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ApacheCon CFP

Hi folks,

I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.

I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
I will not be there unfortunately.

Regards,
Christian

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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.

Please let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
-Remko

On Friday, January 31, 2014, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Alright, thanks for the info guys! I've started writing out the abstract
> and such for the presentation. I think that's a good idea submitting two
> CFPs (presentation and tutorial). I'll forward the CFPs after I'm done to
> the list here for any ideas.
>
> Nick, you said you'll be going, right? And according to the log4j site,
> you're based in Chicago? So am I!
>
>
> On 30 January 2014 13:28, Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, I wouldn't compare SLF4J against Log4j.  SLF4J is just an API where
> we provide a full implementation.  The main alternatives are
> java.util.Logging (aka JUL), Logback, and Log4j 1.x.  if you search you
> will find a few others too.
>
> I would think you should submit 2 proposals and split your talks into an
> intro to Log4j 2 and then a how-to session.
>
> I will be glad to help in any way I can.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Please don't wait any longer Matt.
> >
> >
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
> > Submission must arrive before (!) 1.02. and they will not extend this
> deadline.
> >
> > However you talk sounds good. Just from experience, people are sometimes
> setup
> > when they hear they should move their facade from slf4j to log4j2 again.
> Be prepared
> > to have good arguments
> >
> > Any great if you could submit a proposal!
> >
> > On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Matt Sicker wrote:
> >
> >> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
> >>
> >> Matt Sicker
> >>
> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <
> nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's
> right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue
> getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee
> will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at
> tac@apache.org.
> >>>
> >>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a
> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're
> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> >>>
> >>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split
> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms
> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> >>>
> >>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I
> asked Rich.
> >>>
> >>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of
> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction
> of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
> whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are
> together in a room to make it happen.
> >>>
> >>>> - What exactly is a tut
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boards@gmail.com');>>
>
>

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.

Alright, thanks for the info guys! I've started writing out the abstract
and such for the presentation. I think that's a good idea submitting two
CFPs (presentation and tutorial). I'll forward the CFPs after I'm done to
the list here for any ideas.

Nick, you said you'll be going, right? And according to the log4j site,
you're based in Chicago? So am I!


On 30 January 2014 13:28, Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> FWIW, I wouldn’t compare SLF4J against Log4j.  SLF4J is just an API where
> we provide a full implementation.  The main alternatives are
> java.util.Logging (aka JUL), Logback, and Log4j 1.x.  if you search you
> will find a few others too.
>
> I would think you should submit 2 proposals and split your talks into an
> intro to Log4j 2 and then a how-to session.
>
> I will be glad to help in any way I can.
>
> Ralph
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Please don't wait any longer Matt.
> >
> >
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
> > Submission must arrive before (!) 1.02. and they will not extend this
> deadline.
> >
> > However you talk sounds good. Just from experience, people are sometimes
> setup
> > when they hear they should move their facade from slf4j to log4j2 again.
> Be prepared
> > to have good arguments
> >
> > Any great if you could submit a proposal!
> >
> > On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Matt Sicker wrote:
> >
> >> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
> >>
> >> Matt Sicker
> >>
> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <
> nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's
> right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue
> getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee
> will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at
> tac@apache.org.
> >>>
> >>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a
> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're
> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> >>>
> >>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split
> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms
> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> >>>
> >>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I
> asked Rich.
> >>>
> >>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of
> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction
> of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
> whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are
> together in a room to make it happen.
> >>>
> >>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on
> the normal days?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements -
> more of a training class than an overview.
> >>>
> >>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but
> it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any
> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference,
> right?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: That's correct.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials
> on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for
> full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> >>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
> /committers/?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> >>>
> >>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone
> (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April
> 11th as well)?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> >>>
> >>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or
> 11th?
> >>>
> >>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
> project, and no extra fee is charged.
> >>>
> >>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means
> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
> >>>
> >>> Rich: That is correct.
> >>>
> >>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of
> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> >>>>
> >>>> Nick
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ralph
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
> >>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging
> frameworks.
> >>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> Christian
> >>>>>>
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.

FWIW, I wouldn’t compare SLF4J against Log4j.  SLF4J is just an API where we provide a full implementation.  The main alternatives are java.util.Logging (aka JUL), Logback, and Log4j 1.x.  if you search you will find a few others too.

I would think you should submit 2 proposals and split your talks into an intro to Log4j 2 and then a how-to session.  

I will be glad to help in any way I can.

Ralph

On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Please don't wait any longer Matt.
> 
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
> Submission must arrive before (!) 1.02. and they will not extend this deadline.
> 
> However you talk sounds good. Just from experience, people are sometimes setup
> when they hear they should move their facade from slf4j to log4j2 again. Be prepared
> to have good arguments
> 
> Any great if you could submit a proposal!
> 
> On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Matt Sicker wrote:
> 
>> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
>> 
>> Matt Sicker
>> 
>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>> 
>>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>> 
>>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>> 
>>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
>>> 
>>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>> 
>>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>> 
>>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
>>> 
>>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>> 
>>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
>>> 
>>> Rich: That's correct.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
>>> 
>>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>> 
>>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>>> 
>>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>> 
>>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>>> 
>>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>> 
>>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>> 
>>> Rich: That is correct.
>>> 
>>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>> 
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
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>>>>>> @grobmeier
>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

Please don't wait any longer Matt.

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
Submission must arrive before (!) 1.02. and they will not extend this 
deadline.

However you talk sounds good. Just from experience, people are sometimes 
setup
when they hear they should move their facade from slf4j to log4j2 again. 
Be prepared
to have good arguments

Any great if you could submit a proposal!

On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Matt Sicker wrote:

> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a 
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is 
> anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to 
> cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than 
> SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject 
> trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the 
> API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging 
> configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other 
> logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components 
> (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. 
> Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place 
> to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of 
> expertise.
>
> Matt Sicker
>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams 
>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>
>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's 
>> right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an 
>> issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel 
>> Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. 
>> Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>
>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to 
>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from 
>> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even 
>> have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate 
>> so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each 
>> other.
>>
>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for 
>> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm 
>> looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel 
>> room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can 
>> use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in 
>> Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's 
>> five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can 
>> split the price accordingly.
>>
>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I 
>> asked Rich.
>>
>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great 
>> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>
>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of 
>> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the 
>> direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project 
>> summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the 
>> PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>
>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on 
>>> the normal days?
>>
>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main 
>> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on 
>> elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>
>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but 
>>> it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer 
>>> on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the 
>>> entire conference, right?
>>
>> Rich: That's correct.
>>
>>>
>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials 
>>> on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and 
>>> $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it 
>>> doesn't say is:
>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for 
>>> /committers/?
>>
>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>
>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone 
>>> (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on 
>>> April 11th as well)?
>>
>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>
>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 
>>> 11th?
>>
>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the 
>> project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>
>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that 
>>> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which 
>>> means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>
>> Rich: That is correct.
>>
>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on 
>>> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf 
>>> of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging 
>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nicholas Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

I have just been told that a couple of our presentations were miss-marked. Please stand by... :-)

Nick

Sent from my iPhone, so please forgive brief replies and frequent typos

> On Feb 18, 2014, at 7:38, Nicholas Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately, they have wait-listed ALL FOUR of our presentations. It's rather maddening how they kept emailing us saying "your project isn't represented" and "not enough people have submitted CFPs," and now they decided that our project won't be represented. 
> 
> Nick
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, so please forgive brief replies and frequent typos
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:00, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well done guys!
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> G 
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>> Matt and I coordinated off-list today and got our presentation proposals submitted to ApacheCon. Assuming they're all accepted, Log4j will have four presentations representing it. Go us!
>>>> 
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also take on "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts" and leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've been using the following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:
>>>> >
>>>> >>      • Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
>>>> >>      • Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations, Business/Legal, Wildcard)
>>>> >>      • Provide a biography, including your previous speaking experience (900 characters maximum).
>>>> >>      • Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting at the event (900 characters maximum).
>>>> >>      • Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
>>>> >>      • Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
>>>> >>      • Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, Any).
>>>> >>      • List any technical requirements that you have for your presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and wireless Internet.
>>>> >
>>>> > -------
>>>> > Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
>>>> > Experience: Intermediate
>>>> >
>>>> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support than previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper initialization and deinitialization of the framework with the application lifecycle. The Servlet and JSP specifications have changed significantly in the 12 years since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of those changes make logging easier, and some of them make it harder. In this presentation you will learn about properly configuring Log4j in a web application, what to do when the container is using Log4j, how to log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag library, and what to do when handling requests asynchronously.
>>>> >
>>>> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and how they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take a look at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j and learn when each approach is appropriate and--more importantly--when it's not. They'll explore some of the pitfalls of asynchronous request handling and learn about the important tools that Log4j provides to help and the steps they must take to keep logging working. Finally, they'll see that logging in JSPs is easy, too, and doesn't require a single line of Java code.
>>>> >
>>>> > Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than the other three.
>>>> > -------
>>>> >
>>>> > -------
>>>> > Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>>> > Experience: Intermediate
>>>> >
>>>> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you desire. Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and NoSQLAppender, allowing you to store your log events in essentially any database you can imagine. While very powerful, configuring these appenders requires more knowledge and care than configuring standard file appenders with the PatternLayout. In this presentation you will learn more about these appenders, how to properly configure and use them, and how to easily support your specific NoSQL database of choice.
>>>> >
>>>> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders involves carefully mapping log event properties to columns and creating appropriate database tables and columns to match. Audience members will learn about these nuances and explore the various options, as well as how to achieve the best performance possible. Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are supported initially, but creating support for
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nicholas Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Unfortunately, they have wait-listed ALL FOUR of our presentations. It's rather maddening how they kept emailing us saying "your project isn't represented" and "not enough people have submitted CFPs," and now they decided that our project won't be represented. 

Nick

Sent from my iPhone, so please forgive brief replies and frequent typos

> On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:00, Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well done guys!
> 
> +1
> 
> G 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>> Matt and I coordinated off-list today and got our presentation proposals submitted to ApacheCon. Assuming they're all accepted, Log4j will have four presentations representing it. Go us!
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>> 
>>> > Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also take on "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts" and leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've been using the following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:
>>> >
>>> >>      • Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
>>> >>      • Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations, Business/Legal, Wildcard)
>>> >>      • Provide a biography, including your previous speaking experience (900 characters maximum).
>>> >>      • Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting at the event (900 characters maximum).
>>> >>      • Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
>>> >>      • Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
>>> >>      • Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, Any).
>>> >>      • List any technical requirements that you have for your presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and wireless Internet.
>>> >
>>> > -------
>>> > Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
>>> > Experience: Intermediate
>>> >
>>> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support than previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper initialization and deinitialization of the framework with the application lifecycle. The Servlet and JSP specifications have changed significantly in the 12 years since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of those changes make logging easier, and some of them make it harder. In this presentation you will learn about properly configuring Log4j in a web application, what to do when the container is using Log4j, how to log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag library, and what to do when handling requests asynchronously.
>>> >
>>> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and how they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take a look at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j and learn when each approach is appropriate and--more importantly--when it's not. They'll explore some of the pitfalls of asynchronous request handling and learn about the important tools that Log4j provides to help and the steps they must take to keep logging working. Finally, they'll see that logging in JSPs is easy, too, and doesn't require a single line of Java code.
>>> >
>>> > Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than the other three.
>>> > -------
>>> >
>>> > -------
>>> > Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>> > Experience: Intermediate
>>> >
>>> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you desire. Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and NoSQLAppender, allowing you to store your log events in essentially any database you can imagine. While very powerful, configuring these appenders requires more knowledge and care than configuring standard file appenders with the PatternLayout. In this presentation you will learn more about these appenders, how to properly configure and use them, and how to easily support your specific NoSQL database of choice.
>>> >
>>> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders involves carefully mapping log event properties to columns and creating appropriate database tables and columns to match. Audience members will learn about these nuances and explore the various options, as well as how to achieve the best performance possible. Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are supported initially, but creating support for
> 
> 
> 
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> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition
> JUnit in Action, Second Edition
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Gary Gregory <ga...@gmail.com>.

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 9:40 PM, Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well done guys!
>

+1

G

>
> On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Matt and I coordinated off-list today and got our presentation proposals
>> submitted to ApacheCon. Assuming they're all accepted, Log4j will have four
>> presentations representing it. Go us!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>
>> > Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my
>> proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your
>> proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're
>> uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also take on
>> "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts" and
>> leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've been using the
>> following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:
>> >
>> >>      • Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
>> >>      • Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations,
>> Business/Legal, Wildcard)
>> >>      • Provide a biography, including your previous speaking
>> experience (900 characters maximum).
>> >>      • Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting
>> at the event (900 characters maximum).
>> >>      • Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain
>> from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
>> >>      • Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better
>> the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
>> >>      • Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced,
>> Any).
>> >>      • List any technical requirements that you have for your
>> presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and wireless
>> Internet.
>> >
>> > -------
>> > Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE
>> Logging
>> > Experience: Intermediate
>> >
>> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support than
>> previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper initialization
>> and deinitialization of the framework with the application lifecycle. The
>> Servlet and JSP specifications have changed significantly in the 12 years
>> since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of those changes make logging easier,
>> and some of them make it harder. In this presentation you will learn about
>> properly configuring Log4j in a web application, what to do when the
>> container is using Log4j, how to log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag
>> library, and what to do when handling requests asynchronously.
>> >
>> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the
>> lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and how
>> they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take a look
>> at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j and learn
>> when each approach is appropriate and--more importantly--when it's not.
>> They'll explore some of the pitfalls of asynchronous request handling and
>> learn about the important tools that Log4j provides to help and the steps
>> they must take to keep logging working. Finally, they'll see that logging
>> in JSPs is easy, too, and doesn't require a single line of Java code.
>> >
>> > Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different
>> presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These
>> presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new
>> version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other
>> frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and
>> contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two
>> presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most
>> part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New
>> Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than
>> the other three.
>> > -------
>> >
>> > -------
>> > Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>> > Experience: Intermediate
>> >
>> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different
>> appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you desire.
>> Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and NoSQLAppender, allowing
>> you to store your log events in essentially any database you can imagine.
>> While very powerful, configuring these appenders requires more knowledge
>> and care than configuring standard file appenders with the PatternLayout.
>> In this presentation you will learn more about these appenders, how to
>> properly configure and use them, and how to easily support your specific
>> NoSQL database of choice.
>> >
>> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how
>> these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders involves
>> carefully mapping log event properties to columns and creating appropriate
>> database tables and columns to match. Audience members will learn about
>> these nuances and explore the various options, as well as how to achieve
>> the best performance possible. Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are
>> supported initially, but creating support for
>>
>


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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.

Well done guys!

On Sunday, February 2, 2014, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
wrote:

> Matt and I coordinated off-list today and got our presentation proposals
> submitted to ApacheCon. Assuming they're all accepted, Log4j will have four
> presentations representing it. Go us!
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Nick Williams wrote:
>
> > Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my
> proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your
> proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're
> uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also take on
> "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts" and
> leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've been using the
> following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:
> >
> >>      * Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
> >>      * Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations,
> Business/Legal, Wildcard)
> >>      * Provide a biography, including your previous speaking experience
> (900 characters maximum).
> >>      * Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting at
> the event (900 characters maximum).
> >>      * Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain
> from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
> >>      * Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better
> the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
> >>      * Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced,
> Any).
> >>      * List any technical requirements that you have for your
> presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and wireless
> Internet.
> >
> > -------
> > Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE
> Logging
> > Experience: Intermediate
> >
> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support than
> previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper initialization
> and deinitialization of the framework with the application lifecycle. The
> Servlet and JSP specifications have changed significantly in the 12 years
> since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of those changes make logging easier,
> and some of them make it harder. In this presentation you will learn about
> properly configuring Log4j in a web application, what to do when the
> container is using Log4j, how to log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag
> library, and what to do when handling requests asynchronously.
> >
> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the
> lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and how
> they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take a look
> at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j and learn
> when each approach is appropriate and--more importantly--when it's not.
> They'll explore some of the pitfalls of asynchronous request handling and
> learn about the important tools that Log4j provides to help and the steps
> they must take to keep logging working. Finally, they'll see that logging
> in JSPs is easy, too, and doesn't require a single line of Java code.
> >
> > Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different
> presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These
> presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new
> version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other
> frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and
> contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two
> presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most
> part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New
> Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than
> the other three.
> > -------
> >
> > -------
> > Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> > Experience: Intermediate
> >
> > Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different
> appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you desire.
> Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and NoSQLAppender, allowing
> you to store your log events in essentially any database you can imagine.
> While very powerful, configuring these appenders requires more knowledge
> and care than configuring standard file appenders with the PatternLayout.
> In this presentation you will learn more about these appenders, how to
> properly configure and use them, and how to easily support your specific
> NoSQL database of choice.
> >
> > Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how
> these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders involves
> carefully mapping log event properties to columns and creating appropriate
> database tables and columns to match. Audience members will learn about
> these nuances and explore the various options, as well as how to achieve
> the best performance possible. Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are
> supported initially, but creating support for

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Matt and I coordinated off-list today and got our presentation proposals submitted to ApacheCon. Assuming they're all accepted, Log4j will have four presentations representing it. Go us!

Nick

On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:25 PM, Nick Williams wrote:

> Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also take on "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts" and leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've been using the following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:
> 
>> 	• Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
>> 	• Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations, Business/Legal, Wildcard)
>> 	• Provide a biography, including your previous speaking experience (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting at the event (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, Any).
>> 	• List any technical requirements that you have for your presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and wireless Internet.
> 
> -------
> Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
> Experience: Intermediate
> 
> Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support than previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper initialization and deinitialization of the framework with the application lifecycle. The Servlet and JSP specifications have changed significantly in the 12 years since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of those changes make logging easier, and some of them make it harder. In this presentation you will learn about properly configuring Log4j in a web application, what to do when the container is using Log4j, how to log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag library, and what to do when handling requests asynchronously.
> 
> Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and how they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take a look at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j and learn when each approach is appropriate and--more importantly--when it's not. They'll explore some of the pitfalls of asynchronous request handling and learn about the important tools that Log4j provides to help and the steps they must take to keep logging working. Finally, they'll see that logging in JSPs is easy, too, and doesn't require a single line of Java code.
> 
> Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than the other three.
> -------
> 
> -------
> Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> Experience: Intermediate
> 
> Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you desire. Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and NoSQLAppender, allowing you to store your log events in essentially any database you can imagine. While very powerful, configuring these appenders requires more knowledge and care than configuring standard file appenders with the PatternLayout. In this presentation you will learn more about these appenders, how to properly configure and use them, and how to easily support your specific NoSQL database of choice.
> 
> Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders involves carefully mapping log event properties to columns and creating appropriate database tables and columns to match. Audience members will learn about these nuances and explore the various options, as well as how to achieve the best performance possible. Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are supported initially, but creating support for new NoSQL databases is easy. The audience will learn how to do this and also be encouraged to contribute their creations back to the Log4j 2 source code.
> 
> Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than the other three.
> -------
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
> 
>> Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, neat.
>> 
>> In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One of the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?
>> 
>> Matt Sicker
>> 
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>> Matt,
>>>> 
>>>> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?
>>>> 
>>>> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.
>>> 
>>> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we split it? That arrangement. works fine for me.
>>> 
>>> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about these four:
>>>> 
>>>> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
>>>> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
>>>> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>>> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>>>> 
>>>> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.
>>> 
>>> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to include the performance studies mentioned on the website and information about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them with each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
>>> 
>>> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!
>>>> 
>>>> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>>>> Nick
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt Sicker
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: That's correct.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>>>>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rich: That is correct.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>>>>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

I sound like a broken record, but please submit it right now,
as CFP is closed by 01.02.

Stop talking too much upfront, you surely can switch a few things.

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp

Both talks btw sound very interesting!

On 1 Feb 2014, at 6:25, Nick Williams wrote:

> Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my 
> proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your 
> proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're 
> uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also 
> take on "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and 
> Layouts" and leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've 
> been using the following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:
>
>> 	• Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
>> 	• Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations, 
>> Business/Legal, Wildcard)
>> 	• Provide a biography, including your previous speaking experience 
>> (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting at 
>> the event (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain 
>> from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better 
>> the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
>> 	• Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, 
>> Any).
>> 	• List any technical requirements that you have for your 
>> presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and 
>> wireless Internet.
>
> -------
> Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE 
> Logging
> Experience: Intermediate
>
> Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support 
> than previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper 
> initialization and deinitialization of the framework with the 
> application lifecycle. The Servlet and JSP specifications have changed 
> significantly in the 12 years since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of 
> those changes make logging easier, and some of them make it harder. In 
> this presentation you will learn about properly configuring Log4j in a 
> web application, what to do when the container is using Log4j, how to 
> log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag library, and what to do when 
> handling requests asynchronously.
>
> Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the 
> lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and 
> how they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take 
> a look at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j 
> and learn when each approach is appropriate and--more 
> importantly--when it's not. They'll explore some of the pitfalls of 
> asynchronous request handling and learn about the important tools that 
> Log4j provides to help and the steps they must take to keep logging 
> working. Finally, they'll see that logging in JSPs is easy, too, and 
> doesn't require a single line of Java code.
>
> Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different 
> presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These 
> presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the 
> new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other 
> frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and 
> contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting 
> two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the 
> most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 
> 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the 
> schedule than the other three.
> -------
>
> -------
> Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> Experience: Intermediate
>
> Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different 
> appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you 
> desire. Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and 
> NoSQLAppender, allowing you to store your log events in essentially 
> any database you can imagine. While very powerful, configuring these 
> appenders requires more knowledge and care than configuring standard 
> file appenders with the PatternLayout. In this presentation you will 
> learn more about these appenders, how to properly configure and use 
> them, and how to easily support your specific NoSQL database of 
> choice.
>
> Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how 
> these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders 
> involves carefully mapping log event properties to columns and 
> creating appropriate database tables and columns to match. Audience 
> members will learn about these nuances and explore the various 
> options, as well as how to achieve the best performance possible. 
> Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are supported initially, but 
> creating support for new NoSQL databases is easy. The audience will 
> learn how to do this and also be encouraged to contribute their 
> creations back to the Log4j 2 source code.
>
> Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different 
> presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These 
> presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the 
> new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other 
> frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and 
> contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting 
> two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the 
> most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 
> 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the 
> schedule than the other three.
> -------
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
>> Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, 
>> neat.
>>
>> In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One 
>> of the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?
>>
>> Matt Sicker
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams 
>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams 
>>>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>> Matt,
>>>>
>>>> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help 
>>>> my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer 
>>>> support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on 
>>>> being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night 
>>>> through Thursday night)—you?
>>>>
>>>> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which 
>>>> days I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the 
>>>> same ones.
>>>
>>> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which 
>>> I guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and 
>>> then you can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights 
>>> we split it? That arrangement. works fine for me.
>>>
>>> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say 
>>> America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was 
>>>> thinking about these four:
>>>>
>>>> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
>>>> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE 
>>>> Logging
>>>> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>>> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>>>>
>>>> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the 
>>>> ideas I had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but 
>>>> I have the least experience with the myriad Java EE technologies 
>>>> out of those four.
>>>
>>> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure 
>>> to include the performance studies mentioned on the website and 
>>> information about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger 
>>> interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the 
>>> second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them with 
>>> each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan 
>>> on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then 
>>> submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
>>>
>>> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a 
>>>> consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people 
>>>> there covering Log4j would be great!
>>>>
>>>> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with 
>>>> one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in 
>>>>> doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as 
>>>>> well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? 
>>>>> I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more 
>>>>> awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using 
>>>>> aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, 
>>>>> effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using 
>>>>> markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make 
>>>>> log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, 
>>>>> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, 
>>>>> etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in 
>>>>> one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to 
>>>>> cover and at what levels of expertise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt Sicker
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams 
>>>>>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's 
>>>>>> right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an 
>>>>>> issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel 
>>>>>> Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get 
>>>>>> there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to 
>>>>>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in 
>>>>>> from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we 
>>>>>> can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to 
>>>>>> coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not 
>>>>>> stepping on each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense 
>>>>>> for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. 
>>>>>> I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a 
>>>>>> hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys 
>>>>>> there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I 
>>>>>> plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel 
>>>>>> Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the 
>>>>>> hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions 
>>>>>> I asked Rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a 
>>>>>> great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" 
>>>>>> of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss 
>>>>>> the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A 
>>>>>> project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more 
>>>>>> members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk 
>>>>>>> on the normal days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the 
>>>>>> main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with 
>>>>>> hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), 
>>>>>>> but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a 
>>>>>>> committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to 
>>>>>>> attend the entire conference, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: That's correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for 
>>>>>>> tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for 
>>>>>>> students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and 
>>>>>>> attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>>>>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for 
>>>>>>> /committers/?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for 
>>>>>>> anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows 
>>>>>>> tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th 
>>>>>>> or 11th?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in 
>>>>>> the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume 
>>>>>>> that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs 
>>>>>>> submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: That is correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks 
>>>>>>> on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on 
>>>>>>> behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>>>>>>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 
>>>>>>>>> 2014.
>>>>>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our 
>>>>>>>>> Logging frameworks.
>>>>>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier
>>>>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>>>
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Matt, sorry for the delay. I've had a bad cold today. Ick. Anyway, my proposals are below. I haven't submitted them yet. Haven't seen your proposals yet--can you get them to me ASAP? If you decide you're uncomfortable committing to two presentations, I'm prepared to also take on "Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts" and leave you to deal with just the first/intro one. I've been using the following guidelines from the ApacheCon website:

> 	• Choose a submission type (Presentation, Panel, BoFs, Tutorial)
> 	• Choose the category for your proposal (Developer, Operations, Business/Legal, Wildcard)
> 	• Provide a biography, including your previous speaking experience (900 characters maximum).
> 	• Provide us with an abstract about what you will be presenting at the event (900 characters maximum).
> 	• Describe who the audience is and what you expect them to gain from your presentation (900 characters maximum).
> 	• Tell us how the content of your presentation will help better the Apache and open source ecosystem. (900 characters maximum).
> 	• Select the experience level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, Any).
> 	• List any technical requirements that you have for your presentation over and above the standard projector, screen and wireless Internet.

-------
Title: Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
Experience: Intermediate

Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 includes much greater support than previous versions for Java EE web applications and proper initialization and deinitialization of the framework with the application lifecycle. The Servlet and JSP specifications have changed significantly in the 12 years since Log4j 1.2 first released. Some of those changes make logging easier, and some of them make it harder. In this presentation you will learn about properly configuring Log4j in a web application, what to do when the container is using Log4j, how to log within your JSPs using the Log4j tag library, and what to do when handling requests asynchronously.

Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of the lifecycle and class loader hierarchy of Java EE web applications and how they affect the lifecycle and configuration of Log4j. They'll take a look at some of the different ways to initialize and configure Log4j and learn when each approach is appropriate and--more importantly--when it's not. They'll explore some of the pitfalls of asynchronous request handling and learn about the important tools that Log4j provides to help and the steps they must take to keep logging working. Finally, they'll see that logging in JSPs is easy, too, and doesn't require a single line of Java code.

Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than the other three.
-------

-------
Title: Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
Experience: Intermediate

Abstract: The newly-released Log4j 2 contains a number of different appenders to help you deliver log events to the storage device you desire. Among those are the JDBCAppender, JPAAppender, and NoSQLAppender, allowing you to store your log events in essentially any database you can imagine. While very powerful, configuring these appenders requires more knowledge and care than configuring standard file appenders with the PatternLayout. In this presentation you will learn more about these appenders, how to properly configure and use them, and how to easily support your specific NoSQL database of choice.

Audience Gain: The audience will gain a better understanding of how these three database appenders work. Configuring these appenders involves carefully mapping log event properties to columns and creating appropriate database tables and columns to match. Audience members will learn about these nuances and explore the various options, as well as how to achieve the best performance possible. Finally, only a few NoSQL databases are supported initially, but creating support for new NoSQL databases is easy. The audience will learn how to do this and also be encouraged to contribute their creations back to the Log4j 2 source code.

Benefit: This is one in a series of hopefully four different presentations on Log4j lead by the Apache Logging community. These presentations will benefit the community by providing exposure for the new version of Log4j, explaining its benefits and strengths over other frameworks, and encouraging Log4j users to improve the framework and contribute those improvements back to the community. I am submitting two presentations and Matt Sicker is submitting the other two. For the most part their order doesn't matter, but Matt's "An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging" should happen earlier on the schedule than the other three.
-------

Nick

On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:

> Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, neat.
> 
> In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One of the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?
> 
> Matt Sicker
> 
> On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>> 
>>> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>> Matt,
>>> 
>>> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?
>>> 
>>> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.
>> 
>> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we split it? That arrangement. works fine for me.
>> 
>> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
>> 
>>>  
>>> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about these four:
>>> 
>>> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
>>> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
>>> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>>> 
>>> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.
>> 
>> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to include the performance studies mentioned on the website and information about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them with each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
>> 
>> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>>>  
>>> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!
>>> 
>>> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
>>> >
>>> > Matt Sicker
>>> >
>>> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>> >>
>>> >> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>> >>
>>> >> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>> >>
>>> >> Nick
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>> >>
>>> >>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>> >>
>>> >>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: That's correct.
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>> >>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>> >>
>>> >>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>> >>
>>> >>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>> >>
>>> >>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: That is correct.
>>> >>
>>> >>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Nick
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ralph
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi folks,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>> >>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>> >>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>> Christian
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ---
>>> >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>> >>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>> >>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.

On Saturday, February 1, 2014, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 31 Jan 2014, at 14:49, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
>  Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, neat.
>>
>> In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One of
>> the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?
>>
>
> I always add the reconfiguration thing. Logback migth lose log events when
> re-configured hot, log4j doesn't.
>
> Also its more flexible (imho) due to its plugin mechanism


LOG4J2-506 is a good example of how flexible the plugin system is: a user
wants to do binary logging, and it turns out that with just a little bit of
custom code they can achieve what they need...


>  Matt Sicker
>
>  On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>  On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
>  On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my
> finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support,
> it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five
> days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)--you?
>
> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days
> I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.
>
>
> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I
> guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you
> can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we split it?
> That arrangement. works fine for me.
>
> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say
> America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
>
>
>  I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was
> thinking about these four:
>
> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>
> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I
> had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least
> experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.
>
>
> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to
> include the performance studies mentioned on the website and information
> about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in
> the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the second and third one. Before
> we submit them, let's trade them with each other for review, proofreading,
> and comments. How about we plan on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday
> evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
>
> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
>
> Nick
>
>
>  Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on
> which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j
> would be great!
>
> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as
> your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
>  I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
>
> Matt Sicker
>
>  On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
>
> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money
>
>

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

On 31 Jan 2014, at 14:49, Matt Sicker wrote:

> Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, 
> neat.
>
> In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One 
> of the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?

I always add the reconfiguration thing. Logback migth lose log events 
when re-configured hot, log4j doesn't.

Also its more flexible (imho) due to its plugin mechanism

> Matt Sicker
>
>> On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams 
>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams 
>>>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>> Matt,
>>>>
>>>> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help 
>>>> my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer 
>>>> support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on 
>>>> being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night 
>>>> through Thursday night)—you?
>>> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which 
>>> days I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the 
>>> same ones.
>>
>> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I 
>> guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then 
>> you can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we 
>> split it? That arrangement. works fine for me.
>>
>> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say 
>> America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
>>
>>>
>>>> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was 
>>>> thinking about these four:
>>>>
>>>> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
>>>> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE 
>>>> Logging
>>>> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>>> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>>> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the 
>>> ideas I had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I 
>>> have the least experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out 
>>> of those four.
>>
>> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure 
>> to include the performance studies mentioned on the website and 
>> information about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger 
>> interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the 
>> second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them with 
>> each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan 
>> on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then 
>> submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
>>
>> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>>
>>>> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a 
>>>> consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people 
>>>> there covering Log4j would be great!
>>> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with 
>>> one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in 
>>>>> doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as 
>>>>> well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? 
>>>>> I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more 
>>>>> awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using 
>>>>> aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, 
>>>>> effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using 
>>>>> markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make 
>>>>> log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, 
>>>>> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, 
>>>>> etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in 
>>>>> one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to 
>>>>> cover and at what levels of expertise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Matt Sicker
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams 
>>>>>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's 
>>>>>> right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an 
>>>>>> issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel 
>>>>>> Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get 
>>>>>> there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to 
>>>>>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in 
>>>>>> from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we 
>>>>>> can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to 
>>>>>> coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not 
>>>>>> stepping on each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense 
>>>>>> for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. 
>>>>>> I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a 
>>>>>> hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys 
>>>>>> there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I 
>>>>>> plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel 
>>>>>> Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the 
>>>>>> hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions 
>>>>>> I asked Rich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a 
>>>>>> great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" 
>>>>>> of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss 
>>>>>> the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A 
>>>>>> project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more 
>>>>>> members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk 
>>>>>>> on the normal days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the 
>>>>>> main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with 
>>>>>> hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), 
>>>>>>> but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a 
>>>>>>> committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to 
>>>>>>> attend the entire conference, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: That's correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for 
>>>>>>> tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for 
>>>>>>> students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and 
>>>>>>> attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>>>>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for 
>>>>>>> /committers/?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for 
>>>>>>> anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows 
>>>>>>> tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th 
>>>>>>> or 11th?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in 
>>>>>> the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume 
>>>>>>> that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs 
>>>>>>> submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich: That is correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks 
>>>>>>> on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on 
>>>>>>> behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>>>>>>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 
>>>>>>>>> 2014.
>>>>>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our 
>>>>>>>>> Logging frameworks.
>>>>>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.

Yeah that would work. Nashville huh? My co-worker is from there too, neat.

In regard to the async and such, I think that'd be a great idea. One of the selling points of log4j over logback is performance, right?

Matt Sicker

> On Jan 31, 2014, at 0:52, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>> 
>>> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>> Matt,
>>> 
>>> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?
>> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.
> 
> Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we split it? That arrangement. works fine for me.
> 
> By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.
> 
>>  
>>> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about these four:
>>> 
>>> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
>>> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
>>> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>>> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.
> 
> Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to include the performance studies mentioned on the website and information about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them with each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?
> 
> Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.
> 
> Nick
> 
>>  
>>> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!
>> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>>> 
>>> > I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
>>> >
>>> > Matt Sicker
>>> >
>>> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>> >>
>>> >> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>> >>
>>> >> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
>>> >>
>>> >> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>> >>
>>> >> Nick
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>> >>
>>> >>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>> >>
>>> >>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: That's correct.
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>> >>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>> >>
>>> >>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>> >>
>>> >>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>> >>
>>> >>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>> >>
>>> >> Rich: That is correct.
>>> >>
>>> >>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Nick
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Ralph
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hi folks,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>> >>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>> >>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Regards,
>>> >>>>> Christian
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ---
>>> >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>> >>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>> >>>>> @grobmeier
>>> >>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscribe@logging.apache.org
>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-help@logging.apache.org
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-help@logging.apache.org
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>> >>
>>> >
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>
>

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

On Jan 30, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Matt Sicker wrote:

> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?
> 
> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.

Okay. I'm registering and booking my travel tomorrow (Friday, which I guess is actually today now). Should I book the hotel, too, and then you can just pay me for your part depending on how many nights we split it? That arrangement. works fine for me.

By the way, I'm in central time, which is why the website say America/Chicago. I'm actually in Nashville, though.

>  
> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about these four:
> 
> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
> 
> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.

Why don't you write up a CFP for the first and fourth ones? Be sure to include the performance studies mentioned on the website and information about the Levels and their extensibility, the logger interfaces, etc. in the first one. I'll write up the CFPs for the second and third one. Before we submit them, let's trade them with each other for review, proofreading, and comments. How about we plan on exchanging them about 6 p.m. CST Friday evening and then submitting them by 10 p.m. CST Friday evening. Sound good?

Look forward to working with you on representing Log4j at ApacheCon.

Nick

>  
> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!
> 
> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
> Nick
> 
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
> 
> > I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
> >
> > Matt Sicker
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
> >>
> >> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> >>
> >> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> >>
> >> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
> >>
> >> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> >>
> >> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
> >>
> >>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
> >>
> >> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
> >>
> >>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
> >>
> >> Rich: That's correct.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> >>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
> >>
> >> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> >>
> >>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
> >>
> >> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> >>
> >>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
> >>
> >> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
> >>
> >>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
> >>
> >> Rich: That is correct.
> >>
> >>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
> >>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
> >>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Christian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
> >>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
> >>>>> @grobmeier
> >>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: log4j-dev-unsubscribe@logging.apache.org
> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: log4j-dev-help@logging.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.

Would you guys be interested in covering Async Loggers or other performance
topics?

On Friday, January 31, 2014, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net');>
> > wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my
>> finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support,
>> it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five
>> days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)--you?
>>
>> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days
> I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.
>
>
>> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was
>> thinking about these four:
>>
>> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
>> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
>> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
>> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>>
>> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I
> had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least
> experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.
>
>
>> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on
>> which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j
>> would be great!
>>
>> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one
> as your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.
>
>  Nick
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> > I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
> >
> > Matt Sicker
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting
> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do
> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
> >>
> >> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a
> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're
> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> >>
> >> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split
> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms
> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> >>
> >> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I
> asked Rich.
> >>
> >> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> >>
> >> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of
> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction
> of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
> whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are
> together in a room to make it happen.
> >>
> >>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on
> the normal days?
> >>
> >> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements -
> more of a training class than an overview.
> >>
> >>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but
> it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any
> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference,
> right?
> >>
> >> Rich: That's correct.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on
> April 10th: "$399 for 1/2 day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full
> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> >>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
> /committers/?
> >>
> >> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> >>
> >>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone
> (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April
> 11th as well)?
> >>
> >> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> >>
> >>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or
> 11th?
> >>
> >> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
> project, and no extra fee is charged.
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>
> --
> Matt Sicker <boards@gmail.com<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','boards@gmail.com');>>
>
>

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.

On 30 January 2014 18:01, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>wrote:

> Matt,
>
> Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my
> finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support,
> it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five
> days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?
>
> Sharing a hotel room sounds like a good idea. I'm not sure on which days
I'll be there, but it would most likely be almost if not the same ones.


> I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking
> about these four:
>
> - An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
> - Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
> - Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
> - Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts
>
> I really like those ideas. You've effectively modularized all the ideas I
had for CFPs. I'd be interested in doing any of those, but I have the least
experience with the myriad Java EE technologies out of those four.


> Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on
> which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j
> would be great!
>
> I've only drafted out a couple ideas so far, but they match up with one as
your first one, and the other a union of the remaining.

> Nick
>
> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:
>
> > I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone
> else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the
> neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use
> logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using
> informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different
> levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help
> make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented,
> creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.),
> and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but
> it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what
> levels of expertise.
> >
> > Matt Sicker
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting
> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do
> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
> >>
> >> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a
> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're
> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> >>
> >> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split
> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms
> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> >>
> >> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I
> asked Rich.
> >>
> >> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
> >>>
> >>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> >>
> >> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of
> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction
> of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
> whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are
> together in a room to make it happen.
> >>
> >>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on
> the normal days?
> >>
> >> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements -
> more of a training class than an overview.
> >>
> >>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but
> it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any
> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference,
> right?
> >>
> >> Rich: That's correct.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on
> April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full
> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> >>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
> /committers/?
> >>
> >> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> >>
> >>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone
> (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April
> 11th as well)?
> >>
> >> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> >>
> >>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or
> 11th?
> >>
> >> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
> project, and no extra fee is charged.
> >>
> >>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means
> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
> >>
> >> Rich: That is correct.
> >>
> >>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of
> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> >>>
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ralph
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
> grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi folks,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
> >>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging
> frameworks.
> >>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Christian
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---
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> >>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
> >>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Matt,

Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?

I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about these four:

- An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
- Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
- Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
- Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts

Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!

Nick

On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:

> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
> 
> Matt Sicker
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>> 
>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>> 
>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>> 
>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
>> 
>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>> 
>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>> 
>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>> 
>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
>> 
>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>> 
>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
>> 
>> Rich: That's correct.
>> 
>>> 
>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
>> 
>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>> 
>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>> 
>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>> 
>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>> 
>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>> 
>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>> 
>> Rich: That is correct.
>> 
>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Matt,

Do you want to share a hotel room? I know it would certainly help my finances to split one, and depending on whether you get employer support, it should probably help yours as well. I'm planning on being there all five days (staying in the hotel Sunday night through Thursday night)—you?

I was planning on putting together several CFPs. Originally I was thinking about these four:

- An Intro to Log4j 2.0: A New Generation of Apache Logging
- Log4j 2 in Web Applications: A Deeper Look at Effective Java EE Logging
- Logging to Relational and NoSQL Databases with Log4j 2
- Extending Log4j 2: Writing Custom Appenders, Filters, and Layouts

Before you write up your CFPs, lets coordinate and come to a consensus on which of us is doing which CFP. Having two people there covering Log4j would be great!

Nick

On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Matt Sicker wrote:

> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.
> 
> Matt Sicker
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>> 
>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>> 
>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>> 
>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
>> 
>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>> 
>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>> 
>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>> 
>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
>> 
>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>> 
>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
>> 
>> Rich: That's correct.
>> 
>>> 
>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
>> 
>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>> 
>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
>> 
>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>> 
>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>> 
>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
>> 
>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>> 
>> Rich: That is correct.
>> 
>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>> 
>>> Nick
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>> 
>>>>> ---
>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>> @grobmeier
>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
>>>>> 
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

Please don't wait any longer Matt.

http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
Submission must arrive before (!) 1.02. and they will not extend this 
deadline.

However you talk sounds good. Just from experience, people are sometimes 
setup
when they hear they should move their facade from slf4j to log4j2 again. 
Be prepared
to have good arguments

Any great if you could submit a proposal!

On 30 Jan 2014, at 15:42, Matt Sicker wrote:

> I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a 
> talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is 
> anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to 
> cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than 
> SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject 
> trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the 
> API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging 
> configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other 
> logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components 
> (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. 
> Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place 
> to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of 
> expertise.
>
> Matt Sicker
>
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams 
>> <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>
>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's 
>> right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an 
>> issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel 
>> Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. 
>> Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>
>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to 
>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from 
>> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even 
>> have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate 
>> so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each 
>> other.
>>
>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for 
>> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm 
>> looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel 
>> room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can 
>> use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in 
>> Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's 
>> five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can 
>> split the price accordingly.
>>
>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I 
>> asked Rich.
>>
>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great 
>> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>
>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of 
>> one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the 
>> direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project 
>> summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the 
>> PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
>>
>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on 
>>> the normal days?
>>
>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main 
>> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on 
>> elements - more of a training class than an overview.
>>
>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but 
>>> it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer 
>>> on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the 
>>> entire conference, right?
>>
>> Rich: That's correct.
>>
>>>
>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials 
>>> on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and 
>>> $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it 
>>> doesn't say is:
>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for 
>>> /committers/?
>>
>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>
>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone 
>>> (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on 
>>> April 11th as well)?
>>
>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>
>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 
>>> 11th?
>>
>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the 
>> project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>
>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that 
>>> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which 
>>> means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>
>> Rich: That is correct.
>>
>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on 
>>> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf 
>>> of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>>> <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging 
>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>> @grobmeier
>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
>>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.

I know I'm not a committer (yet), but I would be interested in doing a talk on logging. I'll see if I can get employer support as well. Is anyone else interested in putting together a CFP or two? I'd like to cover the neat new features in log4j, why we're more awesome than SLF4J, how to use logging effectively (e.g., using aspects to inject trace logging, using informative log messages, effective usage of the API, when to use different levels, using markers, complex logging configurations, etc), how to help make log4j compatible with other logging APIs not already implemented, creating additional components (I.e., appenders, filters, layouts, etc.), and many other ideas. Obviously that's too much to cover in one talk, but it's a good place to start examining what topics to cover and at what levels of expertise.

Matt Sicker

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:29, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> 
> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
> 
> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> 
> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> 
> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
> 
> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>> 
>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> 
> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
> 
>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
> 
> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
> 
>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
> 
> Rich: That's correct.
> 
>> 
>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
> 
> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> 
>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
> 
> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> 
>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
> 
> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
> 
>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
> 
> Rich: That is correct.
> 
>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Christian
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>> @grobmeier
>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
>>>> 
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

On 29 Jan 2014, at 0:22, Remko Popma wrote:

> ... I'm still learning proper ML etiquette...

Just for the record: i didn't mean you or anyone hear at Logging ;-)

>
> Very nice slides, btw.
>
> On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Christian Grobmeier 
> <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I would love to go, but i have to deal with a view personal issues 
>> (which
>> are not meant to be discussed in public)
>> That makes it impossible for me to travel.
>>
>> However I was presenting Apache Logging at ACEU 2012 and it was an 
>> amazing
>> experience.
>> I can only recommend it to everybody "new" at this project or not.
>> The things you learn and the people you'll meet definitely make a
>> difference.
>> In example I met a few ASF fellow of whom I thought I didn't like 
>> them. I
>> was so wrong!
>> mails are useful for us, but in reality people are *so* different to 
>> mails.
>>
>> What I also enjoyed were the feedback after the talks(s).
>>
>> Here are my old slides:
>> http://www.slideshare.net/christiangrobmeier/world-of-logging
>>
>> I also think Logging is an important topic and a focus on logging 
>> would
>> surely help us
>> to promote log4j in the US.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:59, Remko Popma wrote:
>>
>> I'm interested but not sure if I can go (we are expecting our second 
>> child
>>> early May...)
>>> -Remko
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Nick Williams <
>>> nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's 
>>> right
>>>> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue 
>>>> getting
>>>> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee 
>>>> will
>>>> do
>>>> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at 
>>>> tac@apache.org.
>>>>
>>>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
>>>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
>>>> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can 
>>>> even
>>>> have a
>>>> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so 
>>>> that
>>>> we're
>>>> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>>>
>>>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
>>>> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm 
>>>> looking
>>>> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room 
>>>> and
>>>> split
>>>> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 
>>>> hotel
>>>> rooms
>>>> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and 
>>>> checking
>>>> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can 
>>>> only
>>>> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>>>
>>>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I 
>>>> asked
>>>> Rich.
>>>>
>>>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
>>>> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>>
>>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" 
>>>> of one
>>>> kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the 
>>>> direction
>>>> of
>>>> the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
>>>> whatever
>>>> you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together 
>>>> in a
>>>> room to make it happen.
>>>>
>>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on 
>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>> normal days?
>>>>
>>>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
>>>> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on 
>>>> elements -
>>>> more of a training class than an overview.
>>>>
>>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but 
>>>> it's
>>>>>
>>>> $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on 
>>>> any
>>>> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire
>>>> conference,
>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> Rich: That's correct.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for 
>>>>> tutorials on
>>>>>
>>>> April 10th: "$399 for 1/2 day tutorials ($299 for students) and 
>>>> $749 for
>>>> full
>>>> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>>>
>>>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
>>>>>
>>>> /committers/?
>>>>
>>>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>>>
>>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for 
>>>> anyone (it
>>>>>
>>>> only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 
>>>> 11th
>>>> as
>>>> well)?
>>>>
>>>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>>>
>>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 
>>>> 11th?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
>>>> project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>>>
>>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
>>>>>
>>>> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), 
>>>> which
>>>> means
>>>> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>>>
>>>> Rich: That is correct.
>>>>
>>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
>>>>>
>>>> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf 
>>>> of
>>>> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nick
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to attend but I'm not sure I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>>>> <grobmeier@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our 
>>>>>>> Logging
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>
>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.

... I'm still learning proper ML etiquette...

Very nice slides, btw.

On Wednesday, January 29, 2014, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would love to go, but i have to deal with a view personal issues (which
>  are not meant to be discussed in public)
> That makes it impossible for me to travel.
>
> However I was presenting Apache Logging at ACEU 2012 and it was an amazing
> experience.
> I can only recommend it to everybody "new" at this project or not.
> The things you learn and the people you'll meet definitely make a
> difference.
> In example I met a few ASF fellow of whom I thought I didn't like them. I
> was so wrong!
> mails are useful for us, but in reality people are *so* different to mails.
>
> What I also enjoyed were the feedback after the talks(s).
>
> Here are my old slides:
> http://www.slideshare.net/christiangrobmeier/world-of-logging
>
> I also think Logging is an important topic and a focus on logging would
> surely help us
> to promote log4j in the US.
>
>
>
> On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:59, Remko Popma wrote:
>
>  I'm interested but not sure if I can go (we are expecting our second child
>> early May...)
>> -Remko
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Nick Williams <
>> nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>>
>>  Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
>>> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting
>>> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will
>>> do
>>> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
>>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
>>> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even
>>> have a
>>> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that
>>> we're
>>> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>>
>>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
>>> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
>>> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and
>>> split
>>> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel
>>> rooms
>>> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
>>> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
>>> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>>
>>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked
>>> Rich.
>>>
>>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
>>> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>  - What exactly is a project summit?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one
>>> kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction
>>> of
>>> the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is
>>> whatever
>>> you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a
>>> room to make it happen.
>>>
>>>  - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the
>>>>
>>> normal days?
>>>
>>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
>>> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements -
>>> more of a training class than an overview.
>>>
>>>  I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's
>>>>
>>> $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any
>>> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire
>>> conference,
>>> right?
>>>
>>> Rich: That's correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on
>>>>
>>> April 10th: "$399 for 1/2 day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for
>>> full
>>> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>>
>>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
>>>>
>>> /committers/?
>>>
>>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>>
>>>  2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it
>>>>
>>> only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th
>>> as
>>> well)?
>>>
>>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>>
>>>  3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
>>> project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>>
>>>  It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
>>>>
>>> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which
>>> means
>>> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>>
>>> Rich: That is correct.
>>>
>>>  It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
>>>>
>>> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of
>>> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nick
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I would like to attend but I'm not sure I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  Hi folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging
>>>>>>
>>>>> frameworks.
>>>
>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>>> @grobmeier
>>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

I would love to go, but i have to deal with a view personal issues 
(which  are not meant to be discussed in public)
That makes it impossible for me to travel.

However I was presenting Apache Logging at ACEU 2012 and it was an 
amazing experience.
I can only recommend it to everybody "new" at this project or not.
The things you learn and the people you'll meet definitely make a 
difference.
In example I met a few ASF fellow of whom I thought I didn't like them. 
I was so wrong!
mails are useful for us, but in reality people are *so* different to 
mails.

What I also enjoyed were the feedback after the talks(s).

Here are my old slides:
http://www.slideshare.net/christiangrobmeier/world-of-logging

I also think Logging is an important topic and a focus on logging would 
surely help us
to promote log4j in the US.



On 28 Jan 2014, at 18:59, Remko Popma wrote:

> I'm interested but not sure if I can go (we are expecting our second 
> child
> early May...)
> -Remko
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Nick Williams <
> nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
>
>> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's 
>> right
>> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue 
>> getting
>> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee 
>> will do
>> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at 
>> tac@apache.org.
>>
>> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
>> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
>> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even 
>> have a
>> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that 
>> we're
>> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>>
>> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
>> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm 
>> looking
>> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and 
>> split
>> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel 
>> rooms
>> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and 
>> checking
>> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can 
>> only
>> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>>
>> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I 
>> asked
>> Rich.
>>
>> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
>> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>>
>>> - What exactly is a project summit?
>>
>> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of 
>> one
>> kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the 
>> direction of
>> the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is 
>> whatever
>> you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together 
>> in a
>> room to make it happen.
>>
>>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on 
>>> the
>> normal days?
>>
>> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
>> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on 
>> elements -
>> more of a training class than an overview.
>>
>>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but 
>>> it's
>> $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on 
>> any
>> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire 
>> conference,
>> right?
>>
>> Rich: That's correct.
>>
>>>
>>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials 
>>> on
>> April 10th: "$399 for 1/2 day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 
>> for full
>> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
>> /committers/?
>>
>> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>>
>>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone 
>>> (it
>> only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 
>> 11th as
>> well)?
>>
>> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>>
>>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 
>>> 11th?
>>
>> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
>> project, and no extra fee is charged.
>>
>>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
>> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which 
>> means
>> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>>
>> Rich: That is correct.
>>
>>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
>> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of
>> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to attend but I'm not sure I can.
>>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier 
>>>> <gr...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging
>> frameworks.
>>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Christian
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>>> @grobmeier
>>>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Remko Popma <re...@gmail.com>.

I'm interested but not sure if I can go (we are expecting our second child
early May...)
-Remko


On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:29 AM, Nick Williams <
nicholas@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:

> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
> now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting
> committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do
> everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>
> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
> suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from
> different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a
> summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're
> covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
>
> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
> this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
> for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split
> the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms
> and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking
> out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only
> share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
>
> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked
> Rich.
>
> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great
> opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
>
> Nick
>
> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>
> > - What exactly is a project summit?
>
> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one
> kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of
> the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever
> you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a
> room to make it happen.
>
> > - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the
> normal days?
>
> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main
> difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements -
> more of a training class than an overview.
>
> > I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's
> $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any
> Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference,
> right?
>
> Rich: That's correct.
>
> >
> > The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on
> April 10th: "$399 for 1/2 day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full
> day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> > 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for
> /committers/?
>
> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
>
> > 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it
> only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as
> well)?
>
> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
>
> > 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
>
> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the
> project, and no extra fee is charged.
>
> > It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that
> means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means
> 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
>
> Rich: That is correct.
>
> > It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on
> Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of
> Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> >
> >> I would like to attend but I'm not sure I can.
> >>
> >> Ralph
> >>
> >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
> >>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
> >>>
> >>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging
> frameworks.
> >>> I will not be there unfortunately.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Christian
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>> http://www.grobmeier.de
> >>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
> >>> @grobmeier
> >>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
> >>>
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AW: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Dominik Psenner <dp...@gmail.com>.

>Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right
now.
>Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting
>committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do
>everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
>
>I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to
suggestions. Let's
>try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we
can
>get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be
>great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different
>topics and not stepping on each other.
>
>I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for
>this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking
for
>someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the
>cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and
>save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of
>the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the
>hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.

*argh*

This would be a great chance to get to denver, meet cool people and spend a
few relaxing days in the US, but it is an intercontinental flight to me and
I can't
free enough time to be there. Sorry! I hope other people take the chance.

Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Ralph Goers <rg...@apache.org>.

I would really like to go but if I do I would have to take the days as unpaid time off + the costs of the conference. That's one downside in going from a big company to a very small one.  I had hoped I would be able to present at the conference since I'm very proud of what I've been working on for the last 4 years and even more, all the awesome work you guys have done.

Nick, if you are the only one who can attend I am confident you will do a great job.  If you would like any information to include in the presentation I would be happy to help.

Ralph

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote:
> 
> Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.
> 
> I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.
> 
> I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.
> 
> Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.
> 
> I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!
> 
> Nick
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:
>> 
>> - What exactly is a project summit?
> 
> Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.
> 
>> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?
> 
> Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.
> 
>> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?
> 
> Rich: That's correct.
> 
>> 
>> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
>> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
> 
> Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.
> 
>> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
> 
> Rich: We'll get that fixed.
> 
>> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?
> 
> Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.
> 
>> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.
> 
> Rich: That is correct.
> 
>> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
>> 
>> Nick
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>>> 
>>> Ralph
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folks,
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>>> 
>>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Christian
>>>> 
>>>> ---
>>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.

I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.

I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.

Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.

I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!

Nick

On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:

> - What exactly is a project summit?

Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.

> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?

Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.

> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?

Rich: That's correct.

> 
> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?

Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.

> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?

Rich: We'll get that fixed.

> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?

Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.

> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.

Rich: That is correct.

> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> 
>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>> 
>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Christian
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>> @grobmeier
>>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

Guys, let's show up for Apache Logging! They're hurting for CFP's right now. Rich Bowen at ApacheCon assures me that if money is an issue getting committers to come and lead talks, the Travel Assistance Committee will do everything it can to help you get there. Email them at tac@apache.org.

I'm definitely going and I'll submit a CFP as well. I'm open to suggestions. Let's try to get 3-5 good Apache Logging talks in from different people! If we can get two PMC members to come, we can even have a summit, which would be great exposure! We need to coordinate so that we're covering different topics and not stepping on each other.

I NEED A ROOMMATE AND YOU DO, TOO! Hotel is the biggest expense for this--more than flights and committer registration combined. I'm looking for someone who wants to go and is willing to share a hotel room and split the cost. If we can get 4 Logging guys there, we can use just 2 hotel rooms and save a bunch of money. I plan on flying in Sunday night and checking out of the hotel Friday morning--that's five nights. If someone can only share the hotel for 3 nights, we can split the price accordingly.

Inline below I have included the answers I got to some questions I asked Rich.

I hope some of you will come to ApacheCon with me! It'll be a great opportunity to publicize Log4j 2.0 GA!

Nick

On Jan 27, 2014, at 6:21 AM, Nick Williams wrote:

> - What exactly is a project summit?

Rich: Some projects are taking the opportunity to have a "summit" of one kind or another, to do sprints on features, or to discuss the direction of the project, or to do bug triage, or whatever. A project summit is whatever you want to make it, if two or more members of the PMC are together in a room to make it happen.

> - What exactly is a tutorial and how is it different from a talk on the normal days?

Rich: A talk is 50 minutes. A tutorial is 3 hours. That's the main difference. A tutorial is usually more indepth, with hands-on elements - more of a training class than an overview.

> I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?

Rich: That's correct.

> 
> The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
> 1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?

Rich: Yes, tutorials have a fee for everyone.

> 2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?

Rich: We'll get that fixed.

> 3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?

Rich: Project summits are usually open to anyone interested in the project, and no extra fee is charged.

> It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur.

Rich: That is correct.

> It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> 
>> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
>> 
>> Ralph
>> 
>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>>> 
>>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Christian
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>>> @grobmeier
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Nick Williams <ni...@nicholaswilliams.net>.

I think I'll attend, but I'd like to see if someone here can answer some questions for me. I can direct my questions to someone at ApacheCon, but I figured this would be a quick first-go.

I noticed the fee is normally $799 (until Friday, then $1099), but it's $275 for "committers." That means that anyone who's a committer on any Apache project whatsoever /only/ pays $275 to attend the entire conference, right?

The registration page says there is an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th: "$399 for ½ day tutorials ($299 for students) and $749 for full day tutorials (students and attendees)." What it doesn't say is:
1) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 10th for /committers/?
2) Is there an additional fee for tutorials on April 11th for anyone (it only mentions April 10th, but the schedule shows tutorials on April 11th as well)?
3) Is there an additional fee for project summits on April 10th or 11th?

It says they will have 5-9 tracks going on this year. I assume that means 5-9 conference rooms (based on the # of CFPs submitted), which means 5-9 simultaneous talks can occur. It sounds like there is potentially time to have multiple talks on Apache Logging. Though I am new-ish, I'd love to present on behalf of Apache Logging. Do we want to have multiple talks?

Nick

On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:

> I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.
> 
> Ralph
> 
> On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
>> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
>> 
>> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
>> I will not be there unfortunately.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Christian
>> 
>> ---
>> http://www.grobmeier.de
>> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
>> @grobmeier
>> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
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Re: ApacheCon CFP

Posted by Ralph Goers <ra...@dslextreme.com>.

I would like to attend but I’m not sure I can.

Ralph

On Jan 25, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I would like to remind you ApacheCon is happening in April 2014.
> If you would like to submit your talk, now is the chance.
> 
> I think it would be great to have somebody presenting our Logging frameworks.
> I will not be there unfortunately.
> 
> Regards,
> Christian
> 
> ---
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> The Zen Programmer: http://bit.ly/12lC6DL
> @grobmeier
> GPG: 0xA5CC90DB
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