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Posted to dev@subversion.apache.org by kf...@collab.net on 2003/08/25 16:13:25 UTC
Re: Subversion l33t
"Files" <fi...@poetryunlimited.com> writes:
> Oh I dunno. The fact that everyone's response to my message so far
> has been "We'd love to have help", even if it hasn't been practiced,
> O high and mighty co-tyrant/despot Karl. :P~
>
> Shamim Islam
> Subversion Commoner
:-)
Seriously, I think you're over-generalizing from one incident...
Sometimes a bug report or a patch just falls through the cracks.
In this case, falling through the cracks was especially likely,
because we don't consider 'svn_load_dirs.pl' to be part of the core
Subversion distribution. Therefore only one or two developers really
follow svn_load_dirs.pl bugs -- so the likelihood of a response is
lower than for a core svn bug.
As to our claim that we'd love to have help, it's really true.
However, we can't afford to spend a lot of administrative overhead
helping people help us. This means that help has to come in the form
of concise, reproducible bug reports and patches that adhere to both
the letter and the spirit of the guidelines in HACKING. (I can't
recall offhand if your mails met these criteria, I'm just pointing out
that "help" is a wide word, and we're only talking about a particular
narrow range of it.) Plus, we have to stick to our prioritization of
1.0 bugs first, everything else second.
I'm sorry your bug report fell through the cracks. This has happened
to me, oh, ten or twenty or a hundred times in a decade of
participating in free software projects :-), so you shouldn't feel too
lonely.
-Karl
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RE: tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
> From: Blair Zajac [mailto:blair@orcaware.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 2:22 AM
> Sander Striker wrote:
>>
>> Yeah... I was more inquiring about the timing. But hey, you couldn't
>> I'm doing it now. Below is the log message. Before I commit it I'd
>> like to ask if this is what was in mind? Anything I've overlooked?
>>
>> Sander
>>
>> ---
>> Log:
>> * contrib/
>>
>> New directory holding contributed works that are maintained by 3rd
>> parties or single developers, instead of being actively maintained
>> at the same time as subversion code churns.
>
> What's the distinction that was used for separating the tools?
The rule I used was that the tool either had to be so incredibly simple
that it can't break (think the server version script), or it has to
have at least two people who can respond to support questions and fix
if broken.
Sander
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Re: tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by Blair Zajac <bl...@orcaware.com>.
Sander Striker wrote:
>
> Yeah... I was more inquiring about the timing. But hey, you couldn't
> I'm doing it now. Below is the log message. Before I commit it I'd
> like to ask if this is what was in mind? Anything I've overlooked?
>
> Sander
>
> ---
> Log:
> * contrib/
>
> New directory holding contributed works that are maintained by 3rd
> parties or single developers, instead of being actively maintained
> at the same time as subversion code churns.
What's the distinction that was used for separating the tools?
> * contrib/cgi
> * contrib/cgi/mirror_dir_through_svn.README
> * contrib/cgi/mirror_dir_through_svn.cgi
> * contrib/cgi/svn-log.cgi
> * contrib/cgi/svn-log.pl
> * contrib/cgi/tweak-log.cgi
>
> Moved from tools/cgi/.
>
> * contrib/client-side
> * contrib/client-side/psvn
> * contrib/client-side/psvn/psvn.el
> * contrib/client-side/search-svnlog.pl
> * contrib/client-side/showchange.pl
> * contrib/client-side/svn.vim
> * contrib/client-side/svn_all_diffs.pl
> * contrib/client-side/svn_load_dirs.README
> * contrib/client-side/svn_load_dirs.pl.in
> * contrib/client-side/svn_load_dirs_property_table.example
I'd like to keep svn_load_dirs as a supported project and I'll do
the support if required. I think the tool is pretty much done, so
it won't need much more work. It's also written up in the svn
book and I would like to leave it in there.
Blair
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RE: tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
> From: Benjamin Pflugmann [mailto:benjamin-svn-dev@pflugmann.de]
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 8:40 PM
> On Mon 2003-08-25 at 19:36:27 +0200, Sander Striker wrote:
> > I'm going to split the tools directory into a contrib and a tools
> > directory. The latter will be guaranteed to be maintained and up
> > to date, whereas contrib/ will not.
>
> Deja vu? Didn't we already had this idea and question presented?
We did.
> Ah, yes,
>
> http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=42214
>
> from end of July.
>
> > Objections?
>
> See above thread. ;-)
Yeah... I was more inquiring about the timing. But hey, you couldn't
tell from my mail.
> Summary: No one objected and several people gave a +1. David Summers
> voluntered to create a list as suggestion of what should go to tools
> and what to contrib.
I'm doing it now. Below is the log message. Before I commit it I'd
like to ask if this is what was in mind? Anything I've overlooked?
Sander
---
Log:
* contrib/
New directory holding contributed works that are maintained by 3rd
parties or single developers, instead of being actively maintained
at the same time as subversion code churns.
* contrib/cgi
* contrib/cgi/mirror_dir_through_svn.README
* contrib/cgi/mirror_dir_through_svn.cgi
* contrib/cgi/svn-log.cgi
* contrib/cgi/svn-log.pl
* contrib/cgi/tweak-log.cgi
Moved from tools/cgi/.
* contrib/client-side
* contrib/client-side/psvn
* contrib/client-side/psvn/psvn.el
* contrib/client-side/search-svnlog.pl
* contrib/client-side/showchange.pl
* contrib/client-side/svn.vim
* contrib/client-side/svn_all_diffs.pl
* contrib/client-side/svn_load_dirs.README
* contrib/client-side/svn_load_dirs.pl.in
* contrib/client-side/svn_load_dirs_property_table.example
* contrib/client-side/vc-svn.el
Moved from tools/client-side/.
* tools/enable-dupkeys.sh
Deleted. This ancient program is still accessible through
history if someone may need it; which is unlikely.
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer
New folder.
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/mailer.conf.example
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/mailer.py
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/tests
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/tests/mailer-init.sh
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/tests/mailer-t1.output
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/tests/mailer-t1.sh
* tools/hook-scripts/mailer/tests/mailer-tweak.py
Moved from tools/hook-scripts/.
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Re: tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by David Summers <da...@summersoft.fay.ar.us>.
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Benjamin Pflugmann wrote:
> On Mon 2003-08-25 at 19:36:27 +0200, Sander Striker wrote:
> > I'm going to split the tools directory into a contrib and a tools
> > directory. The latter will be guaranteed to be maintained and up
> > to date, whereas contrib/ will not.
>
> Deja vu? Didn't we already had this idea and question presented?
>
> Ah, yes,
>
> http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=42214
>
> from end of July.
>
> > Objections?
>
> See above thread. ;-)
>
> Summary: No one objected and several people gave a +1. David Summers
> voluntered to create a list as suggestion of what should go to tools
> and what to contrib.
Yeah, sorry....*I've* been swamperoonied the last several weeks, also. If
someone else beats me to it...go for it. +1.
Thanks!
--
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Re: tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by Benjamin Pflugmann <be...@pflugmann.de>.
On Mon 2003-08-25 at 19:36:27 +0200, Sander Striker wrote:
> I'm going to split the tools directory into a contrib and a tools
> directory. The latter will be guaranteed to be maintained and up
> to date, whereas contrib/ will not.
Deja vu? Didn't we already had this idea and question presented?
Ah, yes,
http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=42214
from end of July.
> Objections?
See above thread. ;-)
Summary: No one objected and several people gave a +1. David Summers
voluntered to create a list as suggestion of what should go to tools
and what to contrib.
Bye,
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Re: tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by kf...@collab.net.
"Sander Striker" <st...@apache.org> writes:
> I'm going to split the tools directory into a contrib and a tools
> directory. The latter will be guaranteed to be maintained and up
> to date, whereas contrib/ will not.
>
> Objections?
I was just about to do this (I'd even already done 'svn mkdir
contrib'). But if you're doing it, I'll move on to something else.
To avoid a recursive wait, I'll assume you're doing it unless hear
otherwise.
-Karl
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tools/ vs contrib/, svn_load_dirs.pl, WAS: RE: Subversion l33t
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net [mailto:kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net]On
> Behalf Of kfogel@collab.net
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:13 PM
> In this case, falling through the cracks was especially likely,
> because we don't consider 'svn_load_dirs.pl' to be part of the core
> Subversion distribution. Therefore only one or two developers really
> follow svn_load_dirs.pl bugs -- so the likelihood of a response is
> lower than for a core svn bug.
I'm going to split the tools directory into a contrib and a tools
directory. The latter will be guaranteed to be maintained and up
to date, whereas contrib/ will not.
Objections?
Sander
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