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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2012/08/17 17:55:56 UTC
[DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
time for us to start this process.
I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
1) Optional Community vote [3]
2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
4) Approval by the ASF Board.
As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
time for that meeting.
I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
graduate.
Regards,
-Rob
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
[3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
[4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 08/17/2012 08:55 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>
> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> time for us to start this process.
>
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> time for that meeting.
>
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
>
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
>
> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
I think we should definitely start the process -- do the community vote.
When I looked at these steps several months ago, the only hurdle to me
was the creation of the charter -- I think we even had a brief
conversation about that at the time.
--
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RE: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
+1 on prerequisites.
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 17/08/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
>>> to graduate.
>>
>>
>> I agree it would be good to do so, since it will automatically reduce
>> complex and unclear terminology ("incubator", "podling") that has been
>> misused outside the project and it will make governance easier.
>>
>>
>>> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
>>> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>>> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
1.5) Make sure that everything on the status page is checked off.
Someone needs to enter the date of the trademark transfer and the mentors have some check-offs.
>>> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>>> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>>> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>>
>>
>> If the Charter needs to contain complex statements about scope and mission
>> of the project, it will take some time (but this is not the case, if I
>> understand the the examples correctly).
>>
>
> It is not clear to me what the charter actually does. What does it
> mean organizationally? Does it obligate or constrain the project in
> any formal way? Or is it just a convenient summary of the project's
> focus? For example, has anything bad ever happened to any Apache
> project because their charter was too narrow (or too broad)? If not I
> would not worry too much about it.
The Charter / Board Resolution establishes the PMC.
Here is a recent example from general@i.a.o for Lucene.Net - just now passed by the Board:
> X. Establish the Apache Lucene.Net Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to maintaining a .NET platform
> version of the Lucene Indexing Engine for distribution at
> no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Lucene.Net Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Lucene.Net
> Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and
> maintenance of software related to maintaining a .NET
> platform version of the Lucene Indexing Engine and be
> it further
>
I purposefully used another project as an example. There are two phrases that are important.
(1) "Lucene.Net" - in our case this is "OpenOffice"
(2) "related to maintaining a .NET platform version of the Lucene Indexing Engine" and this is the phrase that will describe the scope of the project and should be carefully considered and likely not too narrow.
... likely this should be another thread.
>
>> It also seems, from the links, that the project will need to elect a chair,
>> and this would be quite time-consuming too.
>>
>
> If there is just a single nominee then this is easy. If we have 2
> nominees, we could have a 72-hour vote. But if have more than two,
> then we need to think about either a multi-stage voting process (run
> off elections), or a transferable vote system. But I don't this will
> take much time. And it could be done in parallel with drafting the
> charter.
>
> Of course, if no one wants to be Chair, then this can take longer ;-)
>
>> So I wouldn't be sure that we can have everything ready by the September
>> Board meeting.
>>
>
> If we make it by then, great. If not, then October is a fine month as well.
>
> Another thing we need to do is determine the membership of the PMC.
> This would likely be the current PPMC, minus those who signed up when
> the podling started but then never actually got involved with the
> project. I assume we would also want to extend an invitation to any
> Mentors who wish to continue with the project as PMC members. But
> that can be done in parallel as well. This all gets wrapped into one
> proposed Resolution: charter, PMC members and PMC Chair.
I think we should decide on the PMC before we decide on the Chair.
Regards,
Dave
>
> -Rob
>
>>
>>> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
>>> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
>>> graduate.
>>
>>
>> I agree. If we have consensus that we are ready to graduate, let's start
>> with a formal vote about it, and then proceed step by step with the process.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Aug 19, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 17/08/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
>>> to graduate.
>>
>>
>> I agree it would be good to do so, since it will automatically reduce
>> complex and unclear terminology ("incubator", "podling") that has been
>> misused outside the project and it will make governance easier.
>>
>>
>>> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
>>> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>>> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
1.5) Make sure that everything on the status page is checked off.
Someone needs to enter the date of the trademark transfer and the mentors have some check-offs.
>>> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>>> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>>> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>>
>>
>> If the Charter needs to contain complex statements about scope and mission
>> of the project, it will take some time (but this is not the case, if I
>> understand the the examples correctly).
>>
>
> It is not clear to me what the charter actually does. What does it
> mean organizationally? Does it obligate or constrain the project in
> any formal way? Or is it just a convenient summary of the project's
> focus? For example, has anything bad ever happened to any Apache
> project because their charter was too narrow (or too broad)? If not I
> would not worry too much about it.
The Charter / Board Resolution establishes the PMC.
Here is a recent example from general@i.a.o for Lucene.Net - just now passed by the Board:
> X. Establish the Apache Lucene.Net Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
> open-source software related to maintaining a .NET platform
> version of the Lucene Indexing Engine for distribution at
> no charge to the public.
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Lucene.Net Project",
> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
> Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache Lucene.Net
> Project be and hereby is responsible for the creation and
> maintenance of software related to maintaining a .NET
> platform version of the Lucene Indexing Engine and be
> it further
>
I purposefully used another project as an example. There are two phrases that are important.
(1) "Lucene.Net" - in our case this is "OpenOffice"
(2) "related to maintaining a .NET platform version of the Lucene Indexing Engine" and this is the phrase that will describe the scope of the project and should be carefully considered and likely not too narrow.
... likely this should be another thread.
>
>> It also seems, from the links, that the project will need to elect a chair,
>> and this would be quite time-consuming too.
>>
>
> If there is just a single nominee then this is easy. If we have 2
> nominees, we could have a 72-hour vote. But if have more than two,
> then we need to think about either a multi-stage voting process (run
> off elections), or a transferable vote system. But I don't this will
> take much time. And it could be done in parallel with drafting the
> charter.
>
> Of course, if no one wants to be Chair, then this can take longer ;-)
>
>> So I wouldn't be sure that we can have everything ready by the September
>> Board meeting.
>>
>
> If we make it by then, great. If not, then October is a fine month as well.
>
> Another thing we need to do is determine the membership of the PMC.
> This would likely be the current PPMC, minus those who signed up when
> the podling started but then never actually got involved with the
> project. I assume we would also want to extend an invitation to any
> Mentors who wish to continue with the project as PMC members. But
> that can be done in parallel as well. This all gets wrapped into one
> proposed Resolution: charter, PMC members and PMC Chair.
I think we should decide on the PMC before we decide on the Chair.
Regards,
Dave
>
> -Rob
>
>>
>>> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
>>> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
>>> graduate.
>>
>>
>> I agree. If we have consensus that we are ready to graduate, let's start
>> with a formal vote about it, and then proceed step by step with the process.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 2:43 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 17/08/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
>> to graduate.
>
>
> I agree it would be good to do so, since it will automatically reduce
> complex and unclear terminology ("incubator", "podling") that has been
> misused outside the project and it will make governance easier.
>
>
>> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
>> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
>
> If the Charter needs to contain complex statements about scope and mission
> of the project, it will take some time (but this is not the case, if I
> understand the the examples correctly).
>
It is not clear to me what the charter actually does. What does it
mean organizationally? Does it obligate or constrain the project in
any formal way? Or is it just a convenient summary of the project's
focus? For example, has anything bad ever happened to any Apache
project because their charter was too narrow (or too broad)? If not I
would not worry too much about it.
> It also seems, from the links, that the project will need to elect a chair,
> and this would be quite time-consuming too.
>
If there is just a single nominee then this is easy. If we have 2
nominees, we could have a 72-hour vote. But if have more than two,
then we need to think about either a multi-stage voting process (run
off elections), or a transferable vote system. But I don't this will
take much time. And it could be done in parallel with drafting the
charter.
Of course, if no one wants to be Chair, then this can take longer ;-)
> So I wouldn't be sure that we can have everything ready by the September
> Board meeting.
>
If we make it by then, great. If not, then October is a fine month as well.
Another thing we need to do is determine the membership of the PMC.
This would likely be the current PPMC, minus those who signed up when
the podling started but then never actually got involved with the
project. I assume we would also want to extend an invitation to any
Mentors who wish to continue with the project as PMC members. But
that can be done in parallel as well. This all gets wrapped into one
proposed Resolution: charter, PMC members and PMC Chair.
-Rob
>
>> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
>> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
>> graduate.
>
>
> I agree. If we have consensus that we are ready to graduate, let's start
> with a formal vote about it, and then proceed step by step with the process.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 17/08/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate.
I agree it would be good to do so, since it will automatically reduce
complex and unclear terminology ("incubator", "podling") that has been
misused outside the project and it will make governance easier.
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
If the Charter needs to contain complex statements about scope and
mission of the project, it will take some time (but this is not the
case, if I understand the the examples correctly).
It also seems, from the links, that the project will need to elect a
chair, and this would be quite time-consuming too.
So I wouldn't be sure that we can have everything ready by the September
Board meeting.
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
I agree. If we have consensus that we are ready to graduate, let's start
with a formal vote about it, and then proceed step by step with the process.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2012/8/17 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>
> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> time for us to start this process.
>
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> time for that meeting.
>
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
>
+1.
Regards
Ricardo
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
>
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
>
> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>
> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> time for us to start this process.
>
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> time for that meeting.
>
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
>
+1 Let's get this started this week.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> [1]
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
>
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
>
> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Roberto Salomon <ro...@gmail.com>.
Agreed..
+1
--
Roberto Salomon
Enviado do meu celular Android
Em 18/08/2012 13:27, "Jürgen Lange" <jl...@juergen-lange.de> escreveu:
> I think its time to start the process
> +1
>
> Jürgen
>
>
> Am 17.08.2012 17:55, schrieb Rob Weir:
>
>> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
>> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
>> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
>> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
>> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
>> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>>
>> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
>> time for us to start this process.
>>
>> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
>> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>>
>> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>>
>> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>>
>> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>>
>> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>>
>> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
>> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
>> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
>> time for that meeting.
>>
>> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
>> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
>> graduate.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/graduation.html#**
>> project-first-steps<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps>
>>
>> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/graduation.html#process<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process>
>>
>> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/graduation.html#tlp-**
>> community-vote<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote>
>>
>> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/**guides/graduation.html#tlp-**resolution<http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution>
>>
>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Jürgen Lange <jl...@juergen-lange.de>.
I think its time to start the process
+1
Jürgen
Am 17.08.2012 17:55, schrieb Rob Weir:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>
> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> time for us to start this process.
>
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> time for that meeting.
>
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
>
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
>
> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Zhe Liu <al...@gmail.com>.
+1. Let's move forward.
2012/8/17 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>
> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> time for us to start this process.
>
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> time for that meeting.
>
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
>
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
>
> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
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Best Regards
>From aliuzhe@gmail.com
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org>.
> Am Freitag, 17. August 2012 um 17:55 schrieb Rob Weir:
> > We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> > to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> > graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> > well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> > website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> > already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
> >
> > The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> > time for us to start this process.
> >
> > I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> > graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
> >
> > 1) Optional Community vote [3]
> >
> > 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
> >
> > 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
> >
> > 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
> >
> > As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> > month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> > now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> > time for that meeting.
> >
> > I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> > recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> > graduate.
>
> I agree and yes let us start with the process.
>
> Juergen
>
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
> >
> > [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
> >
> > [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
> >
> > [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
+1, let's get it underway
Cheers
G
Re: [DISCUSS] AOO Ready to Graduate
Posted by Juergen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
Am Freitag, 17. August 2012 um 17:55 schrieb Rob Weir:
> We've had several prods from our mentors suggesting that we are ready
> to graduate. But I think there was general recognition that with
> graduation comes a little hump in extra work, both for the project as
> well as the IPMC and Infra, especially related to mailing list and
> website changes [1]. We wanted to avoid piling that on top of the
> already considerable work required to get AOO 3.4.1 released.
>
> The AOO 3.4.1 release is now being voted on. So I think it is a good
> time for us to start this process.
>
> I'd recommend everyone take a look at this timeline [2] for what the
> graduation process looks like. You can see it is three steps:
>
> 1) Optional Community vote [3]
>
> 2) Preparation of a Charter and Resolution [4]
>
> 3) Vote by the IPMC to recommend the Charter/Resolution to the ASF Board.
>
> 4) Approval by the ASF Board.
>
> As I understand it the ASF Board meeting on the 3rd Wednesday of each
> month. So the next meeting should be September 19th. If we start
> now, we should have plenty of time to work through this process in
> time for that meeting.
>
> I'd like to start the first step, with the optional, but highly
> recommended, community vote, stating our belief that we are ready to
> graduate.
>
>
I agree and yes let us start with the process.
Juergen
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#project-first-steps
>
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#process
>
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote
>
> [4] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution