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Posted to dev@hbase.apache.org by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> on 2015/07/15 22:20:09 UTC

[DISCUSS] Licensing problem on logo

Hi Folks!

Working through HBASE-14085 and I was verifying license version/text for
our bundled works in the source distribution.

We have an entry for our logo that points to
http://www.vectorfree.com/jumping-orca as the source and CC-BY 3.0 as the
license.

Looking at the source site, that work is under CC-BY 3.0 however, it lists
that it's a derivative work "Killer whale vector by VectorPortal.com
<http://www.vectorportal.com/>"

It doesn't give a direct reference, but a quick search on VectorPortal for
"orca" leads directly to this likely source:

http://www.vectorportal.com/subcategory/205/KILLER-WHALE-FREE-VECTOR.eps/ifile/9136/detailtest.asp


Given the below description of our modifications:
"We changed the logo by stripping the colored background, inverting
it and then rotating it some.
"

It sounds like we're closer to using the original (or could easily rerun
our modifications to be based on it).

In any case, this original work is not licensed under CC-BY 3.0, nor do
their license terms[1] line up with the existing acceptable licenses (and
I'm not sure it would pass the general guidelines)[2].

The three obvious possible next steps I see:

* Contact vector portal and ask them to grant us a license on the image
under a pre-appoved license (i.e. CC-BY-3.0)
* Submit a question to legal-discuss@ to see if these license terms are
acceptable
* Change the logo :(

Any other ideas or preferences amongst these?


[1]: http://www.vectorportal.com/copyright/
http://www.vectorportal.com/faq/
[2]: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html

-- 
Sean

Re: [DISCUSS] Licensing problem on logo

Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.

To close out this thread, the original image owner has graciously
relicensed the image under a compatible license: see
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HBASE-14101

St.Ack

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> Thanks Stack!
>
> --
> Sean
> On Jul 15, 2015 8:00 PM, "Stack" <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I think the main problem is that the vector free user didn't have
> > > sufficient rights to license it under CC-BY-3.0 in the first place.
> > >
> > > The vector portal license says it's nontransferable, for example.
> > >
> > >
> > I wrote vector portal. I cc'd private@hbase in case there are fireworks.
> >
> > Thanks Sean,
> > St.Ack
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > > On Jul 15, 2015 6:55 PM, "Stack" <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Working through HBASE-14085 and I was verifying license
> version/text
> > > for
> > > > > our bundled works in the source distribution.
> > > > >
> > > > > We have an entry for our logo that points to
> > > > > http://www.vectorfree.com/jumping-orca as the source and CC-BY 3.0
> > as
> > > > the
> > > > > license.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking at the source site, that work is under CC-BY 3.0 however,
> it
> > > > lists
> > > > > that it's a derivative work "Killer whale vector by
> VectorPortal.com
> > > > > <http://www.vectorportal.com/>"
> > > > >
> > > > > It doesn't give a direct reference, but a quick search on
> > VectorPortal
> > > > for
> > > > > "orca" leads directly to this likely source:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.vectorportal.com/subcategory/205/KILLER-WHALE-FREE-VECTOR.eps/ifile/9136/detailtest.asp
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Given the below description of our modifications:
> > > > > "We changed the logo by stripping the colored background, inverting
> > > > > it and then rotating it some.
> > > > > "
> > > > >
> > > > > It sounds like we're closer to using the original (or could easily
> > > rerun
> > > > > our modifications to be based on it).
> > > > >
> > > > In any case, this original work is not licensed under CC-BY 3.0, nor
> do
> > > > > their license terms[1] line up with the existing acceptable
> licenses
> > > (and
> > > > > I'm not sure it would pass the general guidelines)[2].
> > > > >
> > > > > The three obvious possible next steps I see:
> > > > >
> > > > > * Contact vector portal and ask them to grant us a license on the
> > image
> > > > > under a pre-appoved license (i.e. CC-BY-3.0)
> > > > > * Submit a question to legal-discuss@ to see if these license
> terms
> > > are
> > > > > acceptable
> > > > > * Change the logo :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Any other ideas or preferences amongst these?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > My rationale was that I was making a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0
> licensed
> > > > work. CC-BY 3.0 allows "... remix, transform, and build upon the
> > material
> > > > for
> > > > any purpose, even commercially." I called it out in NOTICES so our
> > > sourcing
> > > > was trackable. I was unaware that my manipulations took our logo
> closer
> > > to
> > > > the pre-derivate source. That it did, is probably of no relevance.
> > > >
> > > > Choice #4, is to continue that our logo is a derivative of a CC-BY
> 3.0.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, I can write vector portal.
> > > >
> > > > St.Ack
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]: http://www.vectorportal.com/copyright/
> > > > > http://www.vectorportal.com/faq/
> > > > > [2]: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sean
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Licensing problem on logo

Posted by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>.

Thanks Stack!

-- 
Sean
On Jul 15, 2015 8:00 PM, "Stack" <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > I think the main problem is that the vector free user didn't have
> > sufficient rights to license it under CC-BY-3.0 in the first place.
> >
> > The vector portal license says it's nontransferable, for example.
> >
> >
> I wrote vector portal. I cc'd private@hbase in case there are fireworks.
>
> Thanks Sean,
> St.Ack
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > Sean
> > On Jul 15, 2015 6:55 PM, "Stack" <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Folks!
> > > >
> > > > Working through HBASE-14085 and I was verifying license version/text
> > for
> > > > our bundled works in the source distribution.
> > > >
> > > > We have an entry for our logo that points to
> > > > http://www.vectorfree.com/jumping-orca as the source and CC-BY 3.0
> as
> > > the
> > > > license.
> > > >
> > > > Looking at the source site, that work is under CC-BY 3.0 however, it
> > > lists
> > > > that it's a derivative work "Killer whale vector by VectorPortal.com
> > > > <http://www.vectorportal.com/>"
> > > >
> > > > It doesn't give a direct reference, but a quick search on
> VectorPortal
> > > for
> > > > "orca" leads directly to this likely source:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.vectorportal.com/subcategory/205/KILLER-WHALE-FREE-VECTOR.eps/ifile/9136/detailtest.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Given the below description of our modifications:
> > > > "We changed the logo by stripping the colored background, inverting
> > > > it and then rotating it some.
> > > > "
> > > >
> > > > It sounds like we're closer to using the original (or could easily
> > rerun
> > > > our modifications to be based on it).
> > > >
> > > In any case, this original work is not licensed under CC-BY 3.0, nor do
> > > > their license terms[1] line up with the existing acceptable licenses
> > (and
> > > > I'm not sure it would pass the general guidelines)[2].
> > > >
> > > > The three obvious possible next steps I see:
> > > >
> > > > * Contact vector portal and ask them to grant us a license on the
> image
> > > > under a pre-appoved license (i.e. CC-BY-3.0)
> > > > * Submit a question to legal-discuss@ to see if these license terms
> > are
> > > > acceptable
> > > > * Change the logo :(
> > > >
> > > > Any other ideas or preferences amongst these?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > My rationale was that I was making a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0 licensed
> > > work. CC-BY 3.0 allows "... remix, transform, and build upon the
> material
> > > for
> > > any purpose, even commercially." I called it out in NOTICES so our
> > sourcing
> > > was trackable. I was unaware that my manipulations took our logo closer
> > to
> > > the pre-derivate source. That it did, is probably of no relevance.
> > >
> > > Choice #4, is to continue that our logo is a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I can write vector portal.
> > >
> > > St.Ack
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://www.vectorportal.com/copyright/
> > > > http://www.vectorportal.com/faq/
> > > > [2]: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sean
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Licensing problem on logo

Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> I think the main problem is that the vector free user didn't have
> sufficient rights to license it under CC-BY-3.0 in the first place.
>
> The vector portal license says it's nontransferable, for example.
>
>
I wrote vector portal. I cc'd private@hbase in case there are fireworks.

Thanks Sean,
St.Ack




> --
> Sean
> On Jul 15, 2015 6:55 PM, "Stack" <st...@duboce.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Folks!
> > >
> > > Working through HBASE-14085 and I was verifying license version/text
> for
> > > our bundled works in the source distribution.
> > >
> > > We have an entry for our logo that points to
> > > http://www.vectorfree.com/jumping-orca as the source and CC-BY 3.0 as
> > the
> > > license.
> > >
> > > Looking at the source site, that work is under CC-BY 3.0 however, it
> > lists
> > > that it's a derivative work "Killer whale vector by VectorPortal.com
> > > <http://www.vectorportal.com/>"
> > >
> > > It doesn't give a direct reference, but a quick search on VectorPortal
> > for
> > > "orca" leads directly to this likely source:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.vectorportal.com/subcategory/205/KILLER-WHALE-FREE-VECTOR.eps/ifile/9136/detailtest.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > Given the below description of our modifications:
> > > "We changed the logo by stripping the colored background, inverting
> > > it and then rotating it some.
> > > "
> > >
> > > It sounds like we're closer to using the original (or could easily
> rerun
> > > our modifications to be based on it).
> > >
> > In any case, this original work is not licensed under CC-BY 3.0, nor do
> > > their license terms[1] line up with the existing acceptable licenses
> (and
> > > I'm not sure it would pass the general guidelines)[2].
> > >
> > > The three obvious possible next steps I see:
> > >
> > > * Contact vector portal and ask them to grant us a license on the image
> > > under a pre-appoved license (i.e. CC-BY-3.0)
> > > * Submit a question to legal-discuss@ to see if these license terms
> are
> > > acceptable
> > > * Change the logo :(
> > >
> > > Any other ideas or preferences amongst these?
> > >
> > >
> > My rationale was that I was making a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0 licensed
> > work. CC-BY 3.0 allows "... remix, transform, and build upon the material
> > for
> > any purpose, even commercially." I called it out in NOTICES so our
> sourcing
> > was trackable. I was unaware that my manipulations took our logo closer
> to
> > the pre-derivate source. That it did, is probably of no relevance.
> >
> > Choice #4, is to continue that our logo is a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0.
> >
> > Otherwise, I can write vector portal.
> >
> > St.Ack
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > [1]: http://www.vectorportal.com/copyright/
> > > http://www.vectorportal.com/faq/
> > > [2]: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sean
> > >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Licensing problem on logo

Posted by Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com>.

I think the main problem is that the vector free user didn't have
sufficient rights to license it under CC-BY-3.0 in the first place.

The vector portal license says it's nontransferable, for example.

-- 
Sean
On Jul 15, 2015 6:55 PM, "Stack" <st...@duboce.net> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks!
> >
> > Working through HBASE-14085 and I was verifying license version/text for
> > our bundled works in the source distribution.
> >
> > We have an entry for our logo that points to
> > http://www.vectorfree.com/jumping-orca as the source and CC-BY 3.0 as
> the
> > license.
> >
> > Looking at the source site, that work is under CC-BY 3.0 however, it
> lists
> > that it's a derivative work "Killer whale vector by VectorPortal.com
> > <http://www.vectorportal.com/>"
> >
> > It doesn't give a direct reference, but a quick search on VectorPortal
> for
> > "orca" leads directly to this likely source:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.vectorportal.com/subcategory/205/KILLER-WHALE-FREE-VECTOR.eps/ifile/9136/detailtest.asp
> >
> >
> > Given the below description of our modifications:
> > "We changed the logo by stripping the colored background, inverting
> > it and then rotating it some.
> > "
> >
> > It sounds like we're closer to using the original (or could easily rerun
> > our modifications to be based on it).
> >
> In any case, this original work is not licensed under CC-BY 3.0, nor do
> > their license terms[1] line up with the existing acceptable licenses (and
> > I'm not sure it would pass the general guidelines)[2].
> >
> > The three obvious possible next steps I see:
> >
> > * Contact vector portal and ask them to grant us a license on the image
> > under a pre-appoved license (i.e. CC-BY-3.0)
> > * Submit a question to legal-discuss@ to see if these license terms are
> > acceptable
> > * Change the logo :(
> >
> > Any other ideas or preferences amongst these?
> >
> >
> My rationale was that I was making a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0 licensed
> work. CC-BY 3.0 allows "... remix, transform, and build upon the material
> for
> any purpose, even commercially." I called it out in NOTICES so our sourcing
> was trackable. I was unaware that my manipulations took our logo closer to
> the pre-derivate source. That it did, is probably of no relevance.
>
> Choice #4, is to continue that our logo is a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0.
>
> Otherwise, I can write vector portal.
>
> St.Ack
>
>
>
> >
> > [1]: http://www.vectorportal.com/copyright/
> > http://www.vectorportal.com/faq/
> > [2]: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> >
> > --
> > Sean
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Licensing problem on logo

Posted by Stack <st...@duboce.net>.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Sean Busbey <bu...@cloudera.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks!
>
> Working through HBASE-14085 and I was verifying license version/text for
> our bundled works in the source distribution.
>
> We have an entry for our logo that points to
> http://www.vectorfree.com/jumping-orca as the source and CC-BY 3.0 as the
> license.
>
> Looking at the source site, that work is under CC-BY 3.0 however, it lists
> that it's a derivative work "Killer whale vector by VectorPortal.com
> <http://www.vectorportal.com/>"
>
> It doesn't give a direct reference, but a quick search on VectorPortal for
> "orca" leads directly to this likely source:
>
>
> http://www.vectorportal.com/subcategory/205/KILLER-WHALE-FREE-VECTOR.eps/ifile/9136/detailtest.asp
>
>
> Given the below description of our modifications:
> "We changed the logo by stripping the colored background, inverting
> it and then rotating it some.
> "
>
> It sounds like we're closer to using the original (or could easily rerun
> our modifications to be based on it).
>
In any case, this original work is not licensed under CC-BY 3.0, nor do
> their license terms[1] line up with the existing acceptable licenses (and
> I'm not sure it would pass the general guidelines)[2].
>
> The three obvious possible next steps I see:
>
> * Contact vector portal and ask them to grant us a license on the image
> under a pre-appoved license (i.e. CC-BY-3.0)
> * Submit a question to legal-discuss@ to see if these license terms are
> acceptable
> * Change the logo :(
>
> Any other ideas or preferences amongst these?
>
>
My rationale was that I was making a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0 licensed
work. CC-BY 3.0 allows "... remix, transform, and build upon the material for
any purpose, even commercially." I called it out in NOTICES so our sourcing
was trackable. I was unaware that my manipulations took our logo closer to
the pre-derivate source. That it did, is probably of no relevance.

Choice #4, is to continue that our logo is a derivative of a CC-BY 3.0.

Otherwise, I can write vector portal.

St.Ack



>
> [1]: http://www.vectorportal.com/copyright/
> http://www.vectorportal.com/faq/
> [2]: http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> --
> Sean
>