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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> on 2012/10/06 01:59:37 UTC
OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
The attachment is on the cWiki:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
&
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
> &
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
Alexandro,
This looks super! Would it be possible to get the svg for just the orb part
without the lettering? Or is this something one of our more graphically
inclined folks to produce? Or maybe separately AND together?
Mostly, I think the goal should be to keep things sync'ed up in:
www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/
and you will note, they currently are not.
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Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/8/12, Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com> wrote:
> Hi Ian,
>
> On 07.10.2012 00:10, Ian Lynch wrote:
>> On 6 October 2012 22:23, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/6/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker.
>>> Since
>>>> they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in
>>>> small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
>>>
>>> Well this would be confusing in itself, doesnt it already has a printed
>>> TM?
>>>
>>
>> One thing that immediately springs to mind is that Inkscape is getting
>> used
>> for these drawings in preference to AOO Draw because it supports svg. If
>> we are serious about a drawing component to AOO and to open standards we
>> must have a strategy to fully support svg. This has been an on-going
>> issue
>> since the start of OOo but it is getting more and more urgent as time
>> goes
>> on. Armin has done some great work, no doubt about it but we really need
>> to
>> take it further. I only wish I had the know how.
>
> It would be nice to fully support it, but don't forget that we need
> these things as OLE, MS-compatible CustomShapes and more stuff not
> supported by SVG, so there is no way to get a pure SVG editor from
> Draw/Impress.
> We already have the good import (which creates an imported graphic
> containing the SVG) and a medium-quality export. Currently to do more
> than transformaing the SVG you need to 'break' it to draw objects
> (convert to our internal ODF data).
> The easiest way to support this with more deph would be to go into a
> 'Svg'-mode when a SVG graphic is selected (comparable from the theory to
> go to a bitmap editor UI when selecting a bitmap graphic).
> Both would lead to writing new programs with new UI for these cases, a
> long lasting task to do, but possible. Woulöd also be nice for bitmap
> graphics, though. The quesion is if this would not already overburden
> our normal target users...
> A good and logic way forward would be to write a SVG2.0 export, that
> could be used for playing presentations without AOO at all. Any
> volunteers...?
I think this conversation really needs it's own thread. But I wanted
to add that it would be good to try dto draw something complex like
the orb on draw and then on inkscape to get a full grasp of Draw
limitations and advantages.
Draw way of doing things are much more structure, meaning that has
more dialogs to go through and less easy to use things like mouse.
One example is the use of text. Inkscape will dinamically grow or
reduce the fonts as the user resize the Text box. Draw will only c
hange the size of the text box.
Draw management of layers are much less intuitive than Inkscape,
trying to lock or hide a layer is a button, while on draw is a hidden
menu.
Inkscape has a great color management (it could even be better with a
always on text box of the hex). Draw is more strict with the palette
and you need to introduce the color to the palette first to use it.
Also much more limited palette.
Gradients and transparencies are much more intensive to work in draw,
althought the toolbar does provide some quick access to global
transparency, there is only to the object and not the color. (same
issue of the palette).
I know Inkscape and Draw are contextually different, so I will even go
into comparing Draw with Scribus. The way Scribus does gradients,
shapes, layers, bitmap adjustment seems a bit less process intensive
than Draw.
>
> Sincerely,
> Armin
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> - Dennis
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
>>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
>>>>
>>>> On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Alexandro,
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
>>>>>> cleanup
>>>>>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>>>>>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>>>>>> &
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
>>>>> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free
>>>>> logo
>>>>> of this type ?.
>>>>> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author
>>>>> and
>>>>> license of the work.
>>>>> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to
>>>>> do
>>>>> to
>>>>> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a
>>> line
>>>>> with the corresponding informations.
>>>>
>>>> SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
>>>> on the work.
>>>>
>>>> Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
>>>>
>>> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
>>>>
>>>>> A+
>>>>> --
>>>>> gw
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Armin Le Grand <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Ian,
On 07.10.2012 00:10, Ian Lynch wrote:
> On 6 October 2012 22:23, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker.
>> Since
>>> they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in
>>> small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
>>
>> Well this would be confusing in itself, doesnt it already has a printed TM?
>>
>
> One thing that immediately springs to mind is that Inkscape is getting used
> for these drawings in preference to AOO Draw because it supports svg. If
> we are serious about a drawing component to AOO and to open standards we
> must have a strategy to fully support svg. This has been an on-going issue
> since the start of OOo but it is getting more and more urgent as time goes
> on. Armin has done some great work, no doubt about it but we really need to
> take it further. I only wish I had the know how.
It would be nice to fully support it, but don't forget that we need
these things as OLE, MS-compatible CustomShapes and more stuff not
supported by SVG, so there is no way to get a pure SVG editor from
Draw/Impress.
We already have the good import (which creates an imported graphic
containing the SVG) and a medium-quality export. Currently to do more
than transformaing the SVG you need to 'break' it to draw objects
(convert to our internal ODF data).
The easiest way to support this with more deph would be to go into a
'Svg'-mode when a SVG graphic is selected (comparable from the theory to
go to a bitmap editor UI when selecting a bitmap graphic).
Both would lead to writing new programs with new UI for these cases, a
long lasting task to do, but possible. Woulöd also be nice for bitmap
graphics, though. The quesion is if this would not already overburden
our normal target users...
A good and logic way forward would be to write a SVG2.0 export, that
could be used for playing presentations without AOO at all. Any
volunteers...?
Sincerely,
Armin
>>
>>>
>>> - Dennis
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
>>>
>>> On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Alexandro,
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>>>>
>>>>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
>>>>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>>>>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>>>>> &
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
>>>> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free
>>>> logo
>>>> of this type ?.
>>>> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author and
>>>> license of the work.
>>>> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to do
>>>> to
>>>> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a
>> line
>>>> with the corresponding informations.
>>>
>>> SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
>>> on the work.
>>>
>>> Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
>>>
>> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
>>>
>>>> A+
>>>> --
>>>> gw
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
>
>
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On 10/6/12, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6 October 2012 22:23, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/6/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker.
>>> Since
>>> > they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information
>>> > in
>>> > small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
>>>
>>> Well this would be confusing in itself, doesnt it already has a printed
>>> TM?
>>>
>>
>> One thing that immediately springs to mind is that Inkscape is getting
>> used
>> for these drawings in preference to AOO Draw because it supports svg. If
>> we are serious about a drawing component to AOO and to open standards we
>> must have a strategy to fully support svg. This has been an on-going
>> issue
>> since the start of OOo but it is getting more and more urgent as time
>> goes
>> on. Armin has done some great work, no doubt about it but we really need
>> to
>> take it further. I only wish I had the know how.
>
> Scribus, which is a DTP application in many ways similar and
> compatible with OOo Draw (and followups) also provide a very good
> support for SVG. This could be a great testcase to understand how they
> approach and support SVG's advanced features[1] like animation,
> scripting, and gradients.
>
> One big difference I have felt on Draw versus Inkscape (in practice)
> is the way curve lines work, is opposite to what inkcape and other
> tracing software (fontforge, sodipodi, gimp, etc) had us used to. The
> node's vertices behave on an opposite manner and make the drawing
> techniques vary somewhat. I am not sure why this is and hope a DTP
> expert can define a line between drawing and DTP.
>
> Funny enough the Scribus community reffers to us[2] for creating high
> quality graphics thanks to our sophisticate 3D extensions on objects.
>
> [1]http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=4732 |
> http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=1701
> [2]http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/How_to_Create_a_High-Quality_Chart_Using_OpenOffice.org_and_Scribus
Further chat with the people on the #scribus chatroom on IRC they
point me out about the way they handle SVG, which is through a Plugin.
http://sourceforge.net/p/scribus/trunk/ci/08c3ce529d3e508802200fdb0fe67bc9f00000e0/tree/Scribus/scribus/plugins/import/svg/
By the way, there is also some good documentation on the way they hand
the ODG fileformat (OO draw native fileformat)
http://sourceforge.net/p/scribus/trunk/ci/08c3ce529d3e508802200fdb0fe67bc9f00000e0/tree/Scribus/scribus/plugins/import/oodraw/
>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > - Dennis
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>>> > Alexandro Colorado
>>> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
>>> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> > Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
>>> >
>>> > On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Hi Alexandro,
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>>> >>
>>> >>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
>>> >>> cleanup
>>> >>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>>> >>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>>> >>> &
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
>>> >> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free
>>> >> logo
>>> >> of this type ?.
>>> >> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author
>>> >> and
>>> >> license of the work.
>>> >> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to
>>> >> do
>>> >> to
>>> >> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a
>>> line
>>> >> with the corresponding informations.
>>> >
>>> > SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
>>> > on the work.
>>> >
>>> > Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
>>> >
>>> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
>>> >
>>> >> A+
>>> >> --
>>> >> gw
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Alexandro Colorado
>>> > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> > http://es.openoffice.org
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alexandro Colorado
>>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ian
>>
>> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>>
>> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
>>
>> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
>> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
>> Wales.
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6 October 2012 22:23, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>
>> On 10/6/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker.
>> Since
>> > they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in
>> > small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
>>
>> Well this would be confusing in itself, doesnt it already has a printed
>> TM?
>>
>
> One thing that immediately springs to mind is that Inkscape is getting used
> for these drawings in preference to AOO Draw because it supports svg. If
> we are serious about a drawing component to AOO and to open standards we
> must have a strategy to fully support svg. This has been an on-going issue
> since the start of OOo but it is getting more and more urgent as time goes
> on. Armin has done some great work, no doubt about it but we really need to
> take it further. I only wish I had the know how.
Scribus, which is a DTP application in many ways similar and
compatible with OOo Draw (and followups) also provide a very good
support for SVG. This could be a great testcase to understand how they
approach and support SVG's advanced features[1] like animation,
scripting, and gradients.
One big difference I have felt on Draw versus Inkscape (in practice)
is the way curve lines work, is opposite to what inkcape and other
tracing software (fontforge, sodipodi, gimp, etc) had us used to. The
node's vertices behave on an opposite manner and make the drawing
techniques vary somewhat. I am not sure why this is and hope a DTP
expert can define a line between drawing and DTP.
Funny enough the Scribus community reffers to us[2] for creating high
quality graphics thanks to our sophisticate 3D extensions on objects.
[1]http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=4732 |
http://bugs.scribus.net/view.php?id=1701
[2]http://wiki.scribus.net/canvas/How_to_Create_a_High-Quality_Chart_Using_OpenOffice.org_and_Scribus
>
>>
>> >
>> > - Dennis
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
>> > Alexandro Colorado
>> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
>> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> > Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
>> >
>> > On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Hi Alexandro,
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>> >>
>> >>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
>> >>> cleanup
>> >>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>> >>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>> >>> &
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
>> >> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free
>> >> logo
>> >> of this type ?.
>> >> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author
>> >> and
>> >> license of the work.
>> >> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to
>> >> do
>> >> to
>> >> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a
>> line
>> >> with the corresponding informations.
>> >
>> > SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
>> > on the work.
>> >
>> > Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
>> >
>> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
>> >
>> >> A+
>> >> --
>> >> gw
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Alexandro Colorado
>> > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> > http://es.openoffice.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian
>
> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>
> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
>
> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
> Wales.
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 6 October 2012 22:23, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On 10/6/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker.
> Since
> > they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in
> > small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
>
> Well this would be confusing in itself, doesnt it already has a printed TM?
>
One thing that immediately springs to mind is that Inkscape is getting used
for these drawings in preference to AOO Draw because it supports svg. If
we are serious about a drawing component to AOO and to open standards we
must have a strategy to fully support svg. This has been an on-going issue
since the start of OOo but it is getting more and more urgent as time goes
on. Armin has done some great work, no doubt about it but we really need to
take it further. I only wish I had the know how.
>
> >
> > - Dennis
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
> >
> > On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi Alexandro,
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
> >>
> >>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
> >>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> >>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
> >>>
> >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
> >>> &
> >>>
> >>>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
> >>
> >>
> >> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
> >> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free
> >> logo
> >> of this type ?.
> >> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author and
> >> license of the work.
> >> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to do
> >> to
> >> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a
> line
> >> with the corresponding informations.
> >
> > SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
> > on the work.
> >
> > Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
> >
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
> >
> >> A+
> >> --
> >> gw
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> > http://es.openoffice.org
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Dennis E. Hamilton <or...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker. Since
> they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in
> small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
Well this would be confusing in itself, doesnt it already has a printed TM?
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
> Alexandro Colorado
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
>
> On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Alexandro,
>> Hi all,
>>
>> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>>
>>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
>>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>>> &
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>>
>>
>> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
>> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free
>> logo
>> of this type ?.
>> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author and
>> license of the work.
>> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to do
>> to
>> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a line
>> with the corresponding informations.
>
> SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
> on the work.
>
> Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
> http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
>
>> A+
>> --
>> gw
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
RE: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <or...@apache.org>.
I think the OP is asking about printed forms, as on a bumper sticker. Since they are presumably enlarged, the provision of trademark information in small but readable type at/around the margin would probably work.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: acolorado@gmail.com [mailto:acolorado@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Alexandro Colorado
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 09:28
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alexandro,
> Hi all,
>
> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>
>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>> &
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>
>
> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free logo
> of this type ?.
> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author and
> license of the work.
> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to do to
> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a line
> with the corresponding informations.
SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
on the work.
Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
> A+
> --
> gw
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Alexandro,
> Hi all,
>
> 2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
>
>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>> &
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>
>
> Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
> Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free logo
> of this type ?.
> In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author and
> license of the work.
> But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to do to
> give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a line
> with the corresponding informations.
SVG is an XML program and support Metadata, which is extra information
on the work.
Inkscape support such metadata including a series of documents.
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/images/4/47/Inkscape-0.44SVN-metadata.png
> A+
> --
> gw
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Alexandro,
Hi all,
2012/10/6 Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
> &
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
Many thanks for your work, it's appreciated.
Please, could you tell me how to reuse properly your work or any free logo
of this type ?.
In a book there is no problem, a notice"Credits" can tell the author and
license of the work.
But in other cases of use, as a banner on a car or as poster, how to do to
give credit of the reused work ? I see only the possibility to add a line
with the corresponding informations.
A+
--
gw
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
>> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>> The attachment is on the cWiki:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>> &
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
>
> The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we have.
>
> The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
> rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems to
> be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=27834483
> with your version.
>
> Font was discussed in this thread
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
> comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so it
> might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
Ah thanks that makes it much easier than tracing (which is what I was
doing). Then I should put up a v2.0
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 6:54 AM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some comments
> about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so it might be
> possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
>
Apparently there´s a free alternative to verdana:Kalimati
See the screenshots it looks the same if you ask me
http://mondaybynoon.com/20070402/linux-font-equivalents-to-popular-web-typefaces/
FC
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
> wrote:
> > > On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >> On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >> >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > > >> >> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
> > > >> >> > cleanup
> > > >> >> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>
> [....]
>
> > >
> > > Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
> > > http://imagebin.org/231157
> > >
> > > please comment.
> >
> > Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
> > http://imagebin.org/231160
>
> I do like Nimbus, however if we are going to use a font rather than a
> graphic,
>
Graphics is an option, I like this sample of graphics used on a font
http://opensourceschools.org.uk/book/export/html/4
This will make it look greatly artistically with gradients and other vector
object. Maybe a feather-like feature to the font style.
> we should look at Century School book. It has a much more finished and
> mature
> look. I think, if memory serves, it's the preferred font for the US
> courts...
> Not that that matters, however, more importantly, it does perform well if
> condensing. You could probably condense it 30 odd percent and it would
> still
> look good. It does give a bit more freedom in that way.
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org>.
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> > On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > >> >> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
> > >> >> > cleanup
> > >> >> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
[....]
> >
> > Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
> > http://imagebin.org/231157
> >
> > please comment.
>
> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
> http://imagebin.org/231160
I do like Nimbus, however if we are going to use a font rather than a graphic,
we should look at Century School book. It has a much more finished and mature
look. I think, if memory serves, it's the preferred font for the US courts...
Not that that matters, however, more importantly, it does perform well if
condensing. You could probably condense it 30 odd percent and it would still
look good. It does give a bit more freedom in that way.
Cheers
GL
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/17/12, Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Let's try some design explorations using open source fonts. I have some
> comps I will share.
+1
>
> Kevin
>
> On Oct 18, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>
>> There hasn't been any reply to this, I wonder if this means we should
>> think about a new font type with a functional source.
>>
>> On 10/10/12, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 08/10/2012 Graham Lauder wrote:
>>>> That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what
>>>> it
>>>> is tho. Searching
>>>
>>> We needn't search. Let's ask Michael Acevedo (in CC), since the logo at
>>> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
>>> should be his work.
>>>
>>> Michael, do you remember in what font was "Apache OpenOffice" typeset?
>>> If you missed this thread, we are trying to create a proper SVG version
>>> of the above logo. The orb is done, we are now targeting the text.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Andrea.
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Let's try some design explorations using open source fonts. I have some comps I will share.
Kevin
On Oct 18, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> There hasn't been any reply to this, I wonder if this means we should
> think about a new font type with a functional source.
>
> On 10/10/12, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 08/10/2012 Graham Lauder wrote:
>>> That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it
>>> is tho. Searching
>>
>> We needn't search. Let's ask Michael Acevedo (in CC), since the logo at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
>> should be his work.
>>
>> Michael, do you remember in what font was "Apache OpenOffice" typeset?
>> If you missed this thread, we are trying to create a proper SVG version
>> of the above logo. The orb is done, we are now targeting the text.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
There hasn't been any reply to this, I wonder if this means we should
think about a new font type with a functional source.
On 10/10/12, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 08/10/2012 Graham Lauder wrote:
>> That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it
>> is tho. Searching
>
> We needn't search. Let's ask Michael Acevedo (in CC), since the logo at
> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
> should be his work.
>
> Michael, do you remember in what font was "Apache OpenOffice" typeset?
> If you missed this thread, we are trying to create a proper SVG version
> of the above logo. The orb is done, we are now targeting the text.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 08/10/2012 Graham Lauder wrote:
> That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it
> is tho. Searching
We needn't search. Let's ask Michael Acevedo (in CC), since the logo at
http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
should be his work.
Michael, do you remember in what font was "Apache OpenOffice" typeset?
If you missed this thread, we are trying to create a proper SVG version
of the above logo. The orb is done, we are now targeting the text.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
Oh and please excuse top posting I'm sending this from my non I-phone
Cheers
G
On 8/10/2012 9:32 PM, "Graham Lauder" <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> It doesn't look like nimbus either the terminal on the f is different. In
> the logo the terminal is slightly dipped whereas the terminal in the nimbus
> f is straight. Tis a conundrum indeed. Mind you he could have easily done
> that in Inkscape
> On 8/10/2012 8:40 PM, "Alexandro Colorado" <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I'm Linux too but I have a win 7 instance on a vm. So I just pulled them
>> > across
>> > There is a package called installmsfonts in the suse repos. But the
>> font in
>> > the logo jpg is definitely not verdana. It looks closer to sergo.
>> >
>>
>> Michael Carrazo is the original author of the fonts, so maybe he could
>> provide the right specs.
>> Looking at this svg
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/aoo.svg
>>
>> It shows the following XML:
>>
>> <text transform="scale(1.0235149,0.97702534)"
>> sodipodi:linespacing="125%" id="text3053"
>> y="184.74756" x="590.01324"
>>
>> style="font-size:97.06866455px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px;fill:#0e85cd;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;font-family:Nimbus
>> Sans L;-inkscape-font-specification:Nimbus Sans L Bold"
>> xml:space="preserve"><tspan y="184.74756"
>> x="590.01324" id="tspan3055"
>> sodipodi:role="line">Open</tspan><tspan id="tspan3057"
>> y="306.08337" x="590.01324"
>> sodipodi:role="line" /></text> <text
>> transform="scale(1.0618886,0.94171839)"
>> sodipodi:linespacing="125%" id="text3065"
>> y="193.76079" x="805.81018"
>>
>> style="font-size:97.06999207px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px;fill:#000000;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;font-family:Nimbus
>> Sans L;-inkscape-font-specification:Nimbus Sans L Bold"
>> xml:space="preserve"><tspan y="193.76079"
>> x="805.81018" id="tspan3067"
>> sodipodi:role="line">Office</tspan></text>
>>
>> So Nimbus Sans L Bold is what shows on this one, which I already provided
>> on an imagebin previously.
>>
>>
>> > On 8/10/2012 8:19 PM, "Alexandro Colorado" <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On 10/8/12, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure
>> what
>> > it
>> > > > is tho. Searching
>> > >
>> > > Since I dont use windows I dont have verdana on my Linux system so I
>> > > manually went out and looked and download the Verdana font. If you
>> > > have a ttf maybe I would be able to try it, or you can do it from your
>> > > inkscape.
>> > >
>> > > > On 7/10/2012 11:58 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the
>> Os.
>> > > >>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
>> > > >>>> please comment.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
>> > > >>> http://imagebin.org/231160
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current
>> > effort
>> > > >> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
>> > > >> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-**hires.jpg<
>> > > http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg>
>> > > >> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
>> > > >> fonts,
>> > > >> will still be very useful for possible future discussions on
>> tweaking
>> > > the
>> > > >> logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment priority
>> should go
>> > > to
>> > > >> obtaining a perfect vector representation of the official logo, to
>> > have
>> > > >> something we can point people at when we grant them permission to
>> use
>> > > our
>> > > >> (current) logo.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Regards,
>> > > >> Andrea.
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Alexandro Colorado
>> > > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> > > http://es.openoffice.org
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>>
>
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
It doesn't look like nimbus either the terminal on the f is different. In
the logo the terminal is slightly dipped whereas the terminal in the nimbus
f is straight. Tis a conundrum indeed. Mind you he could have easily done
that in Inkscape
On 8/10/2012 8:40 PM, "Alexandro Colorado" <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm Linux too but I have a win 7 instance on a vm. So I just pulled them
> > across
> > There is a package called installmsfonts in the suse repos. But the font
> in
> > the logo jpg is definitely not verdana. It looks closer to sergo.
> >
>
> Michael Carrazo is the original author of the fonts, so maybe he could
> provide the right specs.
> Looking at this svg
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/aoo.svg
>
> It shows the following XML:
>
> <text transform="scale(1.0235149,0.97702534)"
> sodipodi:linespacing="125%" id="text3053"
> y="184.74756" x="590.01324"
>
> style="font-size:97.06866455px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px;fill:#0e85cd;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;font-family:Nimbus
> Sans L;-inkscape-font-specification:Nimbus Sans L Bold"
> xml:space="preserve"><tspan y="184.74756"
> x="590.01324" id="tspan3055"
> sodipodi:role="line">Open</tspan><tspan id="tspan3057"
> y="306.08337" x="590.01324"
> sodipodi:role="line" /></text> <text
> transform="scale(1.0618886,0.94171839)"
> sodipodi:linespacing="125%" id="text3065"
> y="193.76079" x="805.81018"
>
> style="font-size:97.06999207px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px;fill:#000000;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;font-family:Nimbus
> Sans L;-inkscape-font-specification:Nimbus Sans L Bold"
> xml:space="preserve"><tspan y="193.76079"
> x="805.81018" id="tspan3067"
> sodipodi:role="line">Office</tspan></text>
>
> So Nimbus Sans L Bold is what shows on this one, which I already provided
> on an imagebin previously.
>
>
> > On 8/10/2012 8:19 PM, "Alexandro Colorado" <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On 10/8/12, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure
> what
> > it
> > > > is tho. Searching
> > >
> > > Since I dont use windows I dont have verdana on my Linux system so I
> > > manually went out and looked and download the Verdana font. If you
> > > have a ttf maybe I would be able to try it, or you can do it from your
> > > inkscape.
> > >
> > > > On 7/10/2012 11:58 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the
> Os.
> > > >>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
> > > >>>> please comment.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
> > > >>> http://imagebin.org/231160
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current
> > effort
> > > >> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
> > > >> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-**hires.jpg<
> > > http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg>
> > > >> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
> > > >>
> > > >> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
> > > >> fonts,
> > > >> will still be very useful for possible future discussions on
> tweaking
> > > the
> > > >> logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment priority should
> go
> > > to
> > > >> obtaining a perfect vector representation of the official logo, to
> > have
> > > >> something we can point people at when we grant them permission to
> use
> > > our
> > > >> (current) logo.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Andrea.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Alexandro Colorado
> > > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> > > http://es.openoffice.org
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 2:30 AM, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm Linux too but I have a win 7 instance on a vm. So I just pulled them
> across
> There is a package called installmsfonts in the suse repos. But the font in
> the logo jpg is definitely not verdana. It looks closer to sergo.
>
Michael Carrazo is the original author of the fonts, so maybe he could
provide the right specs.
Looking at this svg
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/aoo.svg
It shows the following XML:
<text transform="scale(1.0235149,0.97702534)"
sodipodi:linespacing="125%" id="text3053"
y="184.74756" x="590.01324"
style="font-size:97.06866455px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px;fill:#0e85cd;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;font-family:Nimbus
Sans L;-inkscape-font-specification:Nimbus Sans L Bold"
xml:space="preserve"><tspan y="184.74756"
x="590.01324" id="tspan3055"
sodipodi:role="line">Open</tspan><tspan id="tspan3057"
y="306.08337" x="590.01324"
sodipodi:role="line" /></text> <text
transform="scale(1.0618886,0.94171839)"
sodipodi:linespacing="125%" id="text3065"
y="193.76079" x="805.81018"
style="font-size:97.06999207px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:bold;font-stretch:normal;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px;fill:#000000;fill-opacity:1;stroke:none;font-family:Nimbus
Sans L;-inkscape-font-specification:Nimbus Sans L Bold"
xml:space="preserve"><tspan y="193.76079"
x="805.81018" id="tspan3067"
sodipodi:role="line">Office</tspan></text>
So Nimbus Sans L Bold is what shows on this one, which I already provided
on an imagebin previously.
> On 8/10/2012 8:19 PM, "Alexandro Colorado" <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>
> > On 10/8/12, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what
> it
> > > is tho. Searching
> >
> > Since I dont use windows I dont have verdana on my Linux system so I
> > manually went out and looked and download the Verdana font. If you
> > have a ttf maybe I would be able to try it, or you can do it from your
> > inkscape.
> >
> > > On 7/10/2012 11:58 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
> > >>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
> > >>>> please comment.
> > >>>>
> > >>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
> > >>> http://imagebin.org/231160
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current
> effort
> > >> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
> > >> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-**hires.jpg<
> > http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg>
> > >> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
> > >>
> > >> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
> > >> fonts,
> > >> will still be very useful for possible future discussions on tweaking
> > the
> > >> logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment priority should go
> > to
> > >> obtaining a perfect vector representation of the official logo, to
> have
> > >> something we can point people at when we grant them permission to use
> > our
> > >> (current) logo.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Andrea.
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Alexandro Colorado
> > PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> > http://es.openoffice.org
> >
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
I'm Linux too but I have a win 7 instance on a vm. So I just pulled them
across
There is a package called installmsfonts in the suse repos. But the font in
the logo jpg is definitely not verdana. It looks closer to sergo.
On 8/10/2012 8:19 PM, "Alexandro Colorado" <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On 10/8/12, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it
> > is tho. Searching
>
> Since I dont use windows I dont have verdana on my Linux system so I
> manually went out and looked and download the Verdana font. If you
> have a ttf maybe I would be able to try it, or you can do it from your
> inkscape.
>
> > On 7/10/2012 11:58 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
> >>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
> >>>> please comment.
> >>>>
> >>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
> >>> http://imagebin.org/231160
> >>>
> >>
> >> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current effort
> >> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
> >> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-**hires.jpg<
> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg>
> >> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
> >>
> >> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
> >> fonts,
> >> will still be very useful for possible future discussions on tweaking
> the
> >> logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment priority should go
> to
> >> obtaining a perfect vector representation of the official logo, to have
> >> something we can point people at when we grant them permission to use
> our
> >> (current) logo.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Andrea.
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/8/12, Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it
> is tho. Searching
Since I dont use windows I dont have verdana on my Linux system so I
manually went out and looked and download the Verdana font. If you
have a ttf maybe I would be able to try it, or you can do it from your
inkscape.
> On 7/10/2012 11:58 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
>>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
>>>> please comment.
>>>>
>>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
>>> http://imagebin.org/231160
>>>
>>
>> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current effort
>> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
>> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-**hires.jpg<http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg>
>> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
>>
>> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
>> fonts,
>> will still be very useful for possible future discussions on tweaking the
>> logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment priority should go to
>> obtaining a perfect vector representation of the official logo, to have
>> something we can point people at when we grant them permission to use our
>> (current) logo.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andrea.
>>
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <g....@gmail.com>.
That's not verdana the bowl on the p is the wrong shape. Not sure what it
is tho. Searching
On 7/10/2012 11:58 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>
>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
>>> please comment.
>>>
>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
>> http://imagebin.org/231160
>>
>
> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current effort
> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
> http://www.openoffice.org/**images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-**hires.jpg<http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg>
> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
>
> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free fonts,
> will still be very useful for possible future discussions on tweaking the
> logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment priority should go to
> obtaining a perfect vector representation of the official logo, to have
> something we can point people at when we grant them permission to use our
> (current) logo.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/7/12, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
>>> http://imagebin.org/231157
>>> please comment.
>> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
>> http://imagebin.org/231160
>
> It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current effort
> is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
> http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
> (which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
Actually I tried to use verdana but it seems is not to be as straight
forward. Both Verdana and Verdana Bold don't quite adjust to the
original logo. It seems the logo uses a SemiBold typeface.
Here is the Regular Verdana on the logo:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
>
> That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
> fonts, will still be very useful for possible future discussions on
> tweaking the logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment
> priority should go to obtaining a perfect vector representation of the
> official logo, to have something we can point people at when we grant
> them permission to use our (current) logo.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
>> http://imagebin.org/231157
>> please comment.
> Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
> http://imagebin.org/231160
It's nice to see all these variants but remember that the current effort
is about obtaining an exact SVG version of
http://www.openoffice.org/images/AOO_logos/AOO-logo-hires.jpg
(which is our official logo and uses, apparently, Verdana).
That said, experimenting with other fonts, and especially with free
fonts, will still be very useful for possible future discussions on
tweaking the logo at a certain point in time, but in this moment
priority should go to obtaining a perfect vector representation of the
official logo, to have something we can point people at when we grant
them permission to use our (current) logo.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >> >> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
> >> >> > cleanup
> >> >> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> >> >> > The attachment is on the cWiki:
> >> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/Apac
> >> >> > heO penOfficeTM.svg &
> >> >> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?p
> >> >> > age Id=27834483&sortBy=date&
> >> >>
> >> >> The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we
> have.
> >> >>
> >> >> The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
> >> >> rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems
> to
> >> >> be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
> >> >>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2783448
> >> >> 3 with your version.
> >> >
> >> > You're right, that vector needs a little titivating
> >> >
> >> >> Font was discussed in this thread
> >> >>
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
> >> >> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
> >> >> comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so
> >> >> it
> >> >> might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
> >> >
> >> > That's not difficult, all fonts are vectors in any case and fontforge
> >> > will export svg.
> >> >
> >> > I would definitely raise a -1 to using any proprietary fonts,
> >> > especially
> >> > one
> >>
> >> Here is a comparison between Bitstream, Nimbus and Liberation.
> >>
> >> http://imagebin.org/231102
> >>
> >> Bitstream also was modified by reducing the width by 15%.
> >
> > That's right I remember doing that way back, the problem with that was/is
> > that
> > it made the font loo heavy in the wrong places. The most noticeable was
> in
> >
> > the O In the bitstream family, the arc and the stress in the O are the
> same
> >
> > width from top to bottom whereas in for instance Frutiger, the original
> OOo
> >
> > font, the widths of the arc (the top and bottom of the bowl) were half
> the
> > width of the stress (the sides). This had the effect that when the font
> was
> >
> > compressed, the arc remained lighter than the stress, or at least until
> you
> >
> > got to 50%.
> >
> > With all of the Bitstream fonts (DejaVu, and Liberation are just
> variations
> > on
> > the original Bitstream) compressing the font results in the character
> > looking
> > top heavy with a fat butt because the arcs are now wider than the
> > stresses.
>
> Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
> http://imagebin.org/231157
>
> please comment.
>
Here is the proper but with using Nimbus:
http://imagebin.org/231160
>
>
> >
> > Of the three, I'd go with Nimbus. I like the the Liberation set, but for
> > some
> > reason they decided that the uppercase O wasn't wide enough???
> Liberation
> > uses some of the design cues of Frutiger, noticeable on the bowls of the
> c
> > and
> > e. And I never liked the terminal on the bitstream f. it looks
> unfinished,
> >
> > like the designer couldn't figure out what to do with it.
> >
> > Those subtle variations could be fixed in inkscape of course and because
> > it's
> > an open font we could modify it without issue.
> >
> > Cheers
> > GL
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > that is owned by our No1 competitor. There are plenty of good Free
> >> > fonts
> >> > about: Bitstream Vera, DejaVu and Liberation are probably the most
> >> > mature familys and Luxi and Nimbus are good fonts as well and
> available
> >> > on most Distros.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > However there is actually no need to use a given font in any case, the
> >> > text
> >> >
> >> > can easily be created in Inkscape so that it is made up of letters
> that
> >> > are
> >> >
> >> > unique to the OpenOffice Logo. It is completely unnecessary to use a
> >> > prepackaged font.
> >> >
> >> > This is a very rough freehand demonstration of the concept knocked up
> >> > in
> >> > five
> >> > minutes using Inkscape
> >> >
> >> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:AOOLogoDemo.svg
> >> >
> >> > This is not a particular font family and so there are no licensing
> >> > issues.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> > GL
> >
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org>.
> ----- Original Message -----
> ...
>
> >> License?
> >
> > Not really sure how it apply here since is a derivative work but all 3
> > fonts are OFL
>
> OK, that's acceptable. but perhaps you should try Adobe's
> SourceSansPro?
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2012/08/source-sans-pro.html
>
> Just trying to be modern ;).
>
> Pedro.
Adobe Open Source Fonts!!! dang, I have been out of the font game too long and
missed this completely. That is just wickedly cool.
Well done Adobe
Cheers
GL
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> ...
> >>
> >> License?
> >>
> >>
> > Not really sure how it apply here since is a derivative work but all 3
> > fonts are OFL
> >
>
> OK, that's acceptable. but perhaps you should try Adobe's
> SourceSansPro?
>
> http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2012/08/source-sans-pro.html
>
> Just trying to be modern ;).
>
> Pedro.
>
Not a big fan of the joined F's
http://imagebin.org/231162
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
----- Original Message -----
...
>>
>> License?
>>
>>
> Not really sure how it apply here since is a derivative work but all 3
> fonts are OFL
>
OK, that's acceptable. but perhaps you should try Adobe's
SourceSansPro?
http://blogs.adobe.com/typblography/2012/08/source-sans-pro.html
Just trying to be modern ;).
Pedro.
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
> ...
> >
> >On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >...
> >>
> >> With all of the Bitstream fonts (DejaVu, and Liberation are just
> variations
> >> on
> >> the original Bitstream) compressing the font results in the character
> >> looking
> >> top heavy with a fat butt because the arcs are now wider than the
> >> stresses.
> >
> >Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
> >http://imagebin.org/231157
> >
> >please comment.
> >
>
> License?
>
>
Not really sure how it apply here since is a derivative work but all 3
fonts are OFL
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
>________________________________
> From: Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>
...
>
>On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>...
>>
>> With all of the Bitstream fonts (DejaVu, and Liberation are just variations
>> on
>> the original Bitstream) compressing the font results in the character
>> looking
>> top heavy with a fat butt because the arcs are now wider than the
>> stresses.
>
>Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
>http://imagebin.org/231157
>
>please comment.
>
License?
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> >> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some
>> >> > cleanup
>> >> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>> >> > The attachment is on the cWiki:
>> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/Apac
>> >> > heO penOfficeTM.svg &
>> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?p
>> >> > age Id=27834483&sortBy=date&
>> >>
>> >> The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we have.
>> >>
>> >> The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
>> >> rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems to
>> >> be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2783448
>> >> 3 with your version.
>> >
>> > You're right, that vector needs a little titivating
>> >
>> >> Font was discussed in this thread
>> >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
>> >> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
>> >> comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so
>> >> it
>> >> might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
>> >
>> > That's not difficult, all fonts are vectors in any case and fontforge
>> > will export svg.
>> >
>> > I would definitely raise a -1 to using any proprietary fonts,
>> > especially
>> > one
>>
>> Here is a comparison between Bitstream, Nimbus and Liberation.
>>
>> http://imagebin.org/231102
>>
>> Bitstream also was modified by reducing the width by 15%.
>
> That's right I remember doing that way back, the problem with that was/is
> that
> it made the font loo heavy in the wrong places. The most noticeable was in
>
> the O In the bitstream family, the arc and the stress in the O are the same
>
> width from top to bottom whereas in for instance Frutiger, the original OOo
>
> font, the widths of the arc (the top and bottom of the bowl) were half the
> width of the stress (the sides). This had the effect that when the font was
>
> compressed, the arc remained lighter than the stress, or at least until you
>
> got to 50%.
>
> With all of the Bitstream fonts (DejaVu, and Liberation are just variations
> on
> the original Bitstream) compressing the font results in the character
> looking
> top heavy with a fat butt because the arcs are now wider than the
> stresses.
Here is the Liberation font with some Condensed Bitstream on the Os.
http://imagebin.org/231157
please comment.
>
> Of the three, I'd go with Nimbus. I like the the Liberation set, but for
> some
> reason they decided that the uppercase O wasn't wide enough??? Liberation
> uses some of the design cues of Frutiger, noticeable on the bowls of the c
> and
> e. And I never liked the terminal on the bitstream f. it looks unfinished,
>
> like the designer couldn't figure out what to do with it.
>
> Those subtle variations could be fixed in inkscape of course and because
> it's
> an open font we could modify it without issue.
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
>
>
>>
>> > that is owned by our No1 competitor. There are plenty of good Free
>> > fonts
>> > about: Bitstream Vera, DejaVu and Liberation are probably the most
>> > mature familys and Luxi and Nimbus are good fonts as well and available
>> > on most Distros.
>> >
>> >
>> > However there is actually no need to use a given font in any case, the
>> > text
>> >
>> > can easily be created in Inkscape so that it is made up of letters that
>> > are
>> >
>> > unique to the OpenOffice Logo. It is completely unnecessary to use a
>> > prepackaged font.
>> >
>> > This is a very rough freehand demonstration of the concept knocked up
>> > in
>> > five
>> > minutes using Inkscape
>> >
>> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:AOOLogoDemo.svg
>> >
>> > This is not a particular font family and so there are no licensing
>> > issues.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > GL
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org>.
> On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> >> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
> >> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> >> > The attachment is on the cWiki:
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/Apac
> >> > heO penOfficeTM.svg &
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?p
> >> > age Id=27834483&sortBy=date&
> >>
> >> The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we have.
> >>
> >> The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
> >> rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems to
> >> be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=2783448
> >> 3 with your version.
> >
> > You're right, that vector needs a little titivating
> >
> >> Font was discussed in this thread
> >> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
> >> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
> >> comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so it
> >> might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
> >
> > That's not difficult, all fonts are vectors in any case and fontforge
> > will export svg.
> >
> > I would definitely raise a -1 to using any proprietary fonts, especially
> > one
>
> Here is a comparison between Bitstream, Nimbus and Liberation.
>
> http://imagebin.org/231102
>
> Bitstream also was modified by reducing the width by 15%.
That's right I remember doing that way back, the problem with that was/is that
it made the font loo heavy in the wrong places. The most noticeable was in
the O In the bitstream family, the arc and the stress in the O are the same
width from top to bottom whereas in for instance Frutiger, the original OOo
font, the widths of the arc (the top and bottom of the bowl) were half the
width of the stress (the sides). This had the effect that when the font was
compressed, the arc remained lighter than the stress, or at least until you
got to 50%.
With all of the Bitstream fonts (DejaVu, and Liberation are just variations on
the original Bitstream) compressing the font results in the character looking
top heavy with a fat butt because the arcs are now wider than the stresses.
Of the three, I'd go with Nimbus. I like the the Liberation set, but for some
reason they decided that the uppercase O wasn't wide enough??? Liberation
uses some of the design cues of Frutiger, noticeable on the bowls of the c and
e. And I never liked the terminal on the bitstream f. it looks unfinished,
like the designer couldn't figure out what to do with it.
Those subtle variations could be fixed in inkscape of course and because it's
an open font we could modify it without issue.
Cheers
GL
>
> > that is owned by our No1 competitor. There are plenty of good Free fonts
> > about: Bitstream Vera, DejaVu and Liberation are probably the most
> > mature familys and Luxi and Nimbus are good fonts as well and available
> > on most Distros.
> >
> >
> > However there is actually no need to use a given font in any case, the
> > text
> >
> > can easily be created in Inkscape so that it is made up of letters that
> > are
> >
> > unique to the OpenOffice Logo. It is completely unnecessary to use a
> > prepackaged font.
> >
> > This is a very rough freehand demonstration of the concept knocked up in
> > five
> > minutes using Inkscape
> >
> > http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:AOOLogoDemo.svg
> >
> > This is not a particular font family and so there are no licensing
> > issues.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > GL
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/6/12, Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
>> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
>> > The attachment is on the cWiki:
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheO
>> > penOfficeTM.svg &
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?page
>> > Id=27834483&sortBy=date&
>>
>> The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we have.
>>
>> The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
>> rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems to
>> be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=27834483
>> with your version.
>
> You're right, that vector needs a little titivating
>
>>
>> Font was discussed in this thread
>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
>> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
>> comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so it
>> might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
>
> That's not difficult, all fonts are vectors in any case and fontforge will
> export svg.
>
> I would definitely raise a -1 to using any proprietary fonts, especially one
Here is a comparison between Bitstream, Nimbus and Liberation.
http://imagebin.org/231102
Bitstream also was modified by reducing the width by 15%.
>
> that is owned by our No1 competitor. There are plenty of good Free fonts
> about: Bitstream Vera, DejaVu and Liberation are probably the most mature
> familys and Luxi and Nimbus are good fonts as well and available on most
> Distros.
>
>
> However there is actually no need to use a given font in any case, the text
>
> can easily be created in Inkscape so that it is made up of letters that are
>
> unique to the OpenOffice Logo. It is completely unnecessary to use a
> prepackaged font.
>
> This is a very rough freehand demonstration of the concept knocked up in
> five
> minutes using Inkscape
>
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:AOOLogoDemo.svg
>
> This is not a particular font family and so there are no licensing issues.
>
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Graham Lauder <yo...@apache.org>.
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> > I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
> > on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> > The attachment is on the cWiki:
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheO
> > penOfficeTM.svg &
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?page
> > Id=27834483&sortBy=date&
>
> The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we have.
>
> The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
> rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems to
> be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=27834483
> with your version.
You're right, that vector needs a little titivating
>
> Font was discussed in this thread
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
> and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
> comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so it
> might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
That's not difficult, all fonts are vectors in any case and fontforge will
export svg.
I would definitely raise a -1 to using any proprietary fonts, especially one
that is owned by our No1 competitor. There are plenty of good Free fonts
about: Bitstream Vera, DejaVu and Liberation are probably the most mature
familys and Luxi and Nimbus are good fonts as well and available on most
Distros.
However there is actually no need to use a given font in any case, the text
can easily be created in Inkscape so that it is made up of letters that are
unique to the OpenOffice Logo. It is completely unnecessary to use a
prepackaged font.
This is a very rough freehand demonstration of the concept knocked up in five
minutes using Inkscape
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/File:AOOLogoDemo.svg
This is not a particular font family and so there are no licensing issues.
Cheers
GL
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Alexandro Colorado wrote:
> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG, still needs some cleanup
> on the nodes, but this is a 100% SVG logo.
> The attachment is on the cWiki:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/27834483/ApacheOpenOfficeTM.svg
> &
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpageattachments.action?pageId=27834483&sortBy=date&
The orb is really nice here, a flawless vectorization of what we have.
The text appears a bit distorted, or maybe it's just my on-screen
rendering: for example, the "O" seems a bit wider and the "e" seems to
be cut on the right, at least comparing the last image at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=27834483
with your version.
Font was discussed in this thread
http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/11468
and it looks like the discussion settled on Verdana despite some
comments about it being non-free; anyway it is a very common font, so it
might be possible to get it perfectly rendered to SVG too.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
Feel free to use them, actually as I was seen Stella's portafolio,
there was some T-Shirt designs, wonder if they could inspire some some
new designs.
http://www.behance.net/gallery/OpenOfficeorg-Brand-Refresh/1280381
On 10/5/12, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG
>
> It has very beautiful every image, we need to make some shirts. (;
>
> Albino
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: OpenOffice SVG vector graphics
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi.
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> I upload the OpenOffice SVG logo on pure SVG
It has very beautiful every image, we need to make some shirts. (;
Albino