
Robert Andersson
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
Sniffed Traffic: with ettercap
HTTP/1.1 401 Authorization Required
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 03:28:03 GMT
Server: Apache
WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Password Required"
Content-Length: 467
Keep-Alive: timeout=15, max=100
Connection: Keep-Alive
Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN">
<html><head>
<title>401 Authorization Required</title>
</head><body>
<h1>Authorization Required</h1>
<p>This server could not verify that you
are authorized to access the document
requested. Either you supplied the wrong
credentials (e.g., bad password), or your
browser doesn't understand how to supply
the credentials required.</p>
<hr />
<address>Apache Server at host Port 80</address>
</body></html>
GET / HTTP/1.1
Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg,
application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint,
application/msword, application/x-shockwave-flash, */*
Accept-Language: en-us
Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322)
Host: hostname
Connection: Keep-Alive
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:47:36 -0500, Jeff White <jl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: "Robert Andersson"
>
> > elec wrote:
> >> umm so firefox works fine.... just not ie
> >>
> >> > Use a network scanner (http://www.ethereal.org/)
> >
> > You'll need to do that, in order to discover what IE (SP2) is
> > sending that
> > cause it to fail.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Robert Andersson
> >
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Jeff White <jl...@earthlink.net>.
From: "Robert Andersson"
> elec wrote:
>> umm so firefox works fine.... just not ie
>>
>> > Use a network scanner (http://www.ethereal.org/)
>
> You'll need to do that, in order to discover what IE (SP2) is
> sending that
> cause it to fail.
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
elec wrote:
> umm so firefox works fine.... just not ie
>
> > Use a network scanner (http://www.ethereal.org/)
You'll need to do that, in order to discover what IE (SP2) is sending that
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by elec <el...@gmail.com>.
umm so firefox works fine.... just not ie
On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:46:50 +0200, Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu> wrote:
> elec wrote:
> > im not sure what the hell is going on
>
> Use a network scanner (http://www.ethereal.org/) to see what is really
> coming through to Apache. It seems likely that a proxy is manipulating the
> request and/or response.
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> browser (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/).
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Re: [users@httpd] Page display problem XPSP2
Posted by Robert Andersson <ro...@profundis.nu>.
elec wrote:
> im not sure what the hell is going on
Use a network scanner (http://www.ethereal.org/) to see what is really
coming through to Apache. It seems likely that a proxy is manipulating the
request and/or response.
Also, disable those shitty "friendly" error pages, or test with a real
browser (http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/).
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Robert Andersson
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